Gulfstream500 wrote:

Looking at data on a spreadsheet I found (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1167450292), it looks like CRJ200 has really dwindled down at just 25 daily flights, all of which are at MSP, DTW, and SLC, and it is mostly if not all (?) EAS flying. Anyone know if there's an official retirement date for the CRJ at this point, and what will happen to those EAS markets at that time?

9E / Endeavor CR2 flying which is all under capacity-purchase agreement is in the final staged of winding-down.
9E MSP CR2 ended in December 2022
9E DTW CR2 ended last week, in March 2023
9E ATL CR2 flying is done in early/mid May 2023 (don't remember the date off the top of my head

After that point, the only remaining CR2 flying in the DL network for the immediate near-term will be OO / Skywest operated EAS flying out of DTW, MSP, & SLC.
OO / Skywest is the carrier that was awarded the EAS contract, not Delta.

Its unclear exactly what will happen, but DL has stated that it intends to have a "premium cabin/product" on all DL-branded flights.
Nothing has been officially communicated yet on the longer-term plan for the EAS flying into DL hubs but the most likely scenario is the following -

- The EAS flying transitions to the Skywest charters side of the house, again becoming a codeshare agreement, and operating their house colors

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

Gulfstream500 wrote:

Looking at data on a spreadsheet I found (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1167450292), it looks like CRJ200 has really dwindled down at just 25 daily flights, all of which are at MSP, DTW, and SLC, and it is mostly if not all (?) EAS flying. Anyone know if there's an official retirement date for the CRJ at this point, and what will happen to those EAS markets at that time?

9E / Endeavor CR2 flying which is all under capacity-purchase agreement is in the final staged of winding-down.
9E MSP CR2 ended in December 2022
9E DTW CR2 ended last week, in March 2023
9E ATL CR2 flying is done in early/mid May 2023 (don't remember the date off the top of my head

After that point, the only remaining CR2 flying in the DL network for the immediate near-term will be OO / Skywest operated EAS flying out of DTW, MSP, & SLC.
OO / Skywest is the carrier that was awarded the EAS contract, not Delta.

Its unclear exactly what will happen, but DL has stated that it intends to have a "premium cabin/product" on all DL-branded flights.
Nothing has been officially communicated yet on the longer-term plan for the EAS flying into DL hubs but the most likely scenario is the following -

- The EAS flying transitions to the Skywest charters side of the house, again becoming a codeshare agreement, and operating their house colors

or possibly start flying to one of UA's airports for codeshare.

SLCaviation wrote:

Gulfstream500 wrote:

Looking at data on a spreadsheet I found (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1167450292), it looks like CRJ200 has really dwindled down at just 25 daily flights, all of which are at MSP, DTW, and SLC, and it is mostly if not all (?) EAS flying. Anyone know if there's an official retirement date for the CRJ at this point, and what will happen to those EAS markets at that time?

SLC-SGU/CPR aren’t EAS, but both are cr2… The spreadsheet is also missing SLC-WYS/TWF which adds 3 more crj-200 flights. SGU is 4x daily Crj-900 currently, not sure why it goes back to the crj-200.

SGU isn't EAS but it is a pro-rate or "at-risk" route for SkyWest. It has been showing CR2 until closer in; until about a month or two out, then consistently changes to CR9. I'd expect that to continue.

n515cr wrote:

73R 3958 still showing a ferry ATL-VQQ later today
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-MCI 3/14
223 8314 to enter service 3/15

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction)

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 4/33 complete
In mod: 3959
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)
Entering mod: 3958?

75H: 10/15 complete
RTS: 5635 3/13
In mods: 5635, 5642
Entering mod: 5647 cancelled

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

73R 3958 still showing a ferry ATL-VQQ today
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-MCI today
223 8314 to enter service 3/15
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction)

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)
Entering mod: 3958?

