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Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:15 pm

Must say I'm very intrigued by Cebu Pacific and their A330-900 - 459 Y seats in 3-3-3 config flying flights over 9 hours (MNL-DXB). They have three aircraft in the fleet at the moment and are expecting 13 more - I assume they will all have 459 seats. They fly a lot of short flights too and are kept quite busy.

Videos are popping up on youtube showing off the new bird's cabin and it doesn't look that bad. Seats are pre-reclined so the legroom you have is constant for the whole flight. Tiny galleys for the crew, though, and six seats (3+3) are curtained off on longer flights for crew rest.

Cebu's A330-300 have "only" 436 seats, which is also what Air Asia X and Lion Air have in their A333 and A339s - so Cebu is really setting a new standard with their 459-seat A339s.

What do you think? Are Cebu forward-thinking and 450plus-seat A339s will eventually become the norm with other carriers too as airlines try to optimize revenue per flight or will they remain the only one doing this?
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:39 pm

They have a point. Maximum seating for lowest seat costs and ticket prices. Nine hours might be a tad on the long side to sit like that but something shorter like NYC - LON would work as well from my view if the price is right. I was once onboard some IIRC 405 seat A330. It was tight with almost no dividers, no galley space, seat rows up to the cabin doors, in there. I wonder how they get in all those extra seats?
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:49 pm

Seems common in the Philippines...

Philippine Airlines also operates A333 in 3-3-3 configuration, albeit with a Business Class. However, even in J(!), no entertainment, no PTV/IFE. Very unpleasant experience!

Noshow wrote:
I wonder how they get in all those extra seats?


Especially, AFAIK, as Cebu is not even offering downstairs/cargo hold toilets, like e.g. MyTravel did. With this feature in mind, would it be possible to add even more seats?!
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:46 pm

debonair wrote:
Especially, AFAIK, as Cebu is not even offering downstairs/cargo hold toilets, like e.g. MyTravel did. With this feature in mind, would it be possible to add even more seats?!


If the A339 has the same double-lane exit slides as the A350-1000, max capacity should be 480 seats, but the stairway down found on MyTravel's A332 and Lufthansa's A346 takes up a lot of space so one would perhaps only gain 12 seats, so 471 over the current 459...
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:07 pm

Their domestic seats are sheer torture at 29" pitch - barely survivable for a 45 minute flight, and I'm only 5'10". I can't imagine stuffing 459 poor souls into an A330-900 for a long-haul flight, even at a slightly more generous 30" pitch. The only saving grace is that the crew are super nice and friendly. But that only goes so far, when you're wedged into your seat for that long.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:28 pm

I flew LGW-YUL in an Air Transat A310 at 3-3-3 density a few years ago; it was awful.
I loved the airline and the plane, don't get me wrong... but that seating squeeze is brutal, and I'm not even that big a guy. To say nothing of the fact that, no matter how many seats they put in the plane, the AMOUNT OF OVERHEAD BIN SPACE REMAINS THE SAME!!!
I booked the trip just to fly my first/last A310 flight, but I would never book myself into 3-3-3 Airbus widebodies (aside from the A350) again. Never.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:38 am

3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:14 am

jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


That is a funny comment from someone with "777" in their username. :P My take is that this is terrible but atleast this is not the predominant seating arrangement on the A330 which cannot be said of some other models.

This Cebu plane must have the lowest CASM of any longhaul jet out there?
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:34 am

jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


hahaha your comment is laughable.
Try a 767 with 8-across.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:35 am

Is there a seat map or LOPA for this layout compared to the A333?
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:41 am

oldannyboy wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


hahaha your comment is laughable.
Try a 767 with 8-across.

Both are abominations. As are 777 with 10 across and 787 with 9 across, though less so.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:53 am

PA110 wrote:
Their domestic seats are sheer torture at 29" pitch - barely survivable for a 45 minute flight, and I'm only 5'10". I can't imagine stuffing 459 poor souls into an A330-900 for a long-haul flight, even at a slightly more generous 30" pitch. The only saving grace is that the crew are super nice and friendly. But that only goes so far, when you're wedged into your seat for that long.


Thousands of europeans are flying everyday with easyJet (29'' pitch). Its not a great experience but it does the job.
It will do a great job for the majority of filipino citizens who just want to travel at low cost.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:14 am

flew Cebu and PAL in 3-3-3. not really pleasant. it was acceptable on a MNL-HKg flight but on a long flight, would not be fun
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:23 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
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It will do a great job for the majority of filipino citizens who just want to travel at low cost.

