MO11 wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

Aeronaves has ordered an additional Boeing 734F bringing their total to 8 734F’s. It will be converted by AEI at Dothan.

In the last three weeks, it has purchased two: one ex-Cargo Air (Bulgaria), and the other ex-ASL. Both are already freighters. That would bring the total to 14, if all of the -400s that it acquired are placed into service.

They planned to have a fleet of 22 737-400 freighters per air cargo news.

MCOflyer wrote:

MO11 wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

Aeronaves has ordered an additional Boeing 734F bringing their total to 8 734F’s. It will be converted by AEI at Dothan.

In the last three weeks, it has purchased two: one ex-Cargo Air (Bulgaria), and the other ex-ASL. Both are already freighters. That would bring the total to 14, if all of the -400s that it acquired are placed into service.

They planned to have a fleet of 22 737-400 freighters per air cargo news.

It's pretty difficult to judge how many they are going to have. They purchase lots of frames simply for parts, or they will decide ten years down the road from now to convert that frame or deploy it into service.

XA-ADQ, XA-TIF, and XA-VEW (which are all in service but very difficult to track - do not operate outside of Mexico) were all purchased as converted. XA-VEV and XA-VFM were converted by AEI at Dothan. N318SP and N361GT are at DHN for conversion now. N923NZ was finished in February, and N37FF was finished in November (unsure what Mexican regs are for these two). N388TM was the Transair conversion at DHN that Aeronaves picked up after their collapse, which was delivered in April 2022. That's 7 converted or being converted at DHN. So, it sounds like there is another one coming to DHN once N318SP. They also own a few others that were purchased as freighters.

Haven't done one of these in a while - here is the full list of aircraft at DHN, as well as the frames that have received work there since June 2022. They have seen a substantial increase in their MRO + paint business, especially for passenger airlines, over the last few months.

Incomplete or awaiting delivery (conversions with initial work done in Miami noted with *):

N916BR, B737-800F, current iAero Airways, arrived at DHN 3/6/2023 for ?

N207FR, A320, former Frontier Airlines, due Avianca (Colombia), arrived at DHN on 2/23/2023 to be turned over to Avianca

N977EV, CRJ-200, former Delta Connection, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN 2/16/2023 for conversion

N948AV, A320, former InterJet (Mexico), due Avianca (Colombia), arrived at DHN on 2/9/2023

N979DL, MD-88, former Delta, due Everts Air Cargo, arrived at DHN 1/28/23 for conversion

2-TSPP, B737-800, former SpiceJet (India), due ?, arrived at DHN on 12/22/22, awaiting conversion

N361GT, B737-400, former British Airways (UK), due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 11/18/22, awaiting conversion

N458UW, B737-400, current iAero Airways, arrived at DHN on 11/13/22, probably for MRO work, unknown status

N973EV, CRJ-200, former Delta Connection, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 10/20/22, awaiting conversion as of last update

N903DE, MD-88, former Delta, due USA Jet as N842US, arrived at DHN on 10/6/22, awaiting conversion as of last update

N308BR, B737-800, former Sriwijaya Air (Indonesia), due ?, arrived at DHN on 9/9/22, unknown status

N318SP, B737-400, former Peruvian Airways, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN 9/1/22, in conversion as of last update

VQ-BUZ, B737-800, former Belavia (Belarus), due ?, arrived at DHN 7/11/22, in storage on ramp as of last update, probably awaiting conversion

N237GE, B737-800, former Sriwijaya Air (Indonesia), due Sideral Linhas Aereas as PR-SLH, arrived at DHN on 6/12/22, in conversion as of last update

LZ-MRX, B737-800, former Sriwijaya Air (Indonesia), formerly due WiseWay Cargo (Australia) as P4-WCA (was painted) but is now TBD, arrived at DHN on 1/15/22, painted into WiseWay colors for a few months but is apparently not going to WiseWay Cargo anymore, ran a test flight on 11/28/22

EI-FLM*, B737-800, former Neos (Italy), now due Aerolineas Argentina (Argentina) as LV-KHQ, arrived at DHN on 12/22/21 for paint after conversion at MIA, was painted into Kenya Airways Cargo livery, paint was stripped and went into all white, unknown current status but recently announced that this is going to Aerolineas Argentina in first quarter 2023

2-EZRA, B737-800, former NokAir (Thailand) due ?, arrived at DHN on 11/19/21, was in conversion as of last on the ground observation

2-GATE, B737-800, former Thai Summer (Thailand), due ?, arrived at DHN on 10/9/21, ran test flight on 2/24/23, conversion finished?

