FlyinRabbit88 wrote:

December17 wrote:

I don’t know of any crew that wouldn’t adjust their showtime/van for yvr-jfk if it’s running late. You have 6 hours notice to whether is coming on time or not and we adjust van times all the time, most especially for red-eyes.

Lol not that simple, many times crews won’t know about the delays because we are sleeping to prepare for that midnight departure, or CS won’t adjust the van time with the limo company for “insert reason” (used to be able to talk with the limo company but now they won’t do anything unless CS gives approval). With 117 rules you can’t just say oh we see the flight left out late, we are now going to adjust your show time and put you back into rest. I mean you could, but that requires interrupting rest and potentially resetting the 10 hour clock for rest.

December17 wrote:

I don’t know of any crew that wouldn’t adjust their showtime/van for yvr-jfk if it’s running late. You have 6 hours notice to whether is coming on time or not and we adjust van times all the time, most especially for red-eyes.

CRMCPILOT31 wrote:

Does anyone know why Jetblue has not started SAP operations? They announced it in April 2021.....

CobaltScar wrote:

December17 wrote:

I don’t know of any crew that wouldn’t adjust their showtime/van for yvr-jfk if it’s running late. You have 6 hours notice to whether is coming on time or not and we adjust van times all the time, most especially for red-eyes.

If its going to make you illegal and force another layover with extra pay, no one is going to call CS and ask for a later report.

SoCalFlyer wrote:

The JFK-YVR flight has been plagued with delay issues pretty much since its inception, as some have mentioned here. For instance, in the summertime, the cabin crew would operate JFK-YVR-JFK as a turnaround all-night flight. That has changed for the winter and the cabin crew now stays overnight in YVR. This is because of winter weather, de-icing, or anything like that, that would cause the flight to be late and exceed duty limitations. Allegedly this flight will be going to MINT also is the rumor.

December17 wrote:

CobaltScar wrote:

December17 wrote:

I don’t know of any crew that wouldn’t adjust their showtime/van for yvr-jfk if it’s running late. You have 6 hours notice to whether is coming on time or not and we adjust van times all the time, most especially for red-eyes.

If its going to make you illegal and force another layover with extra pay, no one is going to call CS and ask for a later report.

I’m not understanding you. You think crews want an additional layover just for the extra pay? Or you’re saying calling is going to make you illegal? Neither make sense.

hbernal1 wrote:

Looks like we have starting dates for the routes announced last month:
LGA-NAS starts 3/30
LGA-ATL/BDA/HYA start 5/5
BOS-YVR starts 6/15

Link to tweet:
https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/161 ... hj7puuIXTg

santi319 wrote:

hbernal1 wrote:

Looks like we have starting dates for the routes announced last month:
LGA-NAS starts 3/30
LGA-ATL/BDA/HYA start 5/5
BOS-YVR starts 6/15

Link to tweet:
https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/161 ... hj7puuIXTg

No Paris date yet? They announced it for S23 and yet nothing..

tphuang wrote:

CRMCPILOT31 wrote:

Does anyone know why Jetblue has not started SAP operations? They announced it in April 2021.....

probably because they are cheap and are waiting to merge with NK (who already has a station there)

tphuang wrote:

this continues to sound not all that impressive if you think about it. Just 200 departures from BOS combined from B6 and AA? Looks like they are short on planes for the summer time again.

Also, they are doing 4x on LGA-ATL, which is how much AA is flying there right now. I don't see how they are not taking over this route from AA. Based on some of the other schedule changes, I think some of the other flying like LGA-BOS/BNA are reduced to fund this. So maybe the two are spreading those slots around to cover more routes.

spinkid wrote:

You would think B6 wouldn't schedule the inbound from the Caribbean but somewhere closer like Florida to avoid issues of timing YVR today.

B6 has struggled initially with so many of their Midwestern additions. I remember CMH failing, as well as their first attempt at ATL.. New York and Los Angeles still have strong frequent flyer bases in midwest cities with Delta, AA and UA, even WN.. Places like OMA, MCI, OKC are plenty full of them..

I also noticed in addition to
HPN-MCO going 3 to 4
HPN-RSW going 2 to 1
there is also
HPN-PBI going 6 to 4 (All 320) JFK will go 5 to 3, BOS 4-3, LGA 3-2 and EWR 3-2
HPN-FLL stays at 3

Its pretty Amazing that Palm Beach-HPN doubles the much larger stations in terms of capacity in both seasons. I've seen as many as 7 per day around holidays. It does make sense as this is the most popular area for the local snowbirds.

tphuang wrote:

this continues to sound not all that impressive if you think about it. Just 200 departures from BOS combined from B6 and AA? Looks like they are short on planes for the summer time again.

Also, they are doing 4x on LGA-ATL, which is how much AA is flying there right now. I don't see how they are not taking over this route from AA. Based on some of the other schedule changes, I think some of the other flying like LGA-BOS/BNA are reduced to fund this. So maybe the two are spreading those slots around to cover more routes.

