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vinaixa wrote:I have a burning question on CX:
At MAD airport last Saturday 4th Feb at 10AM local time I saw two Cathay Pacific A359s. I found this odd as CX was only due to operate one MAD-HKG flight that day and operates 4 weekly frequencies overall.
Does anyone know why there was a second plane parked at Madrid’s T4-S? I tried to check FR24 history and only one flight shows. Thanks!
zakuivcustom wrote:vinaixa wrote:I have a burning question on CX:
At MAD airport last Saturday 4th Feb at 10AM local time I saw two Cathay Pacific A359s. I found this odd as CX was only due to operate one MAD-HKG flight that day and operates 4 weekly frequencies overall.
Does anyone know why there was a second plane parked at Madrid’s T4-S? I tried to check FR24 history and only one flight shows. Thanks!
CX315 (HKG->MAD) departs on midnight Thursday and Saturday (and arrives Thursday/Saturday in MAD) while CX372 (MAD->HKG) departs MAD at Saturday and Sunday.
The 359 that flys the Thursday flight to MAD tends to fly the Sunday flight back to HKG, while the Saturday one fly back to HKG on the same day. Thus you'll have 2 A359s if you arrive on Saturday.
vinaixa wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:vinaixa wrote:I have a burning question on CX:
At MAD airport last Saturday 4th Feb at 10AM local time I saw two Cathay Pacific A359s. I found this odd as CX was only due to operate one MAD-HKG flight that day and operates 4 weekly frequencies overall.
Does anyone know why there was a second plane parked at Madrid’s T4-S? I tried to check FR24 history and only one flight shows. Thanks!
CX315 (HKG->MAD) departs on midnight Thursday and Saturday (and arrives Thursday/Saturday in MAD) while CX372 (MAD->HKG) departs MAD at Saturday and Sunday.
The 359 that flys the Thursday flight to MAD tends to fly the Sunday flight back to HKG, while the Saturday one fly back to HKG on the same day. Thus you'll have 2 A359s if you arrive on Saturday.
Great! Thanks for clarifying. How does that work for in terms of aircraft utilisation though? As things stand, one of the A359s spends three nights in MAD (Thu-Sun) before heading back to HKG. I'm not sure how that works for CX.
Polot wrote:vinaixa wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:
CX315 (HKG->MAD) departs on midnight Thursday and Saturday (and arrives Thursday/Saturday in MAD) while CX372 (MAD->HKG) departs MAD at Saturday and Sunday.
The 359 that flys the Thursday flight to MAD tends to fly the Sunday flight back to HKG, while the Saturday one fly back to HKG on the same day. Thus you'll have 2 A359s if you arrive on Saturday.
Great! Thanks for clarifying. How does that work for in terms of aircraft utilisation though? As things stand, one of the A359s spends three nights in MAD (Thu-Sun) before heading back to HKG. I'm not sure how that works for CX.
As you note it is not great aircraft utilization with a plane parked for 3 days. Some basic maintenance might be performed while sitting. But CX isn’t really pressed for capacity right now, they are still very much in a recovery phase.
grjplanes wrote:It looks like CX will finally also resume HKG-JNB route from August, 3 weekly A350-900
Coincides with LATAM also resuming GRU-JNB, so perhaps they might be timing in such a way to offer transfer via JNB
vinaixa wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:vinaixa wrote:I have a burning question on CX:
At MAD airport last Saturday 4th Feb at 10AM local time I saw two Cathay Pacific A359s. I found this odd as CX was only due to operate one MAD-HKG flight that day and operates 4 weekly frequencies overall.
Does anyone know why there was a second plane parked at Madrid’s T4-S? I tried to check FR24 history and only one flight shows. Thanks!
CX315 (HKG->MAD) departs on midnight Thursday and Saturday (and arrives Thursday/Saturday in MAD) while CX372 (MAD->HKG) departs MAD at Saturday and Sunday.
The 359 that flys the Thursday flight to MAD tends to fly the Sunday flight back to HKG, while the Saturday one fly back to HKG on the same day. Thus you'll have 2 A359s if you arrive on Saturday.
Great! Thanks for clarifying. How does that work for in terms of aircraft utilisation though? As things stand, one of the A359s spends three nights in MAD (Thu-Sun) before heading back to HKG. I'm not sure how that works for CX.
Magnum9 wrote:grjplanes wrote:It looks like CX will finally also resume HKG-JNB route from August, 3 weekly A350-900
Coincides with LATAM also resuming GRU-JNB, so perhaps they might be timing in such a way to offer transfer via JNB
With LATAM no longer a OneWorld member do they even partner with CX still for such a transfer?
