ITA Airways News and Discussion - 2023

janders · Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:10 pm

Welcome to the ITA Airways thread - 2023 edition.

Please continue to post your news and discussions below.

Link to previous edition:
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TMccrury · Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:23 pm

I had booked a flight on ITA from FCO to NCE with a 10AMish departure out of FCO. Got an email and it had been moved to 17:30. They gladly refunded my money because the time frame didn't work. I then booked with LH for that segment. I was really looking forward to flying with ITA but it I not to be this time around.

mercure1 · Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:10 pm

First A320neo for ITA as part of its Airbus order

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlsCeuhWAAA ... name=large

DeltaMD95 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:23 am

mercure1 wrote:
First A320neo for ITA as part of its Airbus order

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlsCeuhWAAA ... name=large

Looks very sharp. Are the NEOs intended to replace the CEOs 1-for-1?

What are planned total numbers, fleet-wide by type?

nicode · Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:55 am

When the 221 are to be delivered to ITA ?

steman · Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:49 am

DeltaMD95 wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
First A320neo for ITA as part of its Airbus order

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlsCeuhWAAA ... name=large

Looks very sharp. Are the NEOs intended to replace the CEOs 1-for-1?

What are planned total numbers, fleet-wide by type?

They currently have 30 A320CEO in service and 23 A320NEO + 9 A321NEO on order.
Somewhere I´ve read that some or all the A321 will be the LR version, some of which will operate medium to long haul destinations in Middle East

steman · Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:52 am

nicode wrote:
When the 221 are to be delivered to ITA ?

According to informations from EAF website and italian aviation forums they will receive 5 A220-100 this year and the last 2 next year.

I wonder if the fleet plan and the current orders with Airbus and Lessors for all models will be confirmed, modified or outright dropped if and when Lufthansa
gets a stake in ITA.
LH might want to treat ITA like they do at Austrian: first bring your books in order and then you can buy new planes.
I hope that won´t be the case because the current fleet plan is really nice: A221, A223, A320/321NEO, A339, A359

ahj2000 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:13 pm

mercure1 wrote:
First A320neo for ITA as part of its Airbus order

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlsCeuhWAAA ... name=large

Is that an Austrian registration?

eicvd · Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:19 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
First A320neo for ITA as part of its Airbus order

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlsCeuhWAAA ... name=large

Is that an Austrian registration?

Yes but will be reregistered EI-IN*

stylo777 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:37 pm

So it seems like the first batch of 320neo's are ntu of S7 and leased from Avolon (thus the OE- registration).

In regards to the fleet plan and (if at all...) any LH involvement, I believe it would perfectly fit to the LH Group fleet. Except for the 339, all types are well known and part of the longterm strategy.
In fact, I even think that they would welcome the "outlier" (339) very much - on the one hand to evaluate the performance in the context of a potential replacement at 4Y, WK, SN; and on the other gain maintenance experience through LH Technik.

DeltaMD95 · Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:39 am

steman wrote:
nicode wrote:
When the 221 are to be delivered to ITA ?

According to informations from EAF website and italian aviation forums they will receive 5 A220-100 this year and the last 2 next year.

I wonder if the fleet plan and the current orders with Airbus and Lessors for all models will be confirmed, modified or outright dropped if and when Lufthansa
gets a stake in ITA.
LH might want to treat ITA like they do at Austrian: first bring your books in order and then you can buy new planes.
I hope that won´t be the case because the current fleet plan is really nice: A221, A223, A320/321NEO, A339, A359

Say what you will about ITA, but - A221, A223, A320/321NEO, A339, A359 - would be an absolute world class fleet if it ever comes to fruition.

fil87 · Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:14 am

I call Volare hotline yesterday night and was told they are in the process of extending the validity of all Volare cards which received the 1 year extension email in December 2022 - the update will be reflected in the Volare App by end of Jan.

