Deltabravo1123 wrote:

Is it known when SAS will have their last 737-700 flight?

Not yet, but most likely Autumn 2023

Anyone know why it's taking so long for Sunclass to bring their A339 OY-VKO into service? My understanding is that it was an ntu frame that went to Naples post-delivery from TLS for cabin refitting, but that seems like a good while ago by now.

Braathens International Airways have obtained their AOC

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... btains-aoc

This is the company that will fly Braathens/BRAs A319s. Of which the first one arrived at MMX yesterday

Callsign will be Sun Trip

In October last year, Finnair dropped their Helsinki-Tartu route. There was talk that a new PSO subsidy would be created to link Tartu to a hub airport - Helsinki, Stockholm, Riga, Copenhagen and Warsaw were all mentioned as being possible candidates
Has anything happened about a PSO route ? Has budget been found for this ? Is there an intention to advertise the PSO formally within the EU ? Any dates around this ?

CPH-R wrote:

Anyone know why it's taking so long for Sunclass to bring their A339 OY-VKO into service? My understanding is that it was an ntu frame that went to Naples post-delivery from TLS for cabin refitting, but that seems like a good while ago by now.

From what I've heard it's waiting for the interior to be installed due to the lack of parts
Supply chain issues with interior parts has been a big issue for several airlines and airframers for a while now.

Someone83 wrote:

This is the company that will fly Braathens/BRAs A319s. Of which the first one arrived at MMX yesterday

Any more Infos, like previous registrations or msn?!

debonair wrote:

Someone83 wrote:

This is the company that will fly Braathens/BRAs A319s. Of which the first one arrived at MMX yesterday

Any more Infos, like previous registrations or msn?!

SE-RGV - MSN2283

Former easyJet G-EZEU, Sky Airline CC-AFX and Sundair D-ASSK

SAS has returned SE-ROH to the lessor, as part of the ch.11 process

From Skyliner

Airbus A320 -251N 9173 SE-ROH SAS ferried 01feb23 ARN-CHR on return to lessor

Also LN-RKR was returned today

From Skyliner

Airbus A330 -343 1660 LN-RKR SAS ferried 01feb23 CPH-CHR on return to lessor

KLM is dropping Aarhus after just 5 months.
https://check-in.dk/klm-traekker-sig-fr ... -142-dage/
This makes me worry about the new SAS Aalborg-Newark route in the summer

davidjohnson6 wrote:

KLM is dropping Aarhus after just 5 months.
https://check-in.dk/klm-traekker-sig-fr ... -142-dage/
This makes me worry about the new SAS Aalborg-Newark route in the summer

Could it be lack of a Skyteam FF base? Isn’t the Scandinavian market more probe to be a Star Alliance FF base?

Isn’t BLL also in the same catchment area (1 hour away) where KL operates 4x daily flights with E190/737 aircraft cannibalizing the Aarhus route?

Reason I’m thinking that as I always saw in the past AF and KL offering very cheap long haul connections from ARN/CPH/OSL compared to other EU cities. Not sure if it’s still the case today.

lesfalls wrote:

Reason I’m thinking that as I always saw in the past AF and KL offering very cheap long haul connections from ARN/CPH/OSL compared to other EU cities. Not sure if it’s still the case today.

I don't know if it ties in into your other argument, but I just did a OSL-CDG-SFO-AMS-OSL run this past week on AF outbound and KL inbound, and it was a very cheap option, even last minute. Though LH and LX, along with BA were coming in very close.

KL is very strong in Norway and offers great connections.

davidjohnson6 wrote:

KLM is dropping Aarhus after just 5 months.
https://check-in.dk/klm-traekker-sig-fr ... -142-dage/
This makes me worry about the new SAS Aalborg-Newark route in the summer

The question is whether it was ever KLM's intention to operate AMS-AAR in Summer 2023, as.......

1. AMS-AAL is 4x daily in summer (1x E75, 1x E90, 2x E295)
2. AMS-BLL is 5x daily in summer (3x E90, 2x B738)
3. AMS-CPH is 7x daily in summer (5x B737, 1x E90, 1x E295)
4. KLM plans to operate its full schedule in S23, and hence is slot restricted at AMS (first time since 2019).

