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AntonioMartin
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Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:46 am

Something I don't see many topics about is...old airlines...pre 21st century ones....I wanna talk plane types, routes, advertising, etc, etc..

What I remember:
Tampa-St Petersburg Airline
Interflug
KILM
Capitol Air
Dominicana
Quisqueyana
Aerolineas Q
Lynjeflyg
East African Airways
British Caledonian
BUA
Air Anglia
Aero Virgin Islands
Western
Braniff
Western Pacific
Pacific
Itavia
United Arab
Varney
Aeronaves de Puerto Rico
Oceanair of Puerto Rico
Sahsa
Mid-Continent (I think became Continental?)
Northeast
The Hawaii Express
Aerovias Guest
Aeroperu
Delag (I think?)
Dereluft (I think?)
Aerocondor of Colombia
ChileInter (I have been trying to find anything about this airline for a Wikipedia article but havent been able to, apparently they flew L-1011s?)
Air America (the charter airline with L-1011s, not the cia one)
Aeropostale
Air Illinois
Air New England
Air Cal
Luft Hansa (pre ww2, not the current one)
Air Haiti
Aviaco
Air Spain
Highland Express
Aeropesca
Torosair

Etc etc....but what were their routes? What planes were used? When? What was their history? Why did they exist? etc etc..

I know I can probably find most of it at Wikipedia (Im one of only 24 editors worldwide who reached the 20 years of editing mark there!) but I want to start a conversation, see your opinions , what you have to say about them and all that!

So, God bless and...let's hear it!!
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:13 am

according to https://airlinehistory.co.uk/airline/ch ... hileinter/ ChileInter flew to Punta Cana, Havana, other Caribbean destinations (I personally presume Montego Bay and/or Santo Domingo), Montréal and London (London!?). Punta Cana, Havana and Montego Bay have been very popular with Chileans since the 80s and 90s, still very popular today for Chileans including now, Cancun. Montréal has been served and ceased by LAN Chile and Ladeco before this airline was founded. Traffic for YMX I'm sure was VFR, Canada in general welcomed a lot of Chilean economical and political refugees during the dictatorship... they have assimilated very well into Québec, rarely coming back to Chile, so I don't think there is much movement between the two pairs anymore; i could be wrong.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:14 am

AntonioMartin wrote:
Something I don't see many topics about is...old airlines...pre 21st century ones....I wanna talk plane types, routes, advertising, etc, etc..

What I remember:
Tampa-St Petersburg Airline
Interflug
KILM
Capitol Air
Dominicana
Quisqueyana
Aerolineas Q
Lynjeflyg
East African Airways
British Caledonian
BUA
Air Anglia
Aero Virgin Islands
Western
Braniff
Western Pacific
Pacific
Itavia
United Arab
Varney
Aeronaves de Puerto Rico
Oceanair of Puerto Rico
Sahsa
Mid-Continent (I think became Continental?)
Northeast
The Hawaii Express
Aerovias Guest
Aeroperu
Delag (I think?)
Dereluft (I think?)
Aerocondor of Colombia
ChileInter (I have been trying to find anything about this airline for a Wikipedia article but havent been able to, apparently they flew L-1011s?)
Air America (the charter airline with L-1011s, not the cia one)
Aeropostale
Air Illinois
Air New England
Air Cal
Luft Hansa (pre ww2, not the current one)
Air Haiti
Aviaco
Air Spain
Highland Express
Aeropesca
Torosair

Etc etc....but what were their routes? What planes were used? When? What was their history? Why did they exist? etc etc..

I know I can probably find most of it at Wikipedia (Im one of only 24 editors worldwide who reached the 20 years of editing mark there!) but I want to start a conversation, see your opinions , what you have to say about them and all that!

So, God bless and...let's hear it!!

Air Illinois’ purchase of SCAT (hold the jokes) and subsequent crash financially doomed them and enabled Britt to grow into their place.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:06 am

Orion Airways... UK Charter Airline based at East Midland Airport, first European operator of the 737-300. ORION served loads of holiday destinations using the type. They also added the A300B4 to their fleet. Later merged with Britannia Airways which is now part of the TUI Group.

