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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:43 am

SCFlyer wrote:
If I recall correctly the Lufthansa group, including (SWISS and Austrian) only have an interline agreement with VA, thus any FF benefits for LH's (M&M) FF customers flying VA (and vice-versa for VA Velocity FFs on LH group) would be zero as LH and VA are not codeshare and/or FF partners.


Lufthansa Group have interline agreements in place with QF, VA and JQ. Regardless, you are correct that there are no FF benefits on either QF or VA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:36 am

SCFlyer wrote:
If I recall correctly the Lufthansa group, including (SWISS and Austrian) only have an interline agreement with VA, thus any FF benefits for LH's (M&M) FF customers flying VA (and vice-versa for VA Velocity FFs on LH group) would be zero as LH and VA are not codeshare and/or FF partners.


But it's part of the JV. Any ticket issues on LH and SQ stock between any point in Germany (and 33 additional European countries) and any point in Australia (plus Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and three other unnamed countries) is part of the JV, meaning coordinating of pricing, schedules and capacity. The JV is metal neutral, so one can simply take SQ coded flights and get your FF benefit, independent of who operates them. Meanwhile, LH get complete access to SQ capacity into Australia. They get almost even better access than they'd get themselves. SQ operate to 7 Australian destinations as opposed to the one or two LH could themselves if they did fly. They get multiple frequencies on every route and take limited risk in doing so.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:49 am

evanb wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
If I recall correctly the Lufthansa group, including (SWISS and Austrian) only have an interline agreement with VA, thus any FF benefits for LH's (M&M) FF customers flying VA (and vice-versa for VA Velocity FFs on LH group) would be zero as LH and VA are not codeshare and/or FF partners.


But it's part of the JV. Any ticket issues on LH and SQ stock between any point in Germany (and 33 additional European countries) and any point in Australia (plus Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and three other unnamed countries) is part of the JV, meaning coordinating of pricing, schedules and capacity. The JV is metal neutral, so one can simply take SQ coded flights and get your FF benefit, independent of who operates them. Meanwhile, LH get complete access to SQ capacity into Australia. They get almost even better access than they'd get themselves. SQ operate to 7 Australian destinations as opposed to the one or two LH could themselves if they did fly. They get multiple frequencies on every route and take limited risk in doing so.


The JV covers SQ and LH Group, but the JV doesn't cover unrelated third-party codeshare partners such as VA. According to the current Virgin Velocity Frequent Flyer website under Singapore Airlines

Velocity Points cannot be earned on:

Reward Seat bookings
Charter flight bookings
Fares classes other than as specified in tables above
Any Singapore Airlines flight where KrisFlyer miles have been used as form of payment irrespective of the fare class flown
Codeshare flights (Any flight with an SQ flight number that is operated by an airline other than Singapore Airlines or Virgin Australia)


Unless the bolded part changes entirely (which is unlikely) or if LH group signs a codeshare/FF deal with VA in the future (which is possible but likely a while off). FF benefits flying LH on a VFF card (and vice-versa) at this stage is basically zero.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:21 am

GA returns to MEL from 23NOV:

GA716 CGK 21:00 - 07:35+1 MEL A333 3
GA717 MEL 09:10 - 12:25 CGK A333 4

https://www.garuda-indonesia.com/au/en/ ... t-Schedule
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:37 pm

Emirates will be operating an extra flight to Perth on 06OCT2022, as EK2668, operated by a B77W.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:08 pm

evanb wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
If I recall correctly the Lufthansa group, including (SWISS and Austrian) only have an interline agreement with VA, thus any FF benefits for LH's (M&M) FF customers flying VA (and vice-versa for VA Velocity FFs on LH group) would be zero as LH and VA are not codeshare and/or FF partners.


But it's part of the JV. Any ticket issues on LH and SQ stock between any point in Germany (and 33 additional European countries) and any point in Australia (plus Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and three other unnamed countries) is part of the JV, meaning coordinating of pricing, schedules and capacity. The JV is metal neutral, so one can simply take SQ coded flights and get your FF benefit, independent of who operates them. Meanwhile, LH get complete access to SQ capacity into Australia. They get almost even better access than they'd get themselves. SQ operate to 7 Australian destinations as opposed to the one or two LH could themselves if they did fly. They get multiple frequencies on every route and take limited risk in doing so.


