Australian Aviation Thread - November 2022

pusserchef · Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:23 am

With the recent acquisition of Airwork by a Chinese company from a New Zealand firm, will this make any difference to its operations within Australia?

evanb · Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:35 am

LTEN11 wrote:
pommy80 wrote:
Cathay Pacific Cargo to operate a weekly service from Darwin to Hong Kong, named the "Mango Express". Runs for 5 weeks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022- ... /101612112

I love the fact that a 77W can carry 50000 kgs for freight, it is a beast.

Sure, if you're carrying no pax and only flying 2,300nm. Most widebodies could carry the weight on an empty shortish run like that. The A333 would get close, an A332 can purely on payload. The more challenging part would actually be volume and floor strength, not payload limitations.

The B77W can take 14 pallets and about 57t (max structural weight for cargo based on floor strength and pallet limits - not performance related). To put into perspective, a B789 could actually take 60t, but only 11 pallets. A332 and A333, 8 and 10 pallets, 40t and 44t (some older ones a little less). Another challenge is that each pallet has a maximum weight, but that is generally higher than the floor weight.

Aviator34ID · Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:52 am

How do I contact the Mod for this thread?

redroo · Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:15 am

evanb wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
pommy80 wrote:
Cathay Pacific Cargo to operate a weekly service from Darwin to Hong Kong, named the "Mango Express". Runs for 5 weeks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022- ... /101612112

I love the fact that a 77W can carry 50000 kgs for freight, it is a beast.

Sure, if you're carrying no pax and only flying 2,300nm. Most widebodies could carry the weight on an empty shortish run like that. The A333 would get close, an A332 can purely on payload. The more challenging part would actually be volume and floor strength, not payload limitations.

The B77W can take 14 pallets and about 57t (max structural weight for cargo based on floor strength and pallet limits - not performance related). To put into perspective, a B789 could actually take 60t, but only 11 pallets. A332 and A333, 8 and 10 pallets, 40t and 44t (some older ones a little less). Another challenge is that each pallet has a maximum weight, but that is generally higher than the floor weight.

It’s impressive.

It’s hard to visualise what 57 tonnes looks like. 57 small cars squeezed into the lower deck?

FL420FT · Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:40 am

smi0006 wrote:
utaussiefan wrote:
Jetstar Asia and Changi airport have come to an agreement which will see them move to Terminal 4 by mid March after initially stating they had no intentions of moving.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapo ... ?cid=FBcna

That’s a shame for lounges access and interlining with QF. Will Scoot be down there too?

I wonder hutch traffic transfers between QF/3K

Yes, the interline of traffic will be a big stumbling block. 3K to QF or vv transfers can be made in less than 45 minutes (sometimes less if asked nicely). With the move to T4, this will push the transfer time out significantly, suspect, possibly double.

TN486T · Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:57 am

Can someone explain to me the reasons behind 3K being transferred to T4? How is 3K doing anyway? I seem to think?? that they are an afterthought these days.

utaussiefan · Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:32 am

TN486T wrote:
Can someone explain to me the reasons behind 3K being transferred to T4? How is 3K doing anyway? I seem to think?? that they are an afterthought these days.

Their fleet has been reduced by half compared to pre-covid. The reason they are moving them is due to T4 being more conducive to LCC's with more narrow body gates compared to T1. Compared to Scoot, they are very much an afterthought.

VirginFlyer · Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:35 pm

pusserchef wrote:
With the recent acquisition of Airwork by a Chinese company from a New Zealand firm, will this make any difference to its operations within Australia?

Recent? It was five years ago. This article is from 8th November 2017: https://www.nbr.co.nz/airwork-to-delist ... -takeover/

V/F

NZ516 · Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:39 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
pusserchef wrote:
With the recent acquisition of Airwork by a Chinese company from a New Zealand firm, will this make any difference to its operations within Australia?

