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SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:22 pm

SAS is launching CPH-JFK, returning to JFK for the first time since 1990. This will be in addition to the flights offered from EWR.
The flight will start as a A321NEOLR in February and upgauge to an A333 at the end of March.

https://www.sasgroup.net/newsroom/press ... -new-york/
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:29 pm

It's a shame they don't still have those A350s anymore. They were beautiful with the new livery. They A330s need to be repainted to give the modern look. They look pretty sad when they arrive at EWR dirty and all.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:05 pm

LX015 wrote:
It's a shame they don't still have those A350s anymore. They were beautiful with the new livery. They A330s need to be repainted to give the modern look. They look pretty sad when they arrive at EWR dirty and all.


Uhhhh I’m still seeing the a350s on some longer flights like LAX and PVG.

Guess this means SAS flies to New York period again since October 2022 ;)
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:12 pm

LX015 wrote:
It's a shame they don't still have those A350s anymore. They were beautiful with the new livery. They A330s need to be repainted to give the modern look. They look pretty sad when they arrive at EWR dirty and all.


What? SAS is still flying the A350.

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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:14 pm

CarlosSi wrote:

Uhhhh I’m still seeing the a350s on some longer flights like LAX and PVG.

Guess this means SAS flies to New York period again since October 2022 ;)



My mistake, they aren't being flown to EWR anymore. Only the older A330s and the A321NEOs.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:45 pm

So they think they can compete with Delta Airlines on this route, we'll see how that turns out.

Looking at the history of CPH-JFK, for a while Norwegian was the only airline serving it. After they quit their long haul operations it remained unserved until Delta picked it up, and now SAS as a second carrier.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:31 pm

Keep in mind that Delta is only serving JFK-CPH on a seasonal basis. So SAS will be the only year round operator between CPH and JFK. It's seasonal competition and nothing more than that.

CPH-JFK is an addition to the twice daily CPH-EWR operated on a seasonal basis (once daily operated year round).
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:40 pm

JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work.

The timing of the flights is interesting as well: it completely avoids the late-afternoon/early-evening international departure rush-hour. However, it is going to operate from Terminal 7, which is on its way out - I wonder if they will be moving to Terminal 1 in the meantime?
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:46 pm

The press release says that SAS will operate from T7 at JFK. Is this correct - as BA / IHG is moving all operations to T8 ? Thought that T7 will be vacated step by step. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have this late evening arrival and midnight departure operate from another terminal where they might also use a *A lounge etc ?
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:47 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work.

The timing of the flights is interesting as well: it completely avoids the late-afternoon/early-evening international departure rush-hour. However, it is going to operate from Terminal 7, which is on its way out - I wonder if they will be moving to Terminal 1 in the meantime?


You seems to ignore the fact that SAS has their own feed at the CPH end.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:01 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work


From my knowledge before retiring a few years ago, United does not do much for SAS at EWR.
SAS is largely an outcast like TAP, Turkish and others in Star.
United is invested to its LH group JV and provides such itineraries preferential pricing and seat inventory.

Also let’s remember not everyone wants to access NYC via EWR. Plenty of Star partners make their primary NYC gateway at JFK.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:37 pm

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So they think they can compete with Delta Airlines on this route, we'll see how that turns out.



Or they pick up the NYC O&D that doesn't care for Newark. JFK has far bigger int'l passenger counts than EWR.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:12 pm

janders wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work


From my knowledge before retiring a few years ago, United does not do much for SAS at EWR.
SAS is largely an outcast like TAP, Turkish and others in Star.
United is invested to its LH group JV and provides such itineraries preferential pricing and seat inventory.

Also let’s remember not everyone wants to access NYC via EWR. Plenty of Star partners make their primary NYC gateway at JFK.


Exactly, plus they’ve flown to EWR since 1990 but Continental only joined Star Alliance in 2008. EWR is also largely O&D for them, and (for the most part) always has been.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:44 pm

Little off subject, anyone know when they will repaint the A333s??
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:21 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
janders wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work


From my knowledge before retiring a few years ago, United does not do much for SAS at EWR.
SAS is largely an outcast like TAP, Turkish and others in Star.
United is invested to its LH group JV and provides such itineraries preferential pricing and seat inventory.

Also let’s remember not everyone wants to access NYC via EWR. Plenty of Star partners make their primary NYC gateway at JFK.


Exactly, plus they’ve flown to EWR since 1990 but Continental only joined Star Alliance in 2008. EWR is also largely O&D for them, and (for the most part) always has been.

When exactly did SAS stop partnering with CO (before CO joined Star)? SK had for a few years a small ownership stake in CO starting from the late 80s/early 90s which is why the consolidated to EWR in the first place.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:15 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
So they think they can compete with Delta Airlines on this route, we'll see how that turns out.