N290BR, B737-800, former Ukraine International (Ukraine), due West Atlantic (Sweden), arrived at DHN on 7/1/21, finished conversion and painted into West Atlantic colors (unsure if it still is in West Atlantic)

N539RL, B737-800, former Regent Airways (Bangladesh) w/o winglets, due Sideral Linhas Aereas (Brazil) as PR-SLP, arrived at DHN 6/12/21, exited conversion



Completed and delivered since June 2022:

N834US, MD-88F, USA Jet, was at DHN from 5/30 - 6/4 for maintenance after a diversion to DHN en route from GSP-LRD

HL8355, B737-800F, Air Incheon Cargo (South Korea), formerly EI-GWX, was at DHN from 2/21 - 6/4 after about 5 months at MIA

C-GGWF, B737-400, OWG (Canada), was at DHN from 5/24 - 6/13 for paint and preparation for service for OWG, returned again from 12/4 - 12/16 for unknown reason

N304AV, A320, Ultra Air (Colombia), was at DHN from 5/4 - 6/11 for preparation for service for Ultra Air (arrived in new livery from TUS)

EI-GWP, B737-800, former SunExpress (Turkey), delivered to Compass Air Cargo (Bulgaria) as LZ-CXC on 6/15 (third Compass conversion by Commercial Jet), arrived at DHN on 3/14 after conversion in Miami

N835US, MD-88F, USA Jet, was at DHN from 3/30/21 to 6/24/22 for conversion

N683BR, CRJ-200F, former Delta Connection, arrived at DHN on 12/16/21, delivered to Aeronaves TSM on 7/28 to SLW

N23FF, B737-400F, former GetJet (Lithuania), due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 10/11/21, delivered to SLW on 9/3/22

N831US, MD-83F, USA Jet, arrived at DHN on 5/27, major mx issue, was fixed and repainted in DHN, ferried back on 9/22

N245GE, B737-800, former Anadolu Jet (Turkey), due Sideral Linhas Aereas (Brazil) as PR-SLA, arrived at DHN on 8/14/21, delivered in all white with Anadolu rudder and was not converted, ferried DHN-MIA-PBM-GIG-CWB 10/5/22

N397SW, B737-300, current iAero, arrived at DHN on 9/7 for likely MRO work and did not appear to receive any new paint (maybe they are doing avionics upgrades?), returned to service on 10/8/22

N681BR, CRJ-200F, former Delta Connection, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 4/22, delivered on 10/21

N836US, MD-88F, former Delta N971DL, due USA Jet, arrived at DHN 4/20/21, delivered on 10/21

N623SW, B737-300, current iAero, arrived at DHN on 10/7 for MRO work, returned to service on 11/9

N37FF, B737-400F, all white w/ GR8 tail, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 2/14, delivered on 11/16

N466WN, B737-700, former Southwest, due Avelo Air, arrived at DHN on 9/12 for paint for Avelo after work in MIA, delivered on 11/22 as N708VL

N708MB, B737-800F, due DHL and operated by iAero Airways, arrived at DHN on 11/16 for either paint and/or conformity maintenance, delivered on 11/30

N538CC, B737-400, iAero Airways, arrived at DHN on 9/24 for probable MRO, returned on 12/28

N837US, MD-88F, former Delta as N976DL, arrived at DHN 4/21/21 for conversion, delivered to USA Jet on 1/13/23

N975EV, CRJ-200F, former Delta Connection, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 7/1/22, delivered on 2/8/23

N923NZ, B737-400, former Electra Airways (Bulgaria), due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 6/24/22, delivered 2/8/23

N206FR, A320, former Frontier Airlines, due Avianca (Colombia), arrived at DHN on 9/25/22 to be turned over to Avianca, delivered 2/13/23