Could they include Scoot in the JV. So someone could fly Frankfurt to SIN then onto Gold Coast on the one ticket. So they could then offer 8 Australian cities in total.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:16 pm

kriskim wrote:
GA returns to MEL from 23NOV:

GA716 CGK 21:00 - 07:35+1 MEL A333 3
GA717 MEL 09:10 - 12:25 CGK A333 4

https://www.garuda-indonesia.com/au/en/ ... t-Schedule

Would this be handled by a single crew operating the return service? As currently scheduled as a single service per week, I can't imagine GA putting the crew up in a Melbourne hotel for a week.

It is good to see them back though and I hope they increase their frequency in the short term. QF are currently charging extortionate fares to CGK. I just booked a return Y fare in a couple of weeks for work at over $2300. Pre-COVID, this fare was around $1400. It is not a particularly great service requiring a domestic sector to/from SYD which means after an hour's flying, you are actually further from CGK than you were when you were in MEL. QF is bringing in a PER-CGK service using a 738 from November but the timing is pretty dreadful so it doesn't improve things much unfortunately.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:00 pm

The new aircraft for QF would be perfect on MEL-CGK a couple of times a week.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:34 pm

NZ516 wrote:
Could they include Scoot in the JV. So someone could fly Frankfurt to SIN then onto Gold Coast on the one ticket. So they could then offer 8 Australian cities in total.


They already are. My previous post indicated that it includes TR on the SQ side, as well as LX and OS on the LH side. However, that doesn't guarantee that LH might want to codeshare on specific TR flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:18 am

tullamarine wrote:
kriskim wrote:
GA returns to MEL from 23NOV:

GA716 CGK 21:00 - 07:35+1 MEL A333 3
GA717 MEL 09:10 - 12:25 CGK A333 4

https://www.garuda-indonesia.com/au/en/ ... t-Schedule

Would this be handled by a single crew operating the return service? As currently scheduled as a single service per week, I can't imagine GA putting the crew up in a Melbourne hotel for a week.

It is good to see them back though and I hope they increase their frequency in the short term. QF are currently charging extortionate fares to CGK. I just booked a return Y fare in a couple of weeks for work at over $2300. Pre-COVID, this fare was around $1400. It is not a particularly great service requiring a domestic sector to/from SYD which means after an hour's flying, you are actually further from CGK than you were when you were in MEL. QF is bringing in a PER-CGK service using a 738 from November but the timing is pretty dreadful so it doesn't improve things much unfortunately.


I would assume that the crew dead head to SYD, OZ did something similar when they operated the seasonal MEL-ICN service that was also 1 weekly. But GA will increase MEL-CGK to twice weekly in December.

I think routes like MEL-CGK/MNL are ripe routes for QF’s incoming A321XLR, JQ could give these routes a crack too with their A321LR’s.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:35 am

kriskim wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
kriskim wrote:
GA returns to MEL from 23NOV:

GA716 CGK 21:00 - 07:35+1 MEL A333 3
GA717 MEL 09:10 - 12:25 CGK A333 4

https://www.garuda-indonesia.com/au/en/ ... t-Schedule

Would this be handled by a single crew operating the return service? As currently scheduled as a single service per week, I can't imagine GA putting the crew up in a Melbourne hotel for a week.

It is good to see them back though and I hope they increase their frequency in the short term. QF are currently charging extortionate fares to CGK. I just booked a return Y fare in a couple of weeks for work at over $2300. Pre-COVID, this fare was around $1400. It is not a particularly great service requiring a domestic sector to/from SYD which means after an hour's flying, you are actually further from CGK than you were when you were in MEL. QF is bringing in a PER-CGK service using a 738 from November but the timing is pretty dreadful so it doesn't improve things much unfortunately.