This channel produces some great videos on Airlines of the past. Well worth a look.

Expo Aviation https://youtube.com/c/ExpoAviation
Orion Airways Footage https://youtu.be/O8JuSSvBfnM
https://youtu.be/FXKql0YKv40

Also Dan Air https://youtu.be/AY_JxeuAYJ0

And Air Europe...
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:54 am

Cxtl1na wrote:
according to https://airlinehistory.co.uk/airline/ch ... hileinter/ ChileInter flew to Punta Cana, Havana, other Caribbean destinations (I personally presume Montego Bay and/or Santo Domingo), Montréal and London (London!?). Punta Cana, Havana and Montego Bay have been very popular with Chileans since the 80s and 90s, still very popular today for Chileans including now, Cancun. Montréal has been served and ceased by LAN Chile and Ladeco before this airline was founded. Traffic for YMX I'm sure was VFR, Canada in general welcomed a lot of Chilean economical and political refugees during the dictatorship... they have assimilated very well into Québec, rarely coming back to Chile, so I don't think there is much movement between the two pairs anymore; i could be wrong.


Very interesting tidbit, thanks!!!
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:56 am

[/quote]
Air Illinois’ purchase of SCAT (hold the jokes) and subsequent crash financially doomed them and enabled Britt to grow into their place.[/quote]
Im just holding my laughs in right now :D
 
AntonioMartin
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:59 am

Btblue wrote:
Orion Airways... UK Charter Airline based at East Midland Airport, first European operator of the 737-300. ORION served loads of holiday destinations using the type. They also added the A300B4 to their fleet. Later merged with Britannia Airways which is now part of the TUI Group.

This channel produces some great videos on Airlines of the past. Well worth a look.

Expo Aviation https://youtube.com/c/ExpoAviation
Orion Airways Footage https://youtu.be/O8JuSSvBfnM
https://youtu.be/FXKql0YKv40

Also Dan Air https://youtu.be/AY_JxeuAYJ0

And Air Europe...

And now that I remember, there was also another Orion, which used Boeing 747s!

And yes, indeed, good ol' Orion Air of the UK!

Oh and Canada's Ward Air...
Wien Air Alaska
Gulf Air (USA)....
British Air Ferries
Autair..
Flying Tigers...
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:07 pm

Air UK too. Loved their blue paint scheme. I remember Heralds, F27s and EMB110s. I think they served AMS from many regional UK airports
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:19 pm

Hey guys,
Downunder:
Butler's
Hazleton - a personal connection ...
East West
Ansett - the mightiest of them all ...
Take care
Bunumuring
 
AntonioMartin
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:15 pm

jodie wrote:
Air UK too. Loved their blue paint scheme. I remember Heralds, F27s and EMB110s. I think they served AMS from many regional UK airports

Totally! Air UK beautiful livery...and also I think they served the channel islands? And they had Dc-9s towards the end. Shame it didn't last...
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:20 pm

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
Downunder:
Butler's
Hazleton - a personal connection ...
East West
Ansett - the mightiest of them all ...
Take care
Bunumuring

My God! Australia's had so many legendary airlines!
Ive never been outside the Americas but Australia is a country I love from afar and wish I could visit someday!

On the Ansett front, they really weren't pre 21st century since they lasted until 2001. HOWEVER, their heyday had long gone. A shame really because it was a lovely airline with a great livery and so much history!

On a personal note, I spoke with Bob Ansett online not that long ago. From what I've heard, his father Reg wasn't precisely "father of the year". Bob on the other hand is an awesome guy, a very humble man.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:53 pm

Can't leave out PSA with the smile on the nose, a brilliant branding move that's, oddly, rarely replicated.

