LATAM A20N ground collision during takeoff run at LIM

wiss · Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:55 pm

Moments ago a LATAM A20N collided with a vehicle during its takeoff run from Lima, Peru. I don't have any information about injuries, but it looks pretty serious, including a fire and a right main gear collapse.

https://twitter.com/francogt19/status/1 ... 5323689985

Deltabravo1123 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:10 pm

https://twitter.com/search?q=latam%20ai ... head_click

One video taken aboard another aircraft shows it happening in real time...

ikolkyo · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:11 pm

Video here, my goodness. https://twitter.com/fchullen/status/159 ... UapcbqB7QA

How does the vehicle not get off the runway any sooner? Was driving toward the aircraft until moments before impact.

edit: I may be mistaken, the vehicle may have driven onto the runway in front of the aircraft. Hard to tell

Polot · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:16 pm

Looking at the damage would not be surprised if we are looking at the first A320N write off. Hope everyone in the ground vehicle is ok.

stefanJ · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:16 pm

The twitter post no longer exists for me.

I found the following video on YouTube posted just a few minutes ago:

https://youtu.be/JOMjbRHQ9Jc

As you said it looks like an engine departed and starboard main gear collapsed upon smashing into the vehicle on the runway. Pax and crew look to be evacuating in the above video.

Nothing yet on LATAM social media or website.

wiss · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:20 pm

I'm 99% sure the aircraft will be a W/O. Look at these pictures

https://twitter.com/RosendoChV/status/1 ... 1358699530
https://twitter.com/RosendoChV/status/1 ... 38/photo/1

The second picture is quite a dumb and inapproppriate selfie, but note how the entire number 2 engine is missing

wiss · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:23 pm

I also found an FR24 track, according to it, the maximum groundspeed the plane reached was 129 kt

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... b#2e41f665

The aircraft involved was an A20N registered CC-BHB. It was departing as LA2213 from LIM to JUL

pugman211 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:26 pm

What went onto the runway? Looked like a fire truck without lights on?

DCA350 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:28 pm

Unbelievable negligence on somebody's part.. Does anybody know the age of this aircraft.. Can't be more than a couple of years old.

B595 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:28 pm

Wow. That was at high speed. It’s fortunate that the plane remained under control.

B595 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:30 pm

B595 wrote:
Wow. That was at high speed. It’s fortunate that the plane remained under control. Or “control” in the sense it didn’t cartwheel into oblivion.

cfcra747 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:37 pm

Hard to tell in the video but it looks like an Oshkosh Striker (maybe a six wheeler model) that entered the runway.

lostsound · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:38 pm

Given the speed and size of the vehicle it's quite a miracle the accident wasn't any worse. Glad everyone is okay! The A320 has turned out to be quite a tough little bird.

JeremyB · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:44 pm

DCA350 wrote:
Unbelievable negligence on somebody's part.. Does anybody know the age of this aircraft.. Can't be more than a couple of years old.

First flight was on 16/11/2017. Looks like they hit a fire truck, saw it in a post on FB. Safe to assume they didn't survive that impact.

Whatever the cause... this shouldn't have happened

JerseyFlyer · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:47 pm

lostsound wrote:
Given the speed and size of the vehicle it's quite a miracle the accident wasn't any worse. Glad everyone is okay! The A320 has turned out to be quite a tough little bird.

Let's hope everyone got out

Surely there's some sort of backstop protocol about not barreling across a runway even if you think it is currently inactive?

Gonzalo · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:48 pm

Holly c****!!!!!
Accelerating for take off, 129 knots at the moment of the impact IIRC. That was really close to a Linate like crash. Unforgivable mistake from the truck driver, or ATC. I doubt the flight crew can be deemed responsible for this, altgough We’ll know the details soon. Hope we don’t have fatalities but the impact seems to be a very high energy crash for the truck crew….

IADCA · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:53 pm

Watching the video, didn't it possibly hit TWO vehicles? There's one that looks to be hit by the left wing, but there's a second ground vehicle that appears to be on the same runway that disappears behind the right side of the plane and then into the smoke cloud, which is more consistent with the collapsed gear and missing engine on the right side.

LittleFokker · Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:55 pm

Gonzalo wrote:
Holly c****!!!!!
Accelerating for take off, 129 knots at the moment of the impact IIRC. That was really close to a Linate like crash. Unforgivable mistake from the truck driver, or ATC. I doubt the flight crew can be deemed responsible for this, altgough We’ll know the details soon. Hope we don’t have fatalities but the impact seems to be a very high energy crash for the truck crew….

There is a scenario in which the flight crew could be at fault - if they started take off roll without proper clearance from the tower. I highly doubt that was the case given the protocols crew and ATC go through to verify permission to roll, but it is a possibility. Of course we'll learn more as the truth is discovered.

