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Newark Liberty International Airport is being transformed for the 21st century. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates Newark Liberty, as well as LaGuardia and JFK airports, has made the largest investment in the agency’s history in New Jersey. The result is a stunning, 1 million-square-foot, $2.7 billion new Terminal A connected to a new public parking/car rental facility, and the development of a plan to construct a new AirTrain Newark to replace the outdated existing AirTrain.
And this is just the beginning.
A new world-class Terminal B will be designed and built, as the “Visioning Plan” for future development of Newark Liberty is developed in partnership with Arup, one of the world’s top aviation planning and design firms, and leading architecture firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. Future work at Newark Liberty will expand economic opportunities for the cities of Newark and Elizabeth, and for the State of New Jersey, with a continued emphasis to showcase Jersey-based businesses and restaurants inside the new terminals
Trk1 wrote:Enough with the pictures---simply tell us when it will open!!!!!
B6SpiritofEWR wrote:ironfan wrote:I was in the Admirals Club last week and they told me November 29th for AA flights from the new terminal but the new Admirals Club won't open until March 2023.
How did it look?
VC10er wrote:Will EWR be getting the new United Club Fly grab-n-go club in the new Terminal A? How about TC?
I ask because it’s a club concept that I would most certainly use!
STT757 wrote:ty97 wrote:STT757 wrote:
It's 23 destinations for United at the new Terminal A, all mainline domestic. Destinations are;
Atlanta
Austin
Dallas-Fort Worth
Miami
Nashville
Orlando
Phoenix
Raleigh-Durham
San Diego
Seattle-Tacoma
Tampa
West Palm Beach
Las Vegas
Seattle
Charlotte
Fort Myers
Boston
Detroit
New Orleans
Fort Laudy
Detroit
Portland
Charleston
United runs a mixture of mainline and express between some of those cities. Will the express flights for those cities use C? Or will they use A?
Regardless, UA is gonna need more shuttle buses it seems.
If you look at the schedules, they go all mainline. For example, using March 24, 2023:
Atlanta 5 73G, 3 A320
Austin 4 A320, 1 A319
DFW 6 A320
MIA 3 A320, 5 738
BNA 4 A319, 1 738
MCO 6 739, 6 738
PHX 4 738
RDU 7 A319
SAN 4 738
SEA 4 737MAX 8
CLT 6 A319
TPA 5 A320, 4 738
PBI 7 738, 1 A320
LAS 7 738
RSW 3 A320, 1 A319, 2 738
BOS 2 A319, 9 73G
DTW 6 A319
MSY 4 A320, 1 A319
FLL 9 738
PDX 1 73G, 1 738
CHS 4 A319, 1 73G
avi8 wrote:Does anyone know what will be built in the space that the old terminal A occupies?
AmericanAir88 wrote:STT757 wrote:ty97 wrote:
United runs a mixture of mainline and express between some of those cities. Will the express flights for those cities use C? Or will they use A?
Regardless, UA is gonna need more shuttle buses it seems.
If you look at the schedules, they go all mainline. For example, using March 24, 2023:
Atlanta 5 73G, 3 A320
Austin 4 A320, 1 A319
DFW 6 A320
MIA 3 A320, 5 738
BNA 4 A319, 1 738
MCO 6 739, 6 738
PHX 4 738
RDU 7 A319
SAN 4 738
SEA 4 737MAX 8
CLT 6 A319
TPA 5 A320, 4 738
PBI 7 738, 1 A320
LAS 7 738
RSW 3 A320, 1 A319, 2 738
BOS 2 A319, 9 73G
DTW 6 A319
MSY 4 A320, 1 A319
FLL 9 738
PDX 1 73G, 1 738
CHS 4 A319, 1 73G
What is the rationale behind these routes? I see a trend that its all narrow body and O/D, but why are these specifically cherrypicked. Surprised about LAS, PDX, SAN, PHX, and SEA.
codc10 wrote:avi8 wrote:Does anyone know what will be built in the space that the old terminal A occupies?
The existing concourses will be torn down for ramp space, and the headhouse will eventually be demolished for the Terminal B replacement.
UALifer wrote:-
Delta- 4
American- 4
phatfarmlines wrote:UALifer wrote:-
Delta- 4
American- 4
That feels like a low number of gates for both.....
N649DL wrote:Well it does look nice! I'll give it that...phatfarmlines wrote:UALifer wrote:-
Delta- 4
American- 4
That feels like a low number of gates for both.....
That can't be right for either. AA uses like 7 and DL at least 5 probably more.
UA putting certain mainline flights in the terminal will cause a headache & especially with no Monorail up and running. That signage is going to a nightmare, sort of back when CO used to do this out of A. I also think from an infrastructure perspective to get a new Monorail going and they should keep part of the old Terminal A as a platform around for testing.
N649DL wrote:Well it does look nice! I'll give it that...phatfarmlines wrote:UALifer wrote:-
Delta- 4
American- 4
That feels like a low number of gates for both.....
That can't be right for either. AA uses like 7 and DL at least 5 probably more.
UA putting certain mainline flights in the terminal will cause a headache & especially with no Monorail up and running. That signage is going to a nightmare, sort of back when CO used to do this out of A. I also think from an infrastructure perspective to get a new Monorail going and they should keep part of the old Terminal A as a platform around for testing.
UALifer wrote:N649DL wrote:Well it does look nice! I'll give it that...phatfarmlines wrote:
That feels like a low number of gates for both.....