Interesting. How would we call an average foreigner, who doesn't fit ...errr... Filipino mold..., and is vocally unhappy that seats don't allow him to safely fit in and get out? A racist?
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:08 am

Phosphorus wrote:
LaunchDetected wrote:
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It will do a great job for the majority of filipino citizens who just want to travel at low cost.

Interesting. How would we call an average foreigner, who doesn't fit ...errr... Filipino mold..., and is vocally unhappy that seats don't allow him to safely fit in and get out? A racist?


What if we thought things the other way around for once, and we assume -again, only for once!- that it's the Filipino body-type that is the norm, and the overweight, over-fed, westerner the human abomination....

Cebu will indeed be fine for the majority of slender Asians who want to fly for a low(er) price, and others will have to either accept, or decide with their wallets. Lots of choice out there, especially on those longer routes to Dubai...
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:12 am

oldannyboy wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
LaunchDetected wrote:
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It will do a great job for the majority of filipino citizens who just want to travel at low cost.

Interesting. How would we call an average foreigner, who doesn't fit ...errr... Filipino mold..., and is vocally unhappy that seats don't allow him to safely fit in and get out? A racist?


What if we thought things the other way around for once, and we assume -again, only for once!- that it's the Filipino body-type that is the norm, and the overweight, over-fed, westerner the human abomination....

Cebu will indeed be fine for the majority of slender Asians who want to fly for a low(er) price, and others will have to either accept, or decide with their wallets. Lots of choice out there, especially on those longer routes to Dubai...


Who said anything about overweight? And why immediately "westerner"?
South Korea -- average male 175 cm tall
Japan -- average male 170 cm tall

If we go to "westerners", as you insist, typically slender Dutch stand at 184 cm, and Norwegians at 180 cm. Lithuanians and Latvians are 181+ cm. The latter just got away from USSR in our lifetimes, and work on becoming "western".
Are they all overfed abominations?
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:34 pm

I just don't understand half the arguments here. Cebu Pacific caters to certain clientele who are looking for cheap flights back home from the Gulf. If they wanted more "comfortable" options there are multiple airlines with direct and connections. But imagine the saving a family of 4 will have choosing them over EK...or a mother/father working in gulf with family back home, it could mean a chance to see their family perhaps twice a year instead of once.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:02 pm

Seems to me CP found a niche.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:08 pm

sibibom wrote:
I just don't understand half the arguments here. Cebu Pacific caters to certain clientele who are looking for cheap flights back home from the Gulf. If they wanted more "comfortable" options there are multiple airlines with direct and connections. But imagine the saving a family of 4 will have choosing them over EK...or a mother/father working in gulf with family back home, it could mean a chance to see their family perhaps twice a year instead of once.


This...it's either foreign workers in the Gulf or other East Asian nation (HK/Japan/South Korea/Singapore) or VFR traffic to/from places like Australia. Those people just need a seat and a safe flight and well, space for those Balikbayan boxes...5J provided those easily. AFAIK those flights were packed anyway (talking about pre-pandemic...around pandemic time the entry requirements just vary so much especially in East Asia that things can get messy).
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:26 pm

How did we ever allow "pre reclined" to become a valid description :rotfl:
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:39 pm

Seat width isn't a great proxy for width at shoulder level, and men are wider at the shoulders than at waist level. If you don't understand the difference I encourage you to schedule a ride at the window in a 17.2 inch seat in a 737, and then immediately in a 17.2 inch seat at the window in a CR2, CR7 or CR9. This will be illustrative.

Seat pitch is a standard measurement but even a few frequent posters in this enthusiast forum don't get it, and use it as a proxy for knee room or leg room. It isn't a good proxy, due to differences in seat construction across seat designs.

If Cebu Pacific lets prospective customers know what they're getting with regards to comforts and on-board experiences with disclosures that meet all applicable legal standards in all markets - and gets repeat customers - good for them.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:49 pm

I once flew onboard Air France overseas territory high density "domestic" economy class 747-400 at IIRC 28 inch. Pretty tight being tall but doable especially if the price is right. Why not?
Pre reclined doesn't scare me as modern seats swing forward so you only trade your own valuable knee space for a lowered seat back. No option for me.

The problem with tight seating configurations is when a "big" person sitting next to you eats into your seat space as there are no reserves left to move elsewhere.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:00 am

Phosphorus wrote:
LaunchDetected wrote:
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It will do a great job for the majority of filipino citizens who just want to travel at low cost.

Interesting. How would we call an average foreigner, who doesn't fit ...errr... Filipino mold..., and is vocally unhappy that seats don't allow him to safely fit in and get out? A racist?


