Get a look at the flight profile of Teal71 which was one of the 53d Weather Reconnaissance Wing flights (C-130 variant) through Ian.

Amazing shifts in speed.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEA ... /KBIX/KBIX

Teal73 fared little better:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEA ... 0-84.28125

Daytona Beach closed until 5 October, RSW closed until 7 October.

Was DAB damaged?

travaz wrote:

While I am sure it cost the majors a good amount of money at least the major airports on the east coast of Florida were open. MIA and FLL seemed to operate somewhat normally. At least for AA this probably mitigated the loses some.

Has anyone seen a video of them routing around the hurricane? Or is it low enough that they don’t need to to that? (There is a great video of FX planes in MEM routing around a thunderstorm.. it’s like a decade plus old.)

CALTECH wrote:

Hurricane IAN 'expected to cause catastrophic storm surge, winds and flooding' as it nears Category 5 strength

Last UAL Flight MCO/ORD #2421 then we get to leave.
Aircraft are in hangars, except for a 737-200 Business Jet that has sat on the West Ramp for a year or so and 2 Flight Safety A-330s, with Malta Registrations that have been moved out on the ramp.
Also there was a Frontier Airbus out on the West Ramp but imagine that will fly out.
UPS was loading a MD-11, A300-600 and 2 757s this morning.
Pass over MCO...

I have the A330 as 9H-JFS and 9H-MLS.

Which is the B737-200?.

Iceburgh wrote:

aemoreira1981 wrote:

Now Ian is expected to make a second landfall in South Carolina. How many Dreamliners are at CHS that can’t be flown out?

Great point they should've had them shipped out a long time ago. Easily avoidable tradgedy.

Tropical Depression 9 was only identified as such on 9/23/22, only a week ago (today is 9/30/22); it became Hurricane Ian on 9/24/22.
Finishing and flight testing aircraft in less than a week would be quite a feat... So, no, not "easily avoidable".

And, as of 9/30/22, Ian is supposed to make landfall East of Charleston, SC as a Category 1 with max winds of 85 MPH; so, CHS should be on the "safer" side of the Hurricane. There are risks of damage, but "tragedy" is a little dramatic.

WayexTDI wrote:

Iceburgh wrote:

aemoreira1981 wrote:

Now Ian is expected to make a second landfall in South Carolina. How many Dreamliners are at CHS that can’t be flown out?

Great point they should've had them shipped out a long time ago. Easily avoidable tradgedy.

Tropical Depression 9 was only identified as such on 9/23/22, only a week ago (today is 9/30/22); it became Hurricane Ian on 9/24/22.
Finishing and flight testing aircraft in less than a week would be quite a feat... So, no, not "easily avoidable".

I guess easily avoidable was meant in the sense that had deliveries not been stopped, those particular airframes wouldn't be there in the first place.

Looks like DL1633 from ATL will be the first arrival into MCO. Just took off from ATL.

AirKevin wrote:

WayexTDI wrote:

Iceburgh wrote:

Great point they should've had them shipped out a long time ago. Easily avoidable tradgedy.

Tropical Depression 9 was only identified as such on 9/23/22, only a week ago (today is 9/30/22); it became Hurricane Ian on 9/24/22.
Finishing and flight testing aircraft in less than a week would be quite a feat... So, no, not "easily avoidable".

I guess easily avoidable was meant in the sense that had deliveries not been stopped, those particular airframes wouldn't be there in the first place.

Those specific frames would not have been there, but some still unbuilt ones would have been; same issue.

TEAL71 is bobbing around Ian right now...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEAL71

Looking at Flightaware and ADS-B Exchange, it appears APF has opened.

tjwgrr wrote:

Looking at Flightaware and ADS-B Exchange, it appears APF has opened.

Yup, soft opening today (PP), and full opening tomorrow (Saturday Oct 1)

https://www.flynaples.com/reopen-under-pprmodel/

Aeroflot001 wrote:

tjwgrr wrote:

Looking at Flightaware and ADS-B Exchange, it appears APF has opened.

