Delta Air Lines Network - 2023

USAirKid · Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:16 am

tinpusher007 wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/american-airlines-loses-fight-over-delta-airport-slots-2023-03-16/?fbclid=IwAR2ZneppJfmd9R1iWUl_C5S2nv7-28eaDQuqXIm-RnK46MkXnwW6l6jNy2Y

Good for DL. I wonder if it means we are obligated to operate PHL-LHR in order to keep the slots or could we switch it to something more viable?

I wonder about the exact details, how much were they using the slots?

It reminds me a bit of DL on SEA-HND. They ran that at the bare minimum. I forget the exact time periods but it’d run for one week, then not for ten weeks, which was the minimum to keep it utilized per the rules.

Sightseer · Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:35 pm

tinpusher007 wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/american-airlines-loses-fight-over-delta-airport-slots-2023-03-16/?fbclid=IwAR2ZneppJfmd9R1iWUl_C5S2nv7-28eaDQuqXIm-RnK46MkXnwW6l6jNy2Y

Good for DL. I wonder if it means we are obligated to operate PHL-LHR in order to keep the slots or could we switch it to something more viable?

In most cases these types of arrangements allow the slots to be moved elsewhere after meeting usage requirements for a certain amount of time. I'm not sure what the specifics of this deal are, though.

Sightseer · Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:46 pm

AdEd wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
I had dinner with the Director of Sales for Boston with Delta tonight and he said a few things I found to be interesting;

-DL is studying adding BOS-BOG on an A330 (in conjunction with LATAM JV)
-DL is likely going to announce an increase of frequency on BOS-GRU (as part of the JV with LATAM)
-Drawdown of RJs is going to continue to happen at lightning speed across the board because regionals are absolutely hurting for pilots and there is no end in sight to this

I'm afraid that BOS-GRU does not exist and that BOS-BOG on an A330 wouldn't happen as long as JFK/ATL-BOG still gets the 767.

BOS-GRU does not exist on DL metal, but it certainly does on JV partner Latam. Flight 8164 from GRU is scheduled to land in BOS at 7:35 a.m. tomorrow.

Agreed on BOS-BOG with an A330 unless it would use a plane that would otherwise sit in BOS for 12 hours. But even then that seems like a lot of capacity for a brand new route that can easily be flown with a smaller plane.

23463245613 · Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:00 pm

It’ll be interesting to see the pieces come into place as the LATAM JV progresses. Good news for the DL pilots as those appear to be DL metal!

evank516 · Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:09 pm

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
I had dinner with the Director of Sales for Boston with Delta tonight and he said a few things I found to be interesting;

-DL is studying adding BOS-BOG on an A330 (in conjunction with LATAM JV)
-DL is likely going to announce an increase of frequency on BOS-GRU (as part of the JV with LATAM)
-Drawdown of RJs is going to continue to happen at lightning speed across the board because regionals are absolutely hurting for pilots and there is no end in sight to this

Drawdown of RJs system-wide or just in BOS?

23463245613 · Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:16 pm

evank516 wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
I had dinner with the Director of Sales for Boston with Delta tonight and he said a few things I found to be interesting;

-DL is studying adding BOS-BOG on an A330 (in conjunction with LATAM JV)
-DL is likely going to announce an increase of frequency on BOS-GRU (as part of the JV with LATAM)
-Drawdown of RJs is going to continue to happen at lightning speed across the board because regionals are absolutely hurting for pilots and there is no end in sight to this

Drawdown of RJs system-wide or just in BOS?

Everywhere. RJs are a dying breed for every single legacy, DL is just ahead of the rest pulling them down and replacing them with mainline.

SESGDL · Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:58 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
I had dinner with the Director of Sales for Boston with Delta tonight and he said a few things I found to be interesting;

-DL is studying adding BOS-BOG on an A330 (in conjunction with LATAM JV)
-DL is likely going to announce an increase of frequency on BOS-GRU (as part of the JV with LATAM)
-Drawdown of RJs is going to continue to happen at lightning speed across the board because regionals are absolutely hurting for pilots and there is no end in sight to this

Drawdown of RJs system-wide or just in BOS?

