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Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:13 am

Thanks to the Airbus A350-1000 and Project Sunrise, Qantas is planning flights to Chicago and Miami from Melbourne and Sydney.

Exciting times.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/qantas-pla ... -to-miami/

Cheers.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:50 am

Chicago I’m not too surprised (BNE-ORD was planned before covid but never started) but Miami I wouldn’t have guessed. Does Melbourne really have the demand for Project Sunrise flights other than London or New York?
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:54 am

I will say it again, Miami will never happen or last very long. I love Miami and Florida, I visit at least 3 times a year from Europe. But Sydney to Miami will never stick in the coming decade. Nothing against Miami, but from a practical point of view, it is just too far stretched. Even JFK and ORD, I would put a big question mark on the long term viability of such route. The problem is not whether people will travel on the route or how many, the problem is to find 40+- people daily or 3-4 weekly purchase the business class fares with hefty non-stop premium (Qantas may charge USD$6,000-9,000 for a return) to make the route profitable.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:59 am

AustralianPilot wrote:
Thanks to the Airbus A350-1000 and Project Sunrise, Qantas is planning flights to Chicago and Miami from Melbourne and Sydney.

Exciting times.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/qantas-pla ... -to-miami/

Cheers.

ORD yes, MIA questionable and to be honest the timing of this steers all the negative publicity away… or an attempt to steer it away…


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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:01 am

chonetsao wrote:
I will say it again, Miami will never happen or last very long. I love Miami and Florida, I visit at least 3 times a year from Europe. But Sydney to Miami will never stick in the coming decade. Nothing against Miami, but from a practical point of view, it is just too far stretched. Even JFK and ORD, I would put a big question mark on the long term viability of such route. The problem is not whether people will travel on the route or how many, the problem is to find 40+- people daily or 3-4 weekly purchase the business class fares with hefty non-stop premium (Qantas may charge USD$6,000-9,000 for a return) to make the route profitable.


You beat me to it ... well said.

I don't think MEL-JFK will ever happen either.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:42 am

More about QF trying to deflect from their PR disasters back home.

Trying to create non stories
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:51 am

MIA is intersting and seems an unusual choice. Could QF be eyes the connection possibilities to/from AA at MIA to central and south america? Id there enough demand? Would SYD-MIA-GRU even be a sensible routing?

It seems odd, but QF do seem to know what they are doing as an airline.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:52 am

EK413 wrote:
ORD yes

Curious - what makes ORD viable?
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:35 am

planemanofnz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
ORD yes

Curious - what makes ORD viable?


Air New Zealand and ORD is an AA hub. Qantas is clearly moving away from everything to the USA goes through LAX, they are going to fly nonstop to JFK and hubs in each region. LAX will still be their largest gateway to Australia.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:45 am

planemanofnz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
ORD yes

Curious - what makes ORD viable?

Why wouldn’t it be viable QF were planning to commence ORD pre covid…
QF is dispersing their LAX traffic…


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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:06 am

This is more QF spin and media...

QF are only getting 12 A350-1000s. QF have already committed to the following:

5.5 will be used for daily SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR return.

2.5 will be used for daily SYD-JFK return.

2.5 will be used to replace the 789s on PER-LHR.

That leaves roughly 2 frames maximum (with no spares) to operate all these flights QF have mentioned to Frankfurt, Paris, Miami, Cape Town, Chicago, Sao Paulo, etc etc

Tell them they are dreaming!!!
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:23 am

vhebb wrote:
This is more QF spin and media...

QF are only getting 12 A350-1000s. QF have already committed to the following:

5.5 will be used for daily SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR return.

2.5 will be used for daily SYD-JFK return.

2.5 will be used to replace the 789s on PER-LHR.

That leaves roughly 2 frames maximum (with no spares) to operate all these flights QF have mentioned to Frankfurt, Paris, Miami, Cape Town, Chicago, Sao Paulo, etc etc

Tell them they are dreaming!!!


While I agree with you that it is all spin, QF will get more than 12 A350-1000s, what year they achieve that who knows but they will very likely replace the A380 fleet with them.