Yup, soft opening today (PP), and full opening tomorrow (Saturday Oct 1)

https://www.flynaples.com/reopen-under-pprmodel/

DAB now open, first of the parade of Embry Riddle DA42’s arrived about 2 hrs ago.

No commercial flights though.

asuflyer wrote:

KX flew their entire fleet out of GCM during the storm. VP-CIY was flown to TPA, it will be interesting to see if it gets flown out.

According to FR24 it flew to GCM on 27 September.

Did AA provide a reason why they are not making any flights so far from SRQ?? No flights Sunday either. Other airlines are pretty much at their normal operations now at SRQ. While at TPA AA are almost at full schedule today.

First flight resumed by Allegiant out of SBN to Florida.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KSBN/KPIE

ScottB wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised to see much of the tourist-focused infrastructure in SW Florida ready to go for the peak winter/spring (Feb-Apr) season -- at least for any properties which didn't suffer catastrophic impacts. There's just too much money being left on the table if you miss a season. In the case of winter homes on Sanibel & Captiva, I fear the correct verb tense may be "was." I fervently hope very few or no people chose to ride out the storm out on those barrier islands.

Based on the widespread destruction at Ft. Myers Beach, that's not going to be the case. Those 757-300s DL has on the schedule from MSP to RSW will be downgauged/redeployed in an instant for the snowbird season.

It will take years to rebuild the heavily damaged areas. You need money, building materials and construction crews. All of which will be in high demand and limited availability.

bennett123 wrote:

asuflyer wrote:

KX flew their entire fleet out of GCM during the storm. VP-CIY was flown to TPA, it will be interesting to see if it gets flown out.

According to FR24 it flew to GCM on 27 September.

It was actually flown as a regularly scheduled commercial flight that day.

bennett123 wrote:

CALTECH wrote:

Hurricane IAN 'expected to cause catastrophic storm surge, winds and flooding' as it nears Category 5 strength

Last UAL Flight MCO/ORD #2421 then we get to leave.
Aircraft are in hangars, except for a 737-200 Business Jet that has sat on the West Ramp for a year or so and 2 Flight Safety A-330s, with Malta Registrations that have been moved out on the ramp.
Also there was a Frontier Airbus out on the West Ramp but imagine that will fly out.
UPS was loading a MD-11, A300-600 and 2 757s this morning.
Pass over MCO...

I have the A330 as 9H-JFS and 9H-MLS.

Which is the B737-200?.

N80EV

Dazed767 wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

Why are those three not in hangars, not enough space?.

The A330's are Flight Service (Maleth Aero), right now they're in a freight configuration. They are 'tied down' to the ramp. MX is being done on them at MCO.

Both are in freighter mode ? They were actually strapped down to the ramp. One of them was in the hangar but fuselage behind the wing and tail were outside the hangar. They had them spread out so if they weather vaned, they would clear each other. The 737-200 N80EV has been here since last year, probably hoping for insurance claim...
https://www.maleth-aero.com/available-aircraft

SRQLOT wrote:

Did AA provide a reason why they are not making any flights so far from SRQ?? No flights Sunday either. Other airlines are pretty much at their normal operations now at SRQ. While at TPA AA are almost at full schedule today.

If I had to guess, it was AAs part of the check in area that suffered the roof collapse and water damage. Can't think of any other explanation.

RSW is open only for humanitarian flights allegedly until 10/7. There are potable water and power issues at the terminal. Carriers have scheduled flights for as early as tomorrow, Monday. I think that is due to the chance that the airport will open to commercial flights earlier than predicted.

CALTECH wrote:

Dazed767 wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

Why are those three not in hangars, not enough space?.

The A330's are Flight Service (Maleth Aero), right now they're in a freight configuration. They are 'tied down' to the ramp. MX is being done on them at MCO.

Both are in freighter mode ? They were actually strapped down to the ramp. One of them was in the hangar but fuselage behind the wing and tail were outside the hangar. They had them spread out so if they weather vaned, they would clear each other. The 737-200 N80EV has been here since last year, probably hoping for insurance claim...
https://www.maleth-aero.com/available-aircraft

Doubt the insurance includes 'left out in Hurricane'.

