Perhaps Atlas for some older 744F or 744BCF replacements.

CoThG wrote:

wjcandee wrote:

CX747 wrote:

Looks as if Western Global may have cancelled their order for (2) 777Fs..

Unreal that they have lost so much money. Crazy, man. They seem to have such nice people at the operating level, shame that it's apparently the worst-run airline on the planet.

PS Moody's downgraded WGN's long-term debt from B3 to Caa2. While that sounds dramatic, in fact it's just two small notches downwards. They're both non-investment-grade ratings. B3 is Highly Speculative, Caa1 is Substantial Risk, and Caa2, which is below that, is "Extremely Speculative". The next notch down Caa3, is "Default Imminent". So Moody's is saying their long term debt is now Extremely Speculative, whereas it was previously Highly Speculative. Yikes. According to Moody's, WGN has maxed out its $47.5 million revolving credit facility, all of its assets are encumbered, making it hard to raise cash, and it last had a negative free year-to-date cash flow of $52 million as of November 30, 2022. Some of that came from expenses to get the 747s into service, but... Moodys says WGN had issues due to an inability to sufficiently staff its aircraft for the westbound flights to Asia.

"Apparently"... LOL

A qualifying word reflexively inserted to avoid being the next Dominion Voting-type defendant.

danipawa wrote:

Transcarga Venezuela is planning to add MD10..anyone knows?

No surprise there are 100 of them sitting the desert with modern avionics and lots of time/cycles remaining on the airframe. A MD-10 or -11 can be had already with a large front loading cargo door. I’m sure it’s a fraction of the cost of acquiring a 767f. The cost of conversion is 14 million. With the cost of the airframe and HMV. It could be 20 million plus. If you can get one converted or find one on the market.. I could see a small cargo company buy one

danipawa wrote:

Transcarga Venezuela is planning to add MD10..anyone knows?

I doubt that FedEx will sell an aircraft to a Venezuela based airline (aren't still sanctions in force ?)
Also the maintenance support of the GE CF6-50C2 engines would be problematic.

Isn’t there an MD10 operating for a South American carrier that they would sell to Venezuela?

MCOflyer wrote:

Isn’t there an MD10 operating for a South American carrier that they would sell to Venezuela?

Yes, CP-2791, TAB Cargo (Bolivia), ex N314FE


But for a Venuzuela based airline it would be nearly impossible to maintain the engines and avionics.(the only source would be the FedEx stored MD10-30F aircraft and remaining spares inventory)

Aeronaves has taken delivery of 2 DC-9-15Fs from USA Jet.

N192US had 79,000 hours and 91,000 cycles as of 2/2021


N196US had 82,000 hours and 91,000 cycles as of Christmas 2020.

What is the LOV?.

bennett123 wrote:

What is the LOV?.

DC9 all series : 110.000 hrs and 110.000 cycles

bennett123 wrote:

What is the LOV?.

IIRC 100K cycles and 100K hours. Don't know if they are going into service for a short while or if it's just more feasible to ferry them down to SLW to get parted out rather than breaking them up and trucking them across a continent.

N205US heads south of the border this afternoon

747classic wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

Isn’t there an MD10 operating for a South American carrier that they would sell to Venezuela?

Yes, CP-2791, TAB Cargo (Bolivia), ex N314FE

But for a Venuzuela based airline it would be nearly impossible to maintain the engines and avionics.(the only source would be the FedEx stored MD10-30F aircraft and remaining spares inventory)

It would be risky, but Bolivia could buy up the stores and do a sale of all parts and aircraft to Venezuela.

MCOflyer wrote:

747classic wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

Isn’t there an MD10 operating for a South American carrier that they would sell to Venezuela?

Yes, CP-2791, TAB Cargo (Bolivia), ex N314FE

But for a Venuzuela based airline it would be nearly impossible to maintain the engines and avionics.(the only source would be the FedEx stored MD10-30F aircraft and remaining spares inventory)

It would be risky, but Bolivia could buy up the stores and do a sale of all parts and aircraft to Venezuela.

Would it be worth the inevitable blow back?.

No but Bolivia were the ones that flew out the Iranians and Venezuelans from the Emtrasur incident.