This route is timed for Scandinavians who want to get to JFK and no further. Delta has no feed in CPH, whereas SAS has its entire Scandinavian and European network, and a pretty dominant position amongst Scandinavian frequent flyers who will be thinking of points, status, and lounges in CPH (if not JFK, where SAS will probably be out on their own at T7). There’s probably room for both: DL for CPH-JFK and beyond, SK for everywhere in Scandinavia to JFK.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:11 pm

janders wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work


From my knowledge before retiring a few years ago, United does not do much for SAS at EWR.
SAS is largely an outcast like TAP, Turkish and others in Star.
United is invested to its LH group JV and provides such itineraries preferential pricing and seat inventory.

Also let’s remember not everyone wants to access NYC via EWR. Plenty of Star partners make their primary NYC gateway at JFK.


None of the NYC area airports are good hubs for connections. If you have to change terminals for connections, NYC airports are terrible They are highly constrained geographically for the purposes of expansion or redevelopment. Airports with more land available can just build whole new terminals, then abandon the old ones. Others can build new terminals in stages and close down old terminals as the new larger and optimized terminals are opened. The airports in the NYC area have to do redevelopment in smaller increments, reshuffle the airlines between terminals, then continue redevelopment, then reshuffle again. JFK is still constrained by the original layout of individual terminals for each airline that was created in the mid to late 1940's. That is over 75 years ago well before civilian jet transports and wide bodied jets. Back in the 1940's Idelwild was the primary airport for traveling between Europe and the US. The bulk of transatlantc passenger traffic was on ocean liners that traveled traveled to and from New York and connected by rail to the rest of the US.

There are better hubs in the US for the purpose of connecting traffic. AA is now concentrating its east coast connections at PHL. Even UA is limited on growth at EWR and is developing more traffic at IAD to supplement EWR on the east coast. The reason for foreign airlines to fly into NYC area airports is for O&D to the largest city in the US. If SAS is changing it's NYC airport from EWR to JFK, it's because they are primarily going after O&D traffic and not really worrying about connections on the NYC end.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:53 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
janders wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work


From my knowledge before retiring a few years ago, United does not do much for SAS at EWR.
SAS is largely an outcast like TAP, Turkish and others in Star.
United is invested to its LH group JV and provides such itineraries preferential pricing and seat inventory.

Also let’s remember not everyone wants to access NYC via EWR. Plenty of Star partners make their primary NYC gateway at JFK.


None of the NYC area airports are good hubs for connections. If you have to change terminals for connections, NYC airports are terrible


Disagree. Both EWR and JFK have airtrains that run between the terminals. It is super easy.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:55 pm

AEROFAN wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
janders wrote:

From my knowledge before retiring a few years ago, United does not do much for SAS at EWR.
SAS is largely an outcast like TAP, Turkish and others in Star.
United is invested to its LH group JV and provides such itineraries preferential pricing and seat inventory.

Also let’s remember not everyone wants to access NYC via EWR. Plenty of Star partners make their primary NYC gateway at JFK.


None of the NYC area airports are good hubs for connections. If you have to change terminals for connections, NYC airports are terrible


Disagree. Both EWR and JFK have airtrains that run between the terminals. It is super easy.


Except they require leaving security. That's not bad of connecting from the international leg, but is needlessly painful when connecting from a domestic
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:10 pm

Great to see them back! I did not think they would ever return to JFK, as long as they were part of the * Alliance. Fond memories of them at JFK when I was small, loved that old livery with the three flags on the fuselage. (1989 or so)
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:20 pm

Great to see SAS at JFK again. Why they ever left for Newark of all places never made much sense to me. That move is a legacy of a transaction in 1988 when SAS purchased a 20% in Continental. Much is made on this board about Star's Lack of strength at JFK, Its the main gateway to New York City. Star can fill an A350 or 777 from anyplace in the world and fly nonstop to JFK. Compare the number of Star Flights to JFK vs. Newark and JFK wins. Air New Zealand even flies to JFK. South African flew to JFK( when they flew to NYC). JFK is NY's king of interational flights even with the United hub at EWR.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:21 pm

flyguy1 wrote:
Great to see them back! I did not think they would ever return to JFK, as long as they were part of the * Alliance. Fond memories of them at JFK when I was small, loved that old livery with the three flags on the fuselage. (1989 or so)


I remember flying on a DC10 JFK - CPH in 1988 ish in Business Class .... it was so classy and the food was amazing.
Old style biz class compared to today but the service and atmosphere was fabulous.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:13 pm

Someone83 wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work.

The timing of the flights is interesting as well: it completely avoids the late-afternoon/early-evening international departure rush-hour. However, it is going to operate from Terminal 7, which is on its way out - I wonder if they will be moving to Terminal 1 in the meantime?


You seems to ignore the fact that SAS has their own feed at the CPH end.