Not a racist but someone who do not check what flight he is booking. Someone who wants the cheapest flight possible without thinking about the sacrifices needed to bring the cost down. This hypothetical, vocally unhappy guy can fly with other airlines if he values comfort so much, he is not the target customer for Cebu's A330-900.

Regarding the safe evacuation there is regulations and A330-900 is certified to allow evacuation of 459 people in case of emergency.
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:31 am

I flew the Cebu Pacific A330-300 from MNL-NRT and it was fine. It was slightly better than most Spirit flights I have taken in terms of seat room and comfort. Nothing great, but nothing terrible. The staff was friendly, the bag prices much more reasonable, and the food for sale on board was a better bargain than the ULCCs in the US.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:04 am

CRJ900 wrote:
They have three aircraft in the fleet at the moment and are expecting 13 more - I assume they will all have 459 seats.

What sort of limitation on range does such a dense configuration have? I'm thinking if, for example, they would ever fly to say Europe or New Zealand.
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:21 am

Looking at Airbus ACAPS the A339 at Maximum Payload has a maximum range between ~4250nm to ~4750nm depending on the MTOW (242ton or 251ton). On paper its possible to do MNL-SYD but not New Zealand
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:36 am

jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


So the same can be said about the 787 it was also a 2-4-2 design.

The 777 was not intended to be a 3-4-3 design.

So should that be illegal too
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:13 pm

jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.

Since when is Airbus (or Boeing for that matter) responsible for the seating arrangement on their widebody aircraft? They are BFEs and under the full responsibility of the operator.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:34 pm

fessor wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


So the same can be said about the 787 it was also a 2-4-2 design.

The 777 was not intended to be a 3-4-3 design.

So should that be illegal too


That the designs were
2-3-2 for 767
2-4-2 for A330-340 and 787
3-3-3 or 2-5-2 for 777
is common knowledge
The fact that operators, aided and abetted by OEM's, under borderline malicious negligence of regulators, managed to massage the numbers, and pass addition seats per row, is a fact that has happened.
It was made technically not illegal, with said negligence of regulators. So it is on.

One can compare it to nonsense that rocked world finance in 2008. Technically, no individual action was illegal in itself -- runaway lending, repackaging of any crap mortgage into MBS, then all the CDO wizardry, then of course massive CDS pools, all those things. The result stank, but nobody went to jail. Because in the beginning, nobody wanted to look into it, and then it was time to clean up the mess, not look for roots.

Same here. Nothing is technically illegal. you can do all these things. You really shouldn't, but the regulators dropped the ball, and you may.
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:34 pm

AECM wrote:
Looking at Airbus ACAPS the A339 at Maximum Payload has a maximum range between ~4250nm to ~4750nm depending on the MTOW (242ton or 251ton). On paper its possible to do MNL-SYD but not New Zealand


DXB-MNL is 3,800 nm and MNL-AKL is 4,400 nm. Cebu already flies the -900 on DXB - it may be restricted in pax numbers for all we know, but I assume Cebu picked the A330-900 because it was able to fly this route with full pax+bags load. DXB seems to be an important route for Cebu. The -900 also flies to SYD, about 8 hours flight.

As for Europeans travelling in 3+3+3 Y seats on Airbus widebodies - MyTravel/Premiair/Thomas Cook Scandinavia flew the A332 on Scandinavia - Thailand via Sharjah for years and the A332s had 3+3+3 at 29 inch pitch with old-style seats. Flights went out full for years, so if the price is right, many will put up with it.

The new seats on the A339 looks like they have the narrower armerests so the seat looks normal in width.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:17 pm

LaunchDetected wrote:
Not a racist but someone who do not check what flight he is booking. Someone who wants the cheapest flight possible without thinking about the sacrifices needed to bring the cost down.

A cheapskate in short? :twocents: As they say, "You gets what you pays for!" Nevertheless, I don't envy the last person in line to the lavs, and do pity the cabin crew who has to look after those. :yuck:

LaunchDetected wrote:
This hypothetical, vocally unhappy guy can fly with other airlines if he values comfort so much, he is not the target customer for Cebu's A330-900.

Which incidentally, has another frame he could try out soon once he gets over his abhorrence of it. :crowded: From the A330neo P&D thread... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1477087

MSN 1970 Cebu Pacific A339 F-WWYR/RP-C3903, maiden test flight at TLS:
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/523 ... f5ab_h.jpg


AECM wrote:
Looking at Airbus ACAPS the A339 at Maximum Payload has a maximum range between ~4250nm to ~4750nm depending on the MTOW (242ton or 251ton). On paper its possible to do MNL-SYD but not New Zealand

There's the A338neo for that...should PR finally commit to throw their lot with the 'unloved' variant..... :shhh:

https://mediacentre.airbus.com/mediacen ... aId=520279


audidudi wrote:
Both the Kuwait Airways A338s were delivered on contract on 27 September 2022.