And Car Cal's prior name, Air California, that initially focused on SNA service to northern California destinations while PSA didn't fly there at all until the early 80s I believe. Likewise, Air California didn't fly to LAX until about the same time.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:47 pm

Which Varney? Or both? Varney Air Lines became United. Varney Speed Lines became Continental. I'll skip the obvious history beyond that.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:59 pm

I always admired Eastern Airlines, especially when they went bare-metal! I loved the L-1011 in their livery! So classic.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:06 pm

National Airlines (N7) based in Las Vegas! I'm fascinated by how much money was poured into this start up by Las Vegas casinos, and even Republic Airways, only for it last less than 4 years.
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:24 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
National Airlines (N7) based in Las Vegas! I'm fascinated by how much money was poured into this start up by Las Vegas casinos, and even Republic Airways, only for it last less than 4 years.

Was offered a dream job at National, ended up turning it down at the last second. A bit more than a year later they were gone.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:15 pm

Shout out to Air New England.
That was my first flight. I was too little to remember it, but it was Cleveland-Boston-Martha's Vineyard. I am assuming it was an F27.

And the short-lived Compass Airlines of Australia (version one).
I flew on an ex-Wardair A310 from Melbourne to Sydney and an A300 on the way back. I think it was AUD $100.
The service was better on Australian/Qantas/TAA and Ansett, but Compass had flights to Perth for less than $100. Who could turn them down?

Lastly, PLUNA. They had the best livery of any airline, ever (Ken Cato design.) It wasn't a particularly memorable flight (Aeroparque to Punta del Este) but the airplane looked fantastic.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:15 pm

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
Downunder:
Butler's
Hazleton - a personal connection ...
East West
Ansett - the mightiest of them all ...
Take care
Bunumuring


Compass (twice I think)
Ozjet
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:58 pm

So many airlines from the 80’s and 90’s that are now long gone… Midway was a treasure trove of unique timetables for a young collector.

My first solo trip was an Air Wisconsin Dash-7 to Chicago, connecting to Northwest Orient to New York.
Others included McClain Airways MDW-LGB, Wein’s short-lived LGA and Denver trips, each once.
Ozark IND-Orlando, Florida Express, Northcoast International from Dayton Municipal, Best from Columbus, Enterprise from CVG on the Citation, Britt, Air Illinois , Air Atlanta, Kiwi, Laker from CVG, Air Toronto on the CV-440 from Indy, Air One from STL, Air Florida, ATA, Air South, Piedmont, America West, Canadian, Branniff II, Pan Am, Carnival/PanAm, and Pan Am III (from Gary/Chicago), the Eastern Midnight Express connecting in Houston, PeopleExpress, Empire, Old Frontier, I could go on and on.

Living on the West Coast for a while gave me the chance to fly several others. (Remember the $9 after 9pm walk up fares?)

Travel was cheap, choices aplenty, I made decent money, had an employee ID part of the time, single with few cares, and I enjoyed adventures. Sometimes I do miss those days.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:36 pm

Here are some Arizona-based or AZ-serving examples:

Apache Airlines (fatal 1971 crash caused shutdown)
Cochise Airlines (1972 successor to Apache)
Havasu Airlines
Sun Aire Lines (merged into Sky West)
Sun West Airlines
Royal American Airways (TUS-based 1982-83 Viscount operator, part of Go Group/Ron Clark Enterprises, who specialized in entertainment industry charters)
StatesWest Airlines
Arizona Airways, both the 1946-48 original airline whose assets and route authorities were taken over by Frontier in 1950; and the 1990s revival that merged into Great Lakes
McClain Airlines (short-lived 1980s PHX-based 'luxury' operator, a la MGM Grand Air)
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:41 pm

Two local ones.

Chile's National Airlines, founded by former football player and current entrepreneur Miguel Nasur. Their slogan was "Acortando las distancias" (Shortening distances), with a very cheesy TV ad, and they were quite good, flying 737-200s and 727-200s locally and were even planning on acquiring either 767s or DC10s to start flights to Europe (They already had some international routes to New York, Buenos Aires, Mendoza, La Paz, Guayaquil, Asuncion and Arequipa) instead, they were bought by Avant Airlines in 1998.