SEU · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:13 pm

This could have been a whole lot worse, I would love to see the outcome of this investigation

PHLspecial · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:28 pm

I hope everyone involved is okay. Do we have any reports about the passengers/crew or about the fire truck crew?

slvrblt · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:30 pm

Was it landing or taking off? It's in spanish, but the announcer says it was landing.....and that there were 4 men on the firetruck that didn't survive.

Etheereal · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:33 pm

wiss wrote:
Moments ago a LATAM A20N collided with a vehicle during its takeoff run from Lima, Peru. I don't have any information about injuries, but it looks pretty serious, including a fire and a right main gear collapse.

https://twitter.com/francogt19/status/1 ... 5323689985

All the twitter feeds are mentioning the accident happened at landing not at takeoff.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/301351

720B · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:36 pm

2 Firemen died in the accident (link in spanish)

https://elcomercio.pe/lima/sucesos/acci ... n-noticia/

petertenthije · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:36 pm

Looking at this footage, it seems the plane crashed into the crashtender that came to assist the emergency landing! (00:29 - 00:30).

https://twitter.com/rogergarvi/status/1 ... 7867807745

Aesma · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:43 pm

wiss wrote:
I'm 99% sure the aircraft will be a W/O. Look at these pictures

https://twitter.com/RosendoChV/status/1 ... 1358699530
https://twitter.com/RosendoChV/status/1 ... 38/photo/1

The second picture is quite a dumb and inapproppriate selfie, but note how the entire number 2 engine is missing

Crash selfie...

AllNippon767 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:43 pm

All the twitter feeds are mentioning the accident happened at landing not at takeoff.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/301351

Because some random person, on Twitter of all things, said so and is to be trusted of course...

ADS-B data and all other actual correlative information from reliable aviation sources confirm this happened during takeoff. After colliding with an airport fire engine that had been crossing the runway, the right main landing gear collapsed, a fire broke out and the #2 engine separated from the wing. That is all we know for certain right now. What, how and why these things happened are questions for the investigation to answer.

conaly · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:47 pm

Etheereal wrote:
wiss wrote:
Moments ago a LATAM A20N collided with a vehicle during its takeoff run from Lima, Peru. I don't have any information about injuries, but it looks pretty serious, including a fire and a right main gear collapse.

https://twitter.com/francogt19/status/1 ... 5323689985

All the twitter feeds are mentioning the accident happened at landing not at takeoff.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/301351

The flaps shown on one picture look more like Flap 1 setting, meaning take off. So does the FR24 log.

720B · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:49 pm

wiss wrote:
Moments ago a LATAM A20N collided with a vehicle during its takeoff run from Lima, Peru. I don't have any information about injuries, but it looks pretty serious, including a fire and a right main gear collapse.

https://twitter.com/francogt19/status/1 ... 5323689985

Two airport firemen were killed in the incident.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 022-11-18/

B717fan · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:50 pm

Photo from inside the aircraft.
https://twitter.com/danielicm7/status/1 ... 97/photo/1

peterjohns · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:55 pm

I am always impressed about how many videos out of so many angles surface in short time after any such incident.
In this case I am quite shocked about the outcome of this runway incursion. It is nearly the worst possible- apart that nobody got hurt on the plane.
That can´t be said for the Fire Truck Crew however.
Before entering an active Rwy don´t you ALWAYS look if it is clear? Whatever it will be quite easy to find out who or what caused this mishap.
It is quite clearly either a pure mistake, or a misunderstanding on behalf of one of the participants. That would be: Radio Ground, Radio Fire Truck, Cockpit, ATC.

Gonzalo · Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:59 pm

Obviously we have to wait for more detailed info, but with the videos we can watch until now, I have the impression that the aircraft was accelerating. And if they were landing, probably the flight crew would seen the trucks from above and would perform a go around. I’m really sorry for the people on board of the truck and their families…

shamrock350 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:00 pm

LATAM have tweeted it was on take off...

https://twitter.com/LATAM_PER/status/15 ... 3465744384

No deaths on board reported yet. RIP to the fire rescue crew.

On a positive note, this does appear to be another good example of how robust the A320 airframe seems to be, managing to remain relatively intact despite the high speed impact.

scbriml · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:04 pm

wiss wrote:
I'm 99% sure the aircraft will be a W/O. Look at these pictures

https://twitter.com/RosendoChV/status/1 ... 1358699530
https://twitter.com/RosendoChV/status/1 ... 38/photo/1

The second picture is quite a dumb and inapproppriate selfie, but note how the entire number 2 engine is missing

Hey, if I’ve survived something like that, you can bet your life I’m taking a bloody selfie.

airboss787 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:13 pm

Could this be the first 32N write-off?

