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Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:37 pm

Possible start of a government (Army) run national carrier to start in 2023. Could the government of Mexico perhaps wash out the debts of previous MX and raise it from the ashes?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-presi ... 47628.html
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:46 pm

The MX IATA airline code that was originally assigned to Mexicana has now been re-assigned to Breeze Airways in the U.S.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:52 pm

jplatts wrote:
The MX IATA airline code that was originally assigned to Mexicana has now been re-assigned to Breeze Airways in the U.S.


Thank you for that.

It would be cool to see Mexicana fly again, but I wonder if Mexico really needs another airline?
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:57 pm

They won't be flying to the USA until Mexico gets that FAA aviation safety rating back up to category 1.
I think that should be a priority over starting a new airline.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:53 pm

DaveMetroD wrote:
They won't be flying to the USA until Mexico gets that FAA aviation safety rating back up to category 1.
I think that should be a priority over starting a new airline.


The current Mexican Government has zero common sense.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:48 pm

There is zero chance of this happening and I'm sure Aeromexico could formulate some very strong objections as well as the low cost carriers. Seems more like a distraction project.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:20 pm

jplatts wrote:
The MX IATA airline code that was originally assigned to Mexicana has now been re-assigned to Breeze Airways in the U.S.

This doesn't preclude a new Mexicana from forming and operating. They'd just receive a new code.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:39 pm

then you have this.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 021-12-04/

Interjet wanting to restart as well.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:49 pm

Oh lordy. I actually kind of liked Interjet (never flew them). With inflation beginning to hit consumer pocketbooks, I wonder how successful even the best-run new entrant could actually be?
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:21 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
then you have this.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 021-12-04/

Interjet wanting to restart as well.

OT but would interjet be successful in Mexico if they ran a Southwest style LCC operation instead of a ULCC operation?
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:44 pm

Mexico is in need of a new carrier. I hear a lot of Mexicans don't like flying Volaris, Viva and even AM.. Hopefully Mexicana returns and with it great classic service. People still remember them.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:55 pm

The Sukhoi’s were a poor choice of aircraft for Interjet
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:11 am

AMLO needs to stop micro managing airlines and airports in Mexico and focus on the bigger tasks he has at hand. His fascination with the military running civilian airports and airlines is weird. Needs to set his hobbies aside and tackle real issues. Of if he wants to dabble in aviation, how about addressing mexican military aviation safety?
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:30 am

It's not clear why the Mexican government needs to own a carrier that could lose millions when they have so many other problems to address. Aeromexico already serves as the country's carrier of reference, so it's not clear where Mexicana would have a niche in the market, and AM, Y4 and VB already serve the Mexican market well. It would be wonderful to see the old Mexicana back, but what's not so wonderful is that there would likely be little new demand they could generate to keep flying. Unfortunately, the industry has since changed to one where most of the demand is flocking to ULCC products, and other carriers already have a corner on the market. The legacies continue to parcel out things like baggage and seat selection to cater to that market, and we'll only see more of that in the future.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:31 am

The entire reason for this so that there will be an airline forced to use AMLO’s disastrous new Mexico City airport as their hub.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:33 am

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
AMLO needs to stop micro managing airlines and airports in Mexico and focus on the bigger tasks he has at hand. His fascination with the military running civilian airports and airlines is weird. Needs to set his hobbies aside and tackle real issues. Of if he wants to dabble in aviation, how about addressing mexican military aviation safety?


100% agree!
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:35 am

DKNEF wrote:
Mexico is in need of a new carrier. I hear a lot of Mexicans don't like flying Volaris, Viva and even AM.. Hopefully Mexicana returns and with it great classic service. People still remember them.


Nop, Mexico doesn´t need more air carrier capacity. Mexican airlines need to be able to return back to profitability.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:26 am

The aviation fan in me would be happy to see Mexicana back. I loved it when Pan Am (in name at least) returned, love that Eastern (in name at least) has returned and Prinair (in name at least) is back...but if they return as others say, Mexico is already well served...I'd give them one year. I'd wish them buena suerte though!!
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:46 am

The last thing Mexico needs (if only for transparency's sake) is the army/secretary of defense managing an airline and, as reported elsewhere, hotels and tourism facilities, as it is done in Cuba. Terrible idea but in line with the current Mexican administration's ideology.

https://www.vallartadaily.com/militariz ... -industry/
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:28 am

TWA772LR wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
then you have this.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 021-12-04/

Interjet wanting to restart as well.

