Lufthansa Cityline getting three factory new A320neo. D-AIJH, D-AIJI and D-AIJJ will be operated by CLH crews instead of DLH. The remaining CLH E190 will be transferred to Air Dolomoti within the next 12 months.
https://www.aero.de/news-44478/Lufthans ... -Trio.html

conaly wrote:

ben7x wrote:

kaitak744 wrote:

So is there any truth to LH taking 7 RR-powered 787s that are NTUs?

From press release:

Lufthansa will receive the aircraft [7 additional 787], which were originally intended for other airlines, in 2025 and 2026. At the same time, the delivery dates for the Boeing 787-9s already ordered from Boeing will be revised and, in some cases, brought forward to 2023 and 2024.

https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/newsr ... craft.html

This sounds contradictory to what actually happened. The first deliveries started 2022 with ntus. And why would they take ntus only from 2025 on, if they have to wait for the factory built Dreamliners anyway. I would guess, that the 787 "intended for other airlines" may not be ntus, but just slots, that they took over.

No, I think they are already built frames that LH will be taking alongside new builds. And why not? Airlines will still have to wait a long time for new builds.

And they will have RR.

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries

887, 893, 898, 905, 913 are the five with GE. Three have already been delivered. Another should follow next week and the fifth in March.

https://sites.google.com/view/europeana ... authuser=0

1011 (with RR) is rumoured to be next.

Also available are 955, 971, 983 (all ex-Norwegian). It seems likely that's four of the seven accounted for.

Of course, there are ex-Norwegian -9s still sitting with lessors but they would not be counted as direct orders from Boeing.

Which means one or more of the airlines who have RR -9s built and flown but not delivered are going to relinquish them.

PM wrote:

conaly wrote:

ben7x wrote:

From press release:

https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/newsr ... craft.html

This sounds contradictory to what actually happened. The first deliveries started 2022 with ntus. And why would they take ntus only from 2025 on, if they have to wait for the factory built Dreamliners anyway. I would guess, that the 787 "intended for other airlines" may not be ntus, but just slots, that they took over.

No, I think they are already built frames that LH will be taking alongside new builds. And why not? Airlines will still have to wait a long time for new builds.

And they will have RR.

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries

887, 893, 898, 905, 913 are the five with GE. Three have already been delivered. Another should follow next week and the fifth in March.

https://sites.google.com/view/europeana ... authuser=0

1011 (with RR) is rumoured to be next.

Also available are 955, 971, 983 (all ex-Norwegian). It seems likely that's four of the seven accounted for.

Of course, there are ex-Norwegian -9s still sitting with lessors but they would not be counted as direct orders from Boeing.

Which means one or more of the airlines who have RR -9s built and flown but not delivered are going to relinquish them.

See what I wrote here and here:
viewtopic.php?p=23669253#p23667407
viewtopic.php?p=23669253#p23667447

Came out a while ago but I can't figure out the difference

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230112-lh359

New 318 seat A350 config, is it just a denser Y class on the ex PAL frames? It's a considerably larger total seat count.

whywhyzee wrote:

New 318 seat A350 config, is it just a denser Y class on the ex PAL frames? It's a considerably larger total seat count.

It's not really denser. They removed a toilet, a wardrobe and the cabin divider between Premium Eco and Eco and used the gained space for seats instead. Just more efficient usage of space compared to the former PR configuration.

Deutsche Bahn saw demand for air-rail connections with Lufthansa jump 25% in 2022, after fully recovering the year before.

https://skift.com/blog/germanys-deutsch ... r-numbers/

dcajet wrote:

Deutsche Bahn saw demand for air-rail connections with Lufthansa jump 25% in 2022, after fully recovering the year before.

https://skift.com/blog/germanys-deutsch ... r-numbers/

Looking at this map, it's disappointing to know that LH still flies very short and polluting intra-German flights when they are adequately covered by train. The worst LH flight offenders are FRA to Stuttgart, Hannover, Leipzig, and Nürnberg. For climate protection reasons, I think the German government should crack down and ban these very short flights.

max999 wrote:

dcajet wrote:

Deutsche Bahn saw demand for air-rail connections with Lufthansa jump 25% in 2022, after fully recovering the year before.

https://skift.com/blog/germanys-deutsch ... r-numbers/

Looking at this map, it's disappointing to know that LH still flies very short and polluting intra-German flights when they are adequately covered by train. The worst LH flight offenders are FRA to Stuttgart, Hannover, Leipzig, and Nürnberg. For climate protection reasons, I think the German government should crack down and ban these very short flights.

Problem with this, that DB is often still much too unreliable. When traveling with a lot off luggage, trains are not an option at all, as I can't carry more than two cases at once (and I know a lot of people working in field service, that travel with more than that, as they have expensive equipment with them). The space in the trains is also very limited. You need to get by car to the airport and then get rid of all the luggage ASAP, so you don't see it until you arrive at your destination. Still, there is no way to check in luggage at the departing train stations (Lufthansa had a service long time ago). And Frankfurt's security checks have been overcrowded for years now, meaning it is necessary to have already cleared passengers from other airports for a functioning airport.

It is sad, but this is the reality here. And I don't see that changing anytime soon, as new railway tracks face often extreme protests by local citizens or even environmentalist groups. For Munich it is even worse, as there is no high speed rail connection to the airport at all and just yesterday the Federal Ministry of Transportation concluded, that there is "no legal basis" for a new high speed line to MUC in the requirements plan.


Besides that, some of the sold tickets with a feeder/connecting trains are more expensive than the same routing with a feeder flight. You could book them separately (which I've done a few times already) making it much cheaper, however you lose all your benefits like free rebooking, compensations and/or free hotel if necessary in case something goes wrong. Therefore you must plan your trip with a large time buffer, which isn't even possible at any time.

If they want to get rid of domestic flights in Germany, there must be a working alternative which unfortunately does not exist yet, at least not for feeder/connecting flights. I am totally in favor of banning domestic flights for point-to-point routes, however there are some, that are more or less 100% feeder/connecting flights that will be necessary for another at least 10-20 years. Interestingly, one of the highest frequented P2P-routes in Germany is Cologne/Bonn to Berlin which is mostly used by politicians and their employees, because even after 30 years of Berlin being the capital again, some parts of our government are still in Bonn, the former capital...

Ban? Why? A 737Max/A320Neo/ATR72 isn't an order of magnitude higher in CO2 emmissions based on the figures offered by environmental groups published on the internet which I have read. What is more, these reports offer Aviation values much higher than claimed by manufacturers for the latest 737Max/A320Neo/ATR72/Embraer and A220 planes.
Your remedy is to ban flights, mine would be fleet modernisation and synthetic fuel. That is where airlines like Lufthansa are falling down.
ATR have figures here; https://www.atr-aircraft.com/wp-content ... -600-3.pdf. Ryanair and Wizz with modern fleets claim similar values.
Also, the environment doesn't care if the co2 is emitted on an inter-german flight or one to a more popular location like Paris or Amsterdam or Milan so why single out flights within a country.
Amsterdam and Paris are closer for those in Baden-Würrtemberg.
Prohibitionism is generally a negative and self-defeating strategy to problem resolution.

I remember DB leaving me stranded near Basel with no EU261 to safeguard me. I won't forget it.
I remember DB leaving me missing connections. I won't forget it.
I do not want policies which allow DB to capture the commuting public.

max999 wrote:

dcajet wrote:

Deutsche Bahn saw demand for air-rail connections with Lufthansa jump 25% in 2022, after fully recovering the year before.

https://skift.com/blog/germanys-deutsch ... r-numbers/

Looking at this map, it's disappointing to know that LH still flies very short and polluting intra-German flights when they are adequately covered by train. The worst LH flight offenders are FRA to Stuttgart, Hannover, Leipzig, and Nürnberg. For climate protection reasons, I think the German government should crack down and ban these very short flights.

Banning is nearly always a bad idea, creating incentives is a much more powerful force. As can be seen between FRA-CGN and BER-HAM, offering a solid and actually preferable alternative will in no time lead to flights disappearing. Simply by market forces.

As user conaly said, build the rail infrastructure incl. services for luggage and create a train reliability that isn't a world leading embarrasement and flights for short distances will be a thing of the past in Germany. Until then, not gonna happen.

I don't think it got mentioned here but D-AIDV, the retro A321ceo, along with D-AIDU and D-AIDO have been transferred to eurowings.



I hope there are plans to paint another narrowbody in that same beautiful retro livery. D-AIRX wore this same livery in the past.

Eurowings had A321s in the past (a few that were ex Laudamotion), but they got converted to freighters and transferred to Lufthansa Cargo (operated by CityLine, I believe).

This is a Lufthansa Group discussion, not a discussion on environmental policy or the Deutsche Bahn network. Those discussions are best had in the Non Aviation Forum. Please return to discussing the topic.

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zkojq wrote:

I don't think it got mentioned here but D-AIDV, the retro A321ceo, along with D-AIDU and D-AIDO have been transferred to eurowings.



I hope there are plans to paint another narrowbody in that same beautiful retro livery. D-AIRX wore this same livery in the past.

Eurowings had A321s in the past (a few that were ex Laudamotion), but they got converted to freighters and transferred to Lufthansa Cargo (operated by CityLine, I believe).

Yes, Lufthansa is planning to paint another jet in Retro colours, however it is not decided yet which one:
https://www.aero.de/news-44296/Lufthans ... gs-ab.html

conaly wrote:

Yes, Lufthansa is planning to paint another jet in Retro colours, however it is not decided yet which one:
https://www.aero.de/news-44296/Lufthans ... gs-ab.html

Excellent news, thankyou.

Ver.di union has called for 24-hour strike on Friday (17 February) at German airports of Bremen, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Hannover, Munich and Stuttgart.

https://www.verdi.de/presse/pressemitte ... 1a4a16012a

Industrial action covers airport employees providing ground handling and security services.

I am sure airlines will soon publish their cancellation details.

dcajet wrote:

Deutsche Bahn saw demand for air-rail connections with Lufthansa jump 25% in 2022, after fully recovering the year before.

I wish LH added more destinations to their rail network. Notable omissions among the larger cities are Saarbrücken and Augsburg. Both have a tiny commercial airport (SCN & AGB, respectively), though currently no flights to FRA.
There are other, smaller cities served by the ICE network, some even with direct services to Frankfurt airport, which are missing too. I understand that LH probably doesn't want to overwhelm their customers with a huge choice of domestic destinations but it feels weird that you can take a train to Cologne or Düsseldorf using a LH ticket, yet the very same train continuing to Essen is no longer covered by the agreement.

mercure1 wrote:

Ver.di union has called for 24-hour strike on Friday (17 February) at German airports of Bremen, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Hannover, Munich and Stuttgart.

Note that this affects all airlines at the affected airports, not just LH.

mxaxai wrote:

There are other, smaller cities served by the ICE network, some even with direct services to Frankfurt airport, which are missing too. I understand that LH probably doesn't want to overwhelm their customers with a huge choice of domestic destinations but it feels weird that you can take a train to Cologne or Düsseldorf using a LH ticket, yet the very same train continuing to Essen is no longer covered by the agreement.

This kind of situation once lead for me having to fly DUS-FRA-NUE. I booked NUE-DUS and DUS-NUE on LH website (direct flights op by EW, Lufthansa ticketstock). Over the time, the flights have been rebooked and cancelled multiple times by Lufthansa/Eurowings where I was either routed via Frankfurt, Hamburg and at other times and days. The "best" part was when I was on the phone with an agent from Lufthansa to find a solution, that would work for me, as I couldn't get back from DUS earlier on that particular day (I had an evening flight that was cancelled with no suitable alternative left). She offered to take the train from DUS to FRA and than continue with LH from FRA to NUE. I looked up the train schedule and that particular train would've continued to Nuremberg anyway, so I asked if I could just get a train ticket for the whole route. She denied, because there is no Lufthansa connection via rail from DUS to NUE, despite both legs marketed as train service from and to Frankfurt airport. In the end I had to spend another night in DUS (hotel paid by LH) and fly DUS-FRA-NUE the next day.


Now back to topic: Eurowings and Volotea signed a sales partnership. A total of 140 connections (100 EW routes and 40 V7 routes) in both respective home markets are being marketed together. Volotea will also launch eight new routes from Germany (BER, DUS, STR, HAM) to Italy (VRN, FLR) and France (BOD, LYS, NTE). It seems this will be limited to reselling those seats, as there will be no code sharing.

Source: https://www.aero.de/news-44511/Eurowing ... lotea.html (German)

LH is experiencing massive and worldwide IT outages, leading to great challenges for check-in and boarding. A few flights have departed without luggage, while boarding was done using paper checklists.
https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unter ... de334525bc [German]
https://www.bild.de/geld/wirtschaft/wir ... .bild.html [German]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... cellations [English]

Passengers booked on domestic flights are requested to use alternative means of transportation, especially trains. The expected duration of the outage is unknown.

Flights inbound to FRA are being put into holding and/or diverted to other airports to prevent overcrowding at FRA. This also affects non-LH-group airlines.
LH573 JNB-FRA div to MUC
LH695 TLV-FRA div to DUS
UA932 IAD-FRA div to BRU
FI520 KEF-FRA div to BRU
IR721 IKA-FRA div to MXP

zkojq wrote:

conaly wrote:

Yes, Lufthansa is planning to paint another jet in Retro colours, however it is not decided yet which one:
https://www.aero.de/news-44296/Lufthans ... gs-ab.html

Excellent news, thankyou.

Are the early A350s considered to be in a retro livery? Or has it to be more than N-1?

ro1960 wrote:

zkojq wrote:

conaly wrote:

Yes, Lufthansa is planning to paint another jet in Retro colours, however it is not decided yet which one:
https://www.aero.de/news-44296/Lufthans ... gs-ab.html

Excellent news, thankyou.

Are the early A350s considered to be in a retro livery? Or has it to be more than N-1?

They were painted in the actual livery at the time of their painting, so no, they don’t count as retro.

mxaxai wrote:

Flights inbound to FRA are being put into holding and/or diverted to other airports to prevent overcrowding at FRA. This also affects non-LH-group airlines.

Update: The situation at FRA has improved slightly and flights are again arriving as planned. LH departures at FRA, MUC and elsewhere are slowly resuming. IT seems to work again since ca. 12:15 CET.
Other LH group airlines are not impacted, however some other airlines including 4Y and JL also suffered similar IT problems in FRA. Operations tomorrow are expected to be back to normal.

The news reports have been updated with the presumed cause of the IT problems: A fiber optic cable (or a bundle thereof) near Frankfurt was damaged by construction work on Tuesday. The hole was subsequently filled with concrete.
Why LH's IT continued to work well until ca. 08:00 CET this morning is unclear. The damage had been identified quickly and repair work had started during the night already.

mxaxai wrote:

mxaxai wrote:

Flights inbound to FRA are being put into holding and/or diverted to other airports to prevent overcrowding at FRA. This also affects non-LH-group airlines.

Update: The situation at FRA has improved slightly and flights are again arriving as planned. LH departures at FRA, MUC and elsewhere are slowly resuming. IT seems to work again since ca. 12:15 CET.
Other LH group airlines are not impacted, however some other airlines including 4Y and JL also suffered similar IT problems in FRA. Operations tomorrow are expected to be back to normal.

The news reports have been updated with the presumed cause of the IT problems: A fiber optic cable (or a bundle thereof) near Frankfurt was damaged by construction work on Tuesday. The hole was subsequently filled with concrete.
Why LH's IT continued to work well until ca. 08:00 CET this morning is unclear. The damage had been identified quickly and repair work had started during the night already.

I'm surprised that LH did not organize their network providers with secondary or tertiary connection routings. A cable cut at one location brought down the whole system!

At one of my previous employers, we had two different network providers with four fiber optic cables from the HQ to the data center. Two of the cables went west from the HQ and two cables went south. There was an incident where we lost three cables, but one going west was still up. Thus, we kept our mission critical operations going.

max999 wrote:

I'm surprised that LH did not organize their network providers with secondary or tertiary connection routings. A cable cut at one location brought down the whole system!

At one of my previous employers, we had two different network providers with four fiber optic cables from the HQ to the data center. Two of the cables went west from the HQ and two cables went south. There was an incident where we lost three cables, but one going west was still up. Thus, we kept our mission critical operations going.

It's still unclear what exactly happened, but it appears that there was a backup line. Which worked fine from Tuesday late afternoon until Wednesday early morning but was overwhelmed by the additional traffic as the business day began in continental Europe.
The outage affected not just LH, but also significant parts of Frankfurt and other areas of Germany.

mxaxai wrote:

mercure1 wrote:

Ver.di union has called for 24-hour strike on Friday (17 February) at German airports of Bremen, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Hannover, Munich and Stuttgart.

Note that this affects all airlines at the affected airports, not just LH.

Brief update. The larger of the mentioned airports (FRA, MUC, HAM, STR) have announced a cancellation of all commercial passenger flights on Friday. Only emergencies, disaster relief and government flights will be permitted.

LH cancels over 1,300 flights due Friday strike in Germany.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 023-02-16/

Nearly 300000 passengers affected according to this german text: https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/lufthan ... 02056.html
The Unions obviously don't give a damn so Government should be doing what other European Countries do and proscribing Minimum Service Levels for connectivity which both the Unions and the Airlines must observe. Note that this is a warnstreik so it isn't as though the Employer is to blame at this stage. This is a warning to the employer of what is in store if they don't agree to Verdi's demands.
This doesn't affect me personally as I just avoid Lufthansa as a transport option.

oschkosch wrote:

max999 wrote:

dcajet wrote:

Deutsche Bahn saw demand for air-rail connections with Lufthansa jump 25% in 2022, after fully recovering the year before.

https://skift.com/blog/germanys-deutsch ... r-numbers/

Looking at this map, it's disappointing to know that LH still flies very short and polluting intra-German flights when they are adequately covered by train. The worst LH flight offenders are FRA to Stuttgart, Hannover, Leipzig, and Nürnberg. For climate protection reasons, I think the German government should crack down and ban these very short flights.

Well I say boll*cks to that. HAJ-FRA by train? Will take about 2,5-3 hours plus more when you consider I drive 1 hour to get to HAJ. I typically take such a flight in order to connect in FRA (or MUC), as HAJ hardly offers direct flights to my destinations.

Thank you! I couldn’t agree more. Train doesn’t only take longer, it’s also a nightmare at the train station. Carrying around 2 bags plus carry-on baggage, up and down the stairs to reach the platforms, then all of a sudden some platform change and you run again with all your belongings, and on the train itself there’s no space to store your bags… And I’m not even mentioning the constant delays and the unreliability of Deutsche Bahn!
Sorry, but train is absolutely no alternative when trying to get to a hub.

Lufthansa has started cancelling and rescheduling many flights for summer. Mostly domestic and medium haul routes, up to 34.000 planned flights, which is around 10% of the summer capacity, are affected. Officially they call it "bottlenecks and staff shortages". Aero.de is reporting, that they have problems finding enough crews for the fleet, 20 to 25 aircraft may therefore not be in operation. A proposed temporary collective agreement with the pilots' union intended to give Lufthansa more leeway in scheduling operations, however, the talks ended pretty quickly without result.

https://www.aero.de/news-44555/Kapazita ... hansa.html (German)

conaly wrote:

Lufthansa has started cancelling and rescheduling many flights for summer. Mostly domestic and medium haul routes, up to 34.000 planned flights, which is around 10% of the summer capacity, are affected. Officially they call it "bottlenecks and staff shortages". Aero.de is reporting, that they have problems finding enough crews for the fleet, 20 to 25 aircraft may therefore not be in operation. A proposed temporary collective agreement with the pilots' union intended to give Lufthansa more leeway in scheduling operations, however, the talks ended pretty quickly without result.

https://www.aero.de/news-44555/Kapazita ... hansa.html (German)

Yeah the decisions during corona LH made, like many other firms, are coming back to haunt them... Hopefully they rebook people early enough and it's not the typical short notice chaos...

KingOrGod wrote:

conaly wrote:

Lufthansa has started cancelling and rescheduling many flights for summer. Mostly domestic and medium haul routes, up to 34.000 planned flights, which is around 10% of the summer capacity, are affected. Officially they call it "bottlenecks and staff shortages". Aero.de is reporting, that they have problems finding enough crews for the fleet, 20 to 25 aircraft may therefore not be in operation. A proposed temporary collective agreement with the pilots' union intended to give Lufthansa more leeway in scheduling operations, however, the talks ended pretty quickly without result.

https://www.aero.de/news-44555/Kapazita ... hansa.html (German)

Yeah the decisions during corona LH made, like many other firms, are coming back to haunt them... Hopefully they rebook people early enough and it's not the typical short notice chaos...

I know from some people from my (let's call it) "local frequent fylers regular's table", that they got a lot of rebookings yesterday in one go. Some were pretty nasty where one got a transfer time of around six hours in FRA and five hours in ZRH instead of the around 1-2hrs that were booked before. Lufthansa seems to try their best to find suitable alternatives, however this still sucks.

The problem is unfortunately, EU261/2004 only applies, if the rebooking is within 14 days of the travel date, so basically LH can steal themselves out of any compensation beside the possibility of free refunding or rebooking of the affected tickets. Or to put it bluntly: they sold bunch of tickets and made a shitload of money without ever planing to operate those flights and now they are trying to "optimize" their schedules.

The problem is unfortunately, EU261/2004 only applies, if the rebooking is within 14 days of the travel date, so basically LH can steal themselves out of any compensation beside the possibility of free refunding or rebooking of the affected tickets. Or to put it bluntly: they sold bunch of tickets and made a shitload of money without ever planing to operate those flights and now they are trying to "optimize" their schedules.

I´m quite sure we´ll see a number of other carriers follow suit on Lufthansa´s move. All of them have similar problems IMO - too few crews to operate the scheduled uploaded currently. From a commercial point of view I can fully understand Lufthansa´s move. Better early, some disgruntled pax and avoid compensations than too late and nasty press all along. From an operational perspective even better: it gives a lot of schedule reliability - and opens up the opportunity, in case of more crews then expected, to upgrade the schedule on short notice where needed.

Lufthansa names new Chief Commercial Officer and network chief.

Heiko Reitz is to take up the chief commercial officer role on March 1 and Stefan Kreuzpaintner is to take over network, alliance and partner management

https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/newsr ... lines.html

PhilipBass wrote:

This doesn't affect me personally as I just avoid Lufthansa as a transport option.

Doesn’t necessarily help you, if your destination is Germany, as it is public sector employees striking. This time they chose FRA/MUC (amongst others). Next time they (might) choose something else

Hahn wasn't touched by strike.

PhilipBass wrote:

Hahn wasn't touched by strike.

That's because Hahn is halfway to Luxembourg and the operational impact would have gone completely unnoticed.

What exactly is the strategy for CLH now that the CLH2 project has been canned? Is there a scope agreement in place to allow CLH to operate so many aircraft of a particular size? Is this also the motivation for the E190 to be moved to Air Dolomiti?

Rumours are it has not been canned, but is progressing with an official name internally.

Noshow wrote:

Rumours are it has not been canned, but is progressing with an official name internally.

Thanks Noshow. My understanding was that CLH2 was being set up because the scope agreement to allow CLH to operate the larger Embraer and Airbus jets was ending. Is this correct or is there more to the story, as externally there doesn’t seem to be much except that the pilots were opposed? It would seem that the CRJs would only have a limited shelf life anyway, so a move to future Embraer ops preparing for E2s or A220s would be in both the company’s and the pilot community’s interest.

The legal name formally registered used to be Flugverkehrsbetrieb München GmbH.
Googleing it leads to
City Airlines GmbH
Südallee 15
85356 München-Flughafen
Deutschland

findingnema wrote:

Noshow wrote:

Rumours are it has not been canned, but is progressing with an official name internally.

Thanks Noshow. My understanding was that CLH2 was being set up because the scope agreement to allow CLH to operate the larger Embraer and Airbus jets was ending. Is this correct or is there more to the story, as externally there doesn’t seem to be much except that the pilots were opposed? It would seem that the CRJs would only have a limited shelf life anyway, so a move to future Embraer ops preparing for E2s or A220s would be in both the company’s and the pilot community’s interest.

In 2026 it is ending, so still some time. (Seat limit of 75, so it would affect all of CLH). The Embraers at CLH were always special, as they were flown (partly/mostly) by mainline pilots. That’s why they were moved to EN.

It’s all up for grabs this summer in the mainline negotiations.

LH Cityline 1.0 gets more A321P2F (flying for LH Cargo) plus A320neo or similar. I even saw fleet numbers somewhere.

Terrier79 wrote:

whywhyzee wrote:

New 318 seat A350 config, is it just a denser Y class on the ex PAL frames? It's a considerably larger total seat count.

It's not really denser. They removed a toilet, a wardrobe and the cabin divider between Premium Eco and Eco and used the gained space for seats instead. Just more efficient usage of space compared to the former PR configuration.

Mmm. Yes and no. The new configuration has 21 extra Y seats, so at least 2++ rows @9, meaning they are probably 'shelving off' a few inches from some of the existing rows, as I doubt they would be earning 31" x 2++ by simply removing a toilet, a closet and a partition that is mere inches....
Removing the partition between Y and Y+ is also frankly a very *cheap* move.

Noshow wrote:

LH Cityline 1.0 gets more A321P2F (flying for LH Cargo) plus A320neo or similar. I even saw fleet numbers somewhere.

Yes, all Embraers out and more LH 319's, at least 3x 320neo's and 2 more 321p2f's in.

Ver.di announced its next set of strikes. This time covering Cologne and Dusseldorf airports on Monday February 27.

Eurowings already issued alert of planned cancellations

https://twitter.com/eurowings/status/16 ... 88961?s=20

mercure1 wrote:

Ver.di announced its next set of strikes. This time covering Cologne and Dusseldorf airports on Monday February 27.

Eurowings already issued alert of planned cancellations

https://twitter.com/eurowings/status/16 ... 88961?s=20

Not really an LH thing.

DUSZRH wrote:

Not really an LH thing.

This is the Lufthansa Group thread and Eurowings significant part of the group. They are larger than likes of SN, OS, etc

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