75H: 11/15 complete
In mods: 5635
Entering mod: 5647 3/14

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

MIflyer12 wrote:

FF630 wrote:

I also remember when ATL-DAB used the 752 (now it's 738s and 739s). It was always a shocker to see those big planes at small DAB.

DAB got some 752s for race dates and heavy Spring Break dates but mostly it was MD-88s in the early 2010s. It was one of the early upgauge test routes from 7x CR7s, actually.

DAB was fairly 752-heavy when 25L/7R was repaved around 2011-12 IIRC, but then started seeing them off and on later in the decade. I actually had a 739 flight in 2016 upgauged to a 757 a few weeks before the flight.

Can you expand more on the upgauge test route program (i.e., which cities were used, which types, which stuck/didn't stick)?

A DL B717, N925AT, ship number 9574 suffered a major fuel leak from the right wing taking off from 36C at KCLT yesterday on March 14th, forcing a return to KCLT.

Source: https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/delta-boeing-717-leaks-fuel-following-charlotte-departure/

n515cr wrote:

73R 3958 still showing a ferry ATL-VQQ today
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-MCI today
223 8314 to enter service 3/15
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction)

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)
Entering mod: 3958?

75H: 11/15 complete
In mods: 5635
Entering mod: 5647 3/14

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

223 8314 to enter service today
717 9555 storage exit cancelled

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction) - entering service 3/15

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)

75H: 12/15 complete
In mods: 5647

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

ClassicSpotter wrote:

A DL B717, N925AT, ship number 9574 suffered a major fuel leak from the right wing taking off from 36C at KCLT yesterday on March 14th, forcing a return to KCLT.

Source: https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/delta-boeing-717-leaks-fuel-following-charlotte-departure/

It helps when the fuel cap is properly secured...

Has anyone had any experience of the new Viasat wi-fi not working or just simply turned off/disconnected for the duration of the flight? I was on N901DN this afternoon connected with the network appearing on my Settings, but the portal was unreachable.

AdEd wrote:

Has anyone had any experience of the new Viasat wi-fi not working or just simply turned off/disconnected for the duration of the flight? I was on N901DN this afternoon connected with the network appearing on my Settings, but the portal was unreachable.

I have seen it be wonky a few times try connecting and going to 192.168.1.1 that seemed to force it onto the portal

B757Forever wrote:

Dalmd88 wrote:

N948DL wrote:

There’s been some talk on our pilot forums about Delta acquiring 15-20 Qantas 717s after the TA closes. Also heard they might be acquiring them for parts only. Anyone hear anything about this?

Yes there is a strong rumor DL is acquiring some used 717 for parts. I've heard the green time engines are the real target. I idea on the former operator, but I would bet the parked ones at Boeing Capital are the ones.

The BR engine parts are still in short supply so I'm pretty sure there is a lot to this rumor. Reworked engines are being produced from the shop but not at the desired rate due to parts issues.

The17 aircraft are from Boeing Capitol. Boeing is in the process of restructuring (for lack of a better term) the relationship between Boeing and Boeing capitol. My understanding is they desire to get "stale" aircraft off the books. These are for parts only and of course, the green time BR engines.

The engines aren’t a problem like the MD-90. These are the same engines on the Gulfstream Jet. And now the B-52. They are mounted the same as the Gulfstream so the differences aren’t that great. There are 1500 plus engines made and they have a very long time “under wing” before overhaul is necessary. Delta also handles these in house. The MD-90 was victim of where it was mounted that made it different.

If Delta could do COVID over they would have been less pessimistic. They told us recovery would not happen until 2025. They bought out large amounts of senior employees only to call back 8 months later with a new hire date (no thanks) seniority is king in the airline industry. The 777 and 767 retirements were regretted. So were the 717 retirements. They are still working to get aircraft back online. It cost them Billions and a talent drain.

n515cr wrote:

n515cr wrote:

73R 3958 still showing a ferry ATL-VQQ later today
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-MCI 3/14
223 8314 to enter service 3/15

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction)

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 4/33 complete
In mod: 3959
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)
Entering mod: 3958?