It looks as if AMS-AAR may have been just a slot sitter for KL in W22.

http://www.klm.com

Hahaha! I am going to get on one of those flights just because of the call sign! One of my favourite movies!

https://youtu.be/3WD7f7pvoSY

Also good to see the full Braathens name back!
Saw this photo today:

https://flysmart24.no/2023/02/05/forste ... eroppdrag/


Like this a lot!

Someone83 wrote:

Braathens International Airways have obtained their AOC

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... btains-aoc

This is the company that will fly Braathens/BRAs A319s. Of which the first one arrived at MMX yesterday

Callsign will be Sun Trip ;)

Someone83 wrote:

SE-RGV - MSN2283

Former easyJet G-EZEU, Sky Airline CC-AFX and Sundair D-ASSK

Thank you! The coloured stripes on the tail will look nice... Can't wait the plane fully painted!

lesfalls wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

KLM is dropping Aarhus after just 5 months.
https://check-in.dk/klm-traekker-sig-fr ... -142-dage/
This makes me worry about the new SAS Aalborg-Newark route in the summer

Could it be lack of a Skyteam FF base? Isn’t the Scandinavian market more probe to be a Star Alliance FF base?

Isn’t BLL also in the same catchment area (1 hour away) where KL operates 4x daily flights with E190/737 aircraft cannibalizing the Aarhus route?

Reason I’m thinking that as I always saw in the past AF and KL offering very cheap long haul connections from ARN/CPH/OSL compared to other EU cities. Not sure if it’s still the case today.

Both BLL and AAL can - reasonably - be said to be in the same catchment area as AAR, so for KLM to fly to all three does seem a bit excessive.

Looks like a 7th E195 is on its way to SAS Link

Former Air Europa, owned by Azorra Aviation

From Skyliner:

Embraer 195 LR 190.00401 SE-RFP SAS Link regd 06feb23 at EXT prior delivery ex 9H-BSV

Someone83 wrote:

Looks like a 7th E195 is on its way to SAS Link

Former Air Europa, owned by Azorra Aviation

From Skyliner:

Embraer 195 LR 190.00401 SE-RFP SAS Link regd 06feb23 at EXT prior delivery ex 9H-BSV

A type from Skyliner though: Registration will be: SE-RSP

CPH-R wrote:

lesfalls wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

KLM is dropping Aarhus after just 5 months.
https://check-in.dk/klm-traekker-sig-fr ... -142-dage/
This makes me worry about the new SAS Aalborg-Newark route in the summer

Could it be lack of a Skyteam FF base? Isn’t the Scandinavian market more probe to be a Star Alliance FF base?

Isn’t BLL also in the same catchment area (1 hour away) where KL operates 4x daily flights with E190/737 aircraft cannibalizing the Aarhus route?

Reason I’m thinking that as I always saw in the past AF and KL offering very cheap long haul connections from ARN/CPH/OSL compared to other EU cities. Not sure if it’s still the case today.

Both BLL and AAL can - reasonably - be said to be in the same catchment area as AAR, so for KLM to fly to all three does seem a bit excessive.

Makes the new PLAY routes to all three from KEF even more puzzling…

lesfalls wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

KLM is dropping Aarhus after just 5 months.
https://check-in.dk/klm-traekker-sig-fr ... -142-dage/
This makes me worry about the new SAS Aalborg-Newark route in the summer

Reason I’m thinking that as I always saw in the past AF and KL offering very cheap long haul connections from ARN/CPH/OSL compared to other EU cities. Not sure if it’s still the case today.

So true. Was looking at HEL-PDX and it was over 900. I got a ARN-PDX for 355 euros round trip in summer lol. This is on BA but DL/KL we’re about in the same price range. Normally a DL flyer but since my move I am trying to utilize my Finnair account more.

toobz wrote:

lesfalls wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

KLM is dropping Aarhus after just 5 months.
https://check-in.dk/klm-traekker-sig-fra-aarhus-
efter-blot-142-dage/
This makes me worry about the new SAS Aalborg-Newark route in the summer

Reason I’m thinking that as I always saw in the past AF and KL offering very cheap long haul connections from ARN/CPH/OSL compared to other EU cities. Not sure if it’s still the case today.