Who knows where they will end up, MIA does sound the most far fetched so far imo.

oceanvikram wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
I will say it again, Miami will never happen or last very long. I love Miami and Florida, I visit at least 3 times a year from Europe. But Sydney to Miami will never stick in the coming decade. Nothing against Miami, but from a practical point of view, it is just too far stretched. Even JFK and ORD, I would put a big question mark on the long term viability of such route. The problem is not whether people will travel on the route or how many, the problem is to find 40+- people daily or 3-4 weekly purchase the business class fares with hefty non-stop premium (Qantas may charge USD$6,000-9,000 for a return) to make the route profitable.


You beat me to it ... well said.

I don't think MEL-JFK will ever happen either.


I think it will, I struggle to see AKL-JFK continuing once SYD/MEL-JFK are up and running though.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:30 am

This is nothing more than Qantas putting out some positive media to detract from their various PR disasters. I think ORD will happen at some point (planned before Covid with a 789 from BNE) but MIA will not be happening with the first tranche of A350s. It’s at least five years away, probably longer, if it even happens. Honestly MIA doesn’t add much. The larger Caribbean and Central America markets are already served via DFW. The remainder generate very little demand to/from Australia.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:32 am

vhebb wrote:
This is more QF spin and media...

QF are only getting 12 A350-1000s. QF have already committed to the following:

5.5 will be used for daily SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR return.

2.5 will be used for daily SYD-JFK return.

2.5 will be used to replace the 789s on PER-LHR.

That leaves roughly 2 frames maximum (with no spares) to operate all these flights QF have mentioned to Frankfurt, Paris, Miami, Cape Town, Chicago, Sao Paulo, etc etc

Tell them they are dreaming!!!


Each of these routes will only require 2 aircraft for a daily service. Between 3x daily to LHR and 1x daily JFK they'll have 3-4 frames spare (including slack for maintenance).
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:37 am

BrianDromey wrote:
MIA is intersting and seems an unusual choice. Could QF be eyes the connection possibilities to/from AA at MIA to central and south america? Id there enough demand? Would SYD-MIA-GRU even be a sensible routing?


Going anywhere in South America via MIA makes zero sense. In the case of GRU, it adds 61% to the journey http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=syd-gru%2C ... =wls&DU=nm
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:43 am

More fanciful gibberish from Joyce. Why on earth would QF want to fly to MIA ? Surely it can't be for South or Latin America connections, as they would be better served through DFW or SCL. ORD maybe, QF have at least shown previous interest in operating there and the is more of a business connection through the commodities markets in Chicago.

It's all fanciful anyway, even if these flights were to materialise, they would be a minimum 10 years down the track and would require follow on orders for the 350's, or even a longer ranged 787 model. Just typical QF marketing spin to distract from poor media exposure in Australia.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:40 pm

I live in MIA and just don't see the demand in Florida. As noted connections from SA would add considerable time going through MIA.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:53 pm

I can actually see MIA. It offers more US connections than JFK and is a nice supplement to DFW. That said, I don't see it as a daily service.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:19 pm

MIA does seem rather odd. It overflies so many airports that Qantas serves and i wonder how much demand there really is. Seems like added frequencies to current stations would be better
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:37 pm

I don't understand why people think ORD is good but MIA isn't. What does ORD offer that JFK doesn't? What does Chicago have that New York doesn't? Miami is the business capital for all of Latin America. If you want to do business with a Brazilian/Colombian/Peruvian company you travel to Miami.
I'm not sure that either is viable but I don't see why ORD is better than MIA.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:43 pm

Cue the posters that start saying that MIA is the X most unserved nonstop destination from Oz, and that MIA-SYD is the Y most unserved nonstop intercontinental flight from the US.

FWIW, the link the OP posted is from a gimmicky Miami real estate website. The article the Miami site refers to (from The Times) has a generic paragraph that says "As well as London to and from Sydney and Melbourne direct, Qantas’s nonstop flights will soon link Sydney and Melbourne with New York, Paris, Frankfurt, Miami, Chicago, Cape Town and Sao Paulo."...nothing that appears to come directly from Joyce as the Miami site suggests.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:58 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
MIA is intersting and seems an unusual choice. Could QF be eyes the connection possibilities to/from AA at MIA to central and south america? Id there enough demand? Would SYD-MIA-GRU even be a sensible routing?