By the way, I made a reservation using my Flying Blue miles and tried to add my Volare card - did not work. I called the FlyingBlue call center and they managed it: they removed the Flying Blue FF from the reservation and replaced it with my Volare Premium (SkyTeam Elite Plus) manually. Now, my reservation is showing some SkyTeam Elite Plus benefits (such as a second checked luggage for free), but strange enough lounge access is not showing as complimentary.

cybergus · Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:10 pm

fil87 wrote:
I call Volare hotline yesterday night and was told they are in the process of extending the validity of all Volare cards which received the 1 year extension email in December 2022 - the update will be reflected in the Volare App by end of Jan.

By the way, I made a reservation using my Flying Blue miles and tried to add my Volare card - did not work. I called the FlyingBlue call center and they managed it: they removed the Flying Blue FF from the reservation and replaced it with my Volare Premium (SkyTeam Elite Plus) manually. Now, my reservation is showing some SkyTeam Elite Plus benefits (such as a second checked luggage for free), but strange enough lounge access is not showing as complimentary.

I received the email as well. Fact is that they joined SkyTeam in a very unorthodox way. All the Elite benefits on other SkyTeam members are null. Flew on Air Europa back in June and they didn't recognize my Volare card, no status, no benefits...nothing. Just try to book a flight with Delta, Air France, Air Euopa, etc and find Volare in the options for FF...is not there (Some still show MileMiglia tho). If you are joining an alliance this is not the way of doing things.

My guess is that they notice that their FF worth nothing on 2022 so they are extending it with the hopes that they can offer benefits across the board with all other SkyTeam members.

fil87 · Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:17 pm

cybergus wrote:
fil87 wrote:
I call Volare hotline yesterday night and was told they are in the process of extending the validity of all Volare cards which received the 1 year extension email in December 2022 - the update will be reflected in the Volare App by end of Jan.

By the way, I made a reservation using my Flying Blue miles and tried to add my Volare card - did not work. I called the FlyingBlue call center and they managed it: they removed the Flying Blue FF from the reservation and replaced it with my Volare Premium (SkyTeam Elite Plus) manually. Now, my reservation is showing some SkyTeam Elite Plus benefits (such as a second checked luggage for free), but strange enough lounge access is not showing as complimentary.

I received the email as well. Fact is that they joined SkyTeam in a very unorthodox way. All the Elite benefits on other SkyTeam members are null. Flew on Air Europa back in June and they didn't recognize my Volare card, no status, no benefits...nothing. Just try to book a flight with Delta, Air France, Air Euopa, etc and find Volare in the options for FF...is not there (Some still show MileMiglia tho). If you are joining an alliance this is not the way of doing things.

My guess is that they notice that their FF worth nothing on 2022 so they are extending it with the hopes that they can offer benefits across the board with all other SkyTeam members.

Totally agreed. Advice: if you book Air France (cash or miles ticket), call the Flying Blue line afterwards. They will add your Volare card to the reservation manually (that is what they did with me yesterday).

LIPZ · Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:49 pm

ITA is launching daily service to Rio de Janeiro effective from 29OCT with A332

AZ672 FCO 2150 - 0605+1 GIG
AZ673 GIG 1545 - 0645+1 FCO

(Italian)
https://www.ita-airways.com/it_it/offer ... neiro.html

onwFan · Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:07 pm

cybergus wrote:
fil87 wrote:
I call Volare hotline yesterday night and was told they are in the process of extending the validity of all Volare cards which received the 1 year extension email in December 2022 - the update will be reflected in the Volare App by end of Jan.

By the way, I made a reservation using my Flying Blue miles and tried to add my Volare card - did not work. I called the FlyingBlue call center and they managed it: they removed the Flying Blue FF from the reservation and replaced it with my Volare Premium (SkyTeam Elite Plus) manually. Now, my reservation is showing some SkyTeam Elite Plus benefits (such as a second checked luggage for free), but strange enough lounge access is not showing as complimentary.

