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CarloDeo wrote:Can Boracay Airport accommodate A321s? FR24 shows that the largest planes that regularly fly there are A320 or A320neos.
travelsider05 wrote:CarloDeo wrote:Can Boracay Airport accommodate A321s? FR24 shows that the largest planes that regularly fly there are A320 or A320neos.
Yes. As a matter of fact, PAL A321s and CEB A21Ns have already landed before.
AB330 wrote:A good test of the real performance of Devilfish favorite plane
https://simpleflying.com/kuwait-airways ... 1677442084
AB330 wrote:I imagine If PAL where to acquire I'd imagine the configuration would be between 230-240 seats in a three-class layout with 20 Business Class, 21 Premium Economy and 199-203 Economy seats.
CarloDeo wrote:travelsider05 wrote:CarloDeo wrote:Can Boracay Airport accommodate A321s? FR24 shows that the largest planes that regularly fly there are A320 or A320neos.
Yes. As a matter of fact, PAL A321s and CEB A21Ns have already landed before.
Thanks for this. Do they only deploy A321s on peak seasons? Cant the route (e.g. MNL-MPH) sustain a regular A321 flight or there are space restrictions in the airport?
as part of PAL’s Chapter 11 restructuring, part of the debts of the unsecured creditors were impaired and converted into equity of PAL. These impaired creditors now own approximately 20.1% of PAL
AB330 wrote:According to Arianespace these are unpaid debts which PAL honors to lower finnaces on new aircraft
AB330 wrote:Which could mean PAL will need hold on to their older aircraft types like A321ceo, A330-300 and B777-300/ER probably through the end of the decade although extending them will also cost $$$
Devilfish wrote:AB330 wrote:According to Arianespace these are unpaid debts which PAL honors to lower finnaces on new aircraft
His exact wording was "new acquisitions" -- which I take to mean 'new buys' and not existing orders for delivery.AB330 wrote:Which could mean PAL will need hold on to their older aircraft types like A321ceo, A330-300 and B777-300/ER probably through the end of the decade although extending them will also cost $$$
PR might extend some of the leases but they'd have to analyze the savings against higher maintenance and fuel costs of the older types. I think "operated to grow (h)old" refers to PR-owned planes...while specifically citing "leased ones" must be returned presumes fresh orders -- particularly of affordable, long-haul widebodies as replacements.
AB330 wrote:The way I interpret this is there limited to ordering existing types such as follow-on order for A350 like thier option for 6 more and new lease agreement for A330neo and B777X which are considered new variant of their existing A330-300 and B777-300ER. Alternatively this could also mean a delayed in new aircraft orders to possibly next year though I guess will need to wait and see what happens?
I'm not saying this is all cast in stone. What I do say however is I remember the CEO talking last year about its newfound interest in cargo, which, if you know reading between the lines, spell an aircraft capable of carrying more cargo than the other. And that points to this aircraft.
AB330 wrote:Ok so he just replied and made some intresting comment
All four lessor have a particular variant of the Dreamliner on the order books that currently have a controlling stake in PAL.
AB330 wrote:On another note LH Orders 22 long-haul planes
Devilfish wrote:Five days ago, a piece on PR's 82nd Anniversary in SimpleFlying mentioned a further 13 aircraft on order...while its holding company revealed that the airline was negotiating with international lenders for a fresh 100 M 3-year loan. Therefore, this is likely PR working to pay off its obligations to avail of low finance charges for their aircraft deposits. Considering LTG still controls the airline, wonder where RSA stands in all of this, being the man who hinted at the 778X for PR
Would Airbus sit idly by without putting up a valiant fight?
JNC03 wrote:Cebu Pacific will be leasing five aircraft this year as it aims to address growing capacity and passenger demand.
AB330 wrote:Some update about the planned reassignment at NAIA and plans to turn T2 into the main domestic terminal.
Philippine747 wrote:MNL-LAX v.v. ICN/HNL stop for PR112/113 scheduled on 6-14 March. PR102/103 non-stop service operates in conjunction.
Bobby27ph wrote:Jetstar Group’s terminal reassignment in Manila
Jetstar Asia, Jetstar Japan will be relocated to NAIA Terminal 3 wef April 2023. The two will join parent company Qantas which also operates at the same terminal.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jetstar- ... member_ios
Devilfish wrote:Ng added that PAL also plans to upgrade the engines of its aircraft and finish the construction of its new office building in Nichols, Pasay City."[/i]
AB330 wrote:what is likely is PAL long-haul routes will eventually be moved to T1 and have even started work on new Mabuhay Lounge which I hope will have some new features while still being practical at the same time.
AB330 wrote:Although personally think the newer more fuel efficient A321-271N or A321-271NX are better suited for CEB and longer routes out of MNL
Devilfish wrote:AB330 wrote:Although personally think the newer more fuel efficient A321-271N or A321-271NX are better suited for CEB and longer routes out of MNL
I see those in BKK, CGK, DEL, HKG, HND, KUL, NRT, SIN, TPE and PR's other China routes more and more in the future.
AB330 wrote:NAIA 3.
Devilfish wrote:Meanwhile, 5J has ordered 45 aircraft for the near term per Cirium Aviation Data.....
https://www.philstar.com/business/2023/ ... a-carriers
Hoping this wouldn't lead to the airline being over-leveraged.