That can't be right for either. AA uses like 7 and DL at least 5 probably more.
UA putting certain mainline flights in the terminal will cause a headache & especially with no Monorail up and running. That signage is going to a nightmare, sort of back when CO used to do this out of A. I also think from an infrastructure perspective to get a new Monorail going and they should keep part of the old Terminal A as a platform around for testing.
Delta is only running about 22 flights per day in January. They probably want more for their early AM startup but it’s hard to justify a 5th gate if you’re barely running over 5 flights per gate in a constrained airport like EWR. Even in summer 2023, which is probably still an inflated schedule at this point, they only have 27 flights scheduled.
American is similar with 23 flights in January and 28 in July.
B6SpiritofEWR wrote:UALifer wrote:N649DL wrote:Well it does look nice! I'll give it that...
That can't be right for either. AA uses like 7 and DL at least 5 probably more.
UA putting certain mainline flights in the terminal will cause a headache & especially with no Monorail up and running. That signage is going to a nightmare, sort of back when CO used to do this out of A. I also think from an infrastructure perspective to get a new Monorail going and they should keep part of the old Terminal A as a platform around for testing.
Delta is only running about 22 flights per day in January. They probably want more for their early AM startup but it’s hard to justify a 5th gate if you’re barely running over 5 flights per gate in a constrained airport like EWR. Even in summer 2023, which is probably still an inflated schedule at this point, they only have 27 flights scheduled.
American is similar with 23 flights in January and 28 in July.
DL has 28 flights in January… where did you get your numbers from?
Same thing for AA, I’m seeing 26.
flyaa757 wrote:I’m sitting in the SkyClub at EWR right now… agent told me they aren’t moving until May!
flyaa757 wrote:I’m sitting in the SkyClub at EWR right now… agent told me they aren’t moving until May!
atlflyer wrote:From an article written by PANYNJ chairman Kevin O’Toole:
And this is just the beginning.
A new world-class Terminal B will be designed and built, as the “Visioning Plan” for future development of Newark Liberty is developed in partnership with Arup, one of the world’s top aviation planning and design firms, and leading architecture firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. Future work at Newark Liberty will expand economic opportunities for the cities of Newark and Elizabeth, and for the State of New Jersey, with a continued emphasis to showcase Jersey-based businesses and restaurants inside the new terminals.
https://newjerseyglobe.com/the-otoole-c ... he-future/
atlflyer wrote:From an article written by PANYNJ chairman Kevin O’Toole:
And this is just the beginning.
A new world-class Terminal B will be designed and built, as the “Visioning Plan” for future development of Newark Liberty is developed in partnership with Arup, one of the world’s top aviation planning and design firms, and leading architecture firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. Future work at Newark Liberty will expand economic opportunities for the cities of Newark and Elizabeth, and for the State of New Jersey, with a continued emphasis to showcase Jersey-based businesses and restaurants inside the new terminals.
https://newjerseyglobe.com/the-otoole-c ... he-future/
tmu101 wrote:So I'm guessing arrivals into the new terminal for United could really be from any city as long as those aircraft are being used for flights to one of the 23 select destinations? Unless there are dedicated aircraft for those cities it seems like it would be an inefficient operation otherwise. I'm curious how the operations will pan out.
continental180 wrote:I'd really love for United to join the bandwagon here & commit to exploring a replacement for Terminal C at some point; similar to what Delta did in LGA. Realizing this is a long ways a way since who knows when a terminal B replacement will occur.
N649DL wrote:atlflyer wrote:From an article written by PANYNJ chairman Kevin O’Toole:
And this is just the beginning.
A new world-class Terminal B will be designed and built, as the “Visioning Plan” for future development of Newark Liberty is developed in partnership with Arup, one of the world’s top aviation planning and design firms, and leading architecture firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. Future work at Newark Liberty will expand economic opportunities for the cities of Newark and Elizabeth, and for the State of New Jersey, with a continued emphasis to showcase Jersey-based businesses and restaurants inside the new terminals.
https://newjerseyglobe.com/the-otoole-c ... he-future/
Very optimistic of the author. They still have a lot of work to do, and that still has *ZERO* to do with optimizing the runways which they desperately need.
VC10er wrote:I assume that there is a new monorail connecting all 3 terminals and beyond is coming however? Am I remembering correctly? I assume it will be a wider car!
I cannot recall the “easier” mass transit connections from Manhattan. Will there be connections from both the Moynihan Terminal and the WTC transit hub (the Oculus too?)
How about the ever growing Jersey City side gaining access to the monorail?
The pictures are beautiful! Certainly NOT the Newark Airport I remember from the 1970’s and picking up family members from Laker flights. I was a young teenager but I remember back then the airport felt dark and kinda sad, despite being relatively new.
MaRoFu wrote:I’m just praying it opens on or before January 5 so that I can check it out when I travel to Atlanta on United…
tmu101 wrote:(wasn't the new opening date January 5 or something like that?
MaRoFu wrote:tmu101 wrote:(wasn't the new opening date January 5 or something like that?
Nope. My boarding pass says my flight is departing from Terminal C. I have another trip to HND this May but I’ll only be able to check out the non-sterile area of A, assuming the terminal is even open by then.
MaRoFu wrote:tmu101 wrote:(wasn't the new opening date January 5 or something like that?
Nope. My boarding pass says my flight is departing from Terminal C. I have another trip to HND this May but I’ll only be able to check out the non-sterile area of A, assuming the terminal is even open by then.