N570MQ, B737-800F, former Aerolineas Argentina (Argentina), returning to Aerolineas Argentina as a freighter w/ reg LV-CTC, arrived at DHN on 4/27/22, delivered 2/21/23

9H-SLG, A321, current Air Transat (Canada) on lease from SmartLynx Malta, arrived at DHN 2/19/2023, possible maintenance issue, only there for one week, departed DHN 2/26/2023

N246LR, CRJ-900, current Mesa Airlines (operating for American Eagle), arrived at DHN 2/14/2023, received new Mesa house paint, returned to Mesa on 3/2/2023

C-GNRD, B737-200C, current Nolinor Aviation (Canada), arrived at DHN on 11/2/22, probably there for MRO work, returned to Nolinor on 3/4/2023

C-GGWV, B737-400, current OWG (Canada), arrived at DHN 1/3/23 for mx (?), returned to OWG on 3/13/23

N635VA, A320, former Alaska Airlines, due Pelita Air Service (Indonesia) as PK-PWE, arrived at DHN 2/1/2023, ran test flight on 3/6/2023, departed DHN on 3/21/2023 DHN-GYR-HNL-?

N244LR, CRJ-900, current Mesa Airlines (operating for American Eagle), arrived at DHN 3/1/2023, transitioning to United Express (probably now in Mesa paint), departed DHN 3/22/2023

https://www.aso.com/listings/spec/ViewA ... gType=true
Former Dubai Airwing 747-400 VIP Combi for sale after transfer to Air Atlanta Icelandic/Jetonex

Former KLM 747-400 PH-BFT, -BFV and -BFW Combis are are for sale or lease:
https://www.amsaircraft.com/available-aircraft

Is there any cargo market for Combis? Without full conversion which is not likely are these dead ducks?

aristoenigma wrote:

Is there any cargo market for Combis? Without full conversion which is not likely are these dead ducks?

No. Yes.

aristoenigma wrote:

https://www.aso.com/listings/spec/ViewAd.aspx?id=191835&listingType=true
Former Dubai Airwing 747-400 VIP Combi for sale after transfer to Air Atlanta Icelandic/Jetonex

Former KLM 747-400 PH-BFT, -BFV and -BFW Combis are are for sale or lease:
https://www.amsaircraft.com/available-aircraft

Is there any cargo market for Combis? Without full conversion which is not likely are these dead ducks?

You think the VIP one would be attractive for a cargo conversion considering the low hours it has.

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

From where? Can't be from Boeing. Can you provide any source?

jbs2886 wrote:

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

From where? Can't be from Boeing. Can you provide any source?

This article doesn't say exactly where the 747's are coming from but it does list inactive 747-8 around the globe. Take your best guess.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/ups- ... fs-in-2024

travaz wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

From where? Can't be from Boeing. Can you provide any source?

This article doesn't say exactly where the 747's are coming from but it does list inactive 747-8 around the globe. Take your best guess.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/ups- ... fs-in-2024

Probably from ABC based in Russia since they can’t do anything due to sanctions

Delta28L wrote:

Probably from ABC based in Russia since they can’t do anything due to sanctions

Possible but unlikely, since the entire fleet is parked at Moscow-SVO. Not sure how easy or hard it is to get them out?

Other options might be:
Qatar Cargo - small fleet of two - perfect match if they want to get rid of them?
NCA - Sold to ANA, shrinking might be necessary to survive? Currently have 8 aircraft.
Air Belgium - 2 active, 1 being prepped for service (ex ABC), operations seem normal however airline has somewhat struggled over time.
Cathay? Cargolux? Less likely.
US registered -8F seems even less likely.

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

So interesting given that it wasn't too long ago that the bean counter CO was patting herself on the back for canceling 747-8s, which Atlas then took.

BOC Aviation repoed an Airbridge 748 over a year ago. It was flown from Hong Kong to California. I thought I had read somewhere that in fact two were repoed

wjcandee wrote:

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

So interesting given that it wasn't too long ago that the bean counter CO was patting herself on the back for canceling 747-8s, which Atlas then took.