It seems odd, but QF do seem to know what they are doing as an airline.


Given that they're both in the southern hemisphere, SYD-MIA-GRU does not make as much sense as SYD-SCL-GRU or SYD-EZE-GRU.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:07 pm

MIA is a bit odd, not sure I see that one lasting. Sort of surprised that’s ahead of places like SEA/IAD/BOS
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:17 pm

EK770 wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
MIA is intersting and seems an unusual choice. Could QF be eyes the connection possibilities to/from AA at MIA to central and south america? Id there enough demand? Would SYD-MIA-GRU even be a sensible routing?


Going anywhere in South America via MIA makes zero sense. In the case of GRU, it adds 61% to the journey http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=syd-gru%2C ... =wls&DU=nm


For SA couldn't QF rely on its non-stop to DFW (and one day MIA) to connect to AA South America network? Since both are OW seems like a good option to putting our own carbon fibre (metal) on a thin route.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:29 pm

jfk777 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
ORD yes

Curious - what makes ORD viable?


Air New Zealand and ORD is an AA hub. Qantas is clearly moving away from everything to the USA goes through LAX, they are going to fly nonstop to JFK and hubs in each region. LAX will still be their largest gateway to Australia.


I don't see the logic in moving away from a LAX hub. Sure, JFK O&D will be great. ORD as a hub offers nothing meaningful over LAX and just draws out the ULH segment.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:47 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Curious - what makes ORD viable?


Air New Zealand and ORD is an AA hub. Qantas is clearly moving away from everything to the USA goes through LAX, they are going to fly nonstop to JFK and hubs in each region. LAX will still be their largest gateway to Australia.


I don't see the logic in moving away from a LAX hub. Sure, JFK O&D will be great. ORD as a hub offers nothing meaningful over LAX and just draws out the ULH segment.


ORD must offer more connections to more cities than does LAX. That has to be why.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:21 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
ORD yes

Curious - what makes ORD viable?


More business in Chicago than Miami and it is more centrally located to enable connections to more cities than MIA or JFK.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:33 pm

SYD-MIA will launch right around the time the long discussed MIA-South Africa service finally launches.

At what point does Australia/New Zealand-North America become too saturated? Assuming both MIA and ORD launch by 2025, you'd have:

America
DFW-AKL seasonal
LAX-SYD

Air Canada
YVR-AKL
YVR-BNE
YVR-SYD

Air New Zealand
AKL-SFO
AKL-LAX
AKL-IAH
AKL-ORD
AKL-JFK

United
SFO-AKL
SFO-SYD
SFO-BNE
SFO-MEL
LAX-SYD
LAX-MEL
IAH-SYD

Qantas
AKL-JFK
SYD-DFW
SYD-LAX
SYD-SFO
SYD-JFK
SYD-YVR
SYD-ORD*
SYD-MIA*
BNE-LAX
MEL-DFW
MEL-LAX

Delta
LAX-SYD
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:32 pm

Does MIA have the O/D for a 9700 mi long flight MEL-MIA? Seems cool but I don't know if it's too long and thin.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SYD-MIA/ORD,+MEL-MIA

MEL-MIA is comparable to even like ATL-BKK in distance! But it is a useless comparisson, as ATL-BKK will never happen, so I don't know if I have any substance
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ATL-TYO-BKK,+MEL-MIA
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:01 pm

You forgot AKL-YVR for Air New Zealand

quote="B752OS"]SYD-MIA will launch right around the time the long discussed MIA-South Africa service finally launches.