Chile's Avant Airlines. They flew a dozen of 737-200s to various destinations in Chile. Its owner was Jesus Díez Martínez, who was the owner and founder of Chile's biggest bus company, Tur Bus. Their slogan was "Elevando la amistad" (Elevating friendship). They went bankrupt in 2001.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:58 pm

mga707 wrote:
Here are some Arizona-based or AZ-serving examples:

Apache Airlines (fatal 1971 crash caused shutdown)
Cochise Airlines (1972 successor to Apache)
Havasu Airlines
Sun Aire Lines (merged into Sky West)
Sun West Airlines
Royal American Airways (TUS-based 1982-83 Viscount operator, part of Go Group/Ron Clark Enterprises, who specialized in entertainment industry charters)
StatesWest Airlines
Arizona Airways, both the 1946-48 original airline whose assets and route authorities were taken over by Frontier in 1950; and the 1990s revival that merged into Great Lakes
McClain Airlines (short-lived 1980s PHX-based 'luxury' operator, a la MGM Grand Air)

Along these same lines:

Indiana Airways - Intrastate operator to Columbus, Gary, Lafayette, Bloomington, South Bend with Apaches
Jules Airways (??) - BNA to London, KY and Owensboro
Air Kentucky - Pre Allegheny Commuter days
Great Mistakes… err… Great Lakes
GP Express
Access Air -(First time I ever saw plastic trash bags coming down the belt as checked baggage on a regular basis.)
Golden West
Great Planes/Ozark II
Independence Air (Formerly Atlantic Coast Airlines)
The BA-146’s of Presidential Airways
Tahoe Air
Jet America
Mark Air

History is replete with the expensive carcasses of great ideas that failed.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:08 pm

-Royal West
-UTA
-MidPacific Air
-WinAir (USA)
-Access Air
-Transtar/MuseAir
-CP Air
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:52 pm

Some of the commuter airlines at MAN during the 1980s/early 1990s

Northern Air Lines to Blackpool up to 2 daily using Islanders
Air Furness to Barrow up to 4 times daily using Islanders (with plans for Caernarfon and Welshpool)
Interline Aviation up to 2 daily to Norwich using J31
Suckling Airways started as up to 2 daily to Ipswich which was tranferred to RAF Wattisham before ended up at Cambridge and they offered 2 daily to Amsterdam against KLM and BA 737s, with all flights by Do228 (became Scot airways)
Malinair daily to Donegal using Do228
Air Kilroe operared up to 5 times daily ICI charter to Teesside before going to up to 3 daily scheduled service to Teesside using Be200s and J31s (now merged into Eastern Airways)
Eurodirect operated a weekly Humberside flight using J31s and up to 2 daily ATPs to Bournemouth
Casair operated up to 2 daily to Teesside using Ce404s
Business Air operated up to 4 daily flights to Aberdeen, Dundee and possibly Inverness using Sf340s
Gill Air up to 4 daily Sh330/Sh360 to Newcastle
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:54 pm

Going through my collection of old boarding folders.
Forgot about:
Royal West
Northeastern International
Skybus
Sun world
Western, of course
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:09 pm

 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:10 pm

Golden West has already been mentioned. I flew on one of their Shorts 330s once.

Imperial Airlines (Airways?) flew Bandeirantes and was based in El Centro, CA, I believe.

I only got to experience these airlines while PSA was on strike in the late 70s.
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:11 pm

And NW airlines. Free upgrades to 1st class from SEA to MSP..Seems the flights were more empty coming from the far east and Hawa'ii. Flew them alot to get back east in the day.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:28 pm

Air Alfa
BHT
Birgen Air (of Caribbean crash fame)
Istanbul Airlines
Sultan Air

among many others from Turkey.
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:43 pm

Here in Norway:
Braathens SAFE/BU (merged with SAS)
F27, F28, B737-200/400/500/700, B767-200.
Domestic (Norway), International (London Gatwick, Newcastle, Billund, Malmø and Murmansk) and European holiday flights.