CX Flyboy wrote:We have more Airbuses than we have the crew to fly them at the moment so there are still a lot of A330s and A350s parked up in HK not being used at a high rate. The A350-1000s however are being used hard as they need the capacity, so parking a 359 somewhere for a few days isnt a big problem and if maintenance can be done and if parking is cheap then it can be an advantage
CX Flyboy wrote:
The A359 (and 35K) are pretty much all unparked by now (Just going through FR24 data, only B-LQD is parked right now). Something like half of their 330s are still parked, though.
vinaixa wrote:Great! Thanks for clarifying. How does that work for in terms of aircraft utilisation though? As things stand, one of the A359s spends three nights in MAD (Thu-Sun) before heading back to HKG. I'm not sure how that works for CX.
MileHFL400 wrote:What’s their B777 fleet utilization like at the moment?
chunhimlai wrote:All flight departs from Hong Kong including CX delay due to system fault
JW28 wrote:After what has been a really tough last few years for Cathay, it is great to see significant progress being made with regards to increasing capacity and network restoration- with the airline reported to be targeting 70% pre-covid capacity by the end of this year, with full pre-covid capacity to be reached by 2024. With this in mind, what (if any) routes do people think CX are likely to reinstate this year? As someone who frequently used the LGW route, I hope that Cathay will return to Gatwick at some point, especially as capacity and slot utilisation at LHR begins to ramp up to the pre-covid 5 daily.
JW28 wrote:After what has been a really tough last few years for Cathay, it is great to see significant progress being made with regards to increasing capacity and network restoration- with the airline reported to be targeting 70% pre-covid capacity by the end of this year, with full pre-covid capacity to be reached by 2024. With this in mind, what (if any) routes do people think CX are likely to reinstate this year? As someone who frequently used the LGW route, I hope that Cathay will return to Gatwick at some point, especially as capacity and slot utilisation at LHR begins to ramp up to the pre-covid 5 daily.
c933103 wrote:JW28 wrote:After what has been a really tough last few years for Cathay, it is great to see significant progress being made with regards to increasing capacity and network restoration- with the airline reported to be targeting 70% pre-covid capacity by the end of this year, with full pre-covid capacity to be reached by 2024. With this in mind, what (if any) routes do people think CX are likely to reinstate this year? As someone who frequently used the LGW route, I hope that Cathay will return to Gatwick at some point, especially as capacity and slot utilisation at LHR begins to ramp up to the pre-covid 5 daily.
Target are still just target. How or whether they're capable of meeting it is another issue. The situation is such that some concerned people in Hong Kong claimed on TV that buses to the airport shouldn't raise the fare as that would reduce competitiveness of airport job offer in the job market and impact recovery of the city's aviation sector, including Cathay group, and that would kill the industry
hongkongflyer wrote:c933103 wrote:JW28 wrote:After what has been a really tough last few years for Cathay, it is great to see significant progress being made with regards to increasing capacity and network restoration- with the airline reported to be targeting 70% pre-covid capacity by the end of this year, with full pre-covid capacity to be reached by 2024. With this in mind, what (if any) routes do people think CX are likely to reinstate this year? As someone who frequently used the LGW route, I hope that Cathay will return to Gatwick at some point, especially as capacity and slot utilisation at LHR begins to ramp up to the pre-covid 5 daily.
Target are still just target. How or whether they're capable of meeting it is another issue. The situation is such that some concerned people in Hong Kong claimed on TV that buses to the airport shouldn't raise the fare as that would reduce competitiveness of airport job offer in the job market and impact recovery of the city's aviation sector, including Cathay group, and that would kill the industry
Do you know how much the bus company is asking for?
50%
AA100 wrote:A 50% increase on a fare e.g. A10 From Ap Lei Chau would go from $48 to $96.
AA100 wrote:hongkongflyer wrote:c933103 wrote:Target are still just target. How or whether they're capable of meeting it is another issue. The situation is such that some concerned people in Hong Kong claimed on TV that buses to the airport shouldn't raise the fare as that would reduce competitiveness of airport job offer in the job market and impact recovery of the city's aviation sector, including Cathay group, and that would kill the industry
Do you know how much the bus company is asking for?
50%
Yes Approx 50% on all CTB (Cityflyer) operated bus routes. I believe LWB has asked for 9% increase.
A 50% increase on a fare e.g. A10 From Ap Lei Chau would go from $48 to $96.
If the bus companies want to increase the fares without putting off potential airport workers - the airport authority could agree a "worker same day discount rebate".
In CX's case - its more an issue around air crew shortages. Ground staff can enjoy CX shuttle buses.
c933103 wrote:AA100 wrote:hongkongflyer wrote:
Do you know how much the bus company is asking for?
50%
Yes Approx 50% on all CTB (Cityflyer) operated bus routes. I believe LWB has asked for 9% increase.
A 50% increase on a fare e.g. A10 From Ap Lei Chau would go from $48 to $96.
If the bus companies want to increase the fares without putting off potential airport workers - the airport authority could agree a "worker same day discount rebate".