Glad everyone made it out. RIP to the fire truck drivers

FAEDC3 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:14 pm

I am a firefighter in Lima, I do not work at the airport though, two of my colleagues died in this incident. Information and details on the reasons why the firetruck was near the active runway are not available for now. Answering some of the questions above, with the information that is confirmed as of now, I can tell you that the aircraft was in its take off run, a flight from Lima to Juliaca. will share more info as it becomes available.

trnswrld · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:19 pm

Wow, absolutely insane week in aviation and with all the camera out there these days anytime something like this happens you know there will be high quality footage. Always chilling to see stuff like this. I still can’t stop thinking of that B17 midair footage.

gatibosgru · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:28 pm

Wow, insane no losses on board based on that fire.

RIP to the ground crew. Devastating.

The cockpit recorder should be really interesting.

zeke · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:32 pm

FAEDC3 wrote:
I am a firefighter in Lima, I do not work at the airport though, two of my colleagues died in this incident. Information and details on the reasons why the firetruck was near the active runway are not available for now. Answering some of the questions above, with the information that is confirmed as of now, I can tell you that the aircraft was in its take off run, a flight from Lima to Juliaca. will share more info as it becomes available.

Thank you for the factual information

Yeastbeast · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:32 pm

Was there a separate emergency that the fire crews were responding to?

AngelsDecay · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:39 pm

Yeastbeast wrote:
Was there a separate emergency that the fire crews were responding to?

Someone told on Twitter there was an airplane in distress on the ramp at the same time of the accident, hence your question.

AngelsDecay · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:41 pm

Does anyone knows if Lima RFFS operates under the policy "one runway one language one frequency", or not?

gatibosgru · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:41 pm

peterjohns wrote:
I am always impressed about how many videos out of so many angles surface in short time after any such incident.
In this case I am quite shocked about the outcome of this runway incursion. It is nearly the worst possible- apart that nobody got hurt on the plane.
That can´t be said for the Fire Truck Crew however.
Before entering an active Rwy don´t you ALWAYS look if it is clear? Whatever it will be quite easy to find out who or what caused this mishap.
It is quite clearly either a pure mistake, or a misunderstanding on behalf of one of the participants. That would be: Radio Ground, Radio Fire Truck, Cockpit, ATC.

It’s just going to be more and more like that. Smartphones, Social media and CCTV have changed everything.

FAEDC3 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:54 pm

Yeastbeast wrote:
Was there a separate emergency that the fire crews were responding to?

It has been mentioned that a separate emergency was the reason for both trucks and a light vehicle to be dispatched, up to this moment this has not been confirmed. The exercise theory has also been mentioned, not confirmed either.
Airport firemen exercise every day, the equipment is used a lot, training on different types of situations are going on all the time, that is why an exercise is not ruled out but information will come out at the right time, this type of training is always prepared and coordinated with ATC and Ground Control.

seablue125 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:09 am

Appears to be an unauthorized active runway incursion. Terrible (RIP to the victims) as it appears, it could easily have been far worse.

maddogjt8d · Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:12 am

Found this video on Facebook from AviationSource News. It appears to show the accident fire trucks rolling with their sirens blasting, as if they are their way to respond to something. Watch til the middle and it looks like these are the trucks that collide with the departing aircraft.

https://fb.watch/gTS55ZRV5x/

SEAorPWM · Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:29 am

shamrock350 wrote:
LATAM have tweeted it was on take off...

https://twitter.com/LATAM_PER/status/15 ... 3465744384

No deaths on board reported yet. RIP to the fire rescue crew.

On a positive note, this does appear to be another good example of how robust the A320 airframe seems to be, managing to remain relatively intact despite the high speed impact.

Fuselage and wings looked intact. I wonder how much the tank inerting system helped quench the fire (something the A320 wasn't originally built with 35 years ago)?

777luver · Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:50 am

Avoidable. Will wait until an investigation is complete and the info is made avail. WAY too many armchair investigators here and on other forums

dcajet · Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:56 am

Lima airport will be closed until tomorrow at 13:00 LT. At the time of the accident, 19 flights were on their way to LIM and were forced to divert or return to their departure points.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/11/pe ... -accident/

phatfarmlines · Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:13 am

SEAorPWM wrote:

Fuselage and wings looked intact. I wonder how much the tank inerting system helped quench the fire (something the A320 wasn't originally built with 35 years ago)?

Striking the wing instead of the center tank in the case of SQ006 likely helped with the cabin survival rate.

I couldn't tell you if SQ006 would have benefitted from a tank inertial system.

FJL767400 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:21 am

phatfarmlines wrote:
SEAorPWM wrote:

Fuselage and wings looked intact. I wonder how much the tank inerting system helped quench the fire (something the A320 wasn't originally built with 35 years ago)?

Striking the wing instead of the center tank in the case of SQ006 likely helped with the cabin survival rate.

I couldn't tell you if SQ006 would have benefitted from a tank inertial system.

Clearly there was fire on the footage, the bottom of the aircraft was totally scorched and soaked in fire extinguisher foam. So there is fire, and was put out... The tank is breached so inerting system will not help, it is there to prevent something like a TWA800-ish accident. Speaking of SQ I'd say the system might helped in the SQ368 incident though, in which the tank sustained a lot of fire under it...

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