BlueBaller wrote:

LAX-PVR beginning 6/15/23

hiflyeras wrote:

BlueBaller wrote:

LAX-PVR beginning 6/15/23

Dumbest route add ever. Already flown by AA, AS, DL, NK and UA. But with their merger they’d be replacing NK on the list. Still…

adamh8297 wrote:

hiflyeras wrote:

BlueBaller wrote:

LAX-PVR beginning 6/15/23

Dumbest route add ever. Already flown by AA, AS, DL, NK and UA. But with their merger they’d be replacing NK on the list. Still…

Sometimes you have to serve popular saturated routes if you want to grow a focus city.

beertrucker wrote:

spinkid wrote:

You would think B6 wouldn't schedule the inbound from the Caribbean but somewhere closer like Florida to avoid issues of timing YVR today.

B6 has struggled initially with so many of their Midwestern additions. I remember CMH failing, as well as their first attempt at ATL.. New York and Los Angeles still have strong frequent flyer bases in midwest cities with Delta, AA and UA, even WN.. Places like OMA, MCI, OKC are plenty full of them..

I also noticed in addition to
HPN-MCO going 3 to 4
HPN-RSW going 2 to 1
there is also
HPN-PBI going 6 to 4 (All 320) JFK will go 5 to 3, BOS 4-3, LGA 3-2 and EWR 3-2
HPN-FLL stays at 3

Its pretty Amazing that Palm Beach-HPN doubles the much larger stations in terms of capacity in both seasons. I've seen as many as 7 per day around holidays. It does make sense as this is the most popular area for the local snowbirds.

Yes CMH failed. however I think part of it was a the time most people did not want to travel to JFK to transfer to other locations. I think if B6 could open a Midwest base or something to make transfers easier they would do real well in CMH. I am scared that when they merge with Spirit they will pull out of CMH again.

hiflyeras wrote:

BlueBaller wrote:

LAX-PVR beginning 6/15/23

Dumbest route add ever. Already flown by AA, AS, DL, NK and UA. But with their merger they’d be replacing NK on the list. Still…

SoCalFlyer wrote:

Any ideas on what Jetblue will do with the 4 new MINT configured NEOs coming this year? Those 4 frames should allow for some decent expansion. I think Hawaii gets announced with MINT and YVR.

sfojvjets wrote:

SoCalFlyer wrote:

Any ideas on what Jetblue will do with the 4 new MINT configured NEOs coming this year? Those 4 frames should allow for some decent expansion. I think Hawaii gets announced with MINT and YVR.

They don't even fly the new Mint seats to SFO yet... old Mint (especially the hard product) is falling behind. People including me have been saying that B6 will launch Hawaii every year since 2020 at this point, so I honestly don't think it'll happen this year if it didn't happen in the past three years. I just don't think it's a priority for them anymore. Airbus deliveries have been really slow, but maybe they'll jump into the market after the NK merger goes through. That might free up more planes for Hawaii service.

doulasc wrote:

beertrucker wrote:

spinkid wrote:

You would think B6 wouldn't schedule the inbound from the Caribbean but somewhere closer like Florida to avoid issues of timing YVR today.

B6 has struggled initially with so many of their Midwestern additions. I remember CMH failing, as well as their first attempt at ATL.. New York and Los Angeles still have strong frequent flyer bases in midwest cities with Delta, AA and UA, even WN.. Places like OMA, MCI, OKC are plenty full of them..

I also noticed in addition to
HPN-MCO going 3 to 4
HPN-RSW going 2 to 1
there is also
HPN-PBI going 6 to 4 (All 320) JFK will go 5 to 3, BOS 4-3, LGA 3-2 and EWR 3-2
HPN-FLL stays at 3

Its pretty Amazing that Palm Beach-HPN doubles the much larger stations in terms of capacity in both seasons. I've seen as many as 7 per day around holidays. It does make sense as this is the most popular area for the local snowbirds.

Yes CMH failed. however I think part of it was a the time most people did not want to travel to JFK to transfer to other locations. I think if B6 could open a Midwest base or something to make transfers easier they would do real well in CMH. I am scared that when they merge with Spirit they will pull out of CMH again.

I live in CMH and I also question will JetBlue stay in CMH.

phluser wrote:

doulasc wrote:

beertrucker wrote:

Yes CMH failed. however I think part of it was a the time most people did not want to travel to JFK to transfer to other locations. I think if B6 could open a Midwest base or something to make transfers easier they would do real well in CMH. I am scared that when they merge with Spirit they will pull out of CMH again.

I live in CMH and I also question will JetBlue stay in CMH.

Columbus is the fastest growing city in the Midwest and also home to Ohio State University. Columbus would seem to fit back in well, and I could see CMH-BOS added too.

I feel JetBlue might cut markets like ACY and essentially leave that business to Allegiant or Avelo, but more inclined to serve CMH and IND from Spirit’s network.

tphuang wrote:

this continues to sound not all that impressive if you think about it. Just 200 departures from BOS combined from B6 and AA? Looks like they are short on planes for the summer time again.