I would assume that the crew dead head to SYD, OZ did something similar when they operated the seasonal MEL-ICN service that was also 1 weekly. But GA will increase MEL-CGK to twice weekly in December.

I think routes like MEL-CGK/MNL are ripe routes for QF’s incoming A321XLR, JQ could give these routes a crack too with their A321LR’s.

Yes, MEL-CGK, MEL-MNL and ADL-SIN are already seen as some of the early routes QF may choose launch once the XLRs arrive. Given it is principally a business route with very low tourists except for a few Indonesians coming to MEL for shopping, I would expect MEL-CGK to be more likely a QF route rather than JQ though as the products seem to converge, in Y at least, I guess anything is possible.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:28 am

A passenger in the Perth T3/4 International Terminal was found to be not screened and the whole terminal is in the process of evacuating, including staff, in order to be re-screened.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:13 am

tullamarine wrote:
Yes, MEL-CGK, MEL-MNL and ADL-SIN are already seen as some of the early routes QF may choose launch once the XLRs arrive. Given it is principally a business route with very low tourists except for a few Indonesians coming to MEL for shopping, I would expect MEL-CGK to be more likely a QF route rather than JQ though as the products seem to converge, in Y at least, I guess anything is possible.


The market to/from CGK is very large. While likely not a lot of tourism, it's a mix of business traffic (as you note) as well as VFR. There are a lot of Indonesians living in Australia, a mix of students, short term workers and migrants - particularly Melbourne. Perception is that it's low yielding traffic though. 2019 saw 334k total pax between SYD/MEL/PER-CGK. While there is some substantial seasonal variation, that is 915 per day, on average. While the yields are low, QF can cream off the top of that yield, just like they already do on SYD-CGK. A321XLR is great for that since you're only looking to pick up a slice of the market. They'll be competing with some one-stop options though (notably SQ and TR).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:31 am

evanb wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Yes, MEL-CGK, MEL-MNL and ADL-SIN are already seen as some of the early routes QF may choose launch once the XLRs arrive. Given it is principally a business route with very low tourists except for a few Indonesians coming to MEL for shopping, I would expect MEL-CGK to be more likely a QF route rather than JQ though as the products seem to converge, in Y at least, I guess anything is possible.


The market to/from CGK is very large. While likely not a lot of tourism, it's a mix of business traffic (as you note) as well as VFR. There are a lot of Indonesians living in Australia, a mix of students, short term workers and migrants - particularly Melbourne. Perception is that it's low yielding traffic though. 2019 saw 334k total pax between SYD/MEL/PER-CGK. While there is some substantial seasonal variation, that is 915 per day, on average. While the yields are low, QF can cream off the top of that yield, just like they already do on SYD-CGK. A321XLR is great for that since you're only looking to pick up a slice of the market. They'll be competing with some one-stop options though (notably SQ and TR).


Alot of the price sensitive market from CGK often travel to DPS to get fights to AU as its often cheaper
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:04 am

tullamarine wrote:
kriskim wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Would this be handled by a single crew operating the return service? As currently scheduled as a single service per week, I can't imagine GA putting the crew up in a Melbourne hotel for a week.

It is good to see them back though and I hope they increase their frequency in the short term. QF are currently charging extortionate fares to CGK. I just booked a return Y fare in a couple of weeks for work at over $2300. Pre-COVID, this fare was around $1400. It is not a particularly great service requiring a domestic sector to/from SYD which means after an hour's flying, you are actually further from CGK than you were when you were in MEL. QF is bringing in a PER-CGK service using a 738 from November but the timing is pretty dreadful so it doesn't improve things much unfortunately.


I would assume that the crew dead head to SYD, OZ did something similar when they operated the seasonal MEL-ICN service that was also 1 weekly. But GA will increase MEL-CGK to twice weekly in December.

I think routes like MEL-CGK/MNL are ripe routes for QF’s incoming A321XLR, JQ could give these routes a crack too with their A321LR’s.