So true. Was looking at HEL-PDX and it was over 900. I got a ARN-PDX for 355 euros round trip in summer lol. This is on BA but DL/KL we’re about in the same price range. Normally a DL flyer but since my move I am trying to utilize my Finnair account more.

Finnair to my knowledge has always been overpriced TATL except in January/February and deep winter due to such a low demand to Finland from the U.S then.

SK is suspending SK945/946 ARN-ORD 28/2/2023-21/3/2023 for “operational reasons.”

Source in Danish: https://finalcall.travel/da/sas-skaerer ... l-chicago/

The city of Savonlinna is negotiating with NyxAir to start PSO service to Helsinki in March. Also, Transavia will do three Rotterdam-SVL-RVN in the summer.

Had friends get rebooked from 12-13 hour trips to 24+ hours. Unacceptable from SAS

It looks like WF is starting to add frequencies to its BGO-STN route. Looks like a 3rd weekly frequency added in April. Hopefully there will be more. Going from daily at LHR to 2x weekly at STN at launch was quite the drop!

Play with seasonal 2x weekly route KEF-VCE

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230210-ogvce

OG684 KEF1445 – 2105VCE 32N 47
OG685 VCE2205 – 0040+1KEF 32N 47

From May 1, airBaltic is starting TMP to MXP and NCE, with 2x weekly each. At the same time AMS is reduced from daily to 3x weekly

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230210-bttmp

Tampere – Milan Malpensa eff 01MAY23 2 weekly A220-300
BT567 TMP0610 – 0855MXP 223 4
BT567 TMP1715 – 2000MXP 223 1

BT568 MXP0935 – 1350TMP 223 4
BT568 MXP2100 – 0115+1TMP 223 1

Tampere – Nice eff 02MAY23 2 weekly A220-300
BT569 TMP1700 – 1935NCE 223 26
BT570 NCE2015 – 0040+1TMP 223 26

Also yesterday, SAS started (or restarted) CPH-JFK

I'm noticing on some days when IAD or BOS are not operating that two A321NX's are operating into EWR, 903/904 & 907/908.

Loads must be really light, savings may be significant not having to use a Big Bus when the NX's can suffice on the route.

With 919/920 into JFK, perhaps there may be days when all three NX's visit the NYC area on the same day.

Any idea if SAS will opt for more of these lean NX's to open up new opportunities? Seems like these A321NX's are proving themselves very well with many carriers being able to sustain a route in the off season.

Looking forward to seeing them again at YYZ for the summer.

Good news for TMP. BT will start MXP and NCE in May, both twice weekly. Also, VAA has good news. SK will resume ARN already in April instead of June.

Anyone knows if NYO and VXO airports have arranged subsidies with Norwegian to operate their summer routes from there?

How serious is the proposal to close down the Torsby-Hagfors-Arlanda PSO route and (possibly) replace with a Karlstad-Stockholm route ?
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/flygli ... li-vinnare
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/varml ... land-hotad
Outside holiday periods when the PSO flights do not operate.... Hagfors sees about 215 pax per month, while Torsby sees about 175 pax per month
From an objective point of view, the proposal has some merit to it. From a personal point of view, I hope it won't close until I've had a chance to visit Hagfors

Braathens did announce today a deal with the tour operator Apollo, to take over much of the traffic when their agreement with Novair ends in October 2023.

To do this they will add 2 A320s to their fleet, in addition to the 5 A319 already planned for

Rumours on a Swedish travel news website that Novair will close down in September, as Apollo won't renew their contract after the summer 2023 flying season.

CPH-R wrote:

Rumours on a Swedish travel news website that Novair will close down in September, as Apollo won't renew their contract after the summer 2023 flying season.