75H: 10/15 complete
RTS: 5635 3/13
In mods: 5635, 5642
Entering mod: 5647 cancelled

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

73R 3958 still showing a ferry ATL-VQQ today
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-MCI today
223 8314 to enter service 3/15
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction)

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)
Entering mod: 3958?

75H: 11/15 complete
In mods: 5635
Entering mod: 5647 3/14

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

What 757 tail numbers are stored?

I wish DL could get the senior people back who took buyouts and restore their original seniority date (extraordinary times) . These people (Operations/Pilots/FA's) were the ones who knew how to make Delta run like a sewing machine. I always thought it was a mistake to upgrade the interiors of the 777's then turn around and dump them. Huge waste of money. The LR's will fly on with AI. The NW fanboys will scream how great the AIrbuses are but BA, AA, UA, KL seem to be doing just fine still flying their 'paid off' 777's. DL always love point out how flying old paid off jets cost less than shiney new ones. Humm

DL757NYC wrote:

What 757 tail numbers are stored?

75Ds: 680, 5651, 6700, 6703
75Ss: 6806, 6809, 6814, 6818

DL757NYC wrote:

The engines aren’t a problem like the MD-90. These are the same engines on the Gulfstream Jet. And now the B-52. They are mounted the same as the Gulfstream so the differences aren’t that great. There are 1500 plus engines made and they have a very long time “under wing” before overhaul is necessary. Delta also handles these in house. The MD-90 was victim of where it was mounted that made it different.

The engines are a challenge on the 717 for somewhat similar, but also different reasons than the MD90.
The MD90 engine was the ultimate definition of a small orphan type, and went down to a single outsourced vendor halfway around the world that maintained the capability to perform overhauls on that specific type/varient of engine. Thus leading to extremely high cost and long lead times to perform overhaul work, and this was in the pre-pandemic era.

The BR715 engine on the 717 is a bit different but it still a relatively small number of engines in comparison to engines used on much larger fleet types.
Yes, DL maintains the ability to perform overhauls in-house, but the recent issues are related to parts supply / lead times from third party vendors that manufacture / machine the parts.
With the 717 being an oprhan fleet type with only a small number of operators, its it a spot where parked airframes can be worth more as parts / engine donors and where it becomes financially viable to acquire airframes with engines with "green time" cheaper than it would be to overhaul engines. That or at least delay / defer the need to do engine overhauls.
WIth an engine overhaul easily costing somewhere around $1-2 M per engine, acquiring aircraft for good engines can make sense.

cv5880 wrote:

I wish DL could get the senior people back who took buyouts and restore their original seniority date (extraordinary times) . These people (Operations/Pilots/FA's) were the ones who knew how to make Delta run like a sewing machine. I always thought it was a mistake to upgrade the interiors of the 777's then turn around and dump them. Huge waste of money. The LR's will fly on with AI. The NW fanboys will scream how great the AIrbuses are but BA, AA, UA, KL seem to be doing just fine still flying their 'paid off' 777's. DL always love point out how flying old paid off jets cost less than shiney new ones. Humm

This seems irrational. But just to indulge you.

I think that obviously DL didn't intend to retire their 777s but they were able replace them with a350s which can operate the same routes more efficiently and have essentially the same interior and maybe even the same seat count (so from a customer perspective there's not much change) except for the irritating subfleet of ex-Latam a350s that will eventually be modded to match.

And DL still flies a large number of "paid off" and "old" planes like the 717s, A320s, 757s, 767s. With fuel price volatility and growing public support for cleaner modes of transportation, keeping those older birds around longer is going to get a bit harder for DL and other airlines.

AdEd wrote:

Has anyone had any experience of the new Viasat wi-fi not working or just simply turned off/disconnected for the duration of the flight? I was on N901DN this afternoon connected with the network appearing on my Settings, but the portal was unreachable.