Yes, MEL-CGK, MEL-MNL and ADL-SIN are already seen as some of the early routes QF may choose launch once the XLRs arrive. Given it is principally a business route with very low tourists except for a few Indonesians coming to MEL for shopping, I would expect MEL-CGK to be more likely a QF route rather than JQ though as the products seem to converge, in Y at least, I guess anything is possible.


I wonder if they could handle the domestic /Bali / Tasman /PI config eg recliners not lay flat - that QF seems to be getting first. Out then at a disadvantage to GA - but also QF have a much stronger point of sale in AU then GA so probs could handle a substandard product.

After seeing AAs new cabins… particularly on the 321 o FP really hope QF does a proper job designing it, and invests in the interior. Not just seats but design touches- bulkheads carpets etc
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:25 am

smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
kriskim wrote:

I would assume that the crew dead head to SYD, OZ did something similar when they operated the seasonal MEL-ICN service that was also 1 weekly. But GA will increase MEL-CGK to twice weekly in December.

I think routes like MEL-CGK/MNL are ripe routes for QF’s incoming A321XLR, JQ could give these routes a crack too with their A321LR’s.

Yes, MEL-CGK, MEL-MNL and ADL-SIN are already seen as some of the early routes QF may choose launch once the XLRs arrive. Given it is principally a business route with very low tourists except for a few Indonesians coming to MEL for shopping, I would expect MEL-CGK to be more likely a QF route rather than JQ though as the products seem to converge, in Y at least, I guess anything is possible.


I wonder if they could handle the domestic /Bali / Tasman /PI config eg recliners not lay flat - that QF seems to be getting first. Out then at a disadvantage to GA - but also QF have a much stronger point of sale in AU then GA so probs could handle a substandard product.

After seeing AAs new cabins… particularly on the 321 o FP really hope QF does a proper job designing it, and invests in the interior. Not just seats but design touches- bulkheads carpets etc

QF seems to be saying they aren't interested in subfleets so it seems all the initial A321XLRs will be fitted with 20 recliner J-class seats. I don't think QF would see this as a problem on a route like CGK-MEL where the overnight sector would only be a 6 hour flight anyway. Remember, QF kept its 763s on CGK-SYD just about right up until their retirement. I assume QF doesn't see GA as a significant threat so (probably rightly) thinks it can get away with a lesser J-class product than it needs on ultra-competitive routes where it is up against quality products from competitors such as SQ.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:17 am

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QF seems to be saying they aren't interested in subfleets so it seems all the initial A321XLRs will be fitted with 20 recliner J-class seats. I don't think QF would see this as a problem on a route like CGK-MEL where the overnight sector would only be a 6 hour flight anyway. Remember, QF kept its 763s on CGK-SYD just about right up until their retirement. I assume QF doesn't see GA as a significant threat so (probably rightly) thinks it can get away with a lesser J-class product than it needs on ultra-competitive routes where it is up against quality products from competitors such as SQ.


Assuming here that GA is the competition for QF. QF won't want to get into a yield battle. SQ on the other hand ...

No reason to assume it'll even have an overnight leg. If it's a morning departure ex MEL, it'll be back in the evening. Assuming they're happy to forego connecting traffic then they can do something similar to what they do on PER-SIN-PER.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:32 am

tullamarine wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Yes, MEL-CGK, MEL-MNL and ADL-SIN are already seen as some of the early routes QF may choose launch once the XLRs arrive. Given it is principally a business route with very low tourists except for a few Indonesians coming to MEL for shopping, I would expect MEL-CGK to be more likely a QF route rather than JQ though as the products seem to converge, in Y at least, I guess anything is possible.


I wonder if they could handle the domestic /Bali / Tasman /PI config eg recliners not lay flat - that QF seems to be getting first. Out then at a disadvantage to GA - but also QF have a much stronger point of sale in AU then GA so probs could handle a substandard product.

