British Airways began moving its operations out of Terminal 7 and over to Terminal 8 on Friday 11/18, with the daylight BA 178 service I believe being the first BA departure from T8. The last BA departure out of T7 is scheduled for 11/30. Iberia (and LEVEL presumably), are scheduled to move from T7 to T8 on 12/01. And now JAL is scheduled to move to T8 in May 2023, putting all but one OW airline at JFK, under the same roof (Royal Air Maroc, which presumably, will move at some point from T1 to T8).

There's not much detail on the lounge situation at T8 that will cater to the BA customer, other than the renderings, and not much discussion yet on the consolidated BA/AA Premium Check In experience which is located at the center right of the departures lobby, but it is early days. Wondering if anyone has experienced these yet?

Once the BA/IB moves are complete, T7 will be left serving Alaska, LOT, ANA, Aerolineas Argentinas, and Icelandair. Guessing the BA Terraces Lounge will close, or at minimum, rebrand to a generic "premium lounge" managed by someone else for the remaining airlines, excluding AS, which has its own lounge.

Looks like T7 will remain in place until T6 is completed, since the T6 footprint is primarily on the aircraft and equipment parking apron between T5 and T7 and the new T6 will open in 2026, at which point, T7 will be demolished.

Wondering when the BA signage at T7 will be removed (Front, and the banner on the air side above the windows).

I wonder if EI will switch to T8 now that they're part of the OW transatlantic joint venture and are codesharing with AA across other hubs.

Alaska is moving to T8 in March.

Does T8 have stands for A380.

BOAC1966 wrote:

Does T8 have stands for A380.

No.
No OW carriers have ever flown an A380 to JFK.

JFK only supports the A380 at T1 and T4. I read that BA/AA are going all 77W/A35K on JFK for a better hourly schedule.

Doesn't BA actually own/lease T7? So it's coming down next summer.

x1234 wrote:

JFK only supports the A380 at T1 and T4. I read that BA/AA are going all 77W/A35K on JFK for a better hourly schedule.

Can’t go a35K. No first class and no plans to install it on 35K, last I heard.

T8 at JFK has been very underused since it was completed, this will make much more use of the facilities. Probably be a significant savings for all OW to be under one roof. Also make for cool photo ops!

skipness1E wrote:

Doesn't BA actually own/lease T7? So it's coming down next summer.

Yes, BA leases T7. But that lease with the PANYNJ expires at the end of this month. It was pretty clear with the last extension (which was around 10 years ago) that the lease would not be renewed again in preparation for T7 replacement.

That’s why you see the IAG airlines all out by December 1st.

skipness1E wrote:

Doesn't BA actually own/lease T7? So it's coming down next summer.

Yes, it was the BOAC terminal originally. It's all going now, of course.

There is no way t7 can stay until t6 is completed. Heck, t6 will have a bridge to the current t7 air train stop. T6 will encompass all the land to the jfk expressway.

usxguy wrote:

Alaska is moving to T8 in March.

When was this announced?

T8 will be awfully crowded at times especially in the evening rush. I do hope AA has thought this through. The security checkpoint situation is not ideal. Alaska is actually returning to T8, when they first started flying to JFK from SEA in 2015, pre VX merger, they flew from T8.

x1234 wrote:

JFK only supports the A380 at T1 and T4. I read that BA/AA are going all 77W/A35K on JFK for a better hourly schedule.

It will be a mixture of 4 class 772/77W with the club world suite, The 777-9 will be on the route once delivered. The A350-1000 will only operate as a last minute sub, or possibly when the launch a 4 class configuration on it.

Wondering what terminal will Aerolineas Argentinas and Icelandair move to? Both are still listed on the JFK website as operating from T7.

As a kid, I remember driving up to the beautiful facade where you saw the welcoming large "B O A C" letters in neon blue at nighttime at T7. One would see VC-10s, Super VC-10s, 707s and 747-100s parked air-side. It's a memory I will never forget.

dcajet wrote:

Wondering what terminal will Aerolineas Argentinas and Icelandair move to? Both are still listed on the JFK website as operating from T7.

Probably T4 with a small chance that FI may end up shacking up with B6 in T5.

dcajet wrote:

Wondering what terminal will Aerolineas Argentinas and Icelandair move to? Both are still listed on the JFK website as operating from T7.

T7 will remain open until the completion of T6 Phase 1.

dcajet wrote:

Wondering what terminal will Aerolineas Argentinas and Icelandair move to? Both are still listed on the JFK website as operating from T7.