Turn off your VPN

n515cr wrote:

223 8314 to enter service today
717 9555 storage exit cancelled

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction) - entering service 3/15

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)

75H: 12/15 complete
In mods: 5647

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

Correction on a post from earlier this week...
73R 3939 ferried to MCI on 3/14, not 3947
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-VQQ today

717 9554 test hop at QRO tomorrow
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow
717 9584 ferrying to BHM today...hasn't flown since 3/7

No updates to IFC list.

6702 entered BFM yesterday, and 5652 left BFM right after. Any idea what these mods are? 6701 also there, as noted above

gdavis003 wrote:

6702 entered BFM yesterday, and 5652 left BFM right after. Any idea what these mods are? 6701 also there, as noted above

No mods except IFC on the the ships that will ferry there for reactivation, just routine MX.

2010

DeltaRules wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

FF630 wrote:

I also remember when ATL-DAB used the 752 (now it's 738s and 739s). It was always a shocker to see those big planes at small DAB.

DAB got some 752s for race dates and heavy Spring Break dates but mostly it was MD-88s in the early 2010s. It was one of the early upgauge test routes from 7x CR7s, actually.

DAB was fairly 752-heavy when 25L/7R was repaved around 2011-12 IIRC, but then started seeing them off and on later in the decade. I actually had a 739 flight in 2016 upgauged to a 757 a few weeks before the flight.

Can you expand more on the upgauge test route program (i.e., which cities were used, which types, which stuck/didn't stick)?

Not much at all, but I'll share what I remember. ATL-DAB was said to be one of the first test routes. When DL was ready to start drawing down the ~500 CR2s/E145s (2010?), ATL-DAB was 7x CR7. DL took it to 4X MD-88, routinely running a 757 for winter or race weekends. Apparently reduction of frequency didn't kill ATL connectivity and yields, so here we are, with upgauge and mainline love. The 717 transaction was big, and the MD-90s replaced the remaining DC-9s.

I definitely didn't track network gauge and frequency over the years.

B757Forever wrote:

Dalmd88 wrote:

Yes there is a strong rumor DL is acquiring some used 717 for parts. I've heard the green time engines are the real target. I idea on the former operator, but I would bet the parked ones at Boeing Capital are the ones.

The BR engine parts are still in short supply so I'm pretty sure there is a lot to this rumor. Reworked engines are being produced from the shop but not at the desired rate due to parts issues.

The17 aircraft are from Boeing Capitol. Boeing is in the process of restructuring (for lack of a better term) the relationship between Boeing and Boeing capitol. My understanding is they desire to get "stale" aircraft off the books. These are for parts only and of course, the green time BR engines.

Can you give an estimation for how much time or service life these 17 aircraft bought Delta? Obviously this only accounts for less than 1/4 the current active fleet, but will these engines/parts get 17 frames close to their end of decade retirement?

Additionally, is it more or less a forgone conclusion that the Qantas fleet will meet the same fate? (Unless HA outbid on a few frames). Presuming so, between cannibalizing these two operators (Volotea & Qantas) and a portion of the internal fleet, how far would this get the 717’s service life at Delta?

n515cr wrote:

n515cr wrote:

223 8314 to enter service today
717 9555 storage exit cancelled

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction) - entering service 3/15

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)

75H: 12/15 complete
In mods: 5647

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

Correction on a post from earlier this week...
73R 3939 ferried to MCI on 3/14, not 3947
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-VQQ today

717 9554 test hop at QRO tomorrow
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow
717 9584 ferrying to BHM today...hasn't flown since 3/7

No updates to IFC list.

BHM is never good news... Will 9584 be parted-out in favor of reactivating another?

DL757NYC wrote:

B757Forever wrote:

Dalmd88 wrote:

Yes there is a strong rumor DL is acquiring some used 717 for parts. I've heard the green time engines are the real target. I idea on the former operator, but I would bet the parked ones at Boeing Capital are the ones.