After seeing AAs new cabins… particularly on the 321 o FP really hope QF does a proper job designing it, and invests in the interior. Not just seats but design touches- bulkheads carpets etc

QF seems to be saying they aren't interested in subfleets so it seems all the initial A321XLRs will be fitted with 20 recliner J-class seats. I don't think QF would see this as a problem on a route like CGK-MEL where the overnight sector would only be a 6 hour flight anyway. Remember, QF kept its 763s on CGK-SYD just about right up until their retirement. I assume QF doesn't see GA as a significant threat so (probably rightly) thinks it can get away with a lesser J-class product than it needs on ultra-competitive routes where it is up against quality products from competitors such as SQ.


I suppose there are recliners, and then there are recliners! Some would be pretty decent for a shorthaul 6hr flight. Have QF actually locked in their 321 config, or was it simply rumours from Executive traveler?

But fully agree that even with standard domestic recliners QF and GA are going after different markets.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:59 am

Not sure what's going on with Rexs' Saab operations at the moment but they seem to be having a lot of delays and cancelations. In my region 3 ports all seem to have late arriving flights with plenty being joined and operated with one plane to two ports under different flight numbers. Late evening arrivals, at overnighting ports, are causing a knock on effect for their next morning early departures as pilots and crew need a minimum rest period before they can go again the next morning. They can't seem to catch back up.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:16 am

I suppose there are recliners, and then there are recliners! Some would be pretty decent for a shorthaul 6hr flight. Have QF actually locked in their 321 config, or was it simply rumours from Executive traveler?

QF has confirmed the A321XLRs will be 20J and 180Y. To fit that many seats in, the J seats must be 5 rows of recliners followed by Y class.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:24 am

qf2048 wrote:
Not sure what's going on with Rexs' Saab operations at the moment but they seem to be having a lot of delays and cancelations. In my region 3 ports all seem to have late arriving flights with plenty being joined and operated with one plane to two ports under different flight numbers. Late evening arrivals, at overnighting ports, are causing a knock on effect for their next morning early departures as pilots and crew need a minimum rest period before they can go again the next morning. They can't seem to catch back up.


Im going to venture the heavy rain in NSW is probably playing a role with current days delays.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:36 am

Jetstar have filed additional A321LR routes over the summer period, which will see the aircraft flying to Brisbane, Hobart, Perth and the Sunshine Coast.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221004-jqdec2232q

In addition, Qantas will reduce A380 services to LAX from the end of the month.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221005-qfnw22lax

Lastly, Scoot to boost flights to Perth in December.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221005-trdec22per
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:41 am

qf2048 wrote:
Not sure what's going on with Rexs' Saab operations at the moment but they seem to be having a lot of delays and cancelations. In my region 3 ports all seem to have late arriving flights with plenty being joined and operated with one plane to two ports under different flight numbers. Late evening arrivals, at overnighting ports, are causing a knock on effect for their next morning early departures as pilots and crew need a minimum rest period before they can go again the next morning. They can't seem to catch back up.



Currently a combination of crew shortages, aircraft shortages and holiday induced traffic flow management.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:35 am

A comment on a thread about Delta rumoured to be taking ex QR A350-1000s ponders if QF might have an exclusivity deal over the A350 configuration they've ordered from Airbus. Ostensibly so that other operators dont order the same.

viewtopic.php?p=23486803#p23487321

Is this something that is done with aircraft orders? QF had the 74Es but no-one else did, was this because of the commercials or could this have been contractual (there were 74E freighters no?)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:01 am

qf2220 wrote:
A comment on a thread about Delta rumoured to be taking ex QR A350-1000s ponders if QF might have an exclusivity deal over the A350 configuration they've ordered from Airbus. Ostensibly so that other operators dont order the same.

viewtopic.php?p=23486803#p23487321

Is this something that is done with aircraft orders? QF had the 74Es but no-one else did, was this because of the commercials or could this have been contractual (there were 74E freighters no?)


Highly doubtful they'd have an exclusivity deal, besides doubts whether it would be legal, surely Airbus would charge a heavy premium for what would be a unique sub-variant.

In regards to the 747-400ER, no one else needed the added performance offered by the ER PAX version. However, the added performance for the freighter was most welcome.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:36 am

LTEN11 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
A comment on a thread about Delta rumoured to be taking ex QR A350-1000s ponders if QF might have an exclusivity deal over the A350 configuration they've ordered from Airbus. Ostensibly so that other operators dont order the same.

viewtopic.php?p=23486803#p23487321

Is this something that is done with aircraft orders? QF had the 74Es but no-one else did, was this because of the commercials or could this have been contractual (there were 74E freighters no?)


Highly doubtful they'd have an exclusivity deal, besides doubts whether it would be legal, surely Airbus would charge a heavy premium for what would be a unique sub-variant.

In regards to the 747-400ER, no one else needed the added performance offered by the ER PAX version. However, the added performance for the freighter was most welcome.

I agree it is unlikely QF are getting a truly unique version of the 35K. The development cost would either mean the price paid by QF would be too high ot Airbus would not be able to recoup the cost.

The 744ER was developed quite late in the 744's lifecycle. Most other airlines were already looking towards the A380 or 77W so it became unique to QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:00 am

7 of Klm 737-700 will shortly move to Virgin Australia to replace the remaining F 100.

Source luchtvaartnieuws.nl
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:48 am

Flanker7 wrote:
7 of Klm 737-700 will shortly move to Virgin Australia to replace the remaining F 100.

Source luchtvaartnieuws.nl


One of the frames has already been added to the VA fleet and allocated the rego VH-NBV (ex PH-BGR). It is currently being readied for service in XSP
Of the remaining 6, 3 are still in service with KLM (PH-BGX/BGK/BGL), the other 3 have been removed from their fleet and stored (PH-BGT/BGU/BGW). None have yet been allocated VH-regos.
(Source: planespotters.net)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:30 am

tristans wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:
7 of Klm 737-700 will shortly move to Virgin Australia to replace the remaining F 100.

Source luchtvaartnieuws.nl


One of the frames has already been added to the VA fleet and allocated the rego VH-NBV (ex PH-BGR). It is currently being readied for service in XSP
Of the remaining 6, 3 are still in service with KLM (PH-BGX/BGK/BGL), the other 3 have been removed from their fleet and stored (PH-BGT/BGU/BGW). None have yet been allocated VH-regos.
(Source: planespotters.net)


I assume these are going to VARA instead of mainline?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:36 am

Fuling wrote:
tristans wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:
7 of Klm 737-700 will shortly move to Virgin Australia to replace the remaining F 100.

Source luchtvaartnieuws.nl


One of the frames has already been added to the VA fleet and allocated the rego VH-NBV (ex PH-BGR). It is currently being readied for service in XSP
Of the remaining 6, 3 are still in service with KLM (PH-BGX/BGK/BGL), the other 3 have been removed from their fleet and stored (PH-BGT/BGU/BGW). None have yet been allocated VH-regos.
(Source: planespotters.net)


I assume these are going to VARA instead of mainline?


Will be put on the mainline AOC under the VARA all-Y config.

Leading to unconfirmed speculation across other forums/FB groups that the VARA AOC will be merged into mainline's AOC when the last of the Fokkers are withdrawn.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:55 am

I think most of VARA’s Fokkers are around 30 years old. Will they be snapped up by Alliance or are they heading for the scrapper? I’ll miss the F100s and F70s when they eventually disappear from Aussie skies.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:00 pm

tsurumaru wrote:

In addition, Qantas will reduce A380 services to LAX from the end of the month.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221005-qfnw22lax



What's the story behind this?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:20 pm

Looking at the VA schedule to MKY from Jan, it appears to have all economy 737 services.
It’s mixed in with F100 & F70 services.

After years of having a strong hold in MKY, with the closure of the lounge and now the removal of J, it’s obvious QF are getting the upper hand of commercial FIFO.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:24 pm

freshwater wrote:
tsurumaru wrote:

In addition, Qantas will reduce A380 services to LAX from the end of the month.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221005-qfnw22lax



What's the story behind this?

Most likely due to cracking wing inspections or AA resuming B77W services & reintroduction of first class…


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:38 am

qfba wrote:
Looking at the VA schedule to MKY from Jan, it appears to have all economy 737 services.
It’s mixed in with F100 & F70 services.

