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Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:59 pm

Cook Islands announces direct service to Hawai’i with Hawaiian Airlines

Prime Minister Mark Brown of the Cook Islands on Wednesday announced that Hawaiian Airlines will begin flying to the Cook Islands from Honolulu starting May 20, 2023.
In a statement Brown said: “After many months of active discussions, my officials have completed the due diligence and paperwork that will see Hawaiian Airlines commence this flight in the second quarter of next year. These flights will provide important access to the North American market for the Cook Islands’ tourism sector, forming a key pillar in our recovery from Covid-19.”


https://www.cookislandsnews.com/interna ... wFcyUUiDWI


Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:02 pm

Mortyman wrote:
Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?


A321neo per the airline:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90497.html
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:12 pm

I am happy to see this, the Cook Islands is beautiful and needs a North American link. HA makes a lot of sense imo.

A new SYD link is mentioned in that article as well.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:28 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?


A321neo per the airline:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90497.html


Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:32 pm

Since NZ stopped their LAX-RAR flight it has been hard to reach the Cook Islands from the US. So this is a great addition.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:43 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?


A321neo per the airline:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90497.html


The schedule is interesting since the aircraft sits at RAR for ~25 hours. Probably uses fewer pilot hours than carrying a crew out to operate the return flight, though. Obviously there's got to be some slack in the A21N fleet.

smi0006 wrote:
Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?


I think this would be tough for HA to manage from a crew perspective.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:53 pm

smi0006 wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?


A321neo per the airline:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90497.html


Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?


That seems a bit odd, but I guess if it’s underwritten it might make it viable for HA. Would be 7.5hrs RAR-SYD.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:00 pm

I would love to return to Rarotonga, and take a trip up to Aitutaki to revisit one of the most beautiful coral atolls. I'm thrilled my hometown airline is going to pick up the route.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:00 pm

ScottB wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?


A321neo per the airline:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90497.html


The schedule is interesting since the aircraft sits at RAR for ~25 hours. Probably uses fewer pilot hours than carrying a crew out to operate the return flight, though. Obviously there's got to be some slack in the A21N fleet.

smi0006 wrote:
Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?


I think this would be tough for HA to manage from a crew perspective.


That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.
 
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ZK-NBT wrote:
That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.


The Cook Islands and Hawai'i share a time zone, UTC-10.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
ScottB wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:


The schedule is interesting since the aircraft sits at RAR for ~25 hours. Probably uses fewer pilot hours than carrying a crew out to operate the return flight, though. Obviously there's got to be some slack in the A21N fleet.

smi0006 wrote:
Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?


I think this would be tough for HA to manage from a crew perspective.


That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.


The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:23 pm

There must be some subsidy for this route. Can the A321neo fly HNL-GUM with full payload? The islanders in Guam are SICK of the UA monopoly.
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:23 pm

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I am happy to see this, the Cook Islands is beautiful and needs a North American link. HA makes a lot of sense imo.

A new SYD link is mentioned in that article as well.



Nah, before covid, there were already too many tourists . I miss the charm of the mid 2000's
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:24 pm

Mortyman wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I am happy to see this, the Cook Islands is beautiful and needs a North American link. HA makes a lot of sense imo.

A new SYD link is mentioned in that article as well.



Nah, before covid, there were already too many tourists . I miss the charm of the mid 2000's



While I agree with you, the local economy relies heavily on tourism to give the locals work.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 pm

PA110 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
ScottB wrote:

The schedule is interesting since the aircraft sits at RAR for ~25 hours. Probably uses fewer pilot hours than carrying a crew out to operate the return flight, though. Obviously there's got to be some slack in the A21N fleet.



I think this would be tough for HA to manage from a crew perspective.


That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.


The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1


No, it arrives Saturday 22:25 and doesn't depart until Sunday 23:35, so it's on the ground 25 hours 10 minutes
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:47 pm

Kiwiandrew wrote:
PA110 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.


The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1


No, it arrives Saturday 22:25 and doesn't depart until Sunday 23:35, so it's on the ground 25 hours 10 minutes


Yes it does seem so.