Already being discussed
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1481545

Air Greenland operated its last regular flight with the A330-200 from Kangerlussuaq to Copenhagen, as they transitions to their new A330-800.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/OYG ... /BGSF/EKCH

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How serious is the proposal to close down the Torsby-Hagfors-Arlanda PSO route and (possibly) replace with a Karlstad-Stockholm route ?
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/flygli ... li-vinnare
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/varml ... land-hotad
Outside holiday periods when the PSO flights do not operate.... Hagfors sees about 215 pax per month, while Torsby sees about 175 pax per month
From an objective point of view, the proposal has some merit to it. From a personal point of view, I hope it won't close until I've had a chance to visit Hagfors

Been to Hagfors... four hings surprised me
- Hagfors airport doesn't X-ray luggage, have a security arch or search pax. There is essentially no security screening at Hagfors. On arrival in Arlanda, all pax from Torsby and Hagfors are met by security and escorted out of the transit area so they have to reclear security if they have onward flights
- When flying to Arlanda, I was the sole passenger from Hagfors... there was 1 passenger coming from Torsby. Boarding cards aren't normally needed.
- A number of people living in the area are surprised these flights still operate
- I am amazed that the termnal at Hagfors which is little more than a large house, could be such a comfortable environment. It feels like the lounge in a person's private home, with a runway in the back yard. The whole experience feels more like using a privately chartered aircraft / general aviation

I understand what happens when a rural area loses transport connections... but with a public subsidy of over 250 euros for each person making a one-way journey from an area which is neither outlying nor an offshore island, and less than 90 mins drive from a city on the main Oslo-Stockholm railway... it's difficult to justify the continued public expense.

davidjohnson6 wrote:

Been to Hagfors... four hings surprised me
- Hagfors airport doesn't X-ray luggage, have a security arch or search pax. There is essentially no security screening at Hagfors. On arrival in Arlanda, all pax from Torsby and Hagfors are met by security and escorted out of the transit area so they have to reclear security if they have onward flights

Never been to Hagfors myself (well, I was once upon a time, but by bus... no flights in July ), but this is very common on domestic flights in the northern countries. In Iceland you will even fly on planes as large as Q400's out of RKV airport without any security check. Don't know about Norway.

davidjohnson6 wrote:

I understand what happens when a rural area loses transport connections... but with a public subsidy of over 250 euros for each person making a one-way journey from an area which is neither outlying nor an offshore island, and less than 90 mins drive from a city on the main Oslo-Stockholm railway... it's difficult to justify the continued public expense.

True - there is even a working rail line from Torsby to Karlstad; for all they money they waste on these flights, they could easily run an additional train per day...

Korean is returning with their ICN-OSL charters the coming Summer. Although only 1x weekly for 5 weeks with 787-9

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230224-k ... aegnvZc7fk

Morning All - How's security at Arlanda these days? Google says it's fine but I have at 6.30AM flight with Ryanair next Sunday and I would love to stay in bed for as long as possible! Luckily I'm staying at a nearby hotel

Gfgdfgv wrote:

Morning All - How's security at Arlanda these days? Google says it's fine but I have at 6.30AM flight with Ryanair next Sunday and I would love to stay in bed for as long as possible! Luckily I'm staying at a nearby hotel

It is usually fine. Not at all like last year. With FR you can also use the security in the old Terminal 4 which will shorten the lines even further.

According to checkin.dk SAS has confirmed to wetlease 8 A320 from Smartlynx the coming Summer

Skift did an interview with SAS CEO Anko van der Werff
Clear he is pushing to be part of consolidation of the airline sector in Europe.

https://skift.com/2023/02/26/sas-ceo-eu ... olidation/

mercure1 wrote:

Skift did an interview with SAS CEO Anko van der Werff
Clear he is pushing to be part of consolidation of the airline sector in Europe.

https://skift.com/2023/02/26/sas-ceo-eu ... olidation/

Who would be interested though. The EU3 are now all otherwise occupied, and SAS isn't that attractive a target anyway. I'm going to throw a brick in the pond here, but IAG won't touch it, AF/KL can't afford it, and LH don't need it.

mercure1 wrote:

Skift did an interview with SAS CEO Anko van der Werff
Clear he is pushing to be part of consolidation of the airline sector in Europe.

https://skift.com/2023/02/26/sas-ceo-eu ... olidation/

Interesting read, it's clear what his strategy is on the long haul side.
The A321LR could allow European hub to secondary cities in the US.
But it also allows European secondary cities to hubs in the US. And that's the strategy he has chosen.
Interesting times ahead.