RSW has announced that they will be reopening on Wednesday, October 5 for "limited commercial flight operations"

https://twitter.com/RSWAirport/status/1 ... 9699018752

It appears the first arrival was NK639 from DTW and first departure NK1150 to DTW
Southwest and Breeze also on the ground with flights this morning. Looks like most airlines will have service today in some way.

Also of note it looks like only concourse D is operating today and Southwest is only flying in relief flights. Delta, United, spirit, JetBlue, breeze all confirmed today. Not sure about American.

bennett123 wrote:

CALTECH wrote:

Dazed767 wrote:

The A330's are Flight Service (Maleth Aero), right now they're in a freight configuration. They are 'tied down' to the ramp. MX is being done on them at MCO.

Both are in freighter mode ? They were actually strapped down to the ramp. One of them was in the hangar but fuselage behind the wing and tail were outside the hangar. They had them spread out so if they weather vaned, they would clear each other. The 737-200 N80EV has been here since last year, probably hoping for insurance claim...
https://www.maleth-aero.com/available-aircraft

Doubt the insurance includes 'left out in Hurricane'.

Really,....

"2. Hull
This coverage will protect your airplane is the case of damage or loss.

Your aircraft will be assigned a Stated Value, which will be used to calculate your loss. If repair cost and salvage value are equal to or greater than your Stated Value, this would constitute a total loss. In the case of a total loss, the aircraft title will be transferred to the insurer.

Hull coverage is especially important during hurricane season as much of the possible damage can come from high winds and flying debris. Finding the right coverage for your needs is essential as underinsuring your aircraft could result in the loss of the vehicle in the event of a total loss."

"Why You Should Insure Your Aircraft
The likelihood of an aircraft getting damaged by storms like hurricanes is small, but that risk still factors into insurance costs. For example, the cost of any physical damage to the plane due to the storm can be high if the aircraft was left outdoors during severe weather."

"On the Ground Not in Motion
This type of damage coverage protects you when your aircraft is on the ground and not moving at all."

"All-risk hull damage. Hurricanes can damage planes in the air, on the ground, or even secured in a hangar. Property damage insurance for an aircraft, commonly called hull coverage, typically comes in three different forms: ground only, taxiing, and all-risk. While all-risk coverage is typically the most expensive option, it pays for property damage when the plane is not in motion, in motion on the ground, or in flight."

Not sure if this policy relates to N80EV.

Assuming it does, is there no requirement to mitigate loss by flying it out, hangaring it ot securing it.

Surely once warned that a Hurricane is coming you don't just walk away and wait for the cheque.

Yes, hull coverage is usually “stated value”; hangaring is covered when snow collapses the building on your plane. Years ago, a couple of brand new Globals were destroyed at KIAD. I believe the insured value was in excess of MSRP as the market at the time was very strong and waiting lists in years.

My thinking was that failing to take precautions like securing the plane or put it in a hangar would invalidate the claim.

Like leaving your car unlocked and then claiming when it was stolen.

bennett123 wrote:

My thinking was that failing to take precautions like securing the plane or put it in a hangar would invalidate the claim.

Like leaving your car unlocked and then claiming when it was stolen.

Hangar space can be very challenging to find for just a 172 at a lot of airports, much less for one the size of a 737.

Your point is kind of moot anyways, since insurance will cover vehicle theft no matter if you left it unlocked or not. Same with home owners insurance if you leave your door unlocked.

The following were at Orlando or Tampa through the Hurricane;

A320, N339FR and N344FR
A321 OY-KBH
A330 9H-JFS and 9H-LFS
B737 N80EV

We're any of them damaged.

I know A320 N356FR is now back in service (FR24).

bennett123 wrote:

Like leaving your car unlocked and then claiming when it was stolen.

On most auto policies this is a covered loss under Comprehensive coverage. One can leave the keys in it and engine running and if it is stolen is still a covered loss.