Recent? It was five years ago. This article is from 8th November 2017: https://www.nbr.co.nz/airwork-to-delist ... -takeover/

V/F

Yes 2017 and they have kept the operation based in Auckland and all aircraft remain on the NZ register. So I think it's no change to their flight operations.

Aviator34ID · Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:44 pm

World's oldest helicopter operating out of Perth yesterday - 2022 years old!

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waoz1 · Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:47 am

Reports Batik Air flight out of Perth aborts takeoff due to sensor malfunction

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/batik-ai ... -c-8775552

gpasternak · Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:32 am

Can't find this announced in the thread....Virgin and Singapore Airlines return to codesharing flights. https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... re-flights

Obzerva · Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:18 am

Believe it was mentioned on a previous month's thread. there was a QF vs VA tussle for the last 172 seats open on the Australia-DPS route.
VA were asking for the extra seats for an additional weekly MEL-DPS.
QF were asking for a sometime upgrade for SYD-DPS from a 737 to an A330.

QF withdrew their application, and VA has been awarded for the next 5 years.

qf2220 · Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:41 am

Obzerva wrote:
Believe it was mentioned on a previous month's thread. there was a QF vs VA tussle for the last 172 seats open on the Australia-DPS route.
VA were asking for the extra seats for an additional weekly MEL-DPS.
QF were asking for a sometime upgrade for SYD-DPS from a 737 to an A330.

QF withdrew their application, and VA has been awarded for the next 5 years.

Interesting that QF withdrew.

qf2220 · Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:42 am

Obzerva wrote:
Believe it was mentioned on a previous month's thread. there was a QF vs VA tussle for the last 172 seats open on the Australia-DPS route.
VA were asking for the extra seats for an additional weekly MEL-DPS.
QF were asking for a sometime upgrade for SYD-DPS from a 737 to an A330.

QF withdrew their application, and VA has been awarded for the next 5 years.

Cue SQ takeover speculation posts.

tullamarine · Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:57 am

qf2220 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Believe it was mentioned on a previous month's thread. there was a QF vs VA tussle for the last 172 seats open on the Australia-DPS route.
VA were asking for the extra seats for an additional weekly MEL-DPS.
QF were asking for a sometime upgrade for SYD-DPS from a 737 to an A330.

QF withdrew their application, and VA has been awarded for the next 5 years.

Cue SQ takeover speculation posts.

What does an extra VA flight between MEL-DPS have to do with a takeover offer from SQ?

LoganTheBogan · Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:59 am

Does anyone have any info on VH-ZPA? She came into WGA on the 22nd after suffering an engine failure on approach and has been grounded ever since.

Does CASA require the aircraft to remain on ground for an investigation?

smi0006 · Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:01 am

Well down to crew - but less than ideal PR/Coverage for QF at a time like this….

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101631418

smi0006 · Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:21 am

Qantas has also sold its remaining 12% stake in Hello-world for 33mil. Apart from Loyalty, Jetstar group, and FJ outside - they are down to core airlines? Or red dot data or something?

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... elloworld/

QuayWeeAir · Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:42 pm

Nice little piece on ACA about Bonza....

https://amp.nine.com.au/article/1aa2fcd ... 35b70e9757

RyanairGuru · Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:50 pm

smi0006 wrote:
Qantas has also sold its remaining 12% stake in Hello-world for 33mil. Apart from Loyalty, Jetstar group, and FJ outside - they are down to core airlines? Or red dot data or something?

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... elloworld/

They purchased a 51% stake in Tripadeal earlier this year, so still have some presence in the retail travel market.

Also don’t forget Alliance (20%).

LoganTheBogan · Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Does anyone have any info on VH-ZPA? She came into WGA on the 22nd September after suffering an engine failure on approach and has been grounded ever since.

Does CASA require the aircraft to remain on ground for an investigation?

SCFlyer · Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:11 am

VA set to strengthen partnerships with HA, AC and NH with codeshare and reciprocation benefits, joining the 'Big 3' of QR, UA and SQ.

This leaves the question of the futures of VA's 'secondary' partners of EY, SA, VS, HNA group, etc if they will be 'sticking around' as VFF partners.