I received the email as well. Fact is that they joined SkyTeam in a very unorthodox way. All the Elite benefits on other SkyTeam members are null. Flew on Air Europa back in June and they didn't recognize my Volare card, no status, no benefits...nothing. Just try to book a flight with Delta, Air France, Air Euopa, etc and find Volare in the options for FF...is not there (Some still show MileMiglia tho). If you are joining an alliance this is not the way of doing things.

My guess is that they notice that their FF worth nothing on 2022 so they are extending it with the hopes that they can offer benefits across the board with all other SkyTeam members.

It won’t be needed. They joined SkyTeam just on a courtesy membership for a period of 1 year (I guess for the sake of continuity). They are just waiting to finalize the LH deal - once that’s finalized, they will just withdraw and join Star Alliance.

fil87 · Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:25 pm

onwFan wrote:
cybergus wrote:
fil87 wrote:
I call Volare hotline yesterday night and was told they are in the process of extending the validity of all Volare cards which received the 1 year extension email in December 2022 - the update will be reflected in the Volare App by end of Jan.

By the way, I made a reservation using my Flying Blue miles and tried to add my Volare card - did not work. I called the FlyingBlue call center and they managed it: they removed the Flying Blue FF from the reservation and replaced it with my Volare Premium (SkyTeam Elite Plus) manually. Now, my reservation is showing some SkyTeam Elite Plus benefits (such as a second checked luggage for free), but strange enough lounge access is not showing as complimentary.

I received the email as well. Fact is that they joined SkyTeam in a very unorthodox way. All the Elite benefits on other SkyTeam members are null. Flew on Air Europa back in June and they didn't recognize my Volare card, no status, no benefits...nothing. Just try to book a flight with Delta, Air France, Air Euopa, etc and find Volare in the options for FF...is not there (Some still show MileMiglia tho). If you are joining an alliance this is not the way of doing things.

My guess is that they notice that their FF worth nothing on 2022 so they are extending it with the hopes that they can offer benefits across the board with all other SkyTeam members.

It won’t be needed. They joined SkyTeam just on a courtesy membership for a period of 1 year (I guess for the sake of continuity). They are just waiting to finalize the LH deal - once that’s finalized, they will just withdraw and join Star Alliance.

I would not be so confident. This saga with LH has been ongoing for years now, but somehow never materialized.

ContinentalEWR · Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:35 pm

LIPZ wrote:
ITA is launching daily service to Rio de Janeiro effective from 29OCT with A332

AZ672 FCO 2150 - 0605+1 GIG
AZ673 GIG 1545 - 0645+1 FCO

(Italian)
https://www.ita-airways.com/it_it/offer ... neiro.html

Resumption of an AZ route.

cybergus · Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 pm

onwFan wrote:
cybergus wrote:
fil87 wrote:
I call Volare hotline yesterday night and was told they are in the process of extending the validity of all Volare cards which received the 1 year extension email in December 2022 - the update will be reflected in the Volare App by end of Jan.

By the way, I made a reservation using my Flying Blue miles and tried to add my Volare card - did not work. I called the FlyingBlue call center and they managed it: they removed the Flying Blue FF from the reservation and replaced it with my Volare Premium (SkyTeam Elite Plus) manually. Now, my reservation is showing some SkyTeam Elite Plus benefits (such as a second checked luggage for free), but strange enough lounge access is not showing as complimentary.

I received the email as well. Fact is that they joined SkyTeam in a very unorthodox way. All the Elite benefits on other SkyTeam members are null. Flew on Air Europa back in June and they didn't recognize my Volare card, no status, no benefits...nothing. Just try to book a flight with Delta, Air France, Air Euopa, etc and find Volare in the options for FF...is not there (Some still show MileMiglia tho). If you are joining an alliance this is not the way of doing things.