CALTECH wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

CALTECH wrote:

Both are in freighter mode ? They were actually strapped down to the ramp. One of them was in the hangar but fuselage behind the wing and tail were outside the hangar. They had them spread out so if they weather vaned, they would clear each other. The 737-200 N80EV has been here since last year, probably hoping for insurance claim...
https://www.maleth-aero.com/available-aircraft

Doubt the insurance includes 'left out in Hurricane'.

Really,....

"2. Hull
This coverage will protect your airplane is the case of damage or loss.

Your aircraft will be assigned a Stated Value, which will be used to calculate your loss. If repair cost and salvage value are equal to or greater than your Stated Value, this would constitute a total loss. In the case of a total loss, the aircraft title will be transferred to the insurer.

Hull coverage is especially important during hurricane season as much of the possible damage can come from high winds and flying debris. Finding the right coverage for your needs is essential as underinsuring your aircraft could result in the loss of the vehicle in the event of a total loss."

"Why You Should Insure Your Aircraft
The likelihood of an aircraft getting damaged by storms like hurricanes is small, but that risk still factors into insurance costs. For example, the cost of any physical damage to the plane due to the storm can be high if the aircraft was left outdoors during severe weather."

"On the Ground Not in Motion
This type of damage coverage protects you when your aircraft is on the ground and not moving at all."

"All-risk hull damage. Hurricanes can damage planes in the air, on the ground, or even secured in a hangar. Property damage insurance for an aircraft, commonly called hull coverage, typically comes in three different forms: ground only, taxiing, and all-risk. While all-risk coverage is typically the most expensive option, it pays for property damage when the plane is not in motion, in motion on the ground, or in flight."

What’s the deductible? Most large companies have very high deductibles. One damaged plane may not meet it.

What was the extent of damage at RSW? It seemed to open back up fairly quickly given how hard the area was hit. Just debris, or was there structural damage to the facilities?

gdavis003 wrote:

What was the extent of damage at RSW? It seemed to open back up fairly quickly given how hard the area was hit. Just debris, or was there structural damage to the facilities?

https://www.travelandleisure.com/fort-m ... an-6746378

It appears that RSW made it through the storm in reasonably good condition.

FLALEFTY wrote:

gdavis003 wrote:

What was the extent of damage at RSW? It seemed to open back up fairly quickly given how hard the area was hit. Just debris, or was there structural damage to the facilities?

https://www.travelandleisure.com/fort-m ... an-6746378

It appears that RSW made it through the storm in reasonably good condition.

From what I read it was not the damage on the field so much as the staff trying to deal with their personal problems dealing with damage of their own.
https://www.flylcpa.com/alert/

Is there any way to find info on when RSW will be fully back to normal operational hours? I just had a flight cancelled by Delta (scheduled at 7 am on Oct. 15). RSW still has only the same message on their website which they have had for days, that flights are operating between 8.30 am and 6 pm - it seems a bit of a stretch that they wouldn't be back to full operations ten days from now. Or maybe it is demand driven and that is why they are cancelling...

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kameleonten wrote:

Is there any way to find info on when RSW will be fully back to normal operational hours? I just had a flight cancelled by Delta (scheduled at 7 am on Oct. 15). RSW still has only the same message on their website which they have had for days, that flights are operating between 8.30 am and 6 pm - it seems a bit of a stretch that they wouldn't be back to full operations ten days from now. Or maybe it is demand driven and that is why they are cancelling...

Operating those hours, I wonder if it is an airfield lighting issue causing the daytime only hours

nkops wrote:

Operating those hours, I wonder if it is an airfield lighting issue causing the daytime only hours

I thought of that too but at least they should start at 7.30 then. Sunrise in Ft Myers was at 7.21 and you would have to go all the way to Oct. 23 to get to 7.30 am. Furthermore, that is departure time (pushback) so it gives them even more time to get to the runway. Also, I realized my original flight was at 8.10, not 7 am so the cancellation is either demand driven or due to security (it opens at 7 am but I guess they have to assume that there will be a lot of early morning flights so some people may not make a 7.55 gate closed time). Still on the overly cautious side of things then. Back to the main question, if it is airfield lighting it has to be pretty substantial if they think it won't be fixed for ten days from now.