At what point does Australia/New Zealand-North America become too saturated? Assuming both MIA and ORD launch by 2025, you'd have:

America
DFW-AKL seasonal
LAX-SYD

Air Canada
YVR-AKL
YVR-BNE
YVR-SYD

Air New Zealand
AKL-SFO
AKL-LAX
AKL-IAH
AKL-ORD
AKL-JFK

United
SFO-AKL
SFO-SYD
SFO-BNE
SFO-MEL
LAX-SYD
LAX-MEL
IAH-SYD

Qantas
AKL-JFK
SYD-DFW
SYD-LAX
SYD-SFO
SYD-JFK
SYD-YVR
SYD-ORD*
SYD-MIA*
BNE-LAX
MEL-DFW
MEL-LAX

Delta
LAX-SYD[/quote]
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:38 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Curious - what makes ORD viable?


Air New Zealand and ORD is an AA hub. Qantas is clearly moving away from everything to the USA goes through LAX, they are going to fly nonstop to JFK and hubs in each region. LAX will still be their largest gateway to Australia.


I don't see the logic in moving away from a LAX hub. Sure, JFK O&D will be great. ORD as a hub offers nothing meaningful over LAX and just draws out the ULH segment.


Unless QF ends up partnering with B6, JFK will be predominantly O&D as AA has draw down JFK so much. ORD offers connections extensively throughout the Mid West and North East, and offers much more as the connection hub from Australia to the North East than LAX or even DFW does.

Qantas were supposed to launch BNE-ORD in March 2020. Obviously never happened, but shows they see something in serving ORD and were prepared to get a jump by starting the route from BNE with a 789 instead of waiting for their longer range A350s. ORD probably won’t start now before the A350s arrive, but it seems like a fairly safe bet.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:03 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:

Air New Zealand and ORD is an AA hub. Qantas is clearly moving away from everything to the USA goes through LAX, they are going to fly nonstop to JFK and hubs in each region. LAX will still be their largest gateway to Australia.


I don't see the logic in moving away from a LAX hub. Sure, JFK O&D will be great. ORD as a hub offers nothing meaningful over LAX and just draws out the ULH segment.


Unless QF ends up partnering with B6, JFK will be predominantly O&D as AA has draw down JFK so much. ORD offers connections extensively throughout the Mid West and North East, and offers much more as the connection hub from Australia to the North East than LAX or even DFW does.

Qantas were supposed to launch BNE-ORD in March 2020. Obviously never happened, but shows they see something in serving ORD and were prepared to get a jump by starting the route from BNE with a 789 instead of waiting for their longer range A350s. ORD probably won’t start now before the A350s arrive, but it seems like a fairly safe bet.



This is actually a pretty good idea. Especially as a sort of second option. As post merger B6 develops more coverage, this offers an opportunity for QF to partner with a brand that can still get OZ-US traffic to where it needs to without the cold shower experience of suddenly finding oneself on an AA flight after a ULH with QF. Particularly for premium class travelers.

I would not say to do this at the expense of any codesharing with AA —there will still be regional itineraries that B6 simply cannot get to; esp EX MIA— but I think it presents a very healthy alterative to customers on both ends.
 
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Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:07 pm

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I don't see the logic in moving away from a LAX hub. Sure, JFK O&D will be great. ORD as a hub offers nothing meaningful over LAX and just draws out the ULH segment.


Unless QF ends up partnering with B6, JFK will be predominantly O&D as AA has draw down JFK so much. ORD offers connections extensively throughout the Mid West and North East, and offers much more as the connection hub from Australia to the North East than LAX or even DFW does.

Qantas were supposed to launch BNE-ORD in March 2020. Obviously never happened, but shows they see something in serving ORD and were prepared to get a jump by starting the route from BNE with a 789 instead of waiting for their longer range A350s. ORD probably won’t start now before the A350s arrive, but it seems like a fairly safe bet.



This is actually a pretty good idea. Especially as a sort of second option. As post merger B6 develops more coverage, this offers an opportunity for QF to partner with a brand that can still get OZ-US traffic to where it needs to without the cold shower experience of suddenly finding oneself on an AA flight after a ULH with QF. Particularly for premium class travelers.

I would not say to do this at the expense of any codesharing with AA —there will still be regional itineraries that B6 simply cannot get to; esp EX MIA— but I think it presents a very healthy alterative to customers on both ends.

QF has a JV with AA. Putting their connecting passengers on AA will always take priority over any other US airline they (are unlikely to) codeshare with.
 