My guess is that they notice that their FF worth nothing on 2022 so they are extending it with the hopes that they can offer benefits across the board with all other SkyTeam members.

It won’t be needed. They joined SkyTeam just on a courtesy membership for a period of 1 year (I guess for the sake of continuity). They are just waiting to finalize the LH deal - once that’s finalized, they will just withdraw and join Star Alliance.

Understand what you are saying. However:

1.- The LH deal seems to be an on and off situation. Both parties keep bouncing back to each other, and even in that scenario, implementing a whole system into the alliance matrix can take years. So I don't expect that they will join *A as soon as they are part of the LH playground.
2.- When an airline joins an alliance they are part of the reciprocal benefits. This charade their pulled of admitting ITA as a courtesy has been dreadful. It does nothing but to put a bad image on SkyTeam where there's a member that does nothing but to add a pretty logo to their website. They should have treated their membership either as a new one or as they did with Aeroflot. Just treat it as a suspended member until they get their ducks in a row.

onwFan · Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:13 pm

cybergus wrote:
onwFan wrote:
cybergus wrote:

I received the email as well. Fact is that they joined SkyTeam in a very unorthodox way. All the Elite benefits on other SkyTeam members are null. Flew on Air Europa back in June and they didn't recognize my Volare card, no status, no benefits...nothing. Just try to book a flight with Delta, Air France, Air Euopa, etc and find Volare in the options for FF...is not there (Some still show MileMiglia tho). If you are joining an alliance this is not the way of doing things.

My guess is that they notice that their FF worth nothing on 2022 so they are extending it with the hopes that they can offer benefits across the board with all other SkyTeam members.

It won’t be needed. They joined SkyTeam just on a courtesy membership for a period of 1 year (I guess for the sake of continuity). They are just waiting to finalize the LH deal - once that’s finalized, they will just withdraw and join Star Alliance.

Understand what you are saying. However:

1.- The LH deal seems to be an on and off situation. Both parties keep bouncing back to each other, and even in that scenario, implementing a whole system into the alliance matrix can take years. So I don't expect that they will join *A as soon as they are part of the LH playground.
2.- When an airline joins an alliance they are part of the reciprocal benefits. This charade their pulled of admitting ITA as a courtesy has been dreadful. It does nothing but to put a bad image on SkyTeam where there's a member that does nothing but to add a pretty logo to their website. They should have treated their membership either as a new one or as they did with Aeroflot. Just treat it as a suspended member until they get their ducks in a row.

Totally agree on that. Either they join fully, or not join. It is indeed a joke if you are a full member and no FF benefits with other members exist. It is surprising this was even allowed to happen.

777 · Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:25 pm

LH has just presented a LOI to acquire a minority stake in ITA Airways.

https://www.agenzianova.com/en/news/luf ... a-airways/

The group Lufthansa announced that it has submitted a letter of intent to the Ministry of Economy and Finance with the offer for entry into Italy Airways.

The company aims to initially acquire a minority stake, agreeing options to purchase the remaining shares at a later stage. Should the mission statement be signed by both parties, further negotiations and talks will be conducted in a manner exclusive right.

In particular, the talks will focus on the structure of a possible participation, on the commercial and operational integration of Ita Airways into Lufthansa and on the resulting synergies. Should a contract be concluded, the implementation of the transaction will be subject to the approval of the competent authorities.

Update: now on LH website also
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/newsr ... n-ita.html

piedmontf284000 · Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:32 pm

777 wrote:
LH has just presented a LOI to acquire a minority stake in ITA Airways.

https://www.agenzianova.com/en/news/luf ... a-airways/

The group Lufthansa announced that it has submitted a letter of intent to the Ministry of Economy and Finance with the offer for entry into Italy Airways.

The company aims to initially acquire a minority stake, agreeing options to purchase the remaining shares at a later stage. Should the mission statement be signed by both parties, further negotiations and talks will be conducted in a manner exclusive right.