The BR engine parts are still in short supply so I'm pretty sure there is a lot to this rumor. Reworked engines are being produced from the shop but not at the desired rate due to parts issues.

The17 aircraft are from Boeing Capitol. Boeing is in the process of restructuring (for lack of a better term) the relationship between Boeing and Boeing capitol. My understanding is they desire to get "stale" aircraft off the books. These are for parts only and of course, the green time BR engines.

The engines aren’t a problem like the MD-90. These are the same engines on the Gulfstream Jet. And now the B-52. They are mounted the same as the Gulfstream so the differences aren’t that great. There are 1500 plus engines made and they have a very long time “under wing” before overhaul is necessary. Delta also handles these in house. The MD-90 was victim of where it was mounted that made it different.

If Delta could do COVID over they would have been less pessimistic. They told us recovery would not happen until 2025. They bought out large amounts of senior employees only to call back 8 months later with a new hire date (no thanks) seniority is king in the airline industry. The 777 and 767 retirements were regretted. So were the 717 retirements. They are still working to get aircraft back online. It cost them Billions and a talent drain.

The engines on the 717 are not the same as all the other BR700 cousins. Yes they are related, but there are a few big differences. The fan on the 715 version is larger and the config of the spools is quite different. I don't think they share a lot of parts from one engine type to another.

As for the talent drain in MTC, it was going to happen sooner or later. There was a huge wave of hiring in the 80's. A lot of those AMT's took the package and many were ready to go in another year or two. I'm expecting over the next couple of years more will exit to go fish and play golf. I know I'm close to counting the remaining years on a single hand and so are many that I work around.

I am in Delta IT and we had roughly 35% take the package. We are paper thin and many of the folks who walked took unreplaceable knowledge with them. On another note my HS senior son is about to apply with DL MTC.

Dalmd88 wrote:

I know I'm close to counting the remaining years on a single hand and so are many that I work around.

Come on in, the water's fine!

What’s the latest with 738 SSW? Any progress on the ADL kit that was mentioned last year? Nice couple % gains between the two.

n515cr wrote:

n515cr wrote:

223 8314 to enter service today
717 9555 storage exit cancelled

IFC
223: 5/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction) - entering service 3/15

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)

75H: 12/15 complete
In mods: 5647

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

Correction on a post from earlier this week...
73R 3939 ferried to MCI on 3/14, not 3947
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-VQQ today

717 9554 test hop at QRO tomorrow
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow
717 9584 ferrying to BHM today...hasn't flown since 3/7

No updates to IFC list.

73J 3947 on track to ferry SBD-VQQ today
717 9555 on track to ferry SBD-QRO today
717 9554 exit from QRO tomorrow
73J 3945 showing test hop at VQQ tomorrow and service entry 3/19

IFC
223: 5/15 complete

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)

75H: 12/15 complete
In mods: 5647

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

DeltaMD95 wrote:

n515cr wrote:

n515cr wrote:

223 8314 to enter service today
717 9555 storage exit cancelled

IFC
223: 4/14 complete
In mods: 8314 (induction) - entering service 3/15

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)

75H: 12/15 complete
In mods: 5647

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

Correction on a post from earlier this week...
73R 3939 ferried to MCI on 3/14, not 3947
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-VQQ today

717 9554 test hop at QRO tomorrow
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow
717 9584 ferrying to BHM today...hasn't flown since 3/7

No updates to IFC list.

BHM is never good news... Will 9584 be parted-out in favor of reactivating another?

BHM is temp storage......not part out.
I am guessing here is that is waiting for a spot for a maintenance check and it timed out. Or, in a spot where its due for an airframe check and they are "borrowing" the engines that still have green time, or vice-versa.

TonyClifton wrote:

What’s the latest with 738 SSW? Any progress on the ADL kit that was mentioned last year? Nice couple % gains between the two.