I could see both moving to T4, specially Aerolineas

alancostello wrote:

I wonder if EI will switch to T8 now that they're part of the OW transatlantic joint venture and are codesharing with AA across other hubs.

Are they? I just checked and they still only honor Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts.

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:

T8 at JFK has been very underused since it was completed, this will make much more use of the facilities. Probably be a significant savings for all OW to be under one roof. Also make for cool photo ops!

Terminal 8 has undergone a $400 million expansion and upgrade to accommodate the BA co-location and presumably, the shift to T8 by other OW carriers factored in. The head house has 4-5 new wide body capable gates, though with long jetways extending to the planes, and parking positions have also been created adjacent to them for planes to be serviced. In the air-side concourse, two gates were already upgraded to be able to accommodate wide body jets (Gate 46, a while ago) and I think either 33 or 38. The old Eagle's Nest was also demolished and converted into space that can handle main line jets. The rest of the enhancements are cosmetic. New lounges, and hopefully, some improvement to the dining options, which were always mediocre in T8.

AA is now at its busiest in years at JFK, with over 100 flights a day (I believe it was around 125), a consequence of the NEA. AA also has to use the slots it has. It got waivers from the DoT in 2019 due to the Canarsie Approach runway improvements, and those waivers were subsequently extended through to 2021 due to the pandemic. Much of the waivers impacted virtually all Eagle flying, and some other routes as well, SAT, LAS, SEA, and SAN, which never came back, but for LAS, for a short time.

The main question and concern is what adjustments are being made, if any, to the security checkpoints. They can get really busy at peak times. The evening schedule will get just that much more busy, with BA, IB, and eventually, QFs return, which will have its JFK-AKL-SYD route depart in the early evening.

Agree, the photos will be cool.

dcajet wrote:

Wondering what terminal will Aerolineas Argentinas and Icelandair move to? Both are still listed on the JFK website as operating from T7.

Aerolineas will probably move to T4, as it is part of SkyTeam and code-shares with DL. I can see Icelandair move to T5 or T4 or even T1 but they don't have to move right away. T7 will remain operational until the construction of T6 is completed. Then it will be demolished. T6 is going to occupy the parking apron (aircraft) between T5 and T7 and not any part of the T7 footprint. My guess is that once T7 is demolished, there will be room to expand T6.

usflyer msp wrote:

dcajet wrote:

Wondering what terminal will Aerolineas Argentinas and Icelandair move to? Both are still listed on the JFK website as operating from T7.

Probably T4 with a small chance that FI may end up shacking up with B6 in T5.

Also wondering which terminal ANA and LOT Polish would eventually move to. It will be also interesting to see whether ANA would continue to use the BA lounge in T7 after BA leavving the terminal.

N62NA wrote:

alancostello wrote:

I wonder if EI will switch to T8 now that they're part of the OW transatlantic joint venture and are codesharing with AA across other hubs.

Are they? I just checked and they still only honor Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts.

Yes, they are: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/partners-and-alliances/our-transatlantic-joint-business

There's reportedly some computer integration still to be done but they're codesharing already

alancostello wrote:

N62NA wrote:

alancostello wrote:

I wonder if EI will switch to T8 now that they're part of the OW transatlantic joint venture and are codesharing with AA across other hubs.

Are they? I just checked and they still only honor Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts.

Yes, they are: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/partners-and-alliances/our-transatlantic-joint-business

There's reportedly some computer integration still to be done but they're codesharing already

Nope. I just went to AA's site and tried to book MIA-DUB and also JFK-DUB and no Aer Lingus flights showing up as AA codeshare flights.

And, as I pointed out earlier, they only list Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts on the Aer Lingus website.

Will QF be flying into T8 upon their return next year?

freshwater wrote:

Will QF be flying into T8 upon their return next year?

They will, yeah

N62NA wrote:

alancostello wrote:

N62NA wrote:

Are they? I just checked and they still only honor Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts.

Yes, they are: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/partners-and-alliances/our-transatlantic-joint-business

There's reportedly some computer integration still to be done but they're codesharing already

Nope. I just went to AA's site and tried to book MIA-DUB and also JFK-DUB and no Aer Lingus flights showing up as AA codeshare flights.

And, as I pointed out earlier, they only list Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts on the Aer Lingus website.

The integration is in progress. AA is codesharing on EI DUB-Europe flights but they are not codesharing on TATL flights yet.