In particular, the talks will focus on the structure of a possible participation, on the commercial and operational integration of Ita Airways into Lufthansa and on the resulting synergies. Should a contract be concluded, the implementation of the transaction will be subject to the approval of the competent authorities.

Update: now on LH website also
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/newsr ... n-ita.html

The Italian government has confirmed LOI with LF taking a 40% stake in company with further investment down the road. Price of sale looks to be between €200-300.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/i ... 023-01-27/

davidjohnson6 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:40 pm

Reports that if Lufthansa buys ITA, it wants to bring back the Alitalia brand for long-haul flights

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/bringt-lu ... ke-zurueck

dcajet · Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:24 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Reports that if Lufthansa buys ITA, it wants to bring back the Alitalia brand for long-haul flights
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/bringt-lu ... ke-zurueck

Just when you thought the Germans would bring some predictability to this mess...

konrad · Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:32 pm

LuftITALIA would be more fitting.

davidjohnson6 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:34 pm

konrad wrote:
LuftITALIA would be more fitting.

Already been tried
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_Italia

AMP44 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:41 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Reports that if Lufthansa buys ITA, it wants to bring back the Alitalia brand for long-haul flights
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/bringt-lu ... ke-zurueck

Well, they have to decide how to use the Alitalia brand name if they don't want it their rights revoked for lack of use. Using it on long-haul flights makes sense, as it's a well known airline brand abroad (regardless of the financial chaos of the airline). Previously it was reported they would also want to use the Alitalia brand on short haul premium routes, but who knows.

... or they could lease the name to a small flying club, like Swiss is doing to keep the Swissair brand rights.

mercure1 · Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:19 pm

ITA to return 54 weekly LHR slots leased from Etihad effective S23 schedule season

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... um=twitter

davidjohnson6 · Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:27 pm

So how does ITA plan to fly to LHR during S23 ? Or will they just rebook everyone to BA (or even Easyjet/Jet2/Ryanair/Vueling/Wizzair out of LGW/LTN/STN) ?

spannacomo · Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:17 pm

according to newspapers articles appeared a couple of months ago they are expected to run out of money at the end of 2023 - unless LH decides to put some more money in - so I guess they are trying to cut at least unnecessary expenses?

onwFan · Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:01 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
So how does ITA plan to fly to LHR during S23 ? Or will they just rebook everyone to BA (or even Easyjet/Jet2/Ryanair/Vueling/Wizzair out of LGW/LTN/STN) ?

If ITA does get acquired by LH, I guess some of the group’s portfolio of slots can be re-distributed to FCO and LIN for AZ.

FlyingSicilian · Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:01 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Reports that if Lufthansa buys ITA, it wants to bring back the Alitalia brand for long-haul flights
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/bringt-lu ... ke-zurueck

Alitalia is a better name and most pax don't know or don't care about past buffoonery. There are other challanges besides the name to sort out.

zkojq · Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:42 pm

The Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Moderator of the Church Of Scotland recently used a chartered ITA Airways A350 to do a peace pilgrimage to South Sudan.

Day 3 - Ecumenical Pilgrimage for Peace to South Sudan

Day 3 - Ecumenical Pilgrimage for Peace to South Sudan

EI-IFF was the aircraft in question.

https://www.radarbox.com/data/flights/AZ4000

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EII ... /FZAA/HJJJ

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EII ... /HJJJ/LIRF

Coma993 · Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:15 am

Does anyone know when will ITA start using their A320neo? They have a few already delivered, on Austrian registration, and some were recently re-registered to the usual Irish one.

Airdolomiti · Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:09 pm

Looks like it could be tomorrow (20/1), FR24 is currently displaying AZ1781 FCO-PMO as being operated with the NEO.

Flyer92122 · Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:35 pm

The Pope was in Premium Economy? I assume just for the photo shoot and whatever demonstration they seem to be doing?

dcajet · Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:42 pm

Flyer92122 wrote:
The Pope was in Premium Economy? I assume just for the photo shoot and whatever demonstration they seem to be doing?

