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atrude777
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Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:53 pm

Good Afternoon All-

I had to figure out the title and I hope this is the most accurate.

CommuetAir LLC has filed for Charter Services, 49 USC. In the filing, they request the ability to operate charter flights for intrastate. Additionally, while not a surprise to most, it mentions adding the E175 to the certificate as well.

Curiously, CommuteAir filed to have things become confidential going forward as well.

CommuteAir LLC Filing and Request for Confidentiality:

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0125-0001

Outloud Questions to Consider: Is this the works of reducing the 50 Seat Flying, and growing CommuteAir with E175's?

Answer: Although CommuteAir does not intend to operate “covered flight segments” within
the meaning of 14 C.F.R. § 243.3 for the foreseeable future, it will cause to be filed a
statement of passenger manifest procedures in DOT-OST-1998-3305


Discuss away, and thought this was interesting to share!

Alex
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:19 pm

atrude777 wrote:
CommuetAir LLC has filed for Charter Services, 49 USC. In the filing, they request the ability to operate charter flights for intrastate. Additionally, while not a surprise to most, it mentions adding the E175 to the certificate as well.



CommuteAir is a licensed as a commuter carrier, which are limited to flying 60-seat airplanes. In order to operate anything larger, it must go through a fitness determination and receive a "Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity" (like American, Delta and the rest). Every commuter airline that flew CRJ 200s and upgraded to CRJ-700s had to do this. Same for ATR42s upgrading to ATR72s.

So there is obviously some handwriting on the wall that CommuteAir will operate ERJ 175s, and it's trying to get a jump on the certification process.

atrude777 wrote:
Curiously, CommuteAir filed to have things become confidential going forward as well.


Not curious, but accompanies nearly every DOT application for certificate authority. It doesn't want to disclose its business plan and finances to the public.
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:42 pm

I checked their website, and this is definitely a side operation of Cummutair. Cool to see a regional going in to branded ops again, I hope they have better luck than ExpressJet did. The US needs more true regionals like Silver.
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:09 pm

Why has nobody in this thread managed to spell CommutAir correctly yet? (:
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:52 pm

bluecrew wrote:
Why has nobody in this thread managed to spell CommutAir correctly yet? (:


They actually changed it to CommuteAir as part of a rebranding a couple weeks ago

http://www.commuteair.com
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:23 am

bluecrew wrote:
Why has nobody in this thread managed to spell CommutAir correctly yet? (:


They updated their name in July apparently
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... rand-names
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:34 am

Intrastate charters? That kind of limits possibilities....
Unless the op meant interstate.
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:45 am

bluecrew wrote:
Why has nobody in this thread managed to spell CommutAir correctly yet? (:


It is spelled CommuteAir, but I did space the two words accidentally.

CommuteAir is correct.

sprxUSA wrote:
Intrastate charters? That kind of limits possibilities....
Unless the op meant interstate.


I did mean Interstate. I even checked that twice to make sure I used the correct wording.

My apologies for the confusion.

Alex
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:46 am

atrude777 wrote:
charter flights for intrastate.


Correction: This should say Interstate.

Alex
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:04 am

MO11 wrote:
So there is obviously some handwriting on the wall that CommuteAir will operate ERJ 175s, and it's trying to get a jump on the certification process.


They're eventually going to have to operate something other than the E145XR; the fleet is approaching 20 years of age on average and it probably makes sense to upgauge to the E175 to get more ASMs per pilot as long as industry wages remain too low to attract sufficient new pilots to the profession.
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:36 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
bluecrew wrote:
Why has nobody in this thread managed to spell CommutAir correctly yet? (:


They updated their name in July apparently
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... rand-names

It was a joke, more referencing the person who spelt it Cummutair
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:27 pm

bluecrew wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
bluecrew wrote:
Why has nobody in this thread managed to spell CommutAir correctly yet? (:


They updated their name in July apparently
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... rand-names

It was a joke, more referencing the person who spelt it Cummutair


:lol: :lol: I think my brain read it currently and completely overlooked the misspelling
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:40 pm

ScottB wrote:
MO11 wrote:
So there is obviously some handwriting on the wall that CommuteAir will operate ERJ 175s, and it's trying to get a jump on the certification process.


They're eventually going to have to operate something other than the E145XR; the fleet is approaching 20 years of age on average and it probably makes sense to upgauge to the E175 to get more ASMs per pilot as long as industry wages remain too low to attract sufficient new pilots to the profession.

It would require moving the jets from another UAX carrier. I’d imagine they’re close to the scope limits on large RJs at this point. Question is then “who?”.
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:23 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
ScottB wrote:
MO11 wrote:
So there is obviously some handwriting on the wall that CommuteAir will operate ERJ 175s, and it's trying to get a jump on the certification process.


They're eventually going to have to operate something other than the E145XR; the fleet is approaching 20 years of age on average and it probably makes sense to upgauge to the E175 to get more ASMs per pilot as long as industry wages remain too low to attract sufficient new pilots to the profession.

It would require moving the jets from another UAX carrier. I’d imagine they’re close to the scope limits on large RJs at this point. Question is then “who?”.

Only one guess…

United is still looking for someone to operate the 550’s.
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:26 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
ScottB wrote:

They're eventually going to have to operate something other than the E145XR; the fleet is approaching 20 years of age on average and it probably makes sense to upgauge to the E175 to get more ASMs per pilot as long as industry wages remain too low to attract sufficient new pilots to the profession.

It would require moving the jets from another UAX carrier. I’d imagine they’re close to the scope limits on large RJs at this point. Question is then “who?”.


Maybe some of the 17 United-owned airplanes that are sitting at Kingman.
 
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Re: Commute Air LLC Files for Charter Services

Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:52 am

MO11 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
ScottB wrote:

They're eventually going to have to operate something other than the E145XR; the fleet is approaching 20 years of age on average and it probably makes sense to upgauge to the E175 to get more ASMs per pilot as long as industry wages remain too low to attract sufficient new pilots to the profession.

It would require moving the jets from another UAX carrier. I’d imagine they’re close to the scope limits on large RJs at this point. Question is then “who?”.


Maybe some of the 17 United-owned airplanes that are sitting at Kingman.


That would be my guess as well, but all 20 of them, not just 17. Those are the 12F/58Y - E75SC aircraft.

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