3770 (N37700) is currently fitted with the ADL kit and has been carrying out test flights out of ATL. It's TBD if the fleet will get them, I assume it's depending the performance of these flights.

777Mech wrote:

TonyClifton wrote:

What’s the latest with 738 SSW? Any progress on the ADL kit that was mentioned last year? Nice couple % gains between the two.

3770 (N37700) is currently fitted with the ADL kit and has been carrying out test flights out of ATL. It's TBD if the fleet will get them, I assume it's depending the performance of these flights.

I see Southwest just started testing it, as well as Westjet on the -700.

777Mech wrote:

TonyClifton wrote:

What’s the latest with 738 SSW? Any progress on the ADL kit that was mentioned last year? Nice couple % gains between the two.

3770 (N37700) is currently fitted with the ADL kit and has been carrying out test flights out of ATL. It's TBD if the fleet will get them, I assume it's depending the performance of these flights.

Is it TBD? Press release said DL agreed to purchase the kits for the entire 738 fleet. https://www.yahoo.com/now/delta-air-lin ... 00817.html But, maybe they wanted testing and could opt out?

jbs2886 wrote:

777Mech wrote:

TonyClifton wrote:

What’s the latest with 738 SSW? Any progress on the ADL kit that was mentioned last year? Nice couple % gains between the two.

3770 (N37700) is currently fitted with the ADL kit and has been carrying out test flights out of ATL. It's TBD if the fleet will get them, I assume it's depending the performance of these flights.

Is it TBD? Press release said DL agreed to purchase the kits for the entire 738 fleet. https://www.yahoo.com/now/delta-air-lin ... 00817.html But, maybe they wanted testing and could opt out?

Just a guess but there could be a provision requiring x% improvement.

WassbiKhalifa wrote:

I am in Delta IT and we had roughly 35% take the package. We are paper thin and many of the folks who walked took unreplaceable knowledge with them. On another note my HS senior son is about to apply with DL MTC.

Yes the knowledge loss is very visible on the customer side. I had a problem with my Platinum Medallion Regional Upgrade Certs during the rollover month of January. It took three hours of phone time with three different agents to get the situation resolved. The first two agents were courteous and polite, but new and didn't know these complicated products as well as a more seasoned employee would have. The third agent was clearly more experienced and understood the system well enough to find a quick fix. The issue involved calling a customer service supervisor, not calling Skymiles as the other two agents did.

I think as Delta tries to both defend market share and build its core hubs back, they are running super hot with lots of green employees. Overall I think they are doing remarkably well, but there are certainly hiccups that would not have been tolerated pre-covid.

36 cancels today so far, about 1% of network as of 2:30 eastern. Totaled out at 45 yesterday. That is at least somewhat notable since we are only at the 17th of the month and reserves shouldn't be timed out yet for the month.

TW870 wrote:

WassbiKhalifa wrote:

I am in Delta IT and we had roughly 35% take the package. We are paper thin and many of the folks who walked took unreplaceable knowledge with them. On another note my HS senior son is about to apply with DL MTC.

Yes the knowledge loss is very visible on the customer side. I had a problem with my Platinum Medallion Regional Upgrade Certs during the rollover month of January. It took three hours of phone time with three different agents to get the situation resolved. The first two agents were courteous and polite, but new and didn't know these complicated products as well as a more seasoned employee would have. The third agent was clearly more experienced and understood the system well enough to find a quick fix. The issue involved calling a customer service supervisor, not calling Skymiles as the other two agents did.

I think as Delta tries to both defend market share and build its core hubs back, they are running super hot with lots of green employees. Overall I think they are doing remarkably well, but there are certainly hiccups that would not have been tolerated pre-covid.

36 cancels today so far, about 1% of network as of 2:30 eastern. Totaled out at 45 yesterday. That is at least somewhat notable since we are only at the 17th of the month and reserves shouldn't be timed out yet for the month.