kameleonten wrote:

nkops wrote:

Operating those hours, I wonder if it is an airfield lighting issue causing the daytime only hours

I thought of that too but at least they should start at 7.30 then. Sunrise in Ft Myers was at 7.21 and you would have to go all the way to Oct. 23 to get to 7.30 am. Furthermore, that is departure time (pushback) so it gives them even more time to get to the runway. Also, I realized my original flight was at 8.10, not 7 am so the cancellation is either demand driven or due to security (it opens at 7 am but I guess they have to assume that there will be a lot of early morning flights so some people may not make a 7.55 gate closed time). Still on the overly cautious side of things then. Back to the main question, if it is airfield lighting it has to be pretty substantial if they think it won't be fixed for ten days from now.

So the long and short of it is:
Most counties and cities are under curfew in overnight hours.
Driving to/from the airport is not the safest right now for PAX and employees
It appears there was SOME damage as not all concourses are operational (yet)
airlines are not RONing aircraft, whether it is for safety, because of curfew, or to save hotel rooms for those that need it, I don't know.

jco613 wrote:

So the long and short of it is:
Most counties and cities are under curfew in overnight hours.
Driving to/from the airport is not the safest right now for PAX and employees
It appears there was SOME damage as not all concourses are operational (yet)
airlines are not RONing aircraft, whether it is for safety, because of curfew, or to save hotel rooms for those that need it, I don't know.

That makes sense, thanks!

bennett123 wrote:

The following were at Orlando or Tampa through the Hurricane;

A320, N339FR and N344FR
A321 OY-KBH
A330 9H-JFS and 9H-LFS
B737 N80EV

We're any of them damaged.

I know A320 N356FR is now back in service (FR24).

All of the FR A320 are back in service.

Airport to Resume Normal Flight Operations Tuesday, Oct. 11
FORT MYERS, Fla. (Oct. 7, 2022) – Southwest Florida International Airport (RSW) in Fort Myers, Florida, will resume full operations on Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2022. Please be aware of the following:

Some of the many amenities you have come to expect at RSW may not be available. Concessions will have limited food and beverage and other items may be in short supply.
Although restrooms will be open, we will not have drinking water available in the terminal until the boil water notice in our area has been lifted.
For any questions about specific flights, please go to your airline directly as they will have the most up-to-date information.

PGD has quietly restarted operations so we should be all back to “normal” tomorrow.

The biggest reason(s) why airlines are operating limited schedules into RSW are the following:

- Not wanting to RON aircraft, and more importantly not wanting to overnight crews. Due to issues with hotels, food/restaurants, ground transportations - airlines don't want to overnight crews, thus limiting most flights to out-and-back-turns
- Reduced hours / availability of staffing; easier to concentrate into fewer shifts / hours of coverage

It appears AA and UA were the first to RON aircraft at RSW last night. AA rand a full-ish schedule, UA had 1 RON and canceled other flights this morning. DL, NK and B6 are still operating a modified schedule and WN has still yet to return to the airport with scheduled flights. F9 flew a 9pm departure last night, by far the latest since the closure. MX returns today as well. Most of the smaller operators are going as normal as well.

Sanibel Causeway opened yesterday for construction and electrical grid repairs.

jco613 wrote:

It appears AA and UA were the first to RON aircraft at RSW last night. AA rand a full-ish schedule, UA had 1 RON and canceled other flights this morning. DL, NK and B6 are still operating a modified schedule and WN has still yet to return to the airport with scheduled flights. F9 flew a 9pm departure last night, by far the latest since the closure. MX returns today as well. Most of the smaller operators are going as normal as well.

WN has a waiver for travel to RSW through 11/5.
https://www.southwest.com/html/advisori ... 21821.html

WN has finally begun limited ops from RSW today.
Looks like 2x ATL, 3x MCO, 1x BWI, 2x MDW for now

jco613 wrote:

WN has finally begun limited ops from RSW today.
Looks like 2x ATL, 3x MCO, 1x BWI, 2x MDW for now

What were the flights last week used for? They were running a few flights to MCO and ATL everyday.