Everywhere. RJs are a dying breed for every single legacy, DL is just ahead of the rest pulling them down and replacing them with mainline.

I keep hearing this but AA is somehow able to staff its nearly 600 regional aircraft fleet, whereas DL struggles with its RJ fleet that's roughly half the size. I know everyone's drawing them down but how has AA (and UA to a lessor extent) been able to find pilots when DL seems to be struggling?

Jeremy

MIflyer12 · Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:24 pm

SESGDL wrote:
I keep hearing this but AA is somehow able to staff its nearly 600 regional aircraft fleet, whereas DL struggles with its RJ fleet that's roughly half the size. I know everyone's drawing them down but how has AA (and UA to a lessor extent) been able to find pilots when DL seems to be struggling?

Jeremy

AA returned 10 RJs, and had 59 parked, per the Annual Report. I don't think that shows strength. See page 57.

https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/st ... cba0e69fc7

Bigant0408 · Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:24 pm

Sightseer wrote:
tinpusher007 wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/american-airlines-loses-fight-over-delta-airport-slots-2023-03-16/?fbclid=IwAR2ZneppJfmd9R1iWUl_C5S2nv7-28eaDQuqXIm-RnK46MkXnwW6l6jNy2Y

Good for DL. I wonder if it means we are obligated to operate PHL-LHR in order to keep the slots or could we switch it to something more viable?

In most cases these types of arrangements allow the slots to be moved elsewhere after meeting usage requirements for a certain amount of time. I'm not sure what the specifics of this deal are, though.

You are right most cases they can use the slot for another route. I'm just not sure if they have used it since ending services to PHL back in 2018

https://londonairtravel.com/2017/06/26/ ... ladelphia/

23463245613 · Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:24 pm

SESGDL wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Drawdown of RJs system-wide or just in BOS?

Everywhere. RJs are a dying breed for every single legacy, DL is just ahead of the rest pulling them down and replacing them with mainline.

I keep hearing this but AA is somehow able to staff its nearly 600 regional aircraft fleet, whereas DL struggles with its RJ fleet that's roughly half the size. I know everyone's drawing them down but how has AA (and UA to a lessor extent) been able to find pilots when DL seems to be struggling?

Jeremy

American has many planes parked, Envoy is shedding all their 145s and they aren’t going 1-1 to Piedmont. Mesa got booted for not being able to fly their share. PSA shed all their CRJ200s.

11725Flyer · Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:46 am

Looks like DL has cancelled the 2x DAL-LGA flights before they were scheduled to begin on June 5th. Instead, an extra LAX and ATL flight will be added. Already showing on DL's website.

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1637050177864302592

gsg013 · Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:08 am

TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
I had dinner with the Director of Sales for Boston with Delta tonight and he said a few things I found to be interesting;

-DL is studying adding BOS-BOG on an A330 (in conjunction with LATAM JV)
-DL is likely going to announce an increase of frequency on BOS-GRU (as part of the JV with LATAM)
-Drawdown of RJs is going to continue to happen at lightning speed across the board because regionals are absolutely hurting for pilots and there is no end in sight to this

Drawdown of RJs system-wide or just in BOS?

Everywhere. RJs are a dying breed for every single legacy, DL is just ahead of the rest pulling them down and replacing them with mainline.

Hoping we can get out of RJ on the BNA-LGA and BNA-JFK flights and into mainline.

laca773 · Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:01 am

Are all of DL’s gates @ LAX T2/3 now in full operation or under renovation construction?

Carrera125 · Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:38 am

5 gates still under construction

dcajet · Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:38 pm

AdEd wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
I had dinner with the Director of Sales for Boston with Delta tonight and he said a few things I found to be interesting;

-DL is studying adding BOS-BOG on an A330 (in conjunction with LATAM JV)
-DL is likely going to announce an increase of frequency on BOS-GRU (as part of the JV with LATAM)
-Drawdown of RJs is going to continue to happen at lightning speed across the board because regionals are absolutely hurting for pilots and there is no end in sight to this

I'm afraid that BOS-GRU does not exist and that BOS-BOG on an A330 wouldn't happen as long as JFK/ATL-BOG still gets the 767.