Last month, ch-aviation reported that Cargo Three was going to launch MD-10F operations during the current quarter. If so, this would likely be the operating carrier for Transcatga.

Spacepope wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

What is the LOV?.

IIRC 100K cycles and 100K hours. Don't know if they are going into service for a short while or if it's just more feasible to ferry them down to SLW to get parted out rather than breaking them up and trucking them across a continent.

Aeronaves TSM took delivery 192us, 196us, 205us, 208us and 327us. They also stripped the parts off 195US and those were trucked down Wed/Thurs of this week down to Saltillo. Aeronaves will use the DC-9-10's for parts and will use the DC-9-30's in their fleet to fly cargo.

Robert16627 wrote:

Spacepope wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

What is the LOV?.

IIRC 100K cycles and 100K hours. Don't know if they are going into service for a short while or if it's just more feasible to ferry them down to SLW to get parted out rather than breaking them up and trucking them across a continent.

Aeronaves TSM took delivery 192us, 196us, 205us, 208us and 327us. They also stripped the parts off 195US and those were trucked down Wed/Thurs of this week down to Saltillo. Aeronaves will use the DC-9-10's for parts and will use the DC-9-30's in their fleet to fly cargo.

Sad to see the little -9s go. It's also kinda surprising that there are simply no more civvie -9s in the boneyards to strip for parts so other (admittedly well used) freighters are getting cannibalized.

Interesting!
B727F with over 300 people on board over runs the runway at Juba Airport. No injuries.
https://twitter.com/aviationsafety/stat ... 3QBQUR1hMg

D-ABUA CFG B763 arrived ILN this morning, routing FRA-BGR-ILN. Possibly for CAM. cheers!

wjcandee wrote:

CX747 wrote:

Looks as if Western Global may have cancelled their order for (2) 777Fs..

Unreal that they have lost so much money. Crazy, man. They seem to have such nice people at the operating level, shame that it's apparently the worst-run airline on the planet.

Eastern Airlines would like a word with you.

747classic wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

Isn’t there an MD10 operating for a South American carrier that they would sell to Venezuela?

Yes, CP-2791, TAB Cargo (Bolivia), ex N314FE

But for a Venuzuela based airline it would be nearly impossible to maintain the engines and avionics.(the only source would be the FedEx stored MD10-30F aircraft and remaining spares inventory)

This aircraft was a very smart purchase. It was an original freighter delivered to Fed Ex in 1988 and was converted to MD-10 in 2009. In 2013 when sold it had roughly 18k cycles 57k hours .

bennett123 wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

747classic wrote:

Yes, CP-2791, TAB Cargo (Bolivia), ex N314FE

But for a Venuzuela based airline it would be nearly impossible to maintain the engines and avionics.(the only source would be the FedEx stored MD10-30F aircraft and remaining spares inventory)

It would be risky, but Bolivia could buy up the stores and do a sale of all parts and aircraft to Venezuela.

Would it be worth the inevitable blow back?.

I doubt anyone is going to make a stink about DC-10 parts. And straw purchases can be made once they leave the USA . It’s very easy to get them to any country in South America. If F-14 parts were smuggled to Iran anything is possible.

mark1484 wrote:

Interesting!
B727F with over 300 people on board over runs the runway at Juba Airport. No injuries.
https://twitter.com/aviationsafety/stat ... 3QBQUR1hMg

They put 300 people in a cargo plane that’s insane. Reminds me of the El Al 747 that evacuated over 1000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel. I don’t know how they were able to fit that many in one plane. Not the weight but the shear volume that 1000 people take up.

DL757NYC wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

It would be risky, but Bolivia could buy up the stores and do a sale of all parts and aircraft to Venezuela.

Would it be worth the inevitable blow back?.

I doubt anyone is going to make a stink about DC-10 parts. And straw purchases can be made once they leave the USA . It’s very easy to get them to any country in South America. If F-14 parts were smuggled to Iran anything is possible.

DC-10 parts are not the major problem.
It's more difficult to get the MD-10 specific electronics/parts and "green" CF6-50C2 engines.
Perhaps TAB Cargo wants to sell it's MD10-30F, because the maintenance deal with FedEx was terminated (after retirement of the last active FedEx MD10-30) and further support would be very expensive.