I don’t think she cancelled, but just didn’t exercise options. Could be wrong though.

jbs2886 wrote:

wjcandee wrote:

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

So interesting given that it wasn't too long ago that the bean counter CO was patting herself on the back for canceling 747-8s, which Atlas then took.

I don’t think she cancelled, but just didn’t exercise options. Could be wrong though.

“Sweating the assets” indeed.

Though to be fair, they have parked markedly fewer aircraft than FX

The 777-300ERBDSF has had it's first flight:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqK1fcDswIU/

dtw9 wrote:

BOC Aviation repoed an Airbridge 748 over a year ago. It was flown from Hong Kong to California. I thought I had read somewhere that in fact two were repoed

I believe that the one repoed from Hong Kong went to Air Belgium. As I remember it, there was also one repoed from somewhere else though - I want to say Dubai.

zkojq wrote:

The 777-300ERBDSF has had it's first flight:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqK1fcDswIU/

dtw9 wrote:

BOC Aviation repoed an Airbridge 748 over a year ago. It was flown from Hong Kong to California. I thought I had read somewhere that in fact two were repoed

I believe that the one repoed from Hong Kong went to Air Belgium. As I remember it, there was also one repoed from somewhere else though - I want to say Dubai.

I thought it was Sharjah.

The two "saved" 747F's from ABC are :

747-83QF, VQ-BFE, impounded at HKG, stored at HKG 1-25 Mar 2022, stored at SBD 25 Mar - 14 Apr 2022, stored at MZJ 14 Apr 2022 - 25 Jan 2023
Leased to Air Belgium, with registration OE-LFI
Ferried MZJ-BGR-BRU 25-26 Jan 2023, ferried Feb 02 to PEK for maintenance

A second ABC 747F received maintenance at VD Gulf (owner Volga Dnepr Group, parent of ABC) at SHJ, however this was a 747-4HAERF, VP-BIM
Stored at SHJ 11 Feb - 16 Jul 2022, stored at MZJ 20 Jul - 26 Sep 2022
Leased by National Airlines, N663CA, ferried MZJ-HHN at September 27th

Ferried HHN-MCO 7 Nov 2022 , stored (maintenance ?)

aristoenigma wrote:

https://www.aso.com/listings/spec/ViewAd.aspx?id=191835&listingType=true
Former Dubai Airwing 747-400 VIP Combi for sale after transfer to Air Atlanta Icelandic/Jetonex

Former KLM 747-400 PH-BFT, -BFV and -BFW Combis are are for sale or lease:
https://www.amsaircraft.com/available-aircraft

Is there any cargo market for Combis? Without full conversion which is not likely are these dead ducks?

The Combi’s are a mind trip. In the back there is this huge open space with exposed piping and wiring. It look cavernous. The past the wall is a fully finished cabin. One day the combi had its winglet damaged. I stupidly asked the MX guys if I could bring it home. The winglet was massive.

747classic wrote:

Ferried HHN-MCO 7 Nov 2022 , stored (maintenance ?)

MCO is National's home base. In November, the aircraft was at least partially-repainted and bragged about in a twitter post. Four months seems like a long time for conformity and any additional paint.

wjcandee wrote:

747classic wrote:

Ferried HHN-MCO 7 Nov 2022 , stored (maintenance ?)

MCO is National's home base. In November, the aircraft was at least partially-repainted and bragged about in a twitter post. Four months seems like a long time for conformity and any additional paint.

Or the documentation is not complete (or missing), requiring far more maintenance than anticipated to get the "airworthy "status again.

MCOflyer wrote:

aristoenigma wrote:

https://www.aso.com/listings/spec/ViewAd.aspx?id=191835&listingType=true
Former Dubai Airwing 747-400 VIP Combi for sale after transfer to Air Atlanta Icelandic/Jetonex

Former KLM 747-400 PH-BFT, -BFV and -BFW Combis are are for sale or lease:
https://www.amsaircraft.com/available-aircraft

Is there any cargo market for Combis? Without full conversion which is not likely are these dead ducks?

You think the VIP one would be attractive for a cargo conversion considering the low hours it has.

