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Welcome to 2023.

100th E175, N304KM, being delivered to Envoy.
Sao Jose dos Campos SBSJ > Manaus SBEG > Fort Lauderdale KFLL (3,800 nm)
Second leg:
https://twitter.com/CaptRicWilson/statu ... 8p7cx4yafQ

Looks like at least two were taken delivery of? (N303DD as well.)

https://twitter.com/CaptRicWilson/statu ... 8p7cx4yafQ

I think it is now safe to say that the 15 E170's are coming from Republic Airlines (YX).

BoeingG wrote:

Welcome to 2023.

100th E175, N304KM, being delivered to Envoy.
Sao Jose dos Campos SBSJ > Manaus SBEG > Fort Lauderdale KFLL (3,800 nm)
Second leg:
https://twitter.com/CaptRicWilson/statu ... 8p7cx4yafQ

Looks like at least two were taken delivery of? (N303DD as well.)

https://twitter.com/CaptRicWilson/statu ... 8p7cx4yafQ

303, 304, and 305 were delivered. The last of the ERJ-175 orders.

Bear242 wrote:

I think it is now safe to say that the 15 E170's are coming from Republic Airlines (YX).

Bingo.

Bear242 wrote:

I think it is now safe to say that the 15 E170's are coming from Republic Airlines (YX).

The shrinkage continues for them. And their social media posted something regarding their "ever expanding fleet" a few weeks ago

Bear242 wrote:

I think it is now safe to say that the 15 E170's are coming from Republic Airlines (YX).

Is YX still going to transfer more ex-DL E170s to AA (YX) operations? I thought they were supposed to have 16 by the end of 2022, and I think they only have 8.

American is dropping Long Beach CA, Columbus GA, and Del Rio TX. Are UA and DL dropping small cities as well?
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-cuts-us-cities/

capejet wrote:

American is dropping Long Beach CA, Columbus GA, and Del Rio TX. Are UA and DL dropping small cities as well?
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-cuts-us-cities/

Oh yeah delta did much of it's purging already but everyone is purging small cities these days

capejet wrote:

American is dropping Long Beach CA, Columbus GA, and Del Rio TX. Are UA and DL dropping small cities as well?
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-cuts-us-cities/

DRT was a surprise to me. I've taken that flight twice and it was pretty full at the time. This was E140 days though.

n797mx wrote:

capejet wrote:

American is dropping Long Beach CA, Columbus GA, and Del Rio TX. Are UA and DL dropping small cities as well?
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-cuts-us-cities/

DRT was a surprise to me. I've taken that flight twice and it was pretty full at the time. This was E140 days though.

Long Beach is surprising to me. I was under the understanding that the PHX-LGB did well.
Was DRT mostly gov't/ICE type traffic or was it low-fare VFR types?

ahj2000 wrote:

n797mx wrote:

capejet wrote:

American is dropping Long Beach CA, Columbus GA, and Del Rio TX. Are UA and DL dropping small cities as well?
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-cuts-us-cities/

DRT was a surprise to me. I've taken that flight twice and it was pretty full at the time. This was E140 days though.

Long Beach is surprising to me. I was under the understanding that the PHX-LGB did well.
Was DRT mostly gov't/ICE type traffic or was it low-fare VFR types?

LGB does well Friday-Sunday. Its the rest of the week that's killing that route. It's also a Mesa route, which might explain some things.
DRT does a lot of Gov/ICE traffic. It probably made sense on the ER4, but once they were retired I'm sure things changed. Looking at tomorrow the morning flight is only booked to 12 on a CR7.

ahj2000 wrote:

Long Beach is surprising to me. I was under the understanding that the PHX-LGB did well.
Was DRT mostly gov't/ICE type traffic or was it low-fare VFR types?

Considering how LGB treats carriers that operate there, it's surprising that AA didn't pull out sooner.

alasizon wrote:

n797mx wrote:

ahj2000 wrote:

Long Beach is surprising to me. I was under the understanding that the PHX-LGB did well.
Was DRT mostly gov't/ICE type traffic or was it low-fare VFR types?

LGB does well Friday-Sunday. Its the rest of the week that's killing that route. It's also a Mesa route, which might explain some things.
DRT does a lot of Gov/ICE traffic. It probably made sense on the ER4, but once they were retired I'm sure things changed. Looking at tomorrow the morning flight is only booked to 12 on a CR7.

LGB just went back to Mesa, for a while it was on SkyWest.

Reality is yield from LGB is just garbage and the airport isn't a friendly group to deal with given their curfew and very small percentage of exceptions granted for late flights.

There were never any late-night departures pushing curfew on Mesa that would have made that argument relevant. Southwest Airlines serving PHX is the reason.

alasizon wrote:

USTraveler wrote:

alasizon wrote:

LGB just went back to Mesa, for a while it was on SkyWest.