Note : The flightdeck of the MD10 looks the same as the MD11, however very few LRU's are the same (LCD screens, airplane systems controllers, etc. are all different )

Finally educating myself about the Western Global situation, this is absolutely insane.

Is it acceptable to call this a complete loss of corporate control? Because it seems like this company can’t get any of their planes back into the sky (RSW looks like a boneyard right now with all of the planes there), they’re SO deep in debt, They are “default imminent” as one of the posters said, cancelling a/c orders, etc.

This is a cool video forgive me if it’s been posted I haven’t seen it 77-300ER freighter conversion

https://youtu.be/xo0Tpe1wtzc

DL757NYC wrote:

This is a cool video forgive me if it’s been posted I haven’t seen it 77-300ER freighter conversion

https://youtu.be/xo0Tpe1wtzc

It was posted a few weeks ago in the "777-300ERSF Freighter News and Discussion - 2023" thread at reply 37 by TropicalSky, see : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1480063

DL757NYC wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

It would be risky, but Bolivia could buy up the stores and do a sale of all parts and aircraft to Venezuela.

Would it be worth the inevitable blow back?.

I doubt anyone is going to make a stink about DC-10 parts. And straw purchases can be made once they leave the USA . It’s very easy to get them to any country in South America. If F-14 parts were smuggled to Iran anything is possible.

It’s illegal. The companies aren’t going to risk the fines for DC-10 parts.

DL757NYC wrote:

mark1484 wrote:

Interesting!
B727F with over 300 people on board over runs the runway at Juba Airport. No injuries.
https://twitter.com/aviationsafety/stat ... 3QBQUR1hMg

They put 300 people in a cargo plane that’s insane. Reminds me of the El Al 747 that evacuated over 1000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel. I don’t know how they were able to fit that many in one plane. Not the weight but the shear volume that 1000 people take up.

Reminds me of the Last Flight From Da Nang. Famous story about World Airways at the end of the Vietnam War. Captain Ken Healy and World founder Ed Daly saved many people, but most, sadly, were fleeing, cowardly South Vietnamese soldiers who forced their way on the 727. The CBS newsreel from that day is on Youtube.

stretch8 wrote:

D-ABUA CFG B763 arrived ILN this morning, routing FRA-BGR-ILN. Possibly for CAM. cheers!

Cool! Joins D-ABUP, ABUZ, and ABUI.

First MD-11 N601FE flying to VCV for retirement. So sad.

ChingwangLee wrote:

First MD-11 N601FE flying to VCV for retirement. So sad.

Built in 1990. She had a full and long life.

Looks like KD won't take their two ordered 777F's according to this report :
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... er-reports

wjcandee wrote:

stretch8 wrote:

D-ABUA CFG B763 arrived ILN this morning, routing FRA-BGR-ILN. Possibly for CAM. cheers!

Cool! Joins D-ABUP, ABUZ, and ABUI.

Almost incredible that such Oldies are still being converted.

ChingwangLee wrote:

First MD-11 N601FE flying to VCV for retirement. So sad.

After such a long service life I wouldn´t say its sad. That's the first MD-11 prototype. Historic. They should put it into a museum. As far as I know no MD-11 has been preserved yet.

It would be nice to know how many hours and cycles N601FE has done.

na wrote:

ChingwangLee wrote:

First MD-11 N601FE flying to VCV for retirement. So sad.

After such a long service life I wouldn´t say its sad. That's the first MD-11 prototype. Historic. They should put it into a museum. As far as I know no MD-11 has been preserved yet.

It would be nice to know how many hours and cycles N601FE has done.

The last HMV of N601FE was at November 2021 : 88676 hrs and 22905 cycles (MD11 extended LOV = 150.000 hrs , 40.000 cycles)

So phased out for economical reasons. (fuel consumption/ maintenance costs)

747classic wrote:

The last HMV of N601FE was at November 2021 : 88676 hrs and 22905 cycles (MD11 extended LOV = 150.000 hrs , 40.000 cycles)

So phased out for economical reasons. (fuel consumption/ maintenance costs)

My observation ist that about 98% of all airliners are being phased out because of these two economical reasons.