Surely T7 will close sooner rather than later? The cost of keeping it open for a few flights a day doesnt seem worth it? Particularly for intl flights which require CBP

jrfspa320 wrote:

Surely T7 will close sooner rather than later? The cost of keeping it open for a few flights a day doesnt seem worth it? Particularly for intl flights which require CBP

The problem is T1 is being rebuilt as well so there is limited space to move the t7 carriers to.

Question: With many of JFK's classic terminals soon to be bulldozed (and have been for the past 20 years) how long is it until T2 is buldozed

Garuda200 wrote:

Question: With many of JFK's classic terminals soon to be bulldozed (and have been for the past 20 years) how long is it until T2 is buldozed

Next year it is a goner.
An extension is being built at t4 to allow DL to consolidate there and then the new T1 will take footprint of the existing T1, T2 and the former T3.

One thing I would like to see is JFK consolidate gate #'s. I am just very annoyed that there are 5 gates called "gate 5"' at JFK and imagine it must confuse the public sometimes. The gates at T1 should be 1XX, T4 is 4XX,T5 is 5XX, T6 is 6XX and T8 is 8XX - much simpler.

When AA purchased Trans Caribbean in 1971, they began using T7 for international arrivals. AA continued to use T7 for international arrivals until a customs facility was completed in AA's terminal in 1977.

Among the other flights that used T7 in the past was National's short lived JFK-AMS flight in 1978-79.

When AA purchased Trans Caribbean in 1971, they began using T7 for international arrivals. AA continued to use T7 for international arrivals until a customs facility was completed in AA's terminal in 1977.

Thanks for that AA terminal history regarding the addition of the customs facility being completed in 1977. Can you provide details of where I could learn more about that? Thanks.

WA707atMSP wrote:

When AA purchased Trans Caribbean in 1971, they began using T7 for international arrivals. AA continued to use T7 for international arrivals until a customs facility was completed in AA's terminal in 1977.

Among the other flights that used T7 in the past was National's short lived JFK-AMS flight in 1978-79.

USAir, then USAirways used Terminal 7 for LAS, PHX and CLT flights that it operated at JFK. BWIA I think also used T7.

Qantas59 wrote:

When AA purchased Trans Caribbean in 1971, they began using T7 for international arrivals. AA continued to use T7 for international arrivals until a customs facility was completed in AA's terminal in 1977.

Thanks for that AA terminal history regarding the addition of the customs facility being completed in 1977. Can you provide details of where I could learn more about that? Thanks.

It was mentioned in AA's 1976 annual report. The 1976 annual report said the facility had opened in early 1977, and would be doubled in size in 1977.

Prior to the opening of the customs facility, the "general information" page of AA's timetables said that international arrivals from places other than Toronto and Bermuda (which had US customs pre clearance) cleared customs at the BOAC (or, later, British Airways) terminal.

Per their Instagram, LV is moving to T8 on Dec 1.

https://www.instagram.com/flywithlevel/?hl=en

Now that T2 and T7 are going away (and there will be a new T6), might it not be time for PANYNJ to update the terminal numbering as well? They'd have T1, T4, T5, T6, T8...

Better system:
OLD NEW
T1 --->T1 (or T-A, like EWR/LGA)
T4 --->T2 (or T-B)
T5 --->T3 (or T-C)
T6 (prop) --->T4 (or T-D)
T8 --->T5 (or T-E)

EMB170 wrote:

Now that T2 and T7 are going away (and there will be a new T6), might it not be time for PANYNJ to update the terminal numbering as well? They'd have T1, T4, T5, T6, T8...

Better system:
OLD NEW
T1 --->T1 (or T-A, like EWR/LGA)
T4 --->T2 (or T-B)
T5 --->T3 (or T-C)
T6 (prop) --->T4 (or T-D)
T8 --->T5 (or T-E)

How about keeping T4 and T5 as they are, and then renumbering the new T6 to T1, T8 to T2, and the new T1 to T3?

V/F

N62NA wrote:

alancostello wrote:

N62NA wrote:

Are they? I just checked and they still only honor Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts.

Yes, they are: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/partners-and-alliances/our-transatlantic-joint-business

There's reportedly some computer integration still to be done but they're codesharing already

Nope. I just went to AA's site and tried to book MIA-DUB and also JFK-DUB and no Aer Lingus flights showing up as AA codeshare flights.

And, as I pointed out earlier, they only list Alaska, BA, Iberia and... UNITED Airlines frequent flyer accounts on the Aer Lingus website.