Reserves haven’t timed out for the month since 2014 when FAR 117 came into place. It’s a rolling window.

n515cr wrote:

73J 3947 on track to ferry SBD-VQQ today
717 9555 on track to ferry SBD-QRO today
717 9554 exit from QRO tomorrow
73J 3945 showing test hop at VQQ tomorrow and service entry 3/19

717s 9555 and 9554 - movements cancelled
73J 3945 exit ferry VQQ-ATL showing for 3/19

TonyClifton wrote:

TW870 wrote:

WassbiKhalifa wrote:

I am in Delta IT and we had roughly 35% take the package. We are paper thin and many of the folks who walked took unreplaceable knowledge with them. On another note my HS senior son is about to apply with DL MTC.

Yes the knowledge loss is very visible on the customer side. I had a problem with my Platinum Medallion Regional Upgrade Certs during the rollover month of January. It took three hours of phone time with three different agents to get the situation resolved. The first two agents were courteous and polite, but new and didn't know these complicated products as well as a more seasoned employee would have. The third agent was clearly more experienced and understood the system well enough to find a quick fix. The issue involved calling a customer service supervisor, not calling Skymiles as the other two agents did.

I think as Delta tries to both defend market share and build its core hubs back, they are running super hot with lots of green employees. Overall I think they are doing remarkably well, but there are certainly hiccups that would not have been tolerated pre-covid.

36 cancels today so far, about 1% of network as of 2:30 eastern. Totaled out at 45 yesterday. That is at least somewhat notable since we are only at the 17th of the month and reserves shouldn't be timed out yet for the month.

Reserves haven’t timed out for the month since 2014 when FAR 117 came into place. It’s a rolling window.

Reserves can time-out, or more accurately, fill up. This just means what they actually flew was => their reserve guarantee. and If there are remaining on-call days, they convet into days off. Not really impactful, as when this occurs, a pilot might have only have a day or two left anyway. Doubt this has caused any cancels, as even if there are zero reserves they can staff flights via voluntary overtime and rerouting pilots on duty into something else.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

DeltaMD95 wrote:

n515cr wrote:

Correction on a post from earlier this week...
73R 3939 ferried to MCI on 3/14, not 3947
73J 3947 to ferry SBD-VQQ today

717 9554 test hop at QRO tomorrow
717 9555 showing ferry SBD-QRO tomorrow
717 9584 ferrying to BHM today...hasn't flown since 3/7

No updates to IFC list.

BHM is never good news... Will 9584 be parted-out in favor of reactivating another?

BHM is temp storage......not part out.
I am guessing here is that is waiting for a spot for a maintenance check and it timed out. Or, in a spot where its due for an airframe check and they are "borrowing" the engines that still have green time, or vice-versa.

9584 is going to BHM for an extensive sheet metal repair. No long term hangar space available at the TOC.

TW870 wrote:

WassbiKhalifa wrote:

I am in Delta IT and we had roughly 35% take the package. We are paper thin and many of the folks who walked took unreplaceable knowledge with them. On another note my HS senior son is about to apply with DL MTC.

Yes the knowledge loss is very visible on the customer side. I had a problem with my Platinum Medallion Regional Upgrade Certs during the rollover month of January. It took three hours of phone time with three different agents to get the situation resolved. The first two agents were courteous and polite, but new and didn't know these complicated products as well as a more seasoned employee would have. The third agent was clearly more experienced and understood the system well enough to find a quick fix. The issue involved calling a customer service supervisor, not calling Skymiles as the other two agents did.

I think as Delta tries to both defend market share and build its core hubs back, they are running super hot with lots of green employees. Overall I think they are doing remarkably well, but there are certainly hiccups that would not have been tolerated pre-covid.

36 cancels today so far, about 1% of network as of 2:30 eastern. Totaled out at 45 yesterday. That is at least somewhat notable since we are only at the 17th of the month and reserves shouldn't be timed out yet for the month.