RAR doesn’t have much space to park aircraft A321 size, 2 gates? Not sure if any away from the terminal?
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:41 pm

I'm surprised they didn't make this a tag for the PPG flight and increase frequency. Way more freight flexibility and capacity.
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
PA110 wrote:

The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1


No, it arrives Saturday 22:25 and doesn't depart until Sunday 23:35, so it's on the ground 25 hours 10 minutes


Yes it does seem so.

RAR doesn’t have much space to park aircraft A321 size, 2 gates? Not sure if any away from the terminal?


I don't know the details about parking, but they have visits by Boeing 787's and in the past Boeing 777-200, Boeing 767 and Boeing 747's. So they must have some space.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:11 am

Mortyman wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:

No, it arrives Saturday 22:25 and doesn't depart until Sunday 23:35, so it's on the ground 25 hours 10 minutes


Yes it does seem so.

RAR doesn’t have much space to park aircraft A321 size, 2 gates? Not sure if any away from the terminal?


I don't know the details about parking, but they have visits by Boeing 787's and in the past Boeing 777-200, Boeing 767 and Boeing 747's. So they must have some space.


Pretty sure they have 2 wide body gates, I’m not sure if they can fit 4 narrow bodies in the same space?

NZ sent 77W a few times recently and has visited pre covid as well.
 
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ZK-NBT wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:


Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?


That seems a bit odd, but I guess if it’s underwritten it might make it viable for HA. Would be 7.5hrs RAR-SYD.


Correction to the rumour - apparently could be JQ SYD-RAR makes sense as they have LR. Route was underwritten for NZ along with LAX.

Updated - not a rumour JQ 2x weekly 321LR
https://www.miragenews.com/jetstar-to-t ... ds-906683/

Looks like Cook Islands government has been drumming up some flying! Always tricky with an island - capacity is always limited by accomodation.
 
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MIflyer12 wrote:
I'm surprised they didn't make this a tag for the PPG flight and increase frequency. Way more freight flexibility and capacity.


There's not that much trade between the U.S. and Cook Islands; the latter is in free association with New Zealand and N.Z. is their primary trading partner. Freight capacity could open up opportunities but I expect it's not terribly cost-competitive to ship goods from the U.S. mainland via HNL versus from AKL.

Plus I imagine the American Samoans wouldn't be that thrilled about the trade-off between maybe one additional weekly frequency for an extra ~4 hours journey time in one direction.
 
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x1234 wrote:
There must be some subsidy for this route. Can the A321neo fly HNL-GUM with full payload? The islanders in Guam are SICK of the UA monopoly.


May be pushing it too close with the standard Neo's capability, especially with ETOPS. If HA had the LR, it should be a bit better. The XLR though wouldn't have a problem I believe. Speaking of...it's honestly surprising that HA hasn't jumped into the "Island Hopper" route.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:44 am

smi0006 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?


That seems a bit odd, but I guess if it’s underwritten it might make it viable for HA. Would be 7.5hrs RAR-SYD.


Correction to the rumour - apparently could be JQ SYD-RAR makes sense as they have LR. Route was underwritten for NZ along with LAX.

That is a long time to sit on a JQ a321LR seat…
Updated - not a rumour JQ 2x weekly 321LR
https://www.miragenews.com/jetstar-to-t ... ds-906683/

Looks like Cook Islands government has been drumming up some flying! Always tricky with an island - capacity is always limited by accomodation.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:47 am

MavyWavyATR wrote:
x1234 wrote:
There must be some subsidy for this route. Can the A321neo fly HNL-GUM with full payload? The islanders in Guam are SICK of the UA monopoly.


May be pushing it too close with the standard Neo's capability, especially with ETOPS. If HA had the LR, it should be a bit better. The XLR though wouldn't have a problem I believe. Speaking of...it's honestly surprising that HA hasn't jumped into the "Island Hopper" route.