The HNA carriers and VS aren't likely to be flying to Australia for the foreseeable future (if at all), SA's future in the long-haul international space is still under a cloud and EY is 'just there' as VA promotes QR over them.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... n-airlines

qf2220 · Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:09 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Believe it was mentioned on a previous month's thread. there was a QF vs VA tussle for the last 172 seats open on the Australia-DPS route.
VA were asking for the extra seats for an additional weekly MEL-DPS.
QF were asking for a sometime upgrade for SYD-DPS from a 737 to an A330.

QF withdrew their application, and VA has been awarded for the next 5 years.

Cue SQ takeover speculation posts.

What does an extra VA flight between MEL-DPS have to do with a takeover offer from SQ?

Sorry quoted wrong post. I meant to quote the SQ restarting codeshares with VA post.

qf2220 · Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:10 am

smi0006 wrote:
Qantas has also sold its remaining 12% stake in Hello-world for 33mil. Apart from Loyalty, Jetstar group, and FJ outside - they are down to core airlines? Or red dot data or something?

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... elloworld/

Is Loyalty a separate entity or still part of QAL?

Obzerva · Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:10 pm

SCFlyer wrote:
VA set to strengthen partnerships with HA, AC and NH with codeshare and reciprocation benefits, joining the 'Big 3' of QR, UA and SQ.

This leaves the question of the futures of VA's 'secondary' partners of EY, SA, VS, HNA group, etc if they will be 'sticking around' as VFF partners.

The HNA carriers and VS aren't likely to be flying to Australia for the foreseeable future (if at all), SA's future in the long-haul international space is still under a cloud and EY is 'just there' as VA promotes QR over them.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... n-airlines

The EY one is interesting.

EY has always been more successful when it has an Australian partner.
From the VA perspective, if VA put zero promotion in to EY being a partner, but EY is still happy to stump up the cash to Virgin to essentially buy Velocity points from Virgin, I'm not sure what benefit there would be in VA in ending the agreement.
It's a revenue stream where they don't have to put any effort in to, it just kind of sits there doing it's thing.

qf2048 · Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:55 pm

Just in the Sydney qantas club. Can see a ZL 737 in the qf hanger (245)

tullamarine · Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:52 pm

Obzerva wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
VA set to strengthen partnerships with HA, AC and NH with codeshare and reciprocation benefits, joining the 'Big 3' of QR, UA and SQ.

This leaves the question of the futures of VA's 'secondary' partners of EY, SA, VS, HNA group, etc if they will be 'sticking around' as VFF partners.

The HNA carriers and VS aren't likely to be flying to Australia for the foreseeable future (if at all), SA's future in the long-haul international space is still under a cloud and EY is 'just there' as VA promotes QR over them.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... n-airlines

The EY one is interesting.

EY has always been more successful when it has an Australian partner.
From the VA perspective, if VA put zero promotion in to EY being a partner, but EY is still happy to stump up the cash to Virgin to essentially buy Velocity points from Virgin, I'm not sure what benefit there would be in VA in ending the agreement.
It's a revenue stream where they don't have to put any effort in to, it just kind of sits there doing it's thing.

Of all the current partners, you would think VS would be the most likely to, at some point, exit from Velocity. VS is effectively controlled by DL who is no longer a Velocity partner. VS has also reoriented its network so it is almost exclusively trans-Atlantic. There are few routes that VS now offers that UA cannot fulfil.

I agree EY will probably remain. It is a low-cost arrangement for both and would only be under threat if Qatar firmly pushed back which they obviously haven't.

SA will remain though, until they get their operations sorted out, it is in an effective hiatus.

LoganTheBogan · Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:52 pm

qf2048 wrote:
Just in the Sydney qantas club. Can see a ZL 737 in the qf hanger (245)

Rex has a couple of 737s AOG which has lead to multiple domestic cancellations over the last three days. My guess is they’ve desperately made an agreement with QF to repair a cracked windshield on one of them.