LATAM operates the GRU-BOS route since before the pandemic.

DeltaRules · Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:32 am

TonyClifton wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
Everywhere. RJs are a dying breed for every single legacy, DL is just ahead of the rest pulling them down and replacing them with mainline.

I keep hearing this but AA is somehow able to staff its nearly 600 regional aircraft fleet, whereas DL struggles with its RJ fleet that's roughly half the size. I know everyone's drawing them down but how has AA (and UA to a lessor extent) been able to find pilots when DL seems to be struggling?

Jeremy

American has many planes parked, Envoy is shedding all their 145s and they aren’t going 1-1 to Piedmont. Mesa got booted for not being able to fly their share. PSA shed all their CRJ200s.

The CRJ-200s were one of the five AA types retired due to/during COVID.

jbs2886 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:03 am

DeltaRules wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

I keep hearing this but AA is somehow able to staff its nearly 600 regional aircraft fleet, whereas DL struggles with its RJ fleet that's roughly half the size. I know everyone's drawing them down but how has AA (and UA to a lessor extent) been able to find pilots when DL seems to be struggling?

Jeremy

American has many planes parked, Envoy is shedding all their 145s and they aren’t going 1-1 to Piedmont. Mesa got booted for not being able to fly their share. PSA shed all their CRJ200s.

The CRJ-200s were one of the five AA types retired due to/during COVID.

Well they’re back with Air Wisconsin.

evank516 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:17 pm

gsg013 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Drawdown of RJs system-wide or just in BOS?

Everywhere. RJs are a dying breed for every single legacy, DL is just ahead of the rest pulling them down and replacing them with mainline.

Hoping we can get out of RJ on the BNA-LGA and BNA-JFK flights and into mainline.

I thought LGA-BNA already had some mainline?

23463245613 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:19 pm

evank516 wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
Everywhere. RJs are a dying breed for every single legacy, DL is just ahead of the rest pulling them down and replacing them with mainline.

Hoping we can get out of RJ on the BNA-LGA and BNA-JFK flights and into mainline.

I thought LGA-BNA already had some mainline?

Without checking, I am guessing it comes and goes seasonally.

evank516 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:20 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:
gsg013 wrote:

Hoping we can get out of RJ on the BNA-LGA and BNA-JFK flights and into mainline.

I thought LGA-BNA already had some mainline?

Without checking, I am guessing it comes and goes seasonally.

That's the same with LGA-MCI lately. Hoping to see LGA-MCI go mainline too, or at least JFK-MCI since it's a single flight.

23463245613 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:21 pm

evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:

I thought LGA-BNA already had some mainline?

Without checking, I am guessing it comes and goes seasonally.

That's the same with LGA-MCI lately. Hoping to see LGA-MCI go mainline too, or at least JFK-MCI since it's a single flight.

My guess is those are 220 routes, and Airbus is taking their sweet time getting those rolled out, so that might be a hold up.

Jshank83 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:39 pm

evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:

I thought LGA-BNA already had some mainline?

Without checking, I am guessing it comes and goes seasonally.

That's the same with LGA-MCI lately. Hoping to see LGA-MCI go mainline too, or at least JFK-MCI since it's a single flight.

MCI-JFK switches to mainline in September. Although there is a long time to go to see if it holds

evank516 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:44 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
Without checking, I am guessing it comes and goes seasonally.

That's the same with LGA-MCI lately. Hoping to see LGA-MCI go mainline too, or at least JFK-MCI since it's a single flight.

MCI-JFK switches to mainline in September. Although there is a long time to go to see if it holds

Yeah I'm not holding my breath for that one. If it holds, that's fantastic! But they switched it to mainline for the second half of March and first half of April back in December and that didn't hold. Granted there is going to be more of a phasing out of small RJs over the summer and the CR9s are probably going to be needed elsewhere. And since it's a single daily flight it makes more sense to have a mainline frequency there than to smatter them on LGA-MCI.