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Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:14 pm

Polot wrote:
QF has a JV with AA. Putting their connecting passengers on AA will always take priority over any other US airline they (are unlikely to) codeshare with.



Which can change or be modified easier than a.net like to imagine, as long as DOT buys off on it. If AA & B6 are able to keep the NEA post merger, this becomes a lot more realistic an option, as AA are looking to place capacity EX JFK with B6 anyway. If it becomes an everybody wins scenario, the resistance to this will not be meaningful.

I would not speculate on how long such a thing might take to eventuate, however.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:23 pm

AustralianPilot wrote:
Thanks to the Airbus A350-1000 and Project Sunrise, Qantas is planning flights to Chicago and Miami from Melbourne and Sydney.

Exciting times.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/qantas-pla ... -to-miami/

Cheers.


I don’t think this has been stated, and I’m a bit dubious of the way that media publication has written that article.

They wrote this:

Alan Joyce, the CEO of the airline, revealed plans for Miami service in an interview with The Sunday Times, along with several other route announcements.

Ok so let’s check the link to that “interview” with the Sunday Times:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sydn ... -kcvkwkxrg

As well as London to and from Sydney and Melbourne direct, Qantas’s nonstop flights will soon link Sydney and Melbourne with New York, Paris, Frankfurt, Miami, Chicago, Cape Town and Sao Paulo. The existing ultra-long-haul nonstop services — London to Perth and the new Rome to Perth route that launched in July — will continue, as will Dallas to Sydney.

So no direct quote from AJ on those new routes beyond NYC and LON.

And just the way that paragraph is written doesn’t give me confidence it was a quote from AJ or the repetition of a QF plan. It just seems to be author speculating a wish list or rumoured long haul destinations.

The 789 would probably do FCO, CDG and FRA from PER. QF’s favoured destination in South Africa is JNB not CPT, and SCL or EZE get chosen over GRU for South America. Again leading me to believe that the author just randomly picked destinations the A351 would have the range to do, rather than ones QF have confirmed they are actively investigating.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:57 pm

You guys have got to start listening to the Aussies - this:

RyanairGuru wrote:
This is nothing more than Qantas putting out some positive media to detract from their various PR disasters. I think ORD will happen at some point (planned before Covid with a 789 from BNE) but MIA will not be happening with the first tranche of A350s. It’s at least five years away, probably longer, if it even happens. Honestly MIA doesn’t add much. The larger Caribbean and Central America markets are already served via DFW. The remainder generate very little demand to/from Australia.


I work in the industry and were placing bets what positive spin QF would put out after the 4-corners program. We should have opened a thread dedicated to predicting what potential routes or products QF would be reviewed, to be potentially considered, with all options open, once the environment is right….

Their reputation must be tanking - not only did they try hype up MIA and ORD- but a new W seat…

I agree ORD will come, maybe not sunrise but from BNE. MIA is a nonstarter - just QF click bait.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:31 am

OZ-ORD would be doable because A) Chicago is the 3rd biggest country in the US and B) would allow one-stoo Oneworld service from Sydney to secondary Canada as well as the US Midwest.

For QF Florida service in addition to SYD -MIA, I'd expect MEL-MLB is high on their planning list.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:07 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I don't see the logic in moving away from a LAX hub. Sure, JFK O&D will be great. ORD as a hub offers nothing meaningful over LAX and just draws out the ULH segment.


Unless QF ends up partnering with B6, JFK will be predominantly O&D as AA has draw down JFK so much. ORD offers connections extensively throughout the Mid West and North East, and offers much more as the connection hub from Australia to the North East than LAX or even DFW does.

Qantas were supposed to launch BNE-ORD in March 2020. Obviously never happened, but shows they see something in serving ORD and were prepared to get a jump by starting the route from BNE with a 789 instead of waiting for their longer range A350s. ORD probably won’t start now before the A350s arrive, but it seems like a fairly safe bet.



This is actually a pretty good idea. Especially as a sort of second option. As post merger B6 develops more coverage, this offers an opportunity for QF to partner with a brand that can still get OZ-US traffic to where it needs to without the cold shower experience of suddenly finding oneself on an AA flight after a ULH with QF. Particularly for premium class travelers.