So N601FE has flown a bit more than 90.000 hours in the end. Not really that much for a 33 year-old aircraft I have to say. Some of KLMs 744s have done about 50% more in less years, and even UPS and Asianas oldest 744Fs have flown way more hours despite being about 5 or 6 years younger.

I wonder if Western global will pick it up?

MCOflyer wrote:

I wonder if Western global will pick it up?

Do they need any more equipment? Seems like RSW looks like VCV right now. They don't seem to have too much work, except that DoD is giving them a lifeline. Not 100-percent dead, but not highly-active.
They don't seem to have pilots to fly the work that they do have. They have no cash cushion. I don't know where things go for them now.

wjcandee wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

I wonder if Western global will pick it up?

Do they need any more equipment? Seems like RSW looks like VCV right now. They don't seem to have too much work, except that DoD is giving them a lifeline. Not 100-percent dead, but not highly-active.
They don't seem to have pilots to fly the work that they do have. They have no cash cushion. I don't know where things go for them now.

They should dump all their MD-11s and focus on trying to run the 747s. Scale everything back to just 747 operations and see where you can go.

CX747 wrote:

wjcandee wrote:

MCOflyer wrote:

I wonder if Western global will pick it up?

Do they need any more equipment? Seems like RSW looks like VCV right now. They don't seem to have too much work, except that DoD is giving them a lifeline. Not 100-percent dead, but not highly-active.
They don't seem to have pilots to fly the work that they do have. They have no cash cushion. I don't know where things go for them now.

They should dump all their MD-11s and focus on trying to run the 747s. Scale everything back to just 747 operations and see where you can go.

Well to be fair the MD-11s are pretty much dumped as it is, just all at RSW. I'd bet they're well into the shell game of swapping engines around to get a shipset with 20 hours of green tine to rub together between them. I just hope they don't lose a planeload of ammo on their way to Poland due to cuts as they seem to circle the drain.

MO11 wrote:

Last month, ch-aviation reported that Cargo Three was going to launch MD-10F operations during the current quarter. If so, this would likely be the operating carrier for Transcarga.

As per the CH-Aviation Article:
Cargo Three (C3, Panamá City Tocumen International) plans to debut the operations of its first MD-10-30(F) on June 1, 2023, as parent JMB Aviation Group rolls over from A300B4(F)s to the ex-FedEx Express trijets, ch-aviation has exclusively learned.

The holding's chief executive, Julio Marquez, confirmed that JMB acquired six MD-10-30(F)s from FedEx. At least four will be added to Cargo Three's Panamanian AOC: N307FE (msn 48291), N313FE (msn 48311), N315FE (msn 48313), and N316FE (msn 48314). The airline plans to base the aircraft out of Panama Pacifico/Balboa airport, where it will also have a maintenance base. The fifth MD-10-30(F), N311FE (msn 46871), is earmarked to join the fleet of sister carrier Transcarga International Airways (T7, Caracas Simón Bolivar). Marquez did not reveal the identity of the sixth trijet as it has not been confirmed yet.

All five identified MD-10-30(F)s were retired by FedEx in 2022 and are currently in storage at Victorville airport, except for N307FE, which is at Memphis International, according to the ch-aviation fleets advanced module.

The group announced plans to transition from its fleet of A300B4(F)s to MD-10s in early 2023. Both the Panamanian and the Venezuelan airlines are currently dormant as the existing fleet of Airbus freighters is parked.

Marquez revealed that YV560T (msn 261) and YV562T (msn 274), both operated by Transcarga, are already under LOIs with one due to be sold to KAP.KG Aircompany and the other to be converted into a full flight simulator. N836JM (msn 227), which was acquired by JMB for Cargo Three but never inducted into operations, has already been sold to Prime Aviation.

GARUDAROD wrote:

MO11 wrote:

Last month, ch-aviation reported that Cargo Three was going to launch MD-10F operations during the current quarter. If so, this would likely be the operating carrier for Transcarga.