Probably not Ex DL 747’s a couple of them were 2003 YOM with barely 50k hours have been sitting for 8 years they came up for HMV and were parked 2015 never flown again. When the 747-400 converted freighters are retired companies will go for the 777-300F Dedicated freighters with the nose loader will be flown until they time out.

DL757NYC wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

aristoenigma wrote:

https://www.aso.com/listings/spec/ViewAd.aspx?id=191835&listingType=true
Former Dubai Airwing 747-400 VIP Combi for sale after transfer to Air Atlanta Icelandic/Jetonex

Former KLM 747-400 PH-BFT, -BFV and -BFW Combis are are for sale or lease:
https://www.amsaircraft.com/available-aircraft

Is there any cargo market for Combis? Without full conversion which is not likely are these dead ducks?

You think the VIP one would be attractive for a cargo conversion considering the low hours it has.

Probably not Ex DL 747’s a couple of them were 2003 YOM with barely 50k hours have been sitting for 8 years they came up for HMV and were parked 2015 never flown again. When the 747-400 converted freighters are retired companies will go for the 777-300F Dedicated freighters with the nose loader will be flown until they time out.

DL's 747 are full pax aircraft, far more expensive to convert to full freighter status, even pre / during covid the earnback time was too long.
A combi can be converted for approx half of the costs of a full pax 744, however during covid there was no space and/or technicians available for a BDSF conversion at TLV.
But the time for any 744 BDSF conversion (full pax or combi) seems to be over due future noise limitations and rising oil prices.

747classic wrote:

wjcandee wrote:

747classic wrote:

Ferried HHN-MCO 7 Nov 2022 , stored (maintenance ?)

MCO is National's home base. In November, the aircraft was at least partially-repainted and bragged about in a twitter post. Four months seems like a long time for conformity and any additional paint.

Or the documentation is not complete (or missing), requiring far more maintenance than anticipated to get the "airworthy "status again.

They have been seen in various places at MCO in spotter videos over the past few months in a hybrid National paint scheme, with National titles and tail, but original fuselage paint.

I was surprised they were not ready for Peak.

Spacepope wrote:

747classic wrote:

wjcandee wrote:

MCO is National's home base. In November, the aircraft was at least partially-repainted and bragged about in a twitter post. Four months seems like a long time for conformity and any additional paint.

Or the documentation is not complete (or missing), requiring far more maintenance than anticipated to get the "airworthy "status again.

They have been seen in various places at MCO in spotter videos over the past few months in a hybrid National paint scheme, with National titles and tail, but original fuselage paint.

I was surprised they were not ready for Peak.

The same is valid for N537CA National Airlines Boeing 747-446F, ex Cargologicair G-CLAA, impounded at LAX, stored at LAX 11-24 Mar 2022, stored at MZJ 24 Mar - 6 Oct 2022, stored MCO since 5 Nov 2022

N537CA has the same hybrid livery and has still not been active.

Such a waste of the ex-Dubai Air Wing VIP Combi A6-HMM. Dubai 's older active VIP Combi A6-COM had been rumoured to go Jetonex/Air Atlanta Icelandic back at the time.but that seems scrubbed. Probably fairly green time and cycles as well but 8 years older.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -b747-400m

747classic wrote:

DL757NYC wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

You think the VIP one would be attractive for a cargo conversion considering the low hours it has.

Probably not Ex DL 747’s a couple of them were 2003 YOM with barely 50k hours have been sitting for 8 years they came up for HMV and were parked 2015 never flown again. When the 747-400 converted freighters are retired companies will go for the 777-300F Dedicated freighters with the nose loader will be flown until they time out.

DL's 747 are full pax aircraft, far more expensive to convert to full freighter status, even pre / during covid the earnback time was too long.
A combi can be converted for approx half of the costs of a full pax 744, however during covid there was no space and/or technicians available for a BDSF conversion at TLV.
But the time for any 744 BDSF conversion (full pax or combi) seems to be over due future noise limitations and rising oil prices.

Totally get that it is likely over for 744 BDSF conversion but why would IAI still advertise full slot availabikity on their site?
https://www.iai.co.il/p/b747-400bdsf

wjcandee wrote:

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

So interesting given that it wasn't too long ago that the bean counter CO was patting herself on the back for canceling 747-8s, which Atlas then took.