F100Flyer · Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:18 am

VA9081 F100 PER-OCM (Boolgeeda) currently circling off the Perth coast straight after takeoff. I don’t have access to squawk codes but is number 1 tracked in the world so assuming some kind of - without putting a media spin on it - emergency.

tullamarine · Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:31 am

F100Flyer wrote:
VA9081 F100 PER-OCM (Boolgeeda) currently circling off the Perth coast straight after takeoff. I don’t have access to squawk codes but is number 1 tracked in the world so assuming some kind of - without putting a media spin on it - emergency.

Can a F100 dump fuel or does it have to burn a bit to get back down to a safe landing weight? I assume the latter given it is flying under 6000 feet.

SCFlyer · Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:44 am

tullamarine wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
VA set to strengthen partnerships with HA, AC and NH with codeshare and reciprocation benefits, joining the 'Big 3' of QR, UA and SQ.

This leaves the question of the futures of VA's 'secondary' partners of EY, SA, VS, HNA group, etc if they will be 'sticking around' as VFF partners.

The HNA carriers and VS aren't likely to be flying to Australia for the foreseeable future (if at all), SA's future in the long-haul international space is still under a cloud and EY is 'just there' as VA promotes QR over them.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... n-airlines

The EY one is interesting.

EY has always been more successful when it has an Australian partner.
From the VA perspective, if VA put zero promotion in to EY being a partner, but EY is still happy to stump up the cash to Virgin to essentially buy Velocity points from Virgin, I'm not sure what benefit there would be in VA in ending the agreement.
It's a revenue stream where they don't have to put any effort in to, it just kind of sits there doing it's thing.

Of all the current partners, you would think VS would be the most likely to, at some point, exit from Velocity. VS is effectively controlled by DL who is no longer a Velocity partner. VS has also reoriented its network so it is almost exclusively trans-Atlantic. There are few routes that VS now offers that UA cannot fulfil.

I agree EY will probably remain. It is a low-cost arrangement for both and would only be under threat if Qatar firmly pushed back which they obviously haven't.

Either that, or if ZL approaches EY with an offer they can't refuse. Saying that ZL approaching EY is unlikely at this stage, but we'll never know with the partnership surprises across the world in the past 12 months.

LTEN11 · Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:44 am

tullamarine wrote:
F100Flyer wrote:
VA9081 F100 PER-OCM (Boolgeeda) currently circling off the Perth coast straight after takeoff. I don’t have access to squawk codes but is number 1 tracked in the world so assuming some kind of - without putting a media spin on it - emergency.

Can a F100 dump fuel or does it have to burn a bit to get back down to a safe landing weight? I assume the latter given it is flying under 6000 feet.

If it was seriousness enough they wouldn't be worrying about getting the weight down, so can't be too urgent.

F100Flyer · Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:51 am

LTEN11 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
F100Flyer wrote:
VA9081 F100 PER-OCM (Boolgeeda) currently circling off the Perth coast straight after takeoff. I don’t have access to squawk codes but is number 1 tracked in the world so assuming some kind of - without putting a media spin on it - emergency.

Can a F100 dump fuel or does it have to burn a bit to get back down to a safe landing weight? I assume the latter given it is flying under 6000 feet.

If it was seriousness enough they wouldn't be worrying about getting the weight down, so can't be too urgent.

Yes true. I’ve been on a F100 which had some kind of fault, and has circled off the coast until it was of suitable weight - so assuming, no it doesn’t have a dump facility.

Velocity7 · Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:11 am

LTEN11 wrote:

If it was seriousness enough they wouldn't be worrying about getting the weight down, so can't be too urgent.

Was wondering why it circled for so long but then it was probably tankering fuel for the return as welll? Not sure if these mining towns are equipped to refuel?

jrfspa320 · Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:22 am

Velocity7 wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:

If it was seriousness enough they wouldn't be worrying about getting the weight down, so can't be too urgent.