The Pope travels in the first class/business class cabin, where a bed is usually added for long haul flights. He usually goes to the Y or Y+ cabins to hold a press conference or an off the record chat with the press corps that travel with him on the Vatican charter.

dcajet · Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:44 pm

Airdolomiti wrote:
Looks like it could be tomorrow (20/1), FR24 is currently displaying AZ1781 FCO-PMO as being operated with the NEO.

Indeed, as per ITA's tweet, with pictures included.

https://twitter.com/ITAAirways/status/1 ... 6515609629

LIPZ · Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:21 am

A bit late, eff from 01JUN23 ITA will reinstate 3rd daily flight between FCO and JFK for a schedule as follows :

AZ602 FCO 0915 - 1300 JFK
AZ603 JFK 1805 - 0840 FCO
with A330

777 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:27 am

ITA is going to start today the migration from Sabre to Amadeus PSS (same PSS used by LHG).

ContinentalEWR · Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:06 pm

Airdolomiti wrote:
Looks like it could be tomorrow (20/1), FR24 is currently displaying AZ1781 FCO-PMO as being operated with the NEO.

It looks like during March 2023, the ITA (AZ) A320-NEO will operate the following routes:

FCO-Bari
FCO-Bologna
FCO-Brindisi
FCO-Brussels
FCO-Catania
FCO-Genova
FCO-Lamezia Terme
FCO-Linate
FCO-Palermo
FCO-CDG
FCO-Torino
FCO-VCE

From June, the NEO will also fly FCO-ATH.

emre787 · Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:12 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
Airdolomiti wrote:
Looks like it could be tomorrow (20/1), FR24 is currently displaying AZ1781 FCO-PMO as being operated with the NEO.

It looks like during March 2023, the ITA (AZ) A320-NEO will operate the following routes:

FCO-Bari
FCO-Bologna
FCO-Brindisi
FCO-Brussels
FCO-Catania
FCO-Genova
FCO-Lamezia Terme
FCO-Linate
FCO-Palermo
FCO-CDG
FCO-Torino
FCO-VCE

From June, the NEO will also fly FCO-ATH.

And here is the source for those interested... https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230221-az32n

PITFlyer330 · Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:15 pm

ITA airways starting third FCO JFK https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230223-azjfk

a lot more flights from AA DL and others this year

ContinentalEWR · Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:47 pm

PITFlyer330 wrote:
ITA airways starting third FCO JFK https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230223-azjfk

a lot more flights from AA DL and others this year

DL is 3 x daily this summer, AA adding a second flight between July and August, and UA added a second daily flight in 2022 that will be back this year and extended through to October. Norse Atlantic also launching JFK-FCO, or re-launching, depending on one's point of view. So all in all, NY Area to FCO at peak will be 11 Daily Flights.

oldannyboy · Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:22 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
ITA airways starting third FCO JFK https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230223-azjfk

a lot more flights from AA DL and others this year

DL is 3 x daily this summer, AA adding a second flight between July and August, and UA added a second daily flight in 2022 that will be back this year and extended through to October. Norse Atlantic also launching JFK-FCO, or re-launching, depending on one's point of view. So all in all, NY Area to FCO at peak will be 11 Daily Flights.

Wow, that is absolutely colossal.
I remember sometime around the late '80s there were something like 3 daily flights, one PA, one TW and one AZ (albeit, all flown by 747s). How things have changed!

ContinentalEWR · Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:35 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
ITA airways starting third FCO JFK https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230223-azjfk

a lot more flights from AA DL and others this year

DL is 3 x daily this summer, AA adding a second flight between July and August, and UA added a second daily flight in 2022 that will be back this year and extended through to October. Norse Atlantic also launching JFK-FCO, or re-launching, depending on one's point of view. So all in all, NY Area to FCO at peak will be 11 Daily Flights.