Despite your capitalisation and reiteration I did catch that the first time you said it. EI are a part of the joint venture, your mistake was assuming the transatlantic joint venture is mutually exclusive with frequent flyer benefits, it is not, and any investigation in to the transatlantic joint BUSINESS venture would have clarified that. As another poster pointed out there are codeshares on domestic AA flights and EI flights to Europe, and as I pointed out earlier, there is still integration work to be done.

usflyer msp wrote:

BOAC1966 wrote:

Does T8 have stands for A380.

No.
No OW carriers have ever flown an A380 to JFK.

Adding to this, QR has never flown the A380 to North America. Only between Europe, Asia and Aus/NZ. I'm not counting the inaugual DOH-ATL one-off in 2016.

BA doesn't need to send the A380 to JFK since it's close enough to London that frequency takes precedence over raw capacity. Especially considering all the corporate/financial O&D demand between Lower Manhattan and the City of London.

Interestingly, BA has never flown the A380 to Australia either. Only LHR-SIN terminators got the A380, LHR-SIN-SYD was a mix of 70/86J 744s, 77Ws and I think 789s.

VirginFlyer wrote:

EMB170 wrote:

Now that T2 and T7 are going away (and there will be a new T6), might it not be time for PANYNJ to update the terminal numbering as well? They'd have T1, T4, T5, T6, T8...

Better system:
OLD NEW
T1 --->T1 (or T-A, like EWR/LGA)
T4 --->T2 (or T-B)
T5 --->T3 (or T-C)
T6 (prop) --->T4 (or T-D)
T8 --->T5 (or T-E)

How about keeping T4 and T5 as they are, and then renumbering the new T6 to T1, T8 to T2, and the new T1 to T3?

So when you drive into the airport, the numbering goes 3, 4, 5, 1, 2?

leftcoast8 wrote:

Interestingly, BA has never flown the A380 to Australia either. Only LHR-SIN terminators got the A380, LHR-SIN-SYD was a mix of 70/86J 744s, 77Ws and I think 789s.

Not even 86J 744. It was LHR-BKK-SYD on 744 and LHR-SIN-SYD on 772ER.

When they pulled out of BKK-SYD tag they switched SIN-SYD tag to 77W. At that time the 86J config did not even exist IIRC. 787-9 is a more recent/COVID thing.

Michael

It was mentioned in AA's 1976 annual report. The 1976 annual report said the facility had opened in early 1977, and would be doubled in size in 1977.

Prior to the opening of the customs facility, the "general information" page of AA's timetables said that international arrivals from places other than Toronto and Bermuda (which had US customs pre clearance) cleared customs at the BOAC (or, later, British Airways) terminal.

Thanks very much.

EMB170 wrote:

Now that T2 and T7 are going away (and there will be a new T6), might it not be time for PANYNJ to update the terminal numbering as well? They'd have T1, T4, T5, T6, T8...

Better system:
OLD NEW
T1 --->T1 (or T-A, like EWR/LGA)
T4 --->T2 (or T-B)
T5 --->T3 (or T-C)
T6 (prop) --->T4 (or T-D)
T8 --->T5 (or T-E)

I vote for new-T1 > to "Terminal A", old-T4 to "Terminal B", old-T5 to "Terminal C", new-T6 to "Terminal D" and old-T8 to "Terminal E".

This keeps them in physical order, as well as removing any historical reference to older and long-gone terminals......
In my 61 year old mind T1 will always be "Northeast / Braniff / Northwest", T2 = "Eastern Airlines", T3 = "PanAm Worldport", T4 = "The IAB", T5 = "TWA Flight Center", T6 = "National Airlines Sundrome", T7 = "BOAC / Air Canada", and T8 = "American Airlines".

Wow, do I feel old......

I may have missed mention of it in earlier posts, and I am getting old, but the most special, unique memory for me for Terminal 7 will always be Concorde!

eamondzhang wrote:

leftcoast8 wrote:

Interestingly, BA has never flown the A380 to Australia either. Only LHR-SIN terminators got the A380, LHR-SIN-SYD was a mix of 70/86J 744s, 77Ws and I think 789s.

Not even 86J 744. It was LHR-BKK-SYD on 744 and LHR-SIN-SYD on 772ER.

When they pulled out of BKK-SYD tag they switched SIN-SYD tag to 77W. At that time the 86J config did not even exist IIRC. 787-9 is a more recent/COVID thing.

Michael

LHR-SIN-SYD was a B744 back in 2001. I flew on it (BA15/16)