Was wondering why it circled for so long but then it was probably tankering fuel for the return as welll? Not sure if these mining towns are equipped to refuel?

Most can refuel but usually far cheaper to tanker for the return

tristans · Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:24 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:

If it was seriousness enough they wouldn't be worrying about getting the weight down, so can't be too urgent.

Was wondering why it circled for so long but then it was probably tankering fuel for the return as welll? Not sure if these mining towns are equipped to refuel?

Most can refuel but usually far cheaper to tanker for the return

Perhaps they were troubleshooting an issue? I tried LiveATC but couldn't hear anything.

tullamarine · Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:50 am

SCFlyer wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Obzerva wrote:

The EY one is interesting.

EY has always been more successful when it has an Australian partner.
From the VA perspective, if VA put zero promotion in to EY being a partner, but EY is still happy to stump up the cash to Virgin to essentially buy Velocity points from Virgin, I'm not sure what benefit there would be in VA in ending the agreement.
It's a revenue stream where they don't have to put any effort in to, it just kind of sits there doing it's thing.

Of all the current partners, you would think VS would be the most likely to, at some point, exit from Velocity. VS is effectively controlled by DL who is no longer a Velocity partner. VS has also reoriented its network so it is almost exclusively trans-Atlantic. There are few routes that VS now offers that UA cannot fulfil.

I agree EY will probably remain. It is a low-cost arrangement for both and would only be under threat if Qatar firmly pushed back which they obviously haven't.

Either that, or if ZL approaches EY with an offer they can't refuse. Saying that ZL approaching EY is unlikely at this stage, but we'll never know with the partnership surprises across the world in the past 12 months.

What have ZL got to offer EY? It has a very small network and a non-existent loyalty base. In contrast. VA offers an extensive network and a loyalty base of over 10m members.

log0008 · Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:42 am

Obzerva wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
VA set to strengthen partnerships with HA, AC and NH with codeshare and reciprocation benefits, joining the 'Big 3' of QR, UA and SQ.

This leaves the question of the futures of VA's 'secondary' partners of EY, SA, VS, HNA group, etc if they will be 'sticking around' as VFF partners.

The HNA carriers and VS aren't likely to be flying to Australia for the foreseeable future (if at all), SA's future in the long-haul international space is still under a cloud and EY is 'just there' as VA promotes QR over them.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... n-airlines

The EY one is interesting.

EY has always been more successful when it has an Australian partner.
From the VA perspective, if VA put zero promotion in to EY being a partner, but EY is still happy to stump up the cash to Virgin to essentially buy Velocity points from Virgin, I'm not sure what benefit there would be in VA in ending the agreement.
It's a revenue stream where they don't have to put any effort in to, it just kind of sits there doing it's thing.

This is how I see it. EY doesn't really offer VA anything QR doesn't (QR having a bigger network beyond DOH and better Biz product) however EY needs a partner in Australia, thus VA can get away with putting in no effort.

EY's problem is they are the little brother in the ME3 these days, trying to having a partnership with a country with only 2 major carriers.

tristans · Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:48 am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-10/ ... /101638296
Gotta love the media..
It had to "abort" the flight as there was an issue with the flaps, they wouldn't deploy ...hmmm

a320fan · Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:55 am

tristans wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-10/virgin-flight-aborted-off-wa-unplanned-landing-perth-airport/101638296
Gotta love the media..
It had to "abort" the flight as there was an issue with the flaps, they wouldn't deploy ...hmmm

Wow, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. From the radar track it was flying a standard holding pattern yet apparently all the passengers were getting ‘car sick’. And gotta love the bit about the passengers son who had the panic attack so Ubered straight to the airport.

a320fan · Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:05 am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-10/ ... /101639344

Also occurring this morning and a much more significant incident than the Perth F100 was this Link Saab 340 that took off with a ratchet strap used to secure the propeller overnight. The strap penetrated the cabin and caused injury to passengers with one woman taken to hospital.

zkncj · Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:22 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
qf2048 wrote:
Just in the Sydney qantas club. Can see a ZL 737 in the qf hanger (245)

Rex has a couple of 737s AOG which has lead to multiple domestic cancellations over the last three days. My guess is they’ve desperately made an agreement with QF to repair a cracked windshield on one of them.