Wow, that is absolutely colossal.
I remember sometime around the late '80s there were something like 3 daily flights, one PA, one TW and one AZ (albeit, all flown by 747s). How things have changed!

Yup. TWA 840, AZ 611, and PA 110 were the flight numbers from JFK to FCO. The AZ and TW flights usually departed between 6pm and 6:45pm. The PA flight, I don't remember exactly.

The aircraft flying the Summer 2023 frequencies are:

DL (B767-300ER, A330-300) JFK
UA (B787-10, B777-200ER) EWR
AA (B777-200ER) JFK
AZ (A350-900, A330-200) JFK
Norse Atlantic (B787-9) JFK

oldannyboy · Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:03 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

DL is 3 x daily this summer, AA adding a second flight between July and August, and UA added a second daily flight in 2022 that will be back this year and extended through to October. Norse Atlantic also launching JFK-FCO, or re-launching, depending on one's point of view. So all in all, NY Area to FCO at peak will be 11 Daily Flights.

Wow, that is absolutely colossal.
I remember sometime around the late '80s there were something like 3 daily flights, one PA, one TW and one AZ (albeit, all flown by 747s). How things have changed!

Yup. TWA 840, AZ 611, and PA 110 were the flight numbers from JFK to FCO. The AZ and TW flights usually departed between 6pm and 6:45pm. The PA flight, I don't remember exactly.

The aircraft flying the Summer 2023 frequencies are:

DL (B767-300ER, A330-300) JFK
UA (B787-10, B777-200ER) EWR
AA (B777-200ER) JFK
AZ (A350-900, A330-200) JFK
Norse Atlantic (B787-9) JFK

Yep man, TW 840, PA 110 (...also via Nice sometimes??) and of course AZ 610. Good memories.
Also, the occasional Tower Air 747....

Back to ITA...someone knows which rotations are to operate the new A350 to JFK?

BobRoss · Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:07 pm

Just a general comment here, but I flew ITA last week LHR-FCO. I was surprised to see the cabin crew still wearing their old Alitalia uniforms, not that I'm complaining. They were very friendly and welcoming. Flight was great. I'd love to see the Alitalia name be re-adopted, but the blue livery is great.

ContinentalEWR · Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:12 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:

Wow, that is absolutely colossal.
I remember sometime around the late '80s there were something like 3 daily flights, one PA, one TW and one AZ (albeit, all flown by 747s). How things have changed!

Yup. TWA 840, AZ 611, and PA 110 were the flight numbers from JFK to FCO. The AZ and TW flights usually departed between 6pm and 6:45pm. The PA flight, I don't remember exactly.

The aircraft flying the Summer 2023 frequencies are:

DL (B767-300ER, A330-300) JFK
UA (B787-10, B777-200ER) EWR
AA (B777-200ER) JFK
AZ (A350-900, A330-200) JFK
Norse Atlantic (B787-9) JFK

Yep man, TW 840, PA 110 (...also via Nice sometimes??) and of course AZ 610. Good memories.
Also, the occasional Tower Air 747....

Back to ITA...someone knows which rotations are to operate the new A350 to JFK?

AZ 609/608 will be flown on the 359. The other two flights on the 332.

ContinentalEWR · Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:14 pm

BobRoss wrote:
Just a general comment here, but I flew ITA last week LHR-FCO. I was surprised to see the cabin crew still wearing their old Alitalia uniforms, not that I'm complaining. They were very friendly and welcoming. Flight was great. I'd love to see the Alitalia name be re-adopted, but the blue livery is great.

A lot of ground staff also continue to wear the AZ uniform and plenty of service items on board are also still branded as AZ.

Rumor is that LH wants to revive the AZ brand, though what that means exactly remains to be seen. The ITA blue livery is gorgeous. The logo for ITA, not so much.

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