As per the CH-Aviation Article:
Cargo Three (C3, Panamá City Tocumen International) plans to debut the operations of its first MD-10-30(F) on June 1, 2023, as parent JMB Aviation Group rolls over from A300B4(F)s to the ex-FedEx Express trijets, ch-aviation has exclusively learned.

The holding's chief executive, Julio Marquez, confirmed that JMB acquired six MD-10-30(F)s from FedEx. At least four will be added to Cargo Three's Panamanian AOC: N307FE (msn 48291), N313FE (msn 48311), N315FE (msn 48313), and N316FE (msn 48314). The airline plans to base the aircraft out of Panama Pacifico/Balboa airport, where it will also have a maintenance base. The fifth MD-10-30(F), N311FE (msn 46871), is earmarked to join the fleet of sister carrier Transcarga International Airways (T7, Caracas Simón Bolivar). Marquez did not reveal the identity of the sixth trijet as it has not been confirmed yet.

All five identified MD-10-30(F)s were retired by FedEx in 2022 and are currently in storage at Victorville airport, except for N307FE, which is at Memphis International, according to the ch-aviation fleets advanced module.

The group announced plans to transition from its fleet of A300B4(F)s to MD-10s in early 2023. Both the Panamanian and the Venezuelan airlines are currently dormant as the existing fleet of Airbus freighters is parked.

Marquez revealed that YV560T (msn 261) and YV562T (msn 274), both operated by Transcarga, are already under LOIs with one due to be sold to KAP.KG Aircompany and the other to be converted into a full flight simulator. N836JM (msn 227), which was acquired by JMB for Cargo Three but never inducted into operations, has already been sold to Prime Aviation.

Pretty interesting as I assumed the 10s wouldn't be leaving VCV.

N307FE is indeed at VCV, it moved a couple of weeks ago or so.

Good to see the MD10-30 live on.

WGN:

411SN Flying daily-ish
412SN Flying daily-ish
415JN Not flying MHV
435KD Not Flying 2 years at SHV
512JN Flying daily-ish
513SN Flying daily-ish
542KD Flying daily-ish
543JN At SHV for a couple of weeks
545JN Started Flying Again a couple of weeks ago. Now daily-ish.
546JN Was Flying daily-ish, yesterday to SHV
581JN SHV over a year
630SN OSC for 7 years
781SN RSW 4 months
783SN Flying irregularly ex-RSW. Flying today.
784SN SHV for a year
799JN Flying regularly. Now at RSW for a few days.
804SN Flying irregularly. At RSW for a month.

So like 8 regularly-flying MD11s and a couple extra irregularly.

258SN At SHV for 3 months. This is their ONE REAL 744F, and it's in the hell-pit over 3 months.
344KD Flying military regularly.
356KD Flying pretty-regularly, largely military.
452SN Flying relatively-regularly. Sunday to SHV, though.

So overall a little-better than some would have us believe, but still atrocious by any normal standard of airline operations.

ChingwangLee wrote:

First MD-11 N601FE flying to VCV for retirement. So sad.

N601FE, aircraft ID plate


Original uploaded by AO XIANG LI at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/RibbonsLax/status/1 ... 1186844672

https://www.qrcargo.com/s/company/fleet-cargo
The QR Cargo website speaks about their two 748Fs but also refers to two 744Fs available in fleet. Is this an artifact from history or is there aa arrangement for 744F supplied from time to time from somewhere?

aristoenigma wrote:

https://www.qrcargo.com/s/company/fleet-cargo
The QR Cargo website speaks about their two 748Fs but also refers to two 744Fs available in fleet. Is this an artifact from history or is there aa arrangement for 744F supplied from time to time from somewhere?

744Fs TC-ACM and TC-ACR belonging to AirACT (a Turkish cargo airline) seem to be flying on behalf of Qatar Airways Cargo. Looking at flightaware they are operating a lot of flights in and out of DOH (ACM to FRA, ACR to HKG-SIN), and the Qatar fleet page has ACM-ACR next to number operated.

TY Polot

Does anyone know who has purchased 747-409F B-18706? It was recently removed from service with China Airlines and is reported to have a new owner.

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/carrier ... tirements/