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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/523 ... 396d_h.jpg

And it could theoretically make it as far out as Europe and the U.S. PNW once the 251T variant gains the FAA's approval. PR might even decide to retain the 2-3-2 PE cabin! :cloudnine:
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:54 pm

As long as we are discussing racial stereotypes, when I traveled to Asia a number of times in coach, I always saw people get in or out of their middle seat by scooting right past other customers without them getting up! I was like, how is this even possible? Confused face. It is possible if you are 5’2 and 100 pounds. Much harder at 6’2 and 200.
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:38 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
As long as we are discussing racial stereotypes, when I traveled to Asia a number of times in coach, I always saw people get in or out of their middle seat by scooting right past other customers without them getting up! I was like, how is this even possible? Confused face. It is possible if you are 5’2 and 100 pounds. Much harder at 6’2 and 200.


This is what many people do not realize. I'm 165cm tall. For European I'm small. For Philippines, Indonesia etc I'm tall guy :D Average Pilipino is 157cm tall. In US average is 176cm. Almost full 20cm taller. Not talking about other physical parameters. So what is uncomfortable for US, might be pretty comfy for Philippines.
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:25 pm

Noshow wrote:
I wonder how they get in all those extra seats?


Keep in mind that these aircraft are economy-only, there is no first or business class. Not even premium economy. They can fill the entire floor space of the aircraft with economy seats, probably with a quite narrow seat pitch. A business class seat easily takes up as much floor space as 3 economy seats, a first class seat can take up as much space as 10 economy seats. Get all those premium seats out and see how many economy seats you can put in their place, that's how they got up to such a large capacity.

jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


If there's demand for it they make it possible, otherwise Cebu might have gone to Boeing and we might have seen a 787 in this configuration. Whatever airlines want, Airbus delivers.

blandy62 wrote:
flew Cebu and PAL in 3-3-3. not really pleasant. it was acceptable on a MNL-HKg flight but on a long flight, would not be fun


True, but this isn't about fun. It's about low prices, and with such a dense configuration Cebu can offer the lowest ticket prices. Some people don't care if it's comfortable or not, they just care about paying less.

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How did we ever allow "pre reclined" to become a valid description :rotfl:


That's exactly what it is, seats are locked in position. Same as on all ULCCs these days but Cebu is the first placing them in a wide body aircraft. Personally I prefer it, with such a narrow seat pitch you can't have reclining seats. The seat pitch is not the problem as long as the seats remain straight up. This also saves weight as the seat doesn't need to have a reclining mechanism. Think of the weight of 459 reclining mechanisms which they save out.
 
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oldannyboy wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


hahaha your comment is laughable.
Try a 767 with 8-across.


Or any of the Crampliner configs out there...
 
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PatrickZ80 wrote:
Same as on all ULCCs these days but Cebu is the first placing them in a wide body aircraft. Personally I prefer it, with such a narrow seat pitch you can't have reclining seats. The seat pitch is not the problem as long as the seats remain straight up.


If the seat would come along with a moveable, flexible headrest and large 13-inch HD screens I would give it a try!
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:59 am

debonair wrote:
If the seat would come along with a moveable, flexible headrest and large 13-inch HD screens I would give it a try!


It won't because those things cost money. Therefor they can't offer low fares which, as an LCC, is their mail point of sales.
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:19 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Noshow wrote:
I wonder how they get in all those extra seats?


Keep in mind that these aircraft are economy-only, there is no first or business class. Not even premium economy. They can fill the entire floor space of the aircraft with economy seats, probably with a quite narrow seat pitch. A business class seat easily takes up as much floor space as 3 economy seats, a first class seat can take up as much space as 10 economy seats. Get all those premium seats out and see how many economy seats you can put in their place, that's how they got up to such a large capacity.

jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


If there's demand for it they make it possible, otherwise Cebu might have gone to Boeing and we might have seen a 787 in this configuration. Whatever airlines want, Airbus delivers.

blandy62 wrote:
flew Cebu and PAL in 3-3-3. not really pleasant. it was acceptable on a MNL-HKg flight but on a long flight, would not be fun


True, but this isn't about fun. It's about low prices, and with such a dense configuration Cebu can offer the lowest ticket prices. Some people don't care if it's comfortable or not, they just care about paying less.