Thanks for bearing with us.

TonyClifton wrote:

What’s the latest with 738 SSW? Any progress on the ADL kit that was mentioned last year? Nice couple % gains between the two.

Flew N374DA this week…noticed the new ssw and assumed it was a -900, but checked and was surprised!

B757Forever wrote:

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

DeltaMD95 wrote:

BHM is never good news... Will 9584 be parted-out in favor of reactivating another?

BHM is temp storage......not part out.
I am guessing here is that is waiting for a spot for a maintenance check and it timed out. Or, in a spot where its due for an airframe check and they are "borrowing" the engines that still have green time, or vice-versa.

9584 is going to BHM for an extensive sheet metal repair. No long term hangar space available at the TOC.

Thank you for confirming this detail. Glad to be corrected.

On a related note, are any of the 8 non-RTS ex-FL aircraft scheduled for scrapping?

Is it realistic that Delta can bring on all 100 Max 10s without retiring any 737s? Or would they retire a 737 before it’s time to maintain an “optimal fleet size” based on their network and other factors?

rsgolfpunk wrote:

Is it realistic that Delta can bring on all 100 Max 10s without retiring any 737s? Or would they retire a 737 before it’s time to maintain an “optimal fleet size” based on their network and other factors?

Short answer, yes. The 320's will go long before any of the 738's leave the fleet.

DiamondFlyer wrote:

rsgolfpunk wrote:

Is it realistic that Delta can bring on all 100 Max 10s without retiring any 737s? Or would they retire a 737 before it’s time to maintain an “optimal fleet size” based on their network and other factors?

Short answer, yes. The 320's will go long before any of the 738's leave the fleet.

Probably some 757s, too.

I’d expect to see the 737s go past age 30. Oldest is 24.

There’s also the 30 options, could see those come into play with replacing older 737s. I could easily see more than 130 737-10s.

flyaa757 wrote:

TonyClifton wrote:

What’s the latest with 738 SSW? Any progress on the ADL kit that was mentioned last year? Nice couple % gains between the two.

Flew N374DA this week…noticed the new ssw and assumed it was a -900, but checked and was surprised!

I saw it fly over the beach at DAB yesterday and assumed the same thing.

Last I heard, there are no immediate plans to retire the older 737s or A320s yet. Granted things change quickly, but we need the lift.

TonyClifton wrote:

I’d expect to see the 737s go past age 30. Oldest is 24.

There’s also the 30 options, could see those come into play with replacing older 737s. I could easily see more than 130 737-10s.

It will be interesting to see how many years it takes to get 100 737-10s on property. I suppose they have a tentative delivery schedule.

Here is a link to a photo of the first 737-800 with split scimitars.
https://aeroxplorer.com/viewphoto.php?id=27884
Credit to Dylan Campbell

I have to say, it looks sharp in the DL scheme!

n515cr wrote:

73J 3947 on track to ferry SBD-VQQ today
717 9555 on track to ferry SBD-QRO today
717 9554 exit from QRO tomorrow
73J 3945 showing test hop at VQQ tomorrow and service entry 3/19

IFC
223: 5/15 complete

320s: 59/61 complete
In mods: 3219 (SAL mx), 3230 (@ATL - bird strike repair)

73J/R: 5/33 complete
IFC mod during induction: 3962 (73R), 3960 (73R), 3931 (73R), 3957 (73R)
Active without IFC: 3958 (73R), 3950 (73J)

75H: 12/15 complete
In mods: 5647
Entering mods: 5649?

75D: 57/62 complete (4 stored)
In mods: 6701 (@BFM - reactivation mx)

n515cr wrote:

717s 9555 and 9554 - movements cancelled
73J 3945 exit ferry VQQ-ATL showing for 3/19

73J 3945 completed its test hop today and is showing an exit ferry to ATL tomorrow. Expect 3948 to begin induction once it exits.
717 9555 to exit SBD-QRO 3/20