The Island Hopper is too expensive to operate without enough traffic for a second airline, especially as UA likely holds various contracts for the route.

With the heavy government (military) presence on Guam UA holding the government contracts is likely why you also don’t see HA on HNL-GUM.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:51 am

ScottB wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
I'm surprised they didn't make this a tag for the PPG flight and increase frequency. Way more freight flexibility and capacity.


There's not that much trade between the U.S. and Cook Islands; the latter is in free association with New Zealand and N.Z. is their primary trading partner. Freight capacity could open up opportunities but I expect it's not terribly cost-competitive to ship goods from the U.S. mainland via HNL versus from AKL.

Plus I imagine the American Samoans wouldn't be that thrilled about the trade-off between maybe one additional weekly frequency for an extra ~4 hours journey time in one direction.


I wouldn't presume a triangle route for just that reason: HNL-PPG-RAR, RAR-PPG-HNL.
 
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Polot wrote:
With the heavy government (military) presence on Guam UA holding the government contracts is likely why you also don’t see HA on HNL-GUM.


Federal government contracts are re-awarded annually. So there is an opportunity for Hawaiian to bid on Guam contracts, but I don’t know how GSA would consider a bid based on prospective service, or if Hawaiian would have to start the route first without the contract, then bid and hope to win some. And they’re city-pair based, so even if United kept the HNL-GUM contract, Hawaiian could potentially still win LAX-GUM, with a connection in HNL.
 
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I feel like the ~7000-foot runway length coupled with the 3000 mile flight distance could make for an interesting payload situation. Though both airports sitting at essentially 0 ft should help.
 
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I feel like the ~7000-foot runway length coupled with the 3000 mile flight distance could make for an interesting payload situation. Though both airports sitting at essentially 0 ft should help.


The NEO should be ok I would think with 189 seats.
 
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hawaiian717 wrote:
Polot wrote:
With the heavy government (military) presence on Guam UA holding the government contracts is likely why you also don’t see HA on HNL-GUM.


Federal government contracts are re-awarded annually. So there is an opportunity for Hawaiian to bid on Guam contracts, but I don’t know how GSA would consider a bid based on prospective service, or if Hawaiian would have to start the route first without the contract, then bid and hope to win some. And they’re city-pair based, so even if United kept the HNL-GUM contract, Hawaiian could potentially still win LAX-GUM, with a connection in HNL.

And HA would still be competing against UA's GUM hub. The fact that HA hasn't operated this route says everything.
 
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HNL-RAR is almost exactly the same distance as HNL-PHX and the A321NEO does fine on that.
 
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HNL-RAR is almost exactly the same distance as HNL-PHX and the A321NEO does fine on that.

Not saying it can't do it, but HNL-PHX has alternates which need to be taken in to account for HNL-RAR. Probaby PPG, TRW and PPT would be the most likely.
 
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TWA772LR wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:
HNL-RAR is almost exactly the same distance as HNL-PHX and the A321NEO does fine on that.

Not saying it can't do it, but HNL-PHX has alternates which need to be taken in to account for HNL-RAR. Probaby PPG, TRW and PPT would be the most likely.


TRW is nowhere near RAR.

The nearest airport that could be used as an alternative would IUE, which is Niue. It has 7660 ft available and is easily the closest. Besides that there are PPG and PPT as you said plus APW in Samoa. There is also CXI which is Kiribati, just under 7000 ft and basically half way on the direct track from HNL to RAR.
 
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CMHtraveler wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?


A321neo per the airline:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90497.html

The link notes once per week service. So it seems as if too small of demand for anything larger. That said, one can hope service grows to 2x week in the future.

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TWA772LR wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:
HNL-RAR is almost exactly the same distance as HNL-PHX and the A321NEO does fine on that.

Not saying it can't do it, but HNL-PHX has alternates which need to be taken in to account for HNL-RAR. Probaby PPG, TRW and PPT would be the most likely.


The A321xlr can likely do LAX-RAR. Something for AA?
 