MaverickM11 wrote:
How did we ever allow "pre reclined" to become a valid description :rotfl:


That's exactly what it is, seats are locked in position. Same as on all ULCCs these days but Cebu is the first placing them in a wide body aircraft. Personally I prefer it, with such a narrow seat pitch you can't have reclining seats. The seat pitch is not the problem as long as the seats remain straight up. This also saves weight as the seat doesn't need to have a reclining mechanism. Think of the weight of 459 reclining mechanisms which they save out.




Good point, getting rid of the recline option in the coach cabin should be standard these days, it would save a lot of acrimony
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:58 am

jfk777 wrote:
3-3-3 seating on an Airbus A330 should be illegal, it was designed for 2-4-2. Airbus should be ashamed it ever allowed the concept to become reality.


Some of the first A333s delivered in the 1990s were 3-3-3. Air Inter, a French domestic carrier (clue in the name, "interior"). Not that dissimilar to CEBU in principle.
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:13 am

I'm probably one of the few real people on here who has an opinion based on FACTS, having flown on a 3-3-3 airbus a few times, on a mid-haul, and I can attest that the experience was anything but unpleasant. The seat reduced width was in fact hardly noticeable, legroom was perfectly adequate, and the cabin retained a spacious, airy feel about it. It was absolutely nothing dramatic. people make a lot of noise for things they don't know, or have not seen/tried/tested, and make a stink out of simple bias.
I love how people (I'm ready to guess, occasional, budget-oriented 'one-time-a-year or more' leisure travellers) love to have such strong opinions on a seat that's 1,5 inches narrower than the mainstream one....
Ans ultimately, if people are ready to put up with a 'torture chamber' that is a 3-3-3 airbus cabin for a lower price, why is this such a problem to you 'entitled, and obviously wealthy, frequent travellers who mostly fly J and F'??????
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:41 am

Well, if you fly Ethiopian in economy on long haul, there is pretty little legroom too, even less in their 737s - those were really awful. If you experience that, who cares if there is a business class in the front or if it's all economy? Honestly I don't, as long as I'm flying economy. So, why not putting as many seats as possible in there, if it works?
I had a direct comparison on Air Anatolia's A300s back in 1999: The flight to Turkey was 3-3-3 with a little more legroom, and the reteurn flight was 2-4-2 with absolutely no legroom at all - even for me as ...almost a child at that time! So, I would always prefer one more seat per row, than slightly wider seats with even less legroom. I found 3-3-3 in an Airbus widebody OK, knowing I didn't book a flight for comfort, but for price. And I think that's what Cebu's customers do. In the end, we don't care, how many people are cramped into the aircraft, but only how cramped our personal seat is, don't we?
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm

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BudSpencer wrote:
Well, if you fly Ethiopian in economy on long haul, there is pretty little legroom too, even less in their 737s - those were really awful. If you experience that, who cares if there is a business class in the front or if it's all economy? Honestly I don't, as long as I'm flying economy. So, why not putting as many seats as possible in there, if it works?
I had a direct comparison on Air Anatolia's A300s back in 1999: The flight to Turkey was 3-3-3 with a little more legroom, and the reteurn flight was 2-4-2 with absolutely no legroom at all - even for me as ...almost a child at that time! So, I would always prefer one more seat per row, than slightly wider seats with even less legroom. I found 3-3-3 in an Airbus widebody OK, knowing I didn't book a flight for comfort, but for price. And I think that's what Cebu's customers do. In the end, we don't care, how many people are cramped into the aircraft, but only how cramped our personal seat is, don't we?



Agree, being cramped is not fun but if I had to choose I’d take more legroom and put up with a narrower seat


While on they subject, most useless option in a coach cabin, fold down footrests, useless, their only purpose is taking up valuable leg room
 
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Re: Cebu's 459-seat A330-900

Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:57 pm

I remember two flights with A300 aircraft, one South African and the other Korean, and it was only after a while that I realized they were 9 abreast. Both flights were on full fare tickets. Likely legroom was OK as far as I remember, that was some time ago though, late nineties maybe? I also had a flight from Helsinki to Shanghai on an MD 11 in I believe 2003 where the rear economy cabin was 10 abreast, which I found kind of tight. But hey, the price was the lowest Europe to China at the time! So I can only blame myself for the choice. Interestingly the cheapest Europe to China flights in the last 20 years were alternatively switched from either Finnair to Air France or Aeroflot or v/v.
So at the end of the day it is up to each individual on how much she/he wants to spend to get the desired comfort and experience. :scratchchin:

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