Busy Bee
F27, B737-200
Charter

Color Air
B737-300
Domestic/International

Norway Airlines
B737-300, MD80
International and Charter
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:11 pm

A few Canadain ones come to mind
EPA, Trans Air, Nordair, PWA, Worldways, Crown Air, NationAir, Odyssey, CanAir, Royal, Canada 3000, Vacation Air, Air Club International, WardAir, NWT Air, Greyhound, RootsAir, Skyservice, Air Atlantic, Intair, quebecair, Interprovincal, Triton Airlines, HMY, Cite express, VistaJet, CPAir, Canadian Regional, Canet, Minerve, Maritime central, Zoom.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:11 pm

Don't forget these airlines.....
Wien Airlines
Mark Air
Aero California
South Pacific Island Airways
Tower Air
Comair (South Africa)
Canadian Airlines
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:16 pm

Hughes Airwest, Tower Air, Reno Airlines, Florida Express and AeroCalifornia
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:22 pm

jodie wrote:
Air UK too. Loved their blue paint scheme. I remember Heralds, F27s and EMB110s. I think they served AMS from many regional UK airports


They were so good at that AMS thing, they eventually became KLM-UK before just being fully absorbed.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:08 am

Piedmont
Allegheny/USAir (became US Airways)
Empire
Republic
North Central
Southern
Midway
Ozark
Frontier (original)
Texas International
New York Air
People Express
Air America
Kiwi International
Presidential
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:17 am

My 1st job was in FSM with GM - Scheduled Skyways with Metroliners, Beech 99s, one Navajo and towards the end a couple Nord 262's!. what a crazy time that was but I had a blast! and was able to non rev on many of the above mentioned off-brand airlines of that era
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:33 am

aviationjunky wrote:
National Airlines (N7) based in Las Vegas! I'm fascinated by how much money was poured into this start up by Las Vegas casinos, and even Republic Airways, only for it last less than 4 years.


Republic Airways involved in National?? I worked for Republic over a decade and never heard nor saw anything about that. I googled but couldn’t find anything. Got a source? I’m genuinely interested.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:46 am

My favorite airline Western. Some things forgotten about them that I want to mention. They were the first airline in the US. They pioneered using ground based navigation points creating early airways. Las Vegas grew hand in hand with Western. Las Vegas was a dusty small town that was a key stop on Western's first route (Salt Lake City to Los Angeles). I remember seeing a billboard once in the early 80’s that WAL flew hourly from LAX to LAS, with additional frequencies. On key thing Western wanted to accomplish in the early years was to promote Los Angeles as the California destination to go to instead of San Francisco. They were very competitive in growing that market in competition vs. United to SFO. Through the years a lot of politics and lobbying stunted the growth of Western. Had that not happened, WAL might have been a lot bigger and more competitive nationwide. In the end before Delta came in, WAL was flying 737-2/300, 727-200 and DC-10 aircraft.

I hope others can add to and correct if needed to my memories of this wonderful airline.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:47 am

Swift Aire used to fly Nord 262s up & down the California coast back in the '70's. When the (short-lived) mega commuter, Golden West showed up as competition, Swift Aire could not keep up.

Air Sunshine used to connect Miami to Key West with old Convair 240s in the '70's. Air Florida bought them in the early '80's and rebranded Air Sunshine as Air Florida Commuter. Of course, Air Florida didn't survive the '80's.

PBA (consisting of Provincetown-Boston Airlines and Naples Airlines) flew a wide mixture of planes over their existence. They had DC-3s, Martin 404s, Cessna 402s, EMB-110s and YS-11s. At their peak, PBA connected Boston to towns on Cape Cod and Tampa with Ft. Meyers, Punta Gorda and Naples. Late in PBA's existence they tried connecting SJU to various neighboring Caribbean island airports. They also tried a stint as a branded feeder for Eastern, but that didn't work, either.
 