Yeah, that's not the point of this thread. We all know very good and well that CPH is an SAS hub, and has lots of connecting flights.

United has feed at EWR, and Delta has feed at JFK. SAS has its feed at CPH, and now it feels it can fill both planes to Newark and Kennedy, regardless of any connecting passengers from U.S.-based airlines at either end, partner airline or not. That's all.
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:40 pm

Those SK JFK times fit perfectly for any SK passenger wishing to connect with Star Alliance CM PTY flights; however, that'd be a connection between T7 and T4.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:01 pm

I was hoping they would put one of these A321s on OSL-ORD since there are so many onward connections from ORD. Us Norwegian SK customers always feel neglected which is why Norwegian were able to enter the market and get so much traction. Seems like SK never learns
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:45 pm

Sure this works with the "tiny A321neo". But SAS is a network airline and CPH is a hub so they should try to bring this at least to some A330 sized aircraft. Two cities with a lot of travellers. Or do they intend to go by the hour or similar? With many flights per day?
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:59 pm

Noshow wrote:
Sure this works with the "tiny A321neo". But SAS is a network airline and CPH is a hub so they should try to bring this at least to some A330 sized aircraft. Two cities with a lot of travellers. Or do they intend to go by the hour or similar? With many flights per day?

They are planning to use the A330 for the summer season.

The A321neo is probably the perfect plane for winter when you consider all their capacity at EWR (nonstops to CPH, OSL, and ARN). It’s not like many people are lining up to go to Scandinavia in the dead of winter.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:07 pm

People do their holiday travel, expats go back to their home countries and such. If there is a winter big city destination for Christmas shopping and new year's eve anywhere it is New York City.
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:30 pm

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People do their holiday travel, expats go back to their home countries and such. If there is a winter big city destination for Christmas shopping and new year's eve anywhere it is New York City.

Not enough to profitably fill A330s, especially as I mentioned earlier there are 3 other flights between the NYC area and Scandinavia on just SAS metal alone. Then you have DL and Norse.

Xmas and New Years shopping just helps fill the plane in December. You still have January and February.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:10 pm

3D101CA wrote:
Keep in mind that Delta is only serving JFK-CPH on a seasonal basis. So SAS will be the only year round operator between CPH and JFK. It's seasonal competition and nothing more than that.

CPH-JFK is an addition to the twice daily CPH-EWR operated on a seasonal basis (once daily operated year round).


It appears that DL is going year round on this - or at least very close to year round. They are now extended to 5-days a week until January 8th. That would be a very short off season if the "shoulder" goes into January.

But as others have said, with the significant difference in feed I think there is plenty of room for both carriers on this route.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:10 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
JFK and Star Alliance carriers are always going to be a tricky thing, given that there is near-zero feed versus EWR. CPH-JFK is going to rely solely on O&D traffic. Apparently, the bean counters believe they can make it work.

The timing of the flights is interesting as well: it completely avoids the late-afternoon/early-evening international departure rush-hour. However, it is going to operate from Terminal 7, which is on its way out - I wonder if they will be moving to Terminal 1 in the meantime?


You seems to ignore the fact that SAS has their own feed at the CPH end.


Yeah, that's not the point of this thread. We all know very good and well that CPH is an SAS hub, and has lots of connecting flights.

United has feed at EWR, and Delta has feed at JFK. SAS has its feed at CPH, and now it feels it can fill both planes to Newark and Kennedy, regardless of any connecting passengers from U.S.-based airlines at either end, partner airline or not. That's all.


Sure, but you specifically said that this route "is going to rely solely on O&D traffic", which simply is not the case when SK has a hub on the CPH end.

And even if you tried to specifically mean that "O&D on the NYC end", that's not too bad since NYC is THE destination in the US for O&D traffic.

Although,

2travel2know2 wrote:
Those SK JFK times fit perfectly for any SK passenger wishing to connect with Star Alliance CM PTY flights; however, that'd be a connection between T7 and T4.


this must surely, absolutely be the master plan for the timings of these flights on the JFK end.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:20 pm

janders wrote:

SAS is largely an outcast


Whats the reasoning behind this? I mean I know that airlines get to chose their own destinies. Being a founding member of *A doesnt necessarily mean much nowadays with having to be in dept when it comes to code sharing and all that...
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:21 am

crosscheckyyz wrote:
janders wrote:

SAS is largely an outcast


Whats the reasoning behind this?


Because United and Lufthansa have a JV, much more than just code-sharing. Further, Lufthansa and SAS are competing for similar traffic flows in Northern Europe, so Lufthansa have no interest in including them within the Atlantic JV or cooperating with them in any meaningful way. United are going to keep putting their pax on LH (and subsidiaries) as the JV means that is in their financial best-interest.