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tvh wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:
HNL-RAR is almost exactly the same distance as HNL-PHX and the A321NEO does fine on that.

Not saying it can't do it, but HNL-PHX has alternates which need to be taken in to account for HNL-RAR. Probaby PPG, TRW and PPT would be the most likely.


The A321xlr can likely do LAX-RAR. Something for AA?

HA has always operated HNL-PHX on A330, it never operated A321. HA in 2021 operated OGG-PHX as A321 for one season only and service never returned
 
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ZK-NBT wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
I feel like the ~7000-foot runway length coupled with the 3000 mile flight distance could make for an interesting payload situation. Though both airports sitting at essentially 0 ft should help.


The NEO should be ok I would think with 189 seats.

I agree ... 1 NEO once a week should be just fine ,,, I think it will work out well for HA
 
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ZK-NBT wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
I feel like the ~7000-foot runway length coupled with the 3000 mile flight distance could make for an interesting payload situation. Though both airports sitting at essentially 0 ft should help.


The NEO should be ok I would think with 189 seats.

Per Hawaiian Air mgmt:
Our A321neo servicing this route will be weight restricted to ensure the safety of the flight for Extended Twin Engine Operations (ETOPS) — please keep these seat counts in mind if you plan to Pass Travel to the Cook Islands:
165 passengers HNL-RAR
175 passengers RAR-HNL
 
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hawaiian717 wrote:
Polot wrote:
With the heavy government (military) presence on Guam UA holding the government contracts is likely why you also don’t see HA on HNL-GUM.


Federal government contracts are re-awarded annually. So there is an opportunity for Hawaiian to bid on Guam contracts, but I don’t know how GSA would consider a bid based on prospective service, or if Hawaiian would have to start the route first without the contract, then bid and hope to win some. And they’re city-pair based, so even if United kept the HNL-GUM contract, Hawaiian could potentially still win LAX-GUM, with a connection in HNL.

And HA would still be competing against UA's GUM hub. The fact that HA hasn't operated this route says everything.


That and they haven't and still don't have the right airplane for it.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:11 pm

Hawaiian has operated Honolulu-Rarotonga in the past.....

From April 1989:

Image

From June 1990:

Image
 
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Kiwiandrew wrote:
PA110 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.


The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1


No, it arrives Saturday 22:25 and doesn't depart until Sunday 23:35, so it's on the ground 25 hours 10 minutes

A Saturday night layover in the Cook Islands. Now that is something to put on your Instagram…
 
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Hawaiian has operated Honolulu-Rarotonga in the past.....

From April 1989:

Image

From June 1990:

Image



Thank you for posting these; as I seem to recall, HA flew to the Cook Islands with DC-8 service between 1987 to 1993. I believe they dropped a lot of that Pacific network when they retired the DC-8s as the L-1011's were too big for places like Apia, Pago Pago, Tonga, and Rarotonga.



I've always thought that Hawaiian has ignored destinations in the Pacific since it got rid of its DC-8s and hasn't done much to explore those markets even with the advent of the A321s in their fleet. Would be nice to see them return to all those destinations like Apia and Tonga.
 
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FlyingElvii wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
PA110 wrote:

The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1


No, it arrives Saturday 22:25 and doesn't depart until Sunday 23:35, so it's on the ground 25 hours 10 minutes

A Saturday night layover in the Cook Islands. Now that is something to put on your Instagram…



Nope, while the Cook Islands and the Hawaiian Islands may be in the same time zone, they are on different sides of the dateline ! The aircraft departs HNL at 1600 hrs but arrives at RAR at 2225 hrs THE NEXT DAY - and will be on the ground for 70 mins only. On the flight back it will arrive at HNL on the same day it departed from RAR...
 
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Kiwiandrew wrote:

No, it arrives Saturday 22:25 and doesn't depart until Sunday 23:35, so it's on the ground 25 hours 10 minutes

A Saturday night layover in the Cook Islands. Now that is something to put on your Instagram…



Nope, while the Cook Islands and the Hawaiian Islands may be in the same time zone, they are on different sides of the dateline ! The aircraft departs HNL at 1600 hrs but arrives at RAR at 2225 hrs THE NEXT DAY - and will be on the ground for 70 mins only. On the flight back it will arrive at HNL on the same day it departed from RAR...