Reality is yield from LGB is just garbage and the airport isn't a friendly group to deal with given their curfew and very small percentage of exceptions granted for late flights.

There were never any late-night departures pushing curfew on Mesa that would have made that argument relevant. Southwest Airlines serving PHX is the reason.

It isn't departures from LGB that were the curfew issue, it was the arrivals into LGB.

Care to demonstrate how many Mesa (operating as American Eagle) had? They weren't exactly JetBlue.

alasizon wrote:

n797mx wrote:

ahj2000 wrote:

Long Beach is surprising to me. I was under the understanding that the PHX-LGB did well.
Was DRT mostly gov't/ICE type traffic or was it low-fare VFR types?

LGB does well Friday-Sunday. Its the rest of the week that's killing that route. It's also a Mesa route, which might explain some things.
DRT does a lot of Gov/ICE traffic. It probably made sense on the ER4, but once they were retired I'm sure things changed. Looking at tomorrow the morning flight is only booked to 12 on a CR7.

LGB just went back to Mesa, for a while it was on SkyWest.

Reality is yield from LGB is just garbage and the airport isn't a friendly group to deal with given their curfew and very small percentage of exceptions granted for late flights.

No, for a while it was a mix, but it was never just Skywest or Mesa, either or... And they didn't "just go back" to Mesa! stop spreading mis-information.

alasizon wrote:

USTraveler wrote:

alasizon wrote:

It isn't departures from LGB that were the curfew issue, it was the arrivals into LGB.

Care to demonstrate how many Mesa (operating as American Eagle) had? They weren't exactly JetBlue.

Lets start with the airport filing criminal charges against Mesa.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429589

Then, lets add Mesa pleading no contest to 14 violations of the noise curfew
https://www.presstelegram.com/2020/03/0 ... iolations/

LGB had at least five overnight delays due to curfew last quarter and 1 cancellation (which was due to curfew).

USTraveler wrote:

No, for a while it was a mix, but it was never just Skywest or Mesa, either or... And they didn't "just go back" to Mesa! stop spreading mis-information.

December 16th was when PHX-LGB went back to strictly Mesa flying, so yes, the market did just go back to entirely Mesa. All future PHX-LGB flying was also loaded and planned on Mesa only.

Likewise, the overnight (the curfew flight in question) has mostly been not Mesa. Initially that was intentional to relieve some of the governmental pressure (same reason why AA also moved the PHX-LGB overnight to be a 6PM departure - which of course also hurt yields)

Thanks for doing all that dirty work and looking it up.

But can you prove that AA is dropping this flight due to the supposed night curfew (noise) restrictions?

N921NC from Marana to Abilene https://fr24.com/N921NC/2edd10a6

Pretty crazy to see how fast the E175 has entered the PHX market. Looking on FR24, it appears most regional markets out west are now getting a mix of 175s and CRJs with only a few holdouts left. After so many years of the regional ops at PHX being CRJ only, kind of nice to see a little variety now.

According to a tweet by Ishrion Aviation (@IshrionA) and confirmed by VP of Flight Operations, Captain Ric Wilson (@CaptRicWilson), Envoy will stop flying all E145 aircraft after May 4.

https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/161 ... e-tql6X9Rw

I guess this means the Air Wisconsin CR2s will be coming on by then.

N664MS officially transfered to Piedmont today:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N66 ... /KORD/KRIC

N855AE, N856AE, N857AE, and N858AE were removed from Envoy's Opspec today.

Last year there was discussion that PSA was going to add a few seats to its CR9s.

I haven't seen any recent updates, so is this still a thing or not?

arc727 wrote:

Last year there was discussion that PSA was going to add a few seats to its CR9s.

I haven't seen any recent updates, so is this still a thing or not?

I believe it’s related to the Mesa CR9s with a lot of seats exiting the AA fleet. So when that happens in March or so is when the refit at PSA can happen.

n797mx wrote:

N855AE, N856AE, N857AE, and N858AE were removed from Envoy's Opspec today.

Sold to EIC Aircraft Leasing (like the others).

MQ E145 N679AE ferried from ORD to ALB ON 1/4 for transfer to PT.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N679AE

American Eagle through Mesa has 7-9 CRJ900's parked at MDH-Carbondale, Illinois.

I am curious if those CR9's will be deployed to the United side and depart MDH, whether in new paint or to be redeployed?

Does anyone if able to comment, have information if those CR9's at MDH will be leaving Carbondale for United?

Alex

Envoy completed installation of in seat power on all ERJ-175s the other day.

YX9985 from Louisville to Abilene https://fr24.com/RPA9985/2f081f9d
Another E170 for Envoy

Bear242 wrote:

YX9985 from Louisville to Abilene https://fr24.com/RPA9985/2f081f9d
Another E170 for Envoy

Looks like it quite quickly returned to SDF.