Pre-owned will be much cheaper than brand new from Boeing, so she's saved a significant amount of $$$.

aristoenigma wrote:

747classic wrote:

DL757NYC wrote:

Probably not Ex DL 747’s a couple of them were 2003 YOM with barely 50k hours have been sitting for 8 years they came up for HMV and were parked 2015 never flown again. When the 747-400 converted freighters are retired companies will go for the 777-300F Dedicated freighters with the nose loader will be flown until they time out.

DL's 747 are full pax aircraft, far more expensive to convert to full freighter status, even pre / during covid the earnback time was too long.
A combi can be converted for approx half of the costs of a full pax 744, however during covid there was no space and/or technicians available for a BDSF conversion at TLV.
But the time for any 744 BDSF conversion (full pax or combi) seems to be over due future noise limitations and rising oil prices.

Totally get that it is likely over for 744 BDSF conversion but why would IAI still advertise full slot availabikity on their site?
https://www.iai.co.il/p/b747-400bdsf

Because they don’t update their site. They state 777 conversion to enter service in 2022. https://www.iai.co.il/p/777-300ersf

N206CM CAM B763 BDSF is enroute SNN-CVG-ILN, after routing TLV-SNN yesterday. cheers!

FedEx and UPS plan MD11 retirement

https://aerocrewnews.com/obzh

mark1484 wrote:

FedEx and UPS plan MD11 retirement

https://aerocrewnews.com/obzh

Hard to see them not being retired soon afterwards with the remaining operators.

wjcandee wrote:

CoThG wrote:

UPS getting two more 747-8s.

So interesting given that it wasn't too long ago that the bean counter CO was patting herself on the back for canceling 747-8s, which Atlas then took.

CEO will pat themselves on the back for finding cheap used frames, that's how CEOs operate.

N206CM B763 BDSF CVG-ILN today, 45 mins early! cheers!

N287CM CAM B763 is enroute MZJ-ILN, out of storage, for eventual freighter conversion. cheers!

stretch8 wrote:

N287CM CAM B763 is enroute MZJ-ILN, out of storage, for eventual freighter conversion. cheers!

Thanks, Stretch8, for that info and also regarding N206CM!

Any word on how Western Global is doing these days??

sunking737 wrote:

Any word on how Western Global is doing these days??

Lotsa sitting around with broken planes.... IOW normal ops.

jbs2886 wrote:

Because they don’t update their site. They state 777 conversion to enter service in 2022. https://www.iai.co.il/p/777-300ersf

And, possibly, because they have the plans, permits, tools and equipment to DO such a conversion if anybody: (1) wanted one and (2) was willing to pay whatever price would make it worth IAI's while.

The real issue, I believe, is that the demand for the use of 747-400 converted freighters has gone from smoking hot to pretty cool, and the temperature continues to fall.

N287CM CAM B763 on ground at ILN, after departure from MZJ storage. cheers!

bennett123 wrote:

mark1484 wrote:

FedEx and UPS plan MD11 retirement

https://aerocrewnews.com/obzh

Hard to see them not being retired soon afterwards with the remaining operators.

there only one operator besides FedEx and UPS, Western Global. (not sure if the only priovate MD-11 is still flying)

Cardude2 wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

mark1484 wrote:

FedEx and UPS plan MD11 retirement

https://aerocrewnews.com/obzh

Hard to see them not being retired soon afterwards with the remaining operators.

there only one operator besides FedEx and UPS, Western Global. (not sure if the only priovate MD-11 is still flying)

One might consider that Subramaniam is telegraphing his intention to retire the FX MD-11 fleet through statements and the closing of the LAX maint facility. 5X on the other hand (to my knowledge) is simply exiting&mothballing PW frames.

two determinate factors affecting the sunset are:
1). The supply chain has the ability to accelerate the retirement pace
2). These fully depreciated frames provide substantive peak utility for a comparatively nominal annual expense.
Move into 8%+ corporate borrowing environments and a robust peak after cutting the MD11's to deeply and Subramaniam's tarmac traffic jams will be one of several determinate factors in leadership naivete criticisms.