That’s incorrect. The Cook Islands are in the same time zone as Hawaii and on the same side of the dateline. The aircraft will indeed be on the ground 25 hours and 10 minutes.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:24 pm

smi0006 wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Nice. will it really be flown by an Airbus 330 though ?


A321neo per the airline:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90497.html


Rumour this could be extended to SYD at some point, picking up NZ formerly underwritten routes. A 321 makes more sense than a 789 - but can it do RAR-SYD in HAs config?


RAR-SYD is only :20 minutes longer than HNL-RAR and stays with 90 minutes of an alternate for all but two very brief parts of the route. I think the difficulty for HA would be crew management (would have to keep some crew at RAR for both legs), which is hardly an insurmountable problem.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:34 pm

PA110 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
ScottB wrote:

The schedule is interesting since the aircraft sits at RAR for ~25 hours. Probably uses fewer pilot hours than carrying a crew out to operate the return flight, though. Obviously there's got to be some slack in the A21N fleet.



I think this would be tough for HA to manage from a crew perspective.


That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.


The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1


Was gonna say, leaving a brand new, expensive airplane on tarmac that long would be crazy. If the flight is 6.5 hours each way, that is 26 pilot hours. Possibly that could be crewed with 3 pilots? Not sure, but just saying that would be easier than letting a NEO sit 24 hours.

Edit: well I still think it’s crazy if they indeed sitting 25 hours.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:20 pm

departedflights wrote:
Hawaiian has operated Honolulu-Rarotonga in the past.....

From April 1989:

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From June 1990:

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These are such cool maps...
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:40 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
PA110 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

That is interesting, not sure if is correct though? I think it would get to RAR the next day so 2225 Sunday night? RAR can I believe only park 2 jets and having 1 on the ground for 25hrs doesn’t seem great if NZ or JQ get delayed and HA is there.


The plane only sits on the ground for a little over an hour.
HA 495 departs HNL 16:00, arrives RAR 22:25
HA 496 departs RAR 23:35, arrives HNL 05:50 +1


Was gonna say, leaving a brand new, expensive airplane on tarmac that long would be crazy. If the flight is 6.5 hours each way, that is 26 pilot hours. Possibly that could be crewed with 3 pilots? Not sure, but just saying that would be easier than letting a NEO sit 24 hours.

Edit: well I still think it’s crazy if they indeed sitting 25 hours.


Which makes me wonder if they are planning to extend the flight on beyond RAR. But just waiting for approval to do so.

The Cook Islands are technically part of New Zealand, so getting rights to fly onto AKL shouldn’t be too hard.

Or they could look at extending it to NAN.

When NZ still had International 733s they had a weekly RAR-NAN service.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:51 pm

The 25hr ground time makes more sense as it'll be the same crew taking it out as it is bringing it in to RAR. The 25hrs will be their overnight.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:25 pm

OAHU747 wrote:
The 25hr ground time makes more sense as it'll be the same crew taking it out as it is bringing it in to RAR. The 25hrs will be their overnight.


That’s what it will be. I guess over the weekend it isn’t such an issue.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines to fly between Hawaii and the Cook Islands

Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:50 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:
The 25hr ground time makes more sense as it'll be the same crew taking it out as it is bringing it in to RAR. The 25hrs will be their overnight.


That’s what it will be. I guess over the weekend it isn’t such an issue.


Since these flights are aimed at the tourism market, one potential issue may be the fact that visitors will have to stay eight days -- so assuming weeklong stays for guests from the U.S., the passengers on both the arriving flight and departing flight will overlap for Saturday night; i.e. there's double the demand for rooms on one night per week than for the other six. This may be less of an issue as long as the visitors arriving on HA are a relatively small fraction of the total number of visitors to Rarotonga.

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