OT but would interjet be successful in Mexico if they ran a Southwest style LCC operation instead of a ULCC operation?


Interjet wasn’t really a ULCC. Their product was very much like JetBlue, or at least what JetBlue was like 10 years ago. Industry leading legroom, first bag free, free snacks and drinks etc. They would probably have been much more successful as a true ULCC, more like Volaris.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:14 pm

dcajet wrote:
The last thing Mexico needs (if only for transparency's sake) is the army/secretary of defense managing an airline and, as reported elsewhere, hotels and tourism facilities, as it is done in Cuba. Terrible idea but in line with the current Mexican administration's ideology.

https://www.vallartadaily.com/militariz ... -industry/


we already have the Guardia Nacional taking over policing services in many towns and cities and as highway patrol. the though process there is that group is less likely to be bribed and corrupted by Cartels. (some truth to that as in Guaymas Sonora Mexico the chief of police was assisinated and found to be driving a very late model stolen Mercedes and we did have a series of violent car jackings on the new bypasses of I-15 in Sonora, with the state police unable or unwilling to address it... so yeah, sometimes temporary policing at the national level is needed to set things straight.). but military presence in all facets of society starts to reak of totalitarism; undesireable in a democratic republic.

miliatry involvement in otherwise free market commercial industries (travel, hospitality, tourist destinations, etc...) is too much concentration of power. no worries, the next president will undo all of it. mexico gets re-invented every 6 years...
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:39 pm

Rumor is that it now will be called Pejicana de Aviación.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:06 pm

moronic idea. the Mexican government has botched their involvement with the national flag carrier(s) for decades, and the airport infrastructure, regulatory environment, and general oversight are all completely disconnected. people have been talking about the resurrection of Mexicana since 2010 (aka when it folded) and it's not going to happen.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:26 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
then you have this.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 021-12-04/

Interjet wanting to restart as well.

OT but would interjet be successful in Mexico if they ran a Southwest style LCC operation instead of a ULCC operation?


Interjet wasn’t really a ULCC. Their product was very much like JetBlue, or at least what JetBlue was like 10 years ago. Industry leading legroom, first bag free, free snacks and drinks etc. They would probably have been much more successful as a true ULCC, more like Volaris.


Interjet could had performed better should they had a better management, specially in terms of HR and Customer Service, specially on their reservations and airport departments and should they had avoided the Superjet tentation.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:26 pm

usdcaguy wrote:
It's not clear why the Mexican government needs to own a carrier that could lose millions when they have so many other problems to address. Aeromexico already serves as the country's carrier of reference, so it's not clear where Mexicana would have a niche in the market, and AM, Y4 and VB already serve the Mexican market well. It would be wonderful to see the old Mexicana back, but what's not so wonderful is that there would likely be little new demand they could generate to keep flying. Unfortunately, the industry has since changed to one where most of the demand is flocking to ULCC products, and other carriers already have a corner on the market. The legacies continue to parcel out things like baggage and seat selection to cater to that market, and we'll only see more of that in the future.

MIt Depends on what and WHY the Mexican Govt. wants to own an airline run by the Military. . We might not see the sense in it (and I don't) But? Since none of us vote down in Mexico? We wouldn't know. would we?
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:59 pm

CMA727 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
OT but would interjet be successful in Mexico if they ran a Southwest style LCC operation instead of a ULCC operation?


Interjet wasn’t really a ULCC. Their product was very much like JetBlue, or at least what JetBlue was like 10 years ago. Industry leading legroom, first bag free, free snacks and drinks etc. They would probably have been much more successful as a true ULCC, more like Volaris.


Interjet could had performed better should they had a better management, specially in terms of HR and Customer Service, specially on their reservations and airport departments and should they had avoided the Superjet tentation.

Probably the single biggest thing besides normal management drama was the Superjet dilemma. Can't run an airline if you have over half of a fleet type grounded, even if they were practically free.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:47 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
It's not clear why the Mexican government needs to own a carrier that could lose millions when they have so many other problems to address. Aeromexico already serves as the country's carrier of reference, so it's not clear where Mexicana would have a niche in the market, and AM, Y4 and VB already serve the Mexican market well. It would be wonderful to see the old Mexicana back, but what's not so wonderful is that there would likely be little new demand they could generate to keep flying. Unfortunately, the industry has since changed to one where most of the demand is flocking to ULCC products, and other carriers already have a corner on the market. The legacies continue to parcel out things like baggage and seat selection to cater to that market, and we'll only see more of that in the future.

MIt Depends on what and WHY the Mexican Govt. wants to own an airline run by the Military. . We might not see the sense in it (and I don't) But? Since none of us vote down in Mexico? We wouldn't know. would we?


Well I'm a Mexican citizen so my comments reflect an informed opinion. Mexico does not need a state owned carrier operated by the military. It's an AMLO ego project...
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:05 pm

Starting a new airline won’t create more money for the industry as a while. Certainly not in Mexico. It just shuffles money away from current carriers unless you “Induce demand” and creates another loser, but 1. That’s not what Mexicana would be doing, and 2. I don’t believe there’s much to induce in Mexico already.

The winners of a new carrier of course, are the customers.

…. And May Mexicana’s fleet be all a220s!!
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:23 pm

Quick question on the topic of Mexican carriers. Why have they given up on the high demand leisure destinations like PVR, SJD, CUN and the likes from the US as they did up until the early 2000’s? Seems that they only fly from the US to places like MEX, GDL, MTY.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:35 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Quick question on the topic of Mexican carriers. Why have they given up on the high demand leisure destinations like PVR, SJD, CUN and the likes from the US as they did up until the early 2000’s? Seems that they only fly from the US to places like MEX, GDL, MTY.


American tourists are less likely to fly a Mexican carrier over a US carrier when given the two head-to-head on short haul routes (fly who you are familiar with). AM benefits in that it offers a more full-service carrier but the choice to fly Y4 skews heavily Mexican POS or those visiting family in Mexico.

MEX, GDL and MTY are also massive population centers for Mexico so it makes sense for the Mexican carriers to fly those routes.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:16 pm

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
It's not clear why the Mexican government needs to own a carrier that could lose millions when they have so many other problems to address. Aeromexico already serves as the country's carrier of reference, so it's not clear where Mexicana would have a niche in the market, and AM, Y4 and VB already serve the Mexican market well. It would be wonderful to see the old Mexicana back, but what's not so wonderful is that there would likely be little new demand they could generate to keep flying. Unfortunately, the industry has since changed to one where most of the demand is flocking to ULCC products, and other carriers already have a corner on the market. The legacies continue to parcel out things like baggage and seat selection to cater to that market, and we'll only see more of that in the future.

MIt Depends on what and WHY the Mexican Govt. wants to own an airline run by the Military. . We might not see the sense in it (and I don't) But? Since none of us vote down in Mexico? We wouldn't know. would we?


Well I'm a Mexican citizen so my comments reflect an informed opinion. Mexico does not need a state owned carrier operated by the military. It's an AMLO ego project...


Well said!!!
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:13 pm

Maybe AMLO is still looking for a use for their Boeing 787 TP-01 Private Presidential Jet. You know the one AMLO held up as a poster child for unnecessary government expenditures, citing himself as the Austere candidate? And has been trying to sell for years (Argentina said no thanks). Also killed the Texcoco Airport project, leaving a HUGE partially built scar on the landscape and started a new one at Felipe Angles (a military base)... Now wants to startup a military run Airline (ala Mexicana)... And take over the Mayan Train Project... Because these military overreaches spell Austerity??

So the world according to AMLO:
Expenditures by Democratically Elected Officials BAD (how dare he lease a plane at a time when Mexico was trying to assert itself as a nation to be taken seriously as it negotiated massive bi-lateral trade agreements)
Expenditures that favor entrenched Military Officials GOOD (lets buy lots of planes and build a new airport directly controlled by the military via a commercial entity Olmeca-Maya-Mexica, cuz we don't like the exisiting privately held ones becuase we don't absolutely control them... oh and lets take over trains too... yeah those too... )

It's weird.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pm

Reports out that the new airline would be called "Mexica" and based on nationalizing the financially troubled Aeromar.

Plans calls for creating the regional airline with initial bases in new Mexico City airport, and Tulum, and later at other smaller airports which the military plans to operate.

https://www.reportur.com/sin-categoria/ ... eromexico/
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:29 pm

AMLO just has 2 more years in power. Even if he starts it up, it will be a fledgling carrier and his successor will kill it.. I hope.
 
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Re: Return Of Mexicana?

Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:32 pm

So, here's the news:
https://www.elimparcial.com/mexico/-El- ... -0047.html

So the President of Mexico (AMLO) has gifted the Presidential Plane (787-8) he's been trying to hock for 4 years to the Military for their new Passenger and Cargo Airline.

Yes, this Airline, run by the military, is going to launch cargo and passenger ops with a fully decked out presidential jet. You can't make this stuff up!

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