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http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company- ... c-history/

https://avgeekery.com/tower-air-a-jumbo ... n-airline/

I actually flew on this carrier from JFK to Miami in the late 1990's. I believe they were the last airline to fly 747's on domestic routes. It was the aerial equivalent of Greyhound, if not worse. It actually made Spirit Airlines look like Pan Am.They used OLD jumbos that were at the very end of their service lives. Their reliability was so bad that even the DOD stopped using them for troop charters. So even if they had survived a bit longer they would have not benefited from the uptick in military charters that took place after 9/11. Fun fact, Tower Air did not use the regular terminals at JFK, they in fact created a terminal at a large hangar that was a bit out of the way. I believe that until very recently when you passed that large hangar the Tower Air logo was still there, the Port Authority never bothered to remove it.
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:54 am

Wright and Tag airlines. Burke Lakefront in Cleveland was a hub of activity in the 1960'a
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:42 am

Trk1 wrote:
Wright and Tag airlines. Burke Lakefront in Cleveland was a hub of activity in the 1960'a


Yes! Tag Airlines' shuttle-like service across Lake Erie between Burke Lakefront and Detroit City, with DeHavilland Doves.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:13 am

I've just remembered of Aloha Airlines, from Hawaii....they operated for almost 62 years, from 1946 to 2008.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:51 am

I remember Transwede Fokker 100s at LGW in the 90s in the good days on the terrace!
 
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Midwest Express
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:26 am

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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:49 am

I’m surprised no one has mentioned Mohawk, what an interesting little airline they were in the Northeast US. Headquartered in Utica, NY, the first US regional carrier to fly jets, the BAC-1-11. They had a cool black and gold livery with an Art Deco Mohawk chief logo on the tail. They did all kinds of fun things in the late 1960s like their “Variety Flights.” Each flight had a different theme and the stewardesses would wear outfits to match. Pajama flights in the morning the stewardesses wore paisley lounging pajamas and served donuts and coffee. Champagne flights where they served champagne and they wore French maid outfits. Pizza flights where they would wear a red & white checked apron over their usual mini-dresses and then they’d put on a chef’s toque. Some of the flights were barely 30 minutes and the young ladies did the service really fast, it was quite the harried affair!
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:20 am

Flew Piedmont from Louisville to DCA as a young thing in the 70s a fair amount seeing family. Distinctly remember getting a fantastic shrimp Louie salad for a flight < 2 hours.
In economy.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:51 am

Legendary Balkan Bulgarian Airlines- one of the biggest carriers in the communist block with remarkable fleet of Tu-154 and cargo operations on An-12 and Il-18.
Other interesting carriers from Bulgaria that are history:
Air VIA Tu-154 and A320 one of the first private airlines in the country and main player on the charter market Black sea to Germany.
Air Sofia was big in the 90thies in the cargo segment with fleet of An-12s.
JES Air existed for not more than two years but flew on regular flights with A310 from Sofia to MEL, SIN, SGN, SEZ, JFK, YOW... crazy!
Of course JAT, Yugoslivenski Aerotransport-the shiny airline of prosperous Yugoslavia. Caravelles, Dc-9, 707, 727,737-300 and Dc-10 with route map to LAX, ORD, CLE, JFK, SIN, SYD among others.
Also from Yugoslavia Aerogenex with Tu-134,
737-200 and 727, and that airline with beautiful name Adria Airways- Dc-9 and Md-80s, Dash-7.
Malev, Hungarian Airlines was mentioned already but has memorable place between the biggest airlines in the Eastern block.
Among the state airlines that existed just for few years afters the collapse of the USSR
Air Ukraine
Air Lithuania
Latavio
Estonian Air
Air Kazakhstan
Armenian Airlines that inherited even few Il-86 from soviet Aeroflot.
 
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Re: Time to talk about.....old airlines!

Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:19 am

Holiday Airlines: flew Electras to TVL 1965-1975

Air West: the four different Fiesta paint schemes are among my all time favorite liveries.

Bonanza: merged to form Air West in 1968
West Coast: merged 1968
Pacific: merged 1968

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