JNC03 wrote:"Currently the priority is on the long-haul fleet," said Christoph Gaerter, PAL vice president for fleet and network planning. "We have eight 777 (aircraft), they are starting to age, particularly the cabin interiors are not what we would like to offer to our customers so there are several things we are looking at that could either be a refurbishment of the existing aircraft or buying new aircraft."
https://www.cnnphilippines.com/business ... -2023.html
PAL executives said they hope to either refurbish or replace the narrow-body planes — a mix of Airbus and Boeing — with new units, but negotiations have just begun.
AB330 wrote:Also mentioned is PAL will also be seeking to either refurbished or replace its narrow-body fleet too! Could this mean there considering the A321neo will likely replace the current A321ceo in service although 13 will not be enough to full replace the fleet so they will possibly lease more in the future also mention is refurbishing the interiors of some of thier A321ceo to extended their service life within the airline. I wonder is PAL considering ordering a different type to replace their other narrow-body aircraft?PAL executives said they hope to either refurbish or replace the narrow-body planes — a mix of Airbus and Boeing — with new units, but negotiations have just begun.
The way it is written makes me think their also considering the B737 Max? Which could be used for both domesitc through GAP who operated B737 in the past so if that is the case it will be full circle. I could also see mainline PAL operate the B737 Max to replace the A320-200 with those being base out of Cebu and Clark while the A321neo could be used mainly out of Manila?!
JNC03 wrote:Philippine Airlines (PAL) expects to firm up a potential order for more widebody aircraft in the coming months, as the airline eyes a profitable year amid strong travel demand.
In comments first published in local media and later confirmed by the airline, PAL chief Stanley Ng says that the airline plans to “revisit” its orderbook, and is looking at more aircraft, specifically the larger A350-1000.
https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/phi ... 07.article
JNC03 wrote:Philippine Airlines (PAL) expects to firm up a potential order for more widebody aircraft in the coming months, as the airline eyes a profitable year amid strong travel demand.
JNC03 wrote:In comments first published in local media and later confirmed by the airline, PAL chief Stanley Ng says that the airline plans to “revisit” its orderbook, and is looking at more aircraft, specifically the larger A350-1000.
Bobby27ph wrote:Hope they consider getting 787’s as well!
JNC03 wrote:It plans to also “revisit” its order and might “add” more wide body orders, specifically Airbus A350-1000s.
Ng said PAL will firm up its new order “maybe within the month or next month.”
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2023/03/1 ... -for-2023/
All statements and things stated in the article are confirmed by PAL via disclosure to PSE
Devilfish wrote:Seems the 789 is a strong contender for PR's widebody renewal options with it being referred as the "baby" in the "6 + 6" order scenario mentioned in another forum. But to inject more fun into this order guessing game, what if the supposed Airbus call to PAL counter-offered A35K plus A338 as a cheaper package -- with the 'runt' being made available much earlier than 2028
Simple Flying says the A350K "presents a perfect fit for PAL".....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uks_UVcokgY
Which of the candidates for PR's new widebody fleet does the plane outside the window of CGI render for their new Mabuhay Lounge in NAIA T1 resemble?
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.4834495/
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.4834497/
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.4834496/
Posted in SkyscraperCity by: @LRB40
Quite nice if carried out accordingly. And to solve NAIA's space woes...it would be pragmatic to base much of the LCC's operations at CRK.
azyazy wrote:Devilfish wrote:Seems the 789 is a strong contender for PR's widebody renewal options with it being referred as the "baby" in the "6 + 6" order scenario mentioned in another forum. But to inject more fun into this order guessing game, what if the supposed Airbus call to PAL counter-offered A35K plus A338 as a cheaper package -- with the 'runt' being made available much earlier than 2028
Simple Flying says the A350K "presents a perfect fit for PAL".....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uks_UVcokgY
Does the A338 have the same cargo capacity as the B789 and is able to cross the pacific without problems. The baby is highly being considered just recently as the airline looks to grow its cargo business in the years to come.
AB330 wrote:azyazy wrote:Devilfish wrote:Seems the 789 is a strong contender for PR's widebody renewal options with it being referred as the "baby" in the "6 + 6" order scenario mentioned in another forum. But to inject more fun into this order guessing game, what if the supposed Airbus call to PAL counter-offered A35K plus A338 as a cheaper package -- with the 'runt' being made available much earlier than 2028
Simple Flying says the A350K "presents a perfect fit for PAL".....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uks_UVcokgY
Does the A338 have the same cargo capacity as the B789 and is able to cross the pacific without problems. The baby is highly being considered just recently as the airline looks to grow its cargo business in the years to come.
Baby? What are you referring to exactly for wide-body its either the Airbus A330-800neo or the Boeing B787-8 or is it a narrow-body aircraft such as the A320neo, B737 Max 8 or something even smaller such as the A220 family (A220-100 & A220-300) and the Embraer E190-E2/E195-E2 which isn't far featched since Scoot recently ordered the E190-E2 so maye PAL is considering regional jets to replace the DHC-8-Q400?
azyazy wrote:AB330 wrote:azyazy wrote:
Does the A338 have the same cargo capacity as the B789 and is able to cross the pacific without problems. The baby is highly being considered just recently as the airline looks to grow its cargo business in the years to come.
Baby? What are you referring to exactly for wide-body its either the Airbus A330-800neo or the Boeing B787-8 or is it a narrow-body aircraft such as the A320neo, B737 Max 8 or something even smaller such as the A220 family (A220-100 & A220-300) and the Embraer E190-E2/E195-E2 which isn't far featched since Scoot recently ordered the E190-E2 so maye PAL is considering regional jets to replace the DHC-8-Q400?
My bad, what I meant was B789, not baby.