Airlines sharing repair resources is nothing new, it's apart of there business model usually to pickup work from other airlines.

I seen JQ A320s on NZ hangars many times in AKL/CHC, and from time to time you'll see NZ/JQ sharing A320 parts between each other.

At one point last year there was a NZ A320 lying around with a silver engine cowling, might even still be too.

qf2048 · Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:25 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
qf2048 wrote:
Just in the Sydney qantas club. Can see a ZL 737 in the qf hanger (245)

Rex has a couple of 737s AOG which has lead to multiple domestic cancellations over the last three days. My guess is they’ve desperately made an agreement with QF to repair a cracked windshield on one of them.

That sounds about right. That's the area they look like they were working on.

eamondzhang · Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:30 am

VH-EBF is on its final leg towards DRS as QF7531, as part of a long journey flying SYD-MEL-ADL-PER-SIN-DRS.

I assume this means the end of its career as a pax-carrying A330 and it'll get converted at DRS.

Michael

Fuling · Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:46 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
VH-EBF is on its final leg towards DRS as QF7531, as part of a long journey flying SYD-MEL-ADL-PER-SIN-DRS.

I assume this means the end of its career as a pax-carrying A330 and it'll get converted at DRS.

Michael

Any idea why it made all those short domestic hops before heading to SIN?

NZ516 · Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:51 pm

Fuling wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
VH-EBF is on its final leg towards DRS as QF7531, as part of a long journey flying SYD-MEL-ADL-PER-SIN-DRS.

I assume this means the end of its career as a pax-carrying A330 and it'll get converted at DRS.

Michael

Any idea why it made all those short domestic hops before heading to SIN?

Perhaps it's doing a farewell tour ☺️

tullamarine · Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:58 pm

Fuling wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
VH-EBF is on its final leg towards DRS as QF7531, as part of a long journey flying SYD-MEL-ADL-PER-SIN-DRS.

I assume this means the end of its career as a pax-carrying A330 and it'll get converted at DRS.

Michael

Any idea why it made all those short domestic hops before heading to SIN?

Maybe QF were stripping certain items from the plane along the way which will become rotable spares in the various ports.

RyanairGuru · Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:44 am

tullamarine wrote:
Fuling wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
VH-EBF is on its final leg towards DRS as QF7531, as part of a long journey flying SYD-MEL-ADL-PER-SIN-DRS.

I assume this means the end of its career as a pax-carrying A330 and it'll get converted at DRS.

Michael

Any idea why it made all those short domestic hops before heading to SIN?

Maybe QF were stripping certain items from the plane along the way which will become rotable spares in the various ports.

In that scenario they would be stripped in one go (probably in BNE), catalogued centrally, and then shipped by road or belly cargo. The shipping costs alone would almost certainly be cheaper, before considering the savings in labour cost by not duplicating workflow.

vhqpa · Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:20 am

tristans wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-10/virgin-flight-aborted-off-wa-unplanned-landing-perth-airport/101638296
Gotta love the media..
It had to "abort" the flight as there was an issue with the flaps, they wouldn't deploy ...hmmm

What a train wreck of an article. I can’t work out what was going on.

The article states flaps failed to deploy. If that’s the case then it took off without flaps (not sure how common that is but it’s something the F100 is certified to do at low weights). But then in normal operation the flaps wouldn’t be extended until it was on approach at its destination. So I’m wondering if they took with flaps and had issues retracting them. That would explain the bumpier than normal ride while it was burning off fuel. But then the “super fast landing” is consistent with no flaps. FR24 data shows the aircraft had minor variations in vertical speed almost the entire flight, but you would think a flight control problem with the trim or the elevators would be a “bugger the fuel, get down now!” situation.

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