-If the supply chain is willing to support the subfleet, improbable, one could see them distributing service into the 2030s; timing the suitable replacement.
-There is resale value here., the value is in the 3rd party peak contracting covenants.
-Western Global might consider embracing its MD11 differentiation value. WGN earns its criticism, however, there is synergy in the organization that would be difficult to replicate from scratch. If ever there was an airline that needed the CEO to walk into Shreveport and its pilots lounge with the kitchen_sink/sleep_on_the_couch... ...otherwise there will be plenty of time to enjoy Miami after 'sunset'.

N237CM CAM B763 BCF is scheduled ROW-ILN from paint today. Wonder whose colors? cheers!

stretch8 wrote:

N237CM CAM B763 BCF is scheduled ROW-ILN from paint today. Wonder whose colors? cheers!

An EWAG is Air Canada.

N237CM CAM B763 BCF ROW-ILN is on ground - wearing AJT colors. cheers!

stretch8 wrote:

N237CM CAM B763 BCF ROW-ILN is on ground - wearing AJT colors. cheers!

My EWAG was wrong! Glad to see AJT continues to lease aircraft from CAM/ATSG.

wjcandee wrote:

stretch8 wrote:

N237CM CAM B763 BCF ROW-ILN is on ground - wearing AJT colors. cheers!

My EWAG was wrong! Glad to see AJT continues to lease aircraft from CAM/ATSG.

Oh wild! Does AJT operate any other Pratt-powered 763s?

Spacepope wrote:

wjcandee wrote:

stretch8 wrote:

N237CM CAM B763 BCF ROW-ILN is on ground - wearing AJT colors. cheers!

My EWAG was wrong! Glad to see AJT continues to lease aircraft from CAM/ATSG.

Oh wild! Does AJT operate any other Pratt-powered 763s?

They will: N269CM, which arrived ILN from conversion on 3/1/23.

wjcandee wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

Because they don’t update their site. They state 777 conversion to enter service in 2022. https://www.iai.co.il/p/777-300ersf

And, possibly, because they have the plans, permits, tools and equipment to DO such a conversion if anybody: (1) wanted one and (2) was willing to pay whatever price would make it worth IAI's while.

The real issue, I believe, is that the demand for the use of 747-400 converted freighters has gone from smoking hot to pretty cool, and the temperature continues to fall.

I agree that the demand for 744P2F has fallen away but also that Air Atlanta Icelandic and Jetonex specifically bought the very green Combi from Dubai Air Wing with a view to convert it and have more than a decade's worth of Freighter commerce. Maybe the IAI doorman is seeking too big a tip to get a good table. Worse they misjudged the how long cargo in cabin would be permitted to recover their acquisition costs . If IAI is charging such a premium for a slot that may kill all incentive. Thus the ex-KLM combis are toast as are the Air India 744s which IAI looked at.

aristoenigma wrote:

wjcandee wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

Because they don’t update their site. They state 777 conversion to enter service in 2022. https://www.iai.co.il/p/777-300ersf

And, possibly, because they have the plans, permits, tools and equipment to DO such a conversion if anybody: (1) wanted one and (2) was willing to pay whatever price would make it worth IAI's while.

The real issue, I believe, is that the demand for the use of 747-400 converted freighters has gone from smoking hot to pretty cool, and the temperature continues to fall.

I agree that the demand for 744P2F has fallen away but also that Air Atlanta Icelandic and Jetonex specifically bought the very green Combi from Dubai Air Wing with a view to convert it and have more than a decade's worth of Freighter commerce. Maybe the IAI doorman is seeking too big a tip to get a good table. Worse they misjudged the how long cargo in cabin would be permitted to recover their acquisition costs . If IAI is charging such a premium for a slot that may kill all incentive. Thus the ex-KLM combis are toast as are the Air India 744s which IAI looked at.

IAI has currently no manpower/space available for any 744BDSF conversion.
They are "fully booked" for the next few years, especially with 767-300BDSF conversions and the ramp up of the 777-300ERSF program.
However, if you are prepared to pay a premium price, everything is possible, but I doubt that will be a viable business case to make any profit, despite the present very low aquisition value of a 744 combi.