After years of having a strong hold in MKY, with the closure of the lounge and now the removal of J, it’s obvious QF are getting the upper hand of commercial FIFO.


Makes sense from a business perspective (unfortunate for personal use). From my limited experience sitting upfront and speaking with others up there(n=30) the majority of people sitting in business have paid the bare minimum 50$ upgrade bid. Now that I'm platinum I don't bother paying more than 250$ early bird fare just to get the 50 status points. As you correctly said, no lounge, and for me, roughly same leg room in economy X (Free for platinum)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:04 pm

Does anyone know what happened to qf 43? Looks like it was trying to divert to Darwin, however due to local storms, it landed in Katherine.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:46 pm

QF41 wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to qf 43? Looks like it was trying to divert to Darwin, however due to local storms, it landed in Katherine.


It was never diverting to Darwin. Darwin was a fuel stop along the way from Sydney to Bali, however it did divert to Katherine since Darwin was seemingly unavailable.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:49 am

evanb wrote:
. I'm just not sure that the EU-style approach has had any positive effect since the airlines have passed those costs onto consumers. Sure, I can get compensation, but now we're just socialising that cost. ..

What it's also done is created a whole new bureaucracy to implement and enforce it, and a wildly inconsistent approach in each country that has made it cumbersome for consumers to use it .


And in some cases has ended up being very expensive for the delayed passengers.
https://www.australianfrequentflyer.com ... tion-loss/

No easy ways with regulation and every situation is different.

But you can certainly see in Europe that it's raised the overall cost structure of LCCs.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:28 am

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Does anyone know what happened to qf 43? Looks like it was trying to divert to Darwin, however due to local storms, it landed in Katherine.


QF43 has been diverting a lot over the last week or so. Most seemed planned as they went straight to DRW. But last nights into KTR and the night before into DRW (turned around over the Kimberly) seemed unplanned.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:11 am

QF41 wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to qf 43? Looks like it was trying to divert to Darwin, however due to local storms, it landed in Katherine.


10 hours in a 737! That’s hellish!
Are there no A330s available for this route?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:43 am

Perth Airport rail line opens today after cost blowouts and time delays.

The service will run from High Wycombe in Perths east to Claremont in the west. Tickets $5 which is a bargain.

Redcliffe station near DFO will service T3/T4 then Perth airport station will service T1/T2 with an above ground walkway.

https://www.forrestfieldairportlink.wa.gov.au/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:56 am

waoz1 wrote:
Perth Airport rail line opens today after cost blowouts and time delays.

The service will run from High Wycombe in Perths east to Claremont in the west. Tickets $5 which is a bargain.

Redcliffe station near DFO will service T3/T4 then Perth airport station will service T1/T2 with an above ground walkway.

https://www.forrestfieldairportlink.wa.gov.au/


And we’ll before Melbourne - and far better pricing than SYD. Even after delays a much better service! Cost blowouts are a shame.

Wonder when if ever construction will begin on moving QF over to the precinct. PAPL still have big plans for the airport once the third runway is finished, I believe they are rather slot constrained atm due to all the FIFO flying.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:17 am

waoz1 wrote:
Perth Airport rail line opens today after cost blowouts and time delays.

The service will run from High Wycombe in Perths east to Claremont in the west. Tickets $5 which is a bargain.

Redcliffe station near DFO will service T3/T4 then Perth airport station will service T1/T2 with an above ground walkway.

https://www.forrestfieldairportlink.wa.gov.au/


Very surprised there isn't some sort of bus shuttle between Redcliffe and T3/T4 - it's over 1km to the terminal precinct which is about a 15 minute walk - definitely not ideal with luggage. I understand the station was selected to service the suburb of Redcliffe and not T3/T4, however we are still years off Qantas relocating to T1 precinct.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:22 am

ben175 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
Perth Airport rail line opens today after cost blowouts and time delays.

The service will run from High Wycombe in Perths east to Claremont in the west. Tickets $5 which is a bargain.