I would not say to do this at the expense of any codesharing with AA —there will still be regional itineraries that B6 simply cannot get to; esp EX MIA— but I think it presents a very healthy alterative to customers on both ends.


I mentioned B6 only in the context of the NEA. If QF need feed over JFK, and the NEA survives, then a hypothetical QF-AA-B6 partnership isn’t completely inconceivable. Nonetheless, I think the chance is very low, especially if ORD does eventuate. QF are looking at DFW and ORD for connections, and JFK for premium O&D.

I don’t understand what you mean about a “cold shower” on AA after a ULH premium cabin flight. AA is not amazing, but connecting from a long haul flight to the domestic first cabin is clearly preferable to an all-core B6 experience. B6 only really offers more than AA for premium travellers on transcon flights, but JFK/DFW/ORD is all about QF carrying passengers further across the USA, as opposed to connecting onto transcons through LAX. Mint offers very little to QF.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:14 am

Text book QF spin - "look over here, bright shiny object" - trying to detract media attention from their issues at home

ORD will happen one day and was previously announced from BNE pre pandemic but MIA - I think that is a (very) long shot
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:01 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
I think it will, I struggle to see AKL-JFK continuing once SYD/MEL-JFK are up and running though.


I agree AKL-JFK will cease once SYD-JFK commences. What I am saying is that MEL-JFK will not happen, Qantas is very much Sydney centric and MEL even though a very wealthy city in global terms, I have very little confidence other than for MEL-LHR, MEL-LAX and MEL-DFW for UULH.

sierrakilo44 wrote:
AustralianPilot wrote:
Thanks to the Airbus A350-1000 and Project Sunrise, Qantas is planning flights to Chicago and Miami from Melbourne and Sydney.

Exciting times.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/qantas-pla ... -to-miami/

Cheers.


I don’t think this has been stated, and I’m a bit dubious of the way that media publication has written that article.

They wrote this:

Alan Joyce, the CEO of the airline, revealed plans for Miami service in an interview with The Sunday Times, along with several other route announcements.

Ok so let’s check the link to that “interview” with the Sunday Times:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sydn ... -kcvkwkxrg

As well as London to and from Sydney and Melbourne direct, Qantas’s nonstop flights will soon link Sydney and Melbourne with New York, Paris, Frankfurt, Miami, Chicago, Cape Town and Sao Paulo. The existing ultra-long-haul nonstop services — London to Perth and the new Rome to Perth route that launched in July — will continue, as will Dallas to Sydney.

So no direct quote from AJ on those new routes beyond NYC and LON.

And just the way that paragraph is written doesn’t give me confidence it was a quote from AJ or the repetition of a QF plan. It just seems to be author speculating a wish list or rumoured long haul destinations.

The 789 would probably do FCO, CDG and FRA from PER. QF’s favoured destination in South Africa is JNB not CPT, and SCL or EZE get chosen over GRU for South America. Again leading me to believe that the author just randomly picked destinations the A351 would have the range to do, rather than ones QF have confirmed they are actively investigating.


I agree the article is very much a wish list, based on the current 787-9 deliveries as well as the 12 x A350-1000 orders.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:47 am

TWA772LR wrote:
OZ-ORD would be doable because A) Chicago is the 3rd biggest country in the US


Right after NYC, LA, DFW, & DCA...
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:50 am

QF also planned an ORD service back in 2000. Schedules were set with a tag on from LAX with a 744 but never materialized because of SARS.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:43 am

chonetsao wrote:
I will say it again, Miami will never happen or last very long. I love Miami and Florida, I visit at least 3 times a year from Europe. But Sydney to Miami will never stick in the coming decade. Nothing against Miami, but from a practical point of view, it is just too far stretched. Even JFK and ORD, I would put a big question mark on the long term viability of such route. The problem is not whether people will travel on the route or how many, the problem is to find 40+- people daily or 3-4 weekly purchase the business class fares with hefty non-stop premium (Qantas may charge USD$6,000-9,000 for a return) to make the route profitable.