Being members of the same alliance counts for very little these days. It’s bilateral JVs and ATI partnerships that count, which is why we are seeing more and more out-of-alliance agreements.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:35 pm

EFHK wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Someone83 wrote:

You seems to ignore the fact that SAS has their own feed at the CPH end.


Yeah, that's not the point of this thread. We all know very good and well that CPH is an SAS hub, and has lots of connecting flights.

United has feed at EWR, and Delta has feed at JFK. SAS has its feed at CPH, and now it feels it can fill both planes to Newark and Kennedy, regardless of any connecting passengers from U.S.-based airlines at either end, partner airline or not. That's all.


Sure, but you specifically said that this route "is going to rely solely on O&D traffic", which simply is not the case when SK has a hub on the CPH end.

And even if you tried to specifically mean that "O&D on the NYC end", that's not too bad since NYC is THE destination in the US for O&D traffic.

Although,

2travel2know2 wrote:
Those SK JFK times fit perfectly for any SK passenger wishing to connect with Star Alliance CM PTY flights; however, that'd be a connection between T7 and T4.


this must surely, absolutely be the master plan for the timings of these flights on the JFK end.


I will be sure to spell it out for EVERYONE next time I discuss this topic so that there is NO DOUBT that SAS has feed from CPH. My apologies to those who did not know that Copenhagen is a hub for SAS. Sorry for the confusion, but now you know.

Yikes.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:22 pm

A possible catalyst to put JFK back to the network could also be the availability of excess aircraft. With the Ukraine conflict, Chinese limitations and extended routing to Japan, SAS has already been forced to mothball some of it's widebody fleet including new A350s. Hence adding JFK to complement NCY frequencies with limited additional marketing to tap into an already vibrant area is a good thing, and good use of available metal. With AY offering ARN-JFK and Norwegian startups flying to Kennedy and encroaching SAS's catchment, JFK makes sense. The late evening departure out of CPH allows SAS to capture any connection from their Scandinavian network and nibble a bit from northern Europe all destined for the greater NYC area, and returning back similar benefits to New Yorkers enjoying their whole day before leaving for Scandinavia late in the evening and not having to fight the traffic on the Van Wyck.

And I would assume with this flight going daily in the summer, SAS may not offer the late EWR SK 901- 902 come summer of 2023?
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:36 pm

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And I would assume with this flight going daily in the summer, SAS may not offer the late EWR SK 901- 902 come summer of 2023?


Current plan is to offer SK901/902 S23 as well. I.e 3x daily from CPH to New York area
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:55 pm

If they maintain 3X daily form CPH to NYC in the peek summer time then I would think 901/902 would be A321N. Other than capturing traffic away from Norse and Finn out of JFK, I imagine a lot of cargo capacity can be gained when utilizing A330/A350s at Kennedy.

Any idea the flight numbers for Kennedy? My guess SK913/914? If memory serves me correct that was used for the second Jumbo into JFK in the good old summer peek days!
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:22 pm

madviking wrote:
If they maintain 3X daily form CPH to NYC in the peek summer time then I would think 901/902 would be A321N. Other than capturing traffic away from Norse and Finn out of JFK, I imagine a lot of cargo capacity can be gained when utilizing A330/A350s at Kennedy.

Any idea the flight numbers for Kennedy? My guess SK913/914? If memory serves me correct that was used for the second Jumbo into JFK in the good old summer peek days!


The summer schedule for NYC is already public and out.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221124-skfeb23jfk

The new JFK flight will be SK929/920 with A330 (subject to change) on a daily basis.
The EWR evning flight (SK901/902) will be with A321LR also on daily basis, which means SAS will have 3 daily CPH-EWR/JFK flights next summer.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:32 pm

madviking wrote:
If they maintain 3X daily form CPH to NYC in the peek summer time then I would think 901/902 would be A321N. Other than capturing traffic away from Norse and Finn out of JFK, I imagine a lot of cargo capacity can be gained when utilizing A330/A350s at Kennedy.


While the schedule confirms you are right about JFK being an A330 and the second EWR being an A321, cargo is unlikely to be the reason for JFK using an A330. EWR is a better airport for cargo, being right next to Port of Newark and I95, with plenty of freight forwarders and logistics companies in the immediate vicinity.
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:09 am

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I was hoping they would put one of these A321s on OSL-ORD since there are so many onward connections from ORD. Us Norwegian SK customers always feel neglected which is why Norwegian were able to enter the market and get so much traction. Seems like SK never learns

I’d be *beyond* thrilled to see OSL-ORD on SK (or anyone, for that matter).
 
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Re: SAS launching CPH-JFK

Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:41 pm

SK will probably start routes from Bergen - Gothenburg - Aarhus/Billund ? with an A321LR which was the original plan when leasing the A321LR - announced back in early 2019 to NYC - JFK or EWR ?

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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos