Airbus A350 Production/Deliveries - 2023

DCA350 · Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:52 am

Qatara340 wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:
Now that the QR order has been reinstated, how many A350s for QR are completed and ready to be delivered?

I believe 4 are flying. 23 were left on order... 19 were canceled from the backlog..

I am counting 6 completed frames:

MSN 409 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZND/A7-AOA, engines run and taxi check at TLS
MSN 438 Qatar Airways A35K F-WLXV/A7-AOB, seventh test flight at TLS:
MSN 440 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFB/A7-AOC, sixth test and ferry flight CHR->TLS:
MSN 444 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFJ/A7-AOD, fifth test flight at CH
MSN 036 Qatar Airways A359 F-WZGE/A7-ALL (needs to be painted again)
MSN 430 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZHC/A7-ANT, ninth test flight and ferried CHR->TLS:

Ah ok.. Thanks for the clarification.. So I guess 17 are unbuilt not 19..

Fiend · Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:27 pm

DCA350 wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:
DCA350 wrote:

I believe 4 are flying. 23 were left on order... 19 were canceled from the backlog..

I am counting 6 completed frames:

MSN 409 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZND/A7-AOA, engines run and taxi check at TLS
MSN 438 Qatar Airways A35K F-WLXV/A7-AOB, seventh test flight at TLS:
MSN 440 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFB/A7-AOC, sixth test and ferry flight CHR->TLS:
MSN 444 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFJ/A7-AOD, fifth test flight at CH
MSN 036 Qatar Airways A359 F-WZGE/A7-ALL (needs to be painted again)
MSN 430 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZHC/A7-ANT, ninth test flight and ferried CHR->TLS:

Ah ok.. Thanks for the clarification.. So I guess 17 are unbuilt not 19..

MSN036/A7-ALL has already been delivered, it's 5 completed frames not 6.

scbriml · Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:42 pm

Qatara340 wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:
Now that the QR order has been reinstated, how many A350s for QR are completed and ready to be delivered?

I believe 4 are flying. 23 were left on order... 19 were canceled from the backlog..

I am counting 6 completed frames:

MSN 409 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZND/A7-AOA, engines run and taxi check at TLS
MSN 438 Qatar Airways A35K F-WLXV/A7-AOB, seventh test flight at TLS:
MSN 440 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFB/A7-AOC, sixth test and ferry flight CHR->TLS:
MSN 444 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFJ/A7-AOD, fifth test flight at CH
MSN 036 Qatar Airways A359 F-WZGE/A7-ALL (needs to be painted again)
MSN 430 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZHC/A7-ANT, ninth test flight and ferried CHR->TLS:

A7-ALL isn’t one of the cancelled frames, it’s the original frame that started the whole paint issue and was delivered to QR in 2016.

I always understood there were five completed -1000s that Airbus cancelled one at a time prior to cancelling all the outstanding frames in the backlog.

Scoreboard · Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:09 pm

Qatara340 wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:
Now that the QR order has been reinstated, how many A350s for QR are completed and ready to be delivered?

I believe 4 are flying. 23 were left on order... 19 were canceled from the backlog..

I am counting 6 completed frames:

MSN 409 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZND/A7-AOA, engines run and taxi check at TLS
MSN 438 Qatar Airways A35K F-WLXV/A7-AOB, seventh test flight at TLS:
MSN 440 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFB/A7-AOC, sixth test and ferry flight CHR->TLS:
MSN 444 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZFJ/A7-AOD, fifth test flight at CH
MSN 036 Qatar Airways A359 F-WZGE/A7-ALL (needs to be painted again)
MSN 430 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZHC/A7-ANT, ninth test flight and ferried CHR->TLS:

A7-ALL has already been counted as delivered, way back in November 2016. It is only with Airbus for rectification work and new paint.

audidudi · Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:42 am

Latest movements for 2 February 2023:

MSN 571 Sichuan Airlines A359 F-WZNS/B-32AG, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/571

MSN 596 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZHJ/TC-LGH, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/596

audidudi · Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:29 pm

Latest movements for 4 February 2023:

MSN 561 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZNQ/B-005T/B-xxxx, ninth test flight at TSN:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/561

MSN 590 Lufthansa A359 F-WZFQ/D-AIXR, fourth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/590

MSN 597 Asiana Airlines A359 F-WZGA/HL8521, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/597

audidudi · Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:47 am

Latest movement for 6 February 2023:

MSN 597 Ariana Airlines A359:F-WZGA/HL8521, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/597

audidudi · Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:19 am

Latest movement for 7 January 2023:

MSN 597 Asiana Airlines A359 F-WZGA/HL8521, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/597

audidudi · Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:58 pm

Latest movements for 8 February 2023:

MSN 596 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZHJ/TC-LGH, third test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/596

MSN 609 British Airways A35K F-xxxx/G-XWBN, spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/609

audidudi · Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:12 am

Latest movement for 4 February 2023:

MSN 610 Japan Airlines A35K F-WZFM/JA01WJ, spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/610

audidudi · Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:22 pm

Latest movement for 9 February 2023:

MSN 430 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZHC/A7-ANT, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/430

edealinfo · Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:06 pm

Apparently, report states that from potential 40 wide body A350 orders at Air Show, Air India will ONLY get 6 A350s in 2023 and seems like none in 2024. Then more A350s from 2025 onwards. Are they A350-900 or A350-1000 slots? Does anyone know whose production slots we are talking about for these 6 A350s and in which months in 2023? Or, are these 6 aircraft already manufactured & stored and delivery in 2023 is when Air India will pick it up?

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 517_1.html

https://twitter.com/ArenaJet/status/1624769939226918913

BOEING777EK · Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:24 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Apparently, report states that from potential 40 wide body A350 orders at Air Show, Air India will ONLY get 6 A350s in 2023 and seems like none in 2024. Then more A350s from 2025 onwards. Are they A350-900 or A350-1000 slots? Does anyone know whose production slots we are talking about for these 6 A350s and in which months in 2023? Or, are these 6 aircraft already manufactured & stored and delivery in 2023 is when Air India will pick it up?

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 517_1.html

https://twitter.com/ArenaJet/status/1624769939226918913

The six frames due for AI by year end are most likely to be the six Aeroflot whitetails. It has been treated as gospel for a while that the six AFL A350 whitetails were under numerous stages of completion & even gossip surmised of TK or LH being the candidate for these frames.

DCA350 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:46 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Apparently, report states that from potential 40 wide body A350 orders at Air Show, Air India will ONLY get 6 A350s in 2023 and seems like none in 2024. Then more A350s from 2025 onwards. Are they A350-900 or A350-1000 slots? Does anyone know whose production slots we are talking about for these 6 A350s and in which months in 2023? Or, are these 6 aircraft already manufactured & stored and delivery in 2023 is when Air India will pick it up?

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 517_1.html

https://twitter.com/ArenaJet/status/1624769939226918913

The six frames due for AI by year end are most likely to be the six Aeroflot whitetails. It has been treated as gospel for a while that the six AFL A350 whitetails were under numerous stages of completion & even gossip surmised of TK or LH being the candidate for these frames.

How many Aeroflot whitetails were there? TK took a chunk also.

BOEING777EK · Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:41 am

DCA350 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Apparently, report states that from potential 40 wide body A350 orders at Air Show, Air India will ONLY get 6 A350s in 2023 and seems like none in 2024. Then more A350s from 2025 onwards. Are they A350-900 or A350-1000 slots? Does anyone know whose production slots we are talking about for these 6 A350s and in which months in 2023? Or, are these 6 aircraft already manufactured & stored and delivery in 2023 is when Air India will pick it up?

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 517_1.html

https://twitter.com/ArenaJet/status/1624769939226918913

The six frames due for AI by year end are most likely to be the six Aeroflot whitetails. It has been treated as gospel for a while that the six AFL A350 whitetails were under numerous stages of completion & even gossip surmised of TK or LH being the candidate for these frames.

How many Aeroflot whitetails were there? TK took a chunk also.

A little dig at abcdlist.nl reveals that there are a total of six MSN: 585, 592, 594, 601, 606, 608 which are the bespoken 6 a350s due for AI by 2023.

There are also pre delivery MSN 554, 558 which should be inherited to the TK fleet soon.

MSN 457, 463, 471, 493 already delivered to TK

edealinfo · Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:53 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
The six frames due for AI by year end are most likely to be the six Aeroflot whitetails. It has been treated as gospel for a while that the six AFL A350 whitetails were under numerous stages of completion & even gossip surmised of TK or LH being the candidate for these frames.

DCA350 wrote:

A little dig at abcdlist.nl reveals that there are a total of six MSN: 585, 592, 594, 601, 606, 608 which are the bespoken 6 a350s due for AI by 2023.

There are also pre delivery MSN 554, 558 which should be inherited to the TK fleet soon.

MSN 457, 463, 471, 493 already delivered to TK

Wow, your prediction came true. Respect!

audidudi · Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:49 am

Latest movement for 15 February 2023:

MSN 595 Air China A359 F-WZNL/B-xxxx, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/595

JerseyFlyer · Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:35 pm

Production rate to increase to 9 per month by end-2025:

"Airbus wants to ramp up production of its wide-body model A350 from the current six units per month to nine jets by the end of 2025."

https://www.aero.de/news-44521/Airbus-w ... igern.html

enzo011 · Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:20 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Production rate to increase to 9 per month by end-2025:

"Airbus wants to ramp up production of its wide-body model A350 from the current six units per month to nine jets by the end of 2025."

https://www.aero.de/news-44521/Airbus-w ... igern.html

By the same assumption that was made with the Boeing increase for the 737, some orders must be in the pipeline already for the A350 to support this increase, other than just the AI order. Add in the A330 increase in production it seems to be going well for Airbus.

Polot · Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:24 pm

enzo011 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Production rate to increase to 9 per month by end-2025:

"Airbus wants to ramp up production of its wide-body model A350 from the current six units per month to nine jets by the end of 2025."

https://www.aero.de/news-44521/Airbus-w ... igern.html

By the same assumption that was made with the Boeing increase for the 737, some orders must be in the pipeline already for the A350 to support this increase, other than just the AI order. Add in the A330 increase in production it seems to be going well for Airbus.

The current A350 backlog alone requires this increase, at around 400 planes before AI that is 5.5 years at 6/month. It’s getting the A350 back to around where it was pre Covid.

Airbus didn’t log many A350 cancellations during Covid, which production significantly reduced, which means in part production has to increase to catch back up and build planes that would have been built and delivered over the past couple of years (orders deferred instead) while still offering reasonable availability for new orders, and still having production room for 2023+ delivery deadlines signed before Covid that were never deferred (think airlines like EK).

audidudi · Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:57 am

Latest movements for 17 February 2023:

MSN 596 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZHJ/TC-LGH, fourth test and first CAF at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/596

MSN 597 Asiana Airlines A359 F-WZGA/HL8521, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/597

audidudi · Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:19 am

[code][/code]Latest movements for 17 February 2023:

MSN 355 Avolon for Thai Airways International A359 (HK/HX/HU ntu) F-WZGU/(B-30DP ntu)/OE-IBV/HS-THP, ferried SNN->LDE:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/355

MSN 561 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZNQ/B-005T/B-xxxx, tenth test flight at TSN:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/561

MSN 575 Air China A359 F-WZHF/B-xxxx, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/575

MSN 595 Air China A359 F-WZNL/B-xxxx, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/595

audidudi · Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:28 pm

Latest movements for 18 February 2023:

MSN 592 Unknown A359 (SU ntu) F-WZHH/TBD, spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/592

MSN 604 Air China A359 F-WZGC/B-xxxx, spotted at TLS in primer with engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/604

MSN 612 Air France A359 F-WZFU/F-HUVB, spotted in full livery without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/612

MSN 616 Air France A359 F-WZFD/F-HUVC, spotted in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/616

MrHMSH · Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:01 pm

audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 18 February 2023:

MSN 592 Unknown A359 (SU ntu) F-WZHH/TBD, spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/592

Could this be the first A359 for AI?

DCA350 · Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:36 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 18 February 2023:

MSN 592 Unknown A359 (SU ntu) F-WZHH/TBD, spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/592

Could this be the first A359 for AI?

Almost certainly.. I believe all 6 are supposed to be delivered this year..

edealinfo · Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:56 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
The six frames due for AI by year end are most likely to be the six Aeroflot whitetails. It has been treated as gospel for a while that the six AFL A350 whitetails were under numerous stages of completion & even gossip surmised of TK or LH being the candidate for these frames.

How many Aeroflot whitetails were there? TK took a chunk also.

A little dig at abcdlist.nl reveals that there are a total of six MSN: 585, 592, 594, 601, 606, 608 which are the bespoken 6 a350s due for AI by 2023.

There are also pre delivery MSN 554, 558 which should be inherited to the TK fleet soon.

MSN 457, 463, 471, 493 already delivered to TK

Unfortunately you only got 2 of the 6 correct. See below for the correct list.

GOING TO AIR INDIA
MSN 589
MSN 592
MSN 594
MSN 558
MSN 554
MSN 585

audidudi · Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:16 am

Latest movement for 20 February 2023:

MSN 595 Air China A359 F-WZNL/B-32DN, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/595

tvh · Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:16 am

DCA350 wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 18 February 2023:

MSN 592 Unknown A359 (SU ntu) F-WZHH/TBD, spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/592

Could this be the first A359 for AI?

Almost certainly.. I believe all 6 are supposed to be delivered this year..

That together with the one's for qatar will increase deliveries (not production) this year.

audidudi · Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:27 am

Latest movements for 21 February 2023:

MSN 571 Sichuan Airlines A359 F-WZNS/B-32AG, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/571

MSN 597 Asiana Airlines A359 F-WZGA/HL8521, ferried TLS->CHR for temporary storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/597

MSN 604 Air China A359 F-WZGC/B-xxxx, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/604

a2b7 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:09 pm

Polot wrote:
enzo011 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Production rate to increase to 9 per month by end-2025:

"Airbus wants to ramp up production of its wide-body model A350 from the current six units per month to nine jets by the end of 2025."

https://www.aero.de/news-44521/Airbus-w ... igern.html

By the same assumption that was made with the Boeing increase for the 737, some orders must be in the pipeline already for the A350 to support this increase, other than just the AI order. Add in the A330 increase in production it seems to be going well for Airbus.

The current A350 backlog alone requires this increase, at around 400 planes before AI that is 5.5 years at 6/month. It’s getting the A350 back to around where it was pre Covid.

Airbus didn’t log many A350 cancellations during Covid, which production significantly reduced, which means in part production has to increase to catch back up and build planes that would have been built and delivered over the past couple of years (orders deferred instead) while still offering reasonable availability for new orders, and still having production room for 2023+ delivery deadlines signed before Covid that were never deferred (think airlines like EK).

I don't want to start a discussion about the A350 backlog, but I would still like to point out that even the EK order was postponed by about 15 months, see https://www.aero.de/news-42598/Emirates ... -2024.html (in German)

DartHerald · Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:01 pm

There was talk of a big order for the new Saudi Arabian carrier a short time ago - presumably this is still in prospect, so that could have a bearing too.

audidudi · Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:59 am

Latest movements for 22 February 2023:

MSN 438 Qatar Airways A35K F-WLXV/A7-AOB, ferried CHR->TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/438

MSN 571 Sichuan Airlines A359 F-WZNS/B-32AG, ferried TLS->CHR for temporary storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/571

MSN 590 Lufthansa A359 F-WZFQ/D-AIXR, fifth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/590

MSN 598 China Southern Airlines A359 F-WWBW/B-xxxx, ferried TLS->TSN for cabin installation, painting and customer acceptance:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/598

MSN 604 Air China A359 F-WZGC/B-xxxx, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/604

MrHMSH · Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:16 am

audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 22 February 2023:

MSN 438 Qatar Airways A35K F-WLXV/A7-AOB, ferried CHR->TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/438

MSN 571 Sichuan Airlines A359 F-WZNS/B-32AG, ferried TLS->CHR for temporary storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/571

MSN 590 Lufthansa A359 F-WZFQ/D-AIXR, fifth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/590

MSN 598 China Southern Airlines A359 F-WWBW/B-xxxx, ferried TLS->TSN for cabin installation, painting and customer acceptance:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/598

MSN 604 Air China A359 F-WZGC/B-xxxx, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/604

Is there any time frame for when the QR A35Ks will be delivered?

audidudi · Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:32 pm

Latest movements for 23 February 2023:

MSN 561 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZNQ/B-005T/B-xxxx, eleventh test flight at TSN:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/561

MSN 604 Air China A359 F-WZGC/B-xxxx, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/604

audidudi · Sat Feb 25, 2023 7:39 am

Latest movement for 24 February 2023:

MSN 596 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZHJ/TC-LGH, delivered TLS->IST. #1 in February…#2 in 2023…#522 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/596

Chaostheory · Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:14 pm

audidudi wrote:
Latest movement for 24 February 2023:

MSN 596 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZHJ/TC-LGH, delivered TLS->IST. #1 in February…#2 in 2023…#522 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/596

Speaking recently to a former colleague now at TK, apparently all their 350s are plated at 280t MTOW with 195t zfw.

Solid 60t/14 hour aircraft they've got there.

audidudi · Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:27 pm

Latest movements for 28 February 2023:

MSN 409 Qatar Airways A35K F-WZND/A7-AOA, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/409

MSN 561 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZNQ/B-005T/B-32CZ, delivered TSN->PVG. #2 in February…#3 in 2023…#523 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/561

MSN 599 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZNT/9V-xxx, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/599

audidudi · Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:56 am

Latest movements for 1 March 2023:

MSN 575 Air China A359 F-WZHF/B-xxxx, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/575

MSN 595 Air China A359 F-WZNL/B-32DN, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/595

MSN 599 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZNT/9V-SJF, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/599

MSN 604 Air China A359 F-WZGC/B-xxxx, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/604

NZ321 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:47 pm

Is SJF an NPS 283t aircraft?

audidudi · Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:40 am

Latest movement for 2 March 2023:

MSN 599 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZNT/9V-SJF, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/599

kelual · Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:53 pm

Apparently abcdlist.nl isn't working, any info?

bspc · Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:00 pm

kelual wrote:
Apparently abcdlist.nl isn't working, any info?

Did you not read what it says right on the homepage?

eurotrader85 · Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:42 pm

bspc wrote:
kelual wrote:
Apparently abcdlist.nl isn't working, any info?

Did you not read what it says right on the homepage?

Link below

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1481997

audidudi · Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:41 am

Latest movements for 3 March 2023:

MSN 593 Starlux Airlines A359 F-WZNB/B-xxxxx, engines run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/593

MSN 610 Japan Airlines A35K F-WZFM/JA01WJ, spotted in full livery without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/610

audidudi · Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:33 pm

Latest movements for 4 March 2023:

MSN 600 Air Caraïbes A35K F-WZFF/F-Hxxx (finally confirmed to be for Air Caraïbes):

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/600

MSN 602 Asiana A359 F-WWXL/HL8522, spotted in full livery without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/602

MSN 622 Iberia A359 F-WZGQ/EC-xxx, spotted in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/622

DCA350 · Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:15 pm

Does anybody have the Lufthansa delivery list? Apparently they will be getting their A35Ks soon, so they must be swapping slots with existing A359 orders..

PM · Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:45 am

DCA350 wrote:
Does anybody have the Lufthansa delivery list? Apparently they will be getting their A35Ks soon, so they must be swapping slots with existing A359 orders..

Their next A359 (MSN 590) has already flown but it is not expected to be delivered until late 2023 or early 2024.

After that, they have 636, 637, 642, 646 and 663 - all A359s. How far advanced (if at all) construction is, I don't know. Could some or all of these be built as A351s with the 359s pushed further back?

audidudi · Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:16 pm

PM wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Does anybody have the Lufthansa delivery list? Apparently they will be getting their A35Ks soon, so they must be swapping slots with existing A359 orders..

Their next A359 (MSN 590) has already flown but it is not expected to be delivered until late 2023 or early 2024.
After that, they have 636, 637, 642, 646 and 663 - all A359s. How far advanced (if at all) construction is, I don't know. Could some or all of these be built as A351s with the 359s pushed further back?

Now that the site abcdlist.nl has closed down, where is the best place to track future production slots?

Articuno · Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:27 pm

audidudi wrote:
PM wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Does anybody have the Lufthansa delivery list? Apparently they will be getting their A35Ks soon, so they must be swapping slots with existing A359 orders..

Their next A359 (MSN 590) has already flown but it is not expected to be delivered until late 2023 or early 2024.
After that, they have 636, 637, 642, 646 and 663 - all A359s. How far advanced (if at all) construction is, I don't know. Could some or all of these be built as A351s with the 359s pushed further back?

Now that the site abcdlist.nl has closed down, where is the best place to track future production slots?

Time for aibflight to bring back the production list.

a2b7 · Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:16 pm

PM wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Does anybody have the Lufthansa delivery list? Apparently they will be getting their A35Ks soon, so they must be swapping slots with existing A359 orders..

Their next A359 (MSN 590) has already flown but it is not expected to be delivered until late 2023 or early 2024.

After that, they have 636, 637, 642, 646 and 663 - all A359s. How far advanced (if at all) construction is, I don't know. Could some or all of these be built as A351s with the 359s pushed further back?

I wonder where the idea that Lufthansa is getting their A35K so soon that they must be swapping slots comes from. According to European Airline Fleets, the first A35K is expected to be delivered in 2025, which corresponds to about 2 to 2.5 years from order to first delivery, which I find a normal timeframe.
Unfortunately abcdlist.nl has closed down, but if I am not mistaken, the highest MSN that already had its first flight is 604. At the current production rate of 6/month, I estimate that MSN 663 will be ready for first flight before end of January 2024 (delays due to supply chain issues with e.g. the interior notwithstanding).

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