YX9985 from Louisville to Abilene https://fr24.com/RPA9985/2f0f3098
After a maintenance return to SDF aircraft is finally on it's way to Envoy 2 days later.

Bear242 wrote:

YX9985 from Louisville to Abilene https://fr24.com/RPA9985/2f0f3098
After a maintenance return to SDF aircraft is finally on it's way to Envoy 2 days later.

Any idea what the maintenance item was?

Bear242 wrote:

YX9985 from Louisville to Abilene https://fr24.com/RPA9985/2f081f9d
Another E170 for Envoy

N633RW

Whatever happened to the transfer of 170s within Republic from DCI to AE?

Long-time lurker, first-time poster. Does anyone know how many 65+ pax jets are parked in the Desert? Seems like quite a few CR7's and E-170's are currently parked. Are those planes still counted in AA's Fleet count from their 4th summary? If so, with the current Pilot shortage, should we expect them back for the summer?

TonyClifton wrote:

Whatever happened to the transfer of 170s within Republic from DCI to AE?

These transfers are all ex-UA 170’s. Which are all being replaced by brand new 175SC’s. The DL170’s had started to be converted prior to Covid but then were put on hold. with the shortage of Captains at Republic, there is no rush to convert the remaining 170’s currently when they even have 175’s parked.

N631RW has ferried to FTW, presumably for paint.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ENY ... /KABI/KFTW

MQ E145 N619AE is en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N619AE

What’s the deal with the E145 at DFW? I thought that fleet was completely removed from DFW but the CMI-DFW flight still
Shows E45. Is this the only route out of DFW using it?

CIDFlyer wrote:

What’s the deal with the E145 at DFW? I thought that fleet was completely removed from DFW but the CMI-DFW flight still
Shows E45. Is this the only route out of DFW using it?

I’m not sure but I think this may be something of a one-off. There haven’t been any regular -145s at DFW for about a month or so now, but there are some strays now and then. The aircraft operating CMI-DFW (N661JA) is only running that route back and forth for several days, so it could be just an aircraft shortage issue. Given that CMI is close to Chicago and already has service to ORD, it’s probably easy to shift this aircraft back into the standard ORD schedule once some CRJs or 175s free up for the DFW service.

CIDFlyer wrote:

What’s the deal with the E145 at DFW? I thought that fleet was completely removed from DFW but the CMI-DFW flight still
Shows E45. Is this the only route out of DFW using it?

Envoy still has 29 E-145s remaining in the fleet. While they have been retiring them at a rapid rate, the surviving E-145s probably will be sent to DFW so they can continue to fly feeder flights from the smaller Texas cities they currently serve. Air Wisconsin is in the process of replacing Envoy out of ORD for American Eagle's 50-seat flying from that hub.

FLALEFTY wrote:

CIDFlyer wrote:

What’s the deal with the E145 at DFW? I thought that fleet was completely removed from DFW but the CMI-DFW flight still
Shows E45. Is this the only route out of DFW using it?

Envoy still has 29 E-145s remaining in the fleet. While they have been retiring them at a rapid rate, the surviving E-145s probably will be sent to DFW so they can continue to fly feeder flights from the smaller Texas cities they currently serve. Air Wisconsin is in the process of replacing Envoy out of ORD for American Eagle's 50-seat flying from that hub.

The E-145s have been completely phased out of all of the Texas markets. CIDFlyer is correct - CMI-DFW is the only DFW Eagle route on the E-145. They have been replaced in Texas as follows:

ABI: all E75L
ACT: all CR7
AMA: mix of A319 mainline, CR7, and CR9
BPT: all CR7
BRO: all E75L
CLL: all CR7
CRP: mix of CR7 and E75L
DRT: all CR7 (but service ending 4/3)
ELP: mostly mainline but an occasional CR9 or E75L
GGG: all CR7
GRK: mix of CR7, CR9, and E75L
HOU: mix of CR9 and E75L
HRL: all E75L
LBB: mix of A319 mainline, CR7, and CR9
LRD: all CR7
MAF: mix of CR7, CR9, and E75L
MFE: now all mainline, mostly 738s
SJT: mix of CR7 and E75L
SPS: all CR7
TXK: all CR7
TYR: all CR7

For some of the smaller markets, the upgauge is a mixed blessing: It brings an F cabin to markets that were long deprived of it, but the passenger volumes don't justify the same number of departures they had on the -145. Many places have seen their 5-7 daily departures reduced to 2-4 per day.

DFWGlobeTrotter wrote:

The E-145s have been completely phased out of all of the Texas markets. CIDFlyer is correct - CMI-DFW is the only DFW Eagle route on the E-145. They have been replaced in Texas as follows:

I wonder how they'll work that route's aircraft rotation though: Would AA realistically have one ERJ just flying DFW-CMI and return with no backups or other routes to rotate it to in DFW?