According to Avinor on social media, Eurowings is starting DUS-OSL from end of May, with 4x weekly

davidjohnson6 wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How serious is the proposal to close down the Torsby-Hagfors-Arlanda PSO route and (possibly) replace with a Karlstad-Stockholm route ?
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/flygli ... li-vinnare
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/varml ... land-hotad
Outside holiday periods when the PSO flights do not operate.... Hagfors sees about 215 pax per month, while Torsby sees about 175 pax per month
From an objective point of view, the proposal has some merit to it. From a personal point of view, I hope it won't close until I've had a chance to visit Hagfors

Been to Hagfors... four hings surprised me
- Hagfors airport doesn't X-ray luggage, have a security arch or search pax. There is essentially no security screening at Hagfors. On arrival in Arlanda, all pax from Torsby and Hagfors are met by security and escorted out of the transit area so they have to reclear security if they have onward flights
- When flying to Arlanda, I was the sole passenger from Hagfors... there was 1 passenger coming from Torsby. Boarding cards aren't normally needed.
- A number of people living in the area are surprised these flights still operate
- I am amazed that the termnal at Hagfors which is little more than a large house, could be such a comfortable environment. It feels like the lounge in a person's private home, with a runway in the back yard. The whole experience feels more like using a privately chartered aircraft / general aviation

I understand what happens when a rural area loses transport connections... but with a public subsidy of over 250 euros for each person making a one-way journey from an area which is neither outlying nor an offshore island, and less than 90 mins drive from a city on the main Oslo-Stockholm railway... it's difficult to justify the continued public expense.

I used to operate these flights (Torsby-Hagfors-Arlanda) and other PSO's within Sweden. The PSO's are based on a travel time to any major city with access to things like larger hospitals, universities etc. Torsby and Hagfors are in a bit of an awkward location, as even with own transport you are looking at over 4hrs to get to Central Stockholm or Gothenburg. Public transport is a bit longer still. Oslo is closer but that means driving your own citizens over the border. So I can understand the logic for the PSO still. Heck, even the drive between Torsby and Hagfors is a pain due to the terrain.

It is a flight that can be done in 6 minutes, with a pit stop on the ground of 15-20 minutes in Hagfors (often shorter), and then onward to ARN in about 50 minutes. So instead of 4+ hours of driving it is ~1,5 hours from airport to airport. Arlanda is 17 minutes from the city center if you are willing to use the Arlanda Express, and even by bus it's just another 30-40 minutes depending on traffic. So about 2hrs basically. The time saving and possibilities opened up are substantial. No security at Torsby either for those flights, it was literally just walk in 15 minutes before the flight and you are good to go.

Back when I operated there, we had frequent flyers quite thankful for the connection. We flew Swedish royalty to the ski tunnel in Torsby. We had days with 1-2 pax. Days with full plane. If I lived there, I'd rather have the option than being stuck with a 4 hour drive, even if I only used it once a year. So let them keep it as long as there is a budget for it .

mercure1 wrote:

Skift did an interview with SAS CEO Anko van der Werff
Clear he is pushing to be part of consolidation of the airline sector in Europe.

https://skift.com/2023/02/26/sas-ceo-eu ... olidation/

Some insights there, but the invitation to upgrade to a Skift Pro subscription is wasted given it was such a poorly edited article. It still reads like a bad automatic transcription of a phone call between two non-native English speakers.

West Atlantic Sweden has retired their last BAe ATP freighter

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -bae-atpfs

jhz94 wrote:

Gfgdfgv wrote:

Morning All - How's security at Arlanda these days? Google says it's fine but I have at 6.30AM flight with Ryanair next Sunday and I would love to stay in bed for as long as possible! Luckily I'm staying at a nearby hotel

It is usually fine. Not at all like last year. With FR you can also use the security in the old Terminal 4 which will shorten the lines even further.

Thanks for the tip, just got through straight away. T5 security looked fine but my shuttle bus only went to T4 anyway!

Aviator newsletter reports SAS in talks with Hi Fly Malta to lease in two aircraft S23 due fleet shortage needed to cover longhaul ops

mercure1 wrote:

Aviator newsletter reports SAS in talks with Hi Fly Malta to lease in two aircraft S23 due fleet shortage needed to cover longhaul ops

Maybe they cut too deeply with their fleet rejections in bankruptcy.