As my parents live in Naples, on the other side of the state but an easy drive over, a SYD-MIA flight would be nice.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:47 am

airbazar wrote:
I don't understand why people think ORD is good but MIA isn't. What does ORD offer that JFK doesn't? What does Chicago have that New York doesn't? Miami is the business capital for all of Latin America. If you want to do business with a Brazilian/Colombian/Peruvian company you travel to Miami.
I'm not sure that either is viable but I don't see why ORD is better than MIA.


Former Chicago area resident now in Sydney. What Chicago has that New York doesn't have is: better hot dogs and pizza.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:21 am

As others have said, I can't see MIA flights working, not a lot of business demand, there would be some demand for the Cruise market, but can't see sufficient demand for direct flights from SYD or MEL. Mexico/Central America destinations would be best served by connections from the DFW flights.

There would be plenty of demand from both MEL & SYD for ORD, and from MEL it would be an easy connection to DTW (Ford still retains a significant R&D presence in Melbourne. Melbourne is responsible for R&D of the Ranger among other models).
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:19 pm

vhebb wrote:
This is more QF spin and media...

QF are only getting 12 A350-1000s. QF have already committed to the following:

5.5 will be used for daily SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR return.

2.5 will be used for daily SYD-JFK return.

2.5 will be used to replace the 789s on PER-LHR.

That leaves roughly 2 frames maximum (with no spares) to operate all these flights QF have mentioned to Frankfurt, Paris, Miami, Cape Town, Chicago, Sao Paulo, etc etc

Tell them they are dreaming!!!


Couldn't they do 2x weekly or something to share aircraft amongst multiple destinations?
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:00 pm

planecane wrote:
vhebb wrote:
This is more QF spin and media...

QF are only getting 12 A350-1000s. QF have already committed to the following:

5.5 will be used for daily SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR return.

2.5 will be used for daily SYD-JFK return.

2.5 will be used to replace the 789s on PER-LHR.

That leaves roughly 2 frames maximum (with no spares) to operate all these flights QF have mentioned to Frankfurt, Paris, Miami, Cape Town, Chicago, Sao Paulo, etc etc

Tell them they are dreaming!!!


Couldn't they do 2x weekly or something to share aircraft amongst multiple destinations?


While there maybe destinations that start less than daily, 3x weekly would likely be the lowest, but it won’t be done so they can share aircraft among multiple destinations. The higher the frequency the more business demand you will get as these flights are targeted to those wanting to fly non stop and will charge a premium.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:53 pm

Responding to the above, would PER-LHR even be flown once QF has the capability to go nonstop from Eastern Australia? From what I thought the only reason it was currently operating is because the 787 can't physically fly MEL/SYD-LHR. Perth per my googling has about the half the population of both Sydney and Melbourne and I figure most of the traffic on the current PER-LHR is connecting traffic from the eastern coast of Australia. PER is already well connected by one stop options through SE Asia and the Middle East, as are MEL/SYD but they have many more passengers to compete for.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:09 pm

It continues to astound me that people on this forum believe the Chicago metro is some backwater dead region. Chicago remains one of the world's leading financial, commodity, and business hubs. ORD as a major global hub could support MEL/SYD.
 
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Re: Qantas Plans Miami and Chicago

Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:59 pm

bam111998 wrote:
Responding to the above, would PER-LHR even be flown once QF has the capability to go nonstop from Eastern Australia? From what I thought the only reason it was currently operating is because the 787 can't physically fly MEL/SYD-LHR. Perth per my googling has about the half the population of both Sydney and Melbourne and I figure most of the traffic on the current PER-LHR is connecting traffic from the eastern coast of Australia. PER is already well connected by one stop options through SE Asia and the Middle East, as are MEL/SYD but they have many more passengers to compete for.



QF have said it will continue PER-LHR and upgauge it to an A350 giving it more premium seats. QF have said 75% of traffic on the route originates in PER. PER being well connected by multiple 1 stop options is the exact reason for the non stop which more people want, particularly on the front cabins where people will pay more to fly non stop.

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