In CX's case - its more an issue around air crew shortages. Ground staff can enjoy CX shuttle buses.
My understanding is airport workers already get staff discount, except for some outsourced workers where transportation expense matter most
zkojq wrote:An ex Cathay Dragon A320ceo B-HSM flew ASP-DRW-HKG today. Is this one going to join the Cathay Pacific fleet or is it just having a maintenance check before heading to another operator (or the scrapman)? How many ex Cathay Dragon aircraft have entered service with Cathay Pacific?
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=78 ... 2023-03-31
CX Flyboy wrote:zkojq wrote:An ex Cathay Dragon A320ceo B-HSM flew ASP-DRW-HKG today. Is this one going to join the Cathay Pacific fleet or is it just having a maintenance check before heading to another operator (or the scrapman)? How many ex Cathay Dragon aircraft have entered service with Cathay Pacific?
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=78 ... 2023-03-31
This will be the first of 5 ex-Dragon Airbuses to join HKE.
EBT wrote:vinaixa wrote:Great! Thanks for clarifying. How does that work for in terms of aircraft utilisation though? As things stand, one of the A359s spends three nights in MAD (Thu-Sun) before heading back to HKG. I'm not sure how that works for CX.
Sorry to bring up an old post, but at the moment CX is operating split return flights on some routes because their pain point is more around crew than airframes or utilisation of aircraft. I know that for a time in Perth they have had the aircraft lay over for 12 hours so that the same crew that brings it down can rest and operate the return flight. So I suspect that is the case in MAD.
acavpics wrote:EBT wrote:vinaixa wrote:Great! Thanks for clarifying. How does that work for in terms of aircraft utilisation though? As things stand, one of the A359s spends three nights in MAD (Thu-Sun) before heading back to HKG. I'm not sure how that works for CX.
Sorry to bring up an old post, but at the moment CX is operating split return flights on some routes because their pain point is more around crew than airframes or utilisation of aircraft. I know that for a time in Perth they have had the aircraft lay over for 12 hours so that the same crew that brings it down can rest and operate the return flight. So I suspect that is the case in MAD.
A bit scary to think about. Let’s hope that they can get enough rest to safely operate the return in that amount of time.
EBT wrote:Sorry to bring up an old post, but at the moment CX is operating split return flights on some routes because their pain point is more around crew than airframes or utilisation of aircraft. I know that for a time in Perth they have had the aircraft lay over for 12 hours so that the same crew that brings it down can rest and operate the return flight. So I suspect that is the case in MAD.
zeke wrote:It would be perfectly reasonable to have a crew fly HKG-CGK-HKG, then HKG-DPS-HKG on two consecutive days with 12 hrs off between. They would be done 2 crew.
The PER flight is done 3 crew.
I don’t think it is as you suggest. The real key is those assets be it the aircraft or crew provide a better return on investment the more they fly. Keep them moving the company earns more money, and that the goal of business.
EBT wrote:zeke wrote:It would be perfectly reasonable to have a crew fly HKG-CGK-HKG, then HKG-DPS-HKG on two consecutive days with 12 hrs off between. They would be done 2 crew.
The PER flight is done 3 crew.
I don’t think it is as you suggest. The real key is those assets be it the aircraft or crew provide a better return on investment the more they fly. Keep them moving the company earns more money, and that the goal of business.
Correct, but towards the end of 2022 there wasn't a shortage of assets, but rather the shortage of crew, or so it was explained to me by key people at Perth Airport. Now that more crew are being rechecked back to line, things are going back to the way they were.
EBT wrote:Correct, but towards the end of 2022 there wasn't a shortage of assets, but rather the shortage of crew, or so it was explained to me by key people at Perth Airport. Now that more crew are being rechecked back to line, things are going back to the way they were.
CX Flyboy wrote:There is no crew shortage. We just have far too many planes!
musapapaya wrote:Folks, any views around the news below? I do feel bad for the CX pilots who are still receiving reduced pay, and that the morale seems low.
https://simpleflying.com/cathay-pacific ... er-speeds/
c933103 wrote:musapapaya wrote:Folks, any views around the news below? I do feel bad for the CX pilots who are still receiving reduced pay, and that the morale seems low.
https://simpleflying.com/cathay-pacific ... er-speeds/
As discussed in Hong Kong thread, pilots claim their pay 30% less than pre COVID time.
musapapaya wrote:Folks, any views around the news below? I do feel bad for the CX pilots who are still receiving reduced pay, and that the morale seems low.
https://simpleflying.com/cathay-pacific ... er-speeds/
chonetsao wrote:Private conversation between crew members in the galley is private, should be respected and protected. The passenger who secretly recording private conversation should be condemned.
Cerecl wrote:Look, CX crew does have a reputation of discriminatory attitude/action against Mainland Chinese customers.