23463245613 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:46 pm

DL seems to be making a big effort at the new MCI, wouldn’t be surprised to see more mainline upgauges to go with the SkyClub.

evank516 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
DL seems to be making a big effort at the new MCI, wouldn’t be surprised to see more mainline upgauges to go with the SkyClub.

NYC is the only nonstop destination from MCI that isn't mainline. ATL, MSP, DTW, BOS, LAX, and SEA all are mainline or have mainline frequencies.

23463245613 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:58 pm

evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
DL seems to be making a big effort at the new MCI, wouldn’t be surprised to see more mainline upgauges to go with the SkyClub.

NYC is the only nonstop destination from MCI that isn't mainline. ATL, MSP, DTW, BOS, LAX, and SEA all are mainline or have mainline frequencies.

Times have changed, I remember RJs doing DTW-MCI.

evank516 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:01 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
DL seems to be making a big effort at the new MCI, wouldn’t be surprised to see more mainline upgauges to go with the SkyClub.

NYC is the only nonstop destination from MCI that isn't mainline. ATL, MSP, DTW, BOS, LAX, and SEA all are mainline or have mainline frequencies.

Times have changed, I remember RJs doing DTW-MCI.

Yes they have, but not for NYC-MCI.

23463245613 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:17 pm

evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:

NYC is the only nonstop destination from MCI that isn't mainline. ATL, MSP, DTW, BOS, LAX, and SEA all are mainline or have mainline frequencies.

Times have changed, I remember RJs doing DTW-MCI.

Yes they have, but not for NYC-MCI.

JFK-MCI specifically isn’t even a year old, give it time. The trend for DL at MCI is more/improved service.

psa1011 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:44 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
Times have changed, I remember RJs doing DTW-MCI.

Yes they have, but not for NYC-MCI.

JFK-MCI specifically isn’t even a year old, give it time. The trend for DL at MCI is more/improved service.

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

23463245613 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:48 pm

psa1011 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Yes they have, but not for NYC-MCI.

JFK-MCI specifically isn’t even a year old, give it time. The trend for DL at MCI is more/improved service.

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

evank516 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:03 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
psa1011 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
JFK-MCI specifically isn’t even a year old, give it time. The trend for DL at MCI is more/improved service.

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

Population wise, Kansas City is the larger city/metro area.

Seat1F · Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:53 pm

evank516 wrote:
Population wise, Kansas City is the larger city/metro area.

According to Wikipedia, St. Louis metro has about 600k more people than K.C. metro.

SESGDL · Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:38 pm

evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
psa1011 wrote:

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

Population wise, Kansas City is the larger city/metro area.

That’s wrong. STL is the larger metro area between the two.

Jeremy

evank516 · Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:54 pm

SESGDL wrote:
evank516 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

Population wise, Kansas City is the larger city/metro area.

That’s wrong. STL is the larger metro area between the two.

Jeremy

I stand corrected. 2.3 mil in KC vs 2.8 in St. Louis. However, Kansas City proper's population is about 500,000 vs St. Louis proper being 300,000. But word is KC's metro is growing and STL's is shrinking.

trexel94 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:49 am

evank516 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
evank516 wrote:

Population wise, Kansas City is the larger city/metro area.

That’s wrong. STL is the larger metro area between the two.

Jeremy

I stand corrected. 2.3 mil in KC vs 2.8 in St. Louis. However, Kansas City proper's population is about 500,000 vs St. Louis proper being 300,000. But word is KC's metro is growing and STL's is shrinking.

While it is true that KC is edging out STL in population growth, it has nothing to do with Delta service levels. AA is far more prominent in STL compared to KC parallel to what DL is at MCI. STL has an Admirals Club, MCI has a Sky Club. Its not hard to figure out many of STL old money corporate traffic are still loyal to AA after all these years. DL and AA are about par with each other in KC and I expect DL to take 2nd place once again since they're expanding frequencies and upgrading routes.

trexel94 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:52 am

TonyClifton wrote:
psa1011 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
JFK-MCI specifically isn’t even a year old, give it time. The trend for DL at MCI is more/improved service.

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

AA also flies STL-LAX. Just swap out AA for DL at MCI and its roughly same service parallel.

AA services STL-BOS while DL serves MCI-BOS

23463245613 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:57 am

trexel94 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
psa1011 wrote:

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

AA also flies STL-LAX. Just swap out AA for DL at MCI and its roughly same service parallel.

AA services STL-BOS while DL serves MCI-BOS

Makes sense, with the former TWA hub there probably some AA loyalty in STL.

psa1011 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:14 am

trexel94 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
psa1011 wrote:

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

AA also flies STL-LAX. Just swap out AA for DL at MCI and its roughly same service parallel.

AA services STL-BOS while DL serves MCI-BOS

True although MCI-LAX also has NK. And STL-SEA has AS 2x daily, while MCI has AS 2x daily + DL 1x daily.

SESGDL · Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:01 am

trexel94 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

That’s wrong. STL is the larger metro area between the two.

Jeremy

I stand corrected. 2.3 mil in KC vs 2.8 in St. Louis. However, Kansas City proper's population is about 500,000 vs St. Louis proper being 300,000. But word is KC's metro is growing and STL's is shrinking.

While it is true that KC is edging out STL in population growth, it has nothing to do with Delta service levels. AA is far more prominent in STL compared to KC parallel to what DL is at MCI. STL has an Admirals Club, MCI has a Sky Club. Its not hard to figure out many of STL old money corporate traffic are still loyal to AA after all these years. DL and AA are about par with each other in KC and I expect DL to take 2nd place once again since they're expanding frequencies and upgrading routes.

WN also has a larger operation at STL, which makes MCI an easier market to target for the US3.

Jeremy

ASFlyer · Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:08 am

psa1011 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

AA also flies STL-LAX. Just swap out AA for DL at MCI and its roughly same service parallel.

AA services STL-BOS while DL serves MCI-BOS

True although MCI-LAX also has NK. And STL-SEA has AS 2x daily, while MCI has AS 2x daily + DL 1x daily.

Both STL-SEA and MCI-SEA on AS go to 3x daily during the summer.

tlecam · Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:25 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
psa1011 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
AA also flies STL-LAX. Just swap out AA for DL at MCI and its roughly same service parallel.

AA services STL-BOS while DL serves MCI-BOS

True although MCI-LAX also has NK. And STL-SEA has AS 2x daily, while MCI has AS 2x daily + DL 1x daily.

Both STL-SEA and MCI-SEA on AS go to 3x daily during the summer.

MCI has been looking for a TATL flight, with a target towards launching one in 2024 (according to Wikipedia, I did not research). Maybe DL/AF will start 3 or 4x weekly service to Paris given the large Sanofi plant in KC. Lockton is also a player in the insurance business and is a global company.

flpuck6 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:29 pm

The new MCI is gorgeous. It's a little bit of a walk from check in to gates, but worth it. The airport is international worthy, for sure.

flymco753 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:40 pm

DL is adding a Saturday 717 flight between DTW and VPS beginning in June. Good use for a 717 when the schedule dips on Saturdays.

Jshank83 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:51 pm

SESGDL wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
evank516 wrote:

I stand corrected. 2.3 mil in KC vs 2.8 in St. Louis. However, Kansas City proper's population is about 500,000 vs St. Louis proper being 300,000. But word is KC's metro is growing and STL's is shrinking.

While it is true that KC is edging out STL in population growth, it has nothing to do with Delta service levels. AA is far more prominent in STL compared to KC parallel to what DL is at MCI. STL has an Admirals Club, MCI has a Sky Club. Its not hard to figure out many of STL old money corporate traffic are still loyal to AA after all these years. DL and AA are about par with each other in KC and I expect DL to take 2nd place once again since they're expanding frequencies and upgrading routes.

WN also has a larger operation at STL, which makes MCI an easier market to target for the US3.

Jeremy

This factors in for sure, WN is a beast at STL (60%+ of all traffic) compared to others trying to gain a share. Plus with AA being solid number 2 and AS being their partner, I am not sure if much is left for DL on that route. SEA was year round daily on WN prior to covid. MCI had it seasonally. At the moment they both get it 1x a week seasonally.

MIflyer12 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:20 pm

Jshank83 wrote:

This factors in for sure, WN is a beast at STL (60%+ of all traffic) compared to others trying to gain a share. Plus with AA being solid number 2 and AS being their partner, I am not sure if much is left for DL on that route. SEA was year round daily on WN prior to covid. MCI had it seasonally. At the moment they both get it 1x a week seasonally.

WN does have dominant share at STL, but I don't even find n/s STL-SEA on Mondays over the next month. AA is strictly AS codeshare. DL doesn't compete to every AS destination out of SEA but it has shown it's willing to compete.

Jshank83 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:59 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

This factors in for sure, WN is a beast at STL (60%+ of all traffic) compared to others trying to gain a share. Plus with AA being solid number 2 and AS being their partner, I am not sure if much is left for DL on that route. SEA was year round daily on WN prior to covid. MCI had it seasonally. At the moment they both get it 1x a week seasonally.

WN does have dominant share at STL, but I don't even find n/s STL-SEA on Mondays over the next month. AA is strictly AS codeshare. DL doesn't compete to every AS destination out of SEA but it has shown it's willing to compete.

WN STL-SEA is weekend only during summer since covid.

Also, back to MCI and Delta. MCI/BNA are about the only mid sized cites besides DL kept east of the Rockies that isn't a hub, focus city, or vacation spot. Everything else has been cut. So they have been cutting back in the midwest/east, not adding from SEA, which is why I am not surprised STL isn't added.

evank516 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:31 pm

trexel94 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
psa1011 wrote:

Out of curiosity, I notice that DL does not fly STL-LAX/SEA. Both MCI and STL have competition from WN. Is there just less demand for STL these days?

I have no clue at all, I only see schedule changes and stuff when it gets posted here.

AA also flies STL-LAX. Just swap out AA for DL at MCI and its roughly same service parallel.

AA services STL-BOS while DL serves MCI-BOS

AA has two mainline frequencies on LGA-STL too with the other two being RJs. LGA-MCI is all RJs on AA, which honestly makes sense for them. They haven't been a big player on NYC-MCI in the last decade and have been in and out of the market.

Midwestindy · Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:09 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

This factors in for sure, WN is a beast at STL (60%+ of all traffic) compared to others trying to gain a share. Plus with AA being solid number 2 and AS being their partner, I am not sure if much is left for DL on that route. SEA was year round daily on WN prior to covid. MCI had it seasonally. At the moment they both get it 1x a week seasonally.

WN does have dominant share at STL, but I don't even find n/s STL-SEA on Mondays over the next month. AA is strictly AS codeshare. DL doesn't compete to every AS destination out of SEA but it has shown it's willing to compete.

WN STL-SEA is weekend only during summer since covid.

Also, back to MCI and Delta. MCI/BNA are about the only mid sized cites besides DL kept east of the Rockies that isn't a hub, focus city, or vacation spot. Everything else has been cut. So they have been cutting back in the midwest/east, not adding from SEA, which is why I am not surprised STL isn't added.

MCI was the HQ for Sprint before the merger with T-Mobile (US HQ in Seattle area), hence the interest.

Delta was supposed to make it 2x daily in the summer of 2020, on top of WN's & AS's service, for context

Magnum9 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:00 pm

flymco753 wrote:
DL is adding a Saturday 717 flight between DTW and VPS beginning in June. Good use for a 717 when the schedule dips on Saturdays.

Curious why DL would add service to VPS in June. As someone who grew up in the FL panhandle not that far from VPS I can tell you firsthand it’s unbearable this time of year anywhere in the FL panhandle. Meanwhile, June is beautiful in Michigan and Michigan has beautiful lakes and beaches along Lake Michigan. Meanwhile, VPS is hot & humid as hell, it’s well into Hurricane season and the beaches and water start to turn horrid brown because of the constant intense afternoon thunderstorms. The season to add service for VPS is Feb-May.

evank516 · Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:08 pm

Noticed LGA-DAL has been axed before it started. LAX-DAL still begins June 5.

Edit: Here's an article. LAX-DAL will now be 3x https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-cut ... las-route/

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