Redcliffe station near DFO will service T3/T4 then Perth airport station will service T1/T2 with an above ground walkway.

https://www.forrestfieldairportlink.wa.gov.au/


Very surprised there isn't some sort of bus shuttle between Redcliffe and T3/T4


Route 292 operates a circular service between Redcliffe station and T3/4.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:03 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
QF41 wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to qf 43? Looks like it was trying to divert to Darwin, however due to local storms, it landed in Katherine.


10 hours in a 737! That’s hellish!
Are there no A330s available for this route?


DPS is also a low yielding tourist beach market route. When there are limited A330s in the QF fleet which are better utilised on higher yielding routes, it leaves the 737 for the beach markets.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:32 am

Travelling to Japan next month.

When looking at flights, QF were selling Jetstar flights from MEL under a QF flight number, with only a 20kg baggage allowance for around AUD$1400.
SQ were selling flights with the MEL-SIN & SIN-MEL legs as Scoot flights, again under an SQ flight number.... A bit sneaky, and can catch out those not in the know....

Ended up booking on MH, with JL flights on the KUL-NRT & return legs.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:45 am

smi0006 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
Perth Airport rail line opens today after cost blowouts and time delays.

The service will run from High Wycombe in Perths east to Claremont in the west. Tickets $5 which is a bargain.

Redcliffe station near DFO will service T3/T4 then Perth airport station will service T1/T2 with an above ground walkway.

https://www.forrestfieldairportlink.wa.gov.au/


And we’ll before Melbourne - and far better pricing than SYD. Even after delays a much better service! Cost blowouts are a shame.

Wonder when if ever construction will begin on moving QF over to the precinct. PAPL still have big plans for the airport once the third runway is finished, I believe they are rather slot constrained atm due to all the FIFO flying.


Some of the Qantas buildings on T1 side, catering etc are coming to end of life. I know one piece of equipment is over 30 years old and was second hand from Sydney. I heard a decision would be made soon. 2028 is what I heard but no proper basis too it just age of some equipment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:44 am

SCFlyer wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
QF41 wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to qf 43? Looks like it was trying to divert to Darwin, however due to local storms, it landed in Katherine.


10 hours in a 737! That’s hellish!
Are there no A330s available for this route?


DPS is also a low yielding tourist beach market route. When there are limited A330s in the QF fleet which are better utilised on higher yielding routes, it leaves the 737 for the beach markets.


The bigger issue is the ultra-restrictive bilateral between Indonesia and Australia regarding DPS flights. See the recent news articles about extra allocation of seats? Qf want the final free seats to make SYD seasonal A330, VA have applied to put MEL double daily. Not as simple as upgrading certain routes to wide bodies as far as DPS goes.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:07 am

CostaDelSol90 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:

10 hours in a 737! That’s hellish!
Are there no A330s available for this route?


DPS is also a low yielding tourist beach market route. When there are limited A330s in the QF fleet which are better utilised on higher yielding routes, it leaves the 737 for the beach markets.


The bigger issue is the ultra-restrictive bilateral between Indonesia and Australia regarding DPS flights. See the recent news articles about extra allocation of seats? Qf want the final free seats to make SYD seasonal A330, VA have applied to put MEL double daily. Not as simple as upgrading certain routes to wide bodies as far as DPS goes.

If I recall correctly both SYD/MEL-DPS were A330 pre-covid…


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2022

Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:58 am

EK413 wrote:
CostaDelSol90 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:

DPS is also a low yielding tourist beach market route. When there are limited A330s in the QF fleet which are better utilised on higher yielding routes, it leaves the 737 for the beach markets.


The bigger issue is the ultra-restrictive bilateral between Indonesia and Australia regarding DPS flights. See the recent news articles about extra allocation of seats? Qf want the final free seats to make SYD seasonal A330, VA have applied to put MEL double daily. Not as simple as upgrading certain routes to wide bodies as far as DPS goes.

If I recall correctly both SYD/MEL-DPS were A330 pre-covid…


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Only SYD-DPS was A330 from memory, and it was using the sole remaining sloped-flat Skybed configured a/c for most of the pre-covid era..
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