B6JFKH81 wrote:

tphuang wrote:

this continues to sound not all that impressive if you think about it. Just 200 departures from BOS combined from B6 and AA? Looks like they are short on planes for the summer time again.

Yes, if you have been following the Airbus deliveries, the amount of A220s and A321s being delivered by Airbus are falling short of original planned delivery schedule, thus less planes entering the fleet than expected. Add too that the aircraft retirements which start this year, both A320s and E190s, you simply can't expand like gangbusters as service would only get reduced or suspended until the aircraft needed to actually operate those flights gets delivered. So, yes, there will be a deficit in aircraft.

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

tphuang wrote:

this continues to sound not all that impressive if you think about it. Just 200 departures from BOS combined from B6 and AA? Looks like they are short on planes for the summer time again.

Yes, if you have been following the Airbus deliveries, the amount of A220s and A321s being delivered by Airbus are falling short of original planned delivery schedule, thus less planes entering the fleet than expected. Add too that the aircraft retirements which start this year, both A320s and E190s, you simply can't expand like gangbusters as service would only get reduced or suspended until the aircraft needed to actually operate those flights gets delivered. So, yes, there will be a deficit in aircraft.

All the E190s that are being parked (not the lease returns) could at least partially fill the capacity shortfall—especially in BOS. I know they want to get rid of them as soon as possible but I’m kind of surprised they didn’t extend some 190 retirements a little longer til the 220 deliveries catch up.

B6JFKH81 wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

Yes, if you have been following the Airbus deliveries, the amount of A220s and A321s being delivered by Airbus are falling short of original planned delivery schedule, thus less planes entering the fleet than expected. Add too that the aircraft retirements which start this year, both A320s and E190s, you simply can't expand like gangbusters as service would only get reduced or suspended until the aircraft needed to actually operate those flights gets delivered. So, yes, there will be a deficit in aircraft.

All the E190s that are being parked (not the lease returns) could at least partially fill the capacity shortfall—especially in BOS. I know they want to get rid of them as soon as possible but I’m kind of surprised they didn’t extend some 190 retirements a little longer til the 220 deliveries catch up.

The amount of time and money to keep the older ones flying (from an HMV standpoint, at least) is insane at this point. There are just so many issues being discovered as these planes continue to age, and to rectify the issues takes a huge amount of time, engineering, parts, resources...and money. The older frames need to go.... yesterday. I dread going to QRO to work the 190s, it is nothing but expensive headaches.

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

All the E190s that are being parked (not the lease returns) could at least partially fill the capacity shortfall—especially in BOS. I know they want to get rid of them as soon as possible but I’m kind of surprised they didn’t extend some 190 retirements a little longer til the 220 deliveries catch up.

The amount of time and money to keep the older ones flying (from an HMV standpoint, at least) is insane at this point. There are just so many issues being discovered as these planes continue to age, and to rectify the issues takes a huge amount of time, engineering, parts, resources...and money. The older frames need to go.... yesterday. I dread going to QRO to work the 190s, it is nothing but expensive headaches.

Yeah I don’t disagree, but, losing market share, being unable to fulfill NEA obligations (or, if doing so is at the expense of an other focus city), could also be expensive in the long run.

Also, I sure hope the 220s don’t end up like this in 15 years. The way they’ve started out doesn’t inspire much confidence.

evank516 wrote:

phluser wrote:

doulasc wrote:

I live in CMH and I also question will JetBlue stay in CMH.

Columbus is the fastest growing city in the Midwest and also home to Ohio State University. Columbus would seem to fit back in well, and I could see CMH-BOS added too.

I feel JetBlue might cut markets like ACY and essentially leave that business to Allegiant or Avelo, but more inclined to serve CMH and IND from Spirit’s network.

B6 has a history of reopening previously closed stations, at least domestically. In fact, I believe at one point they had re-opened all stations that they had previously closed with the exception of CMH. They did it with ATL and BNA so I could see CMH sticking around if done the right way. A quick check of Wikipedia (not the best source, I know) shows the following stations (50 US States) that were closed by B6:
ANC
LGB (moved ops to LAX)
OAK
IAD
DAB
BOI
FCA
CMH*
HOU (moved to IAH)

All in all some of these destinations here are probabaly justified, but I could see at least half of these being reopened after the integration depending on the network structure. I would think that stations like ANC, OAK, IAD, DAB, and CMH could probably be retried once enough A223s are on hand as the E190s and A320s probably were not the most cost effective airplanes to run on these routes.

ctavgeek33 wrote:

Random question...how in gods name does HPN-PBI support 6 daily flights? Way more than any other flight from HPN...seems odd.

SurfandSnow wrote:

ctavgeek33 wrote:

Random question...how in gods name does HPN-PBI support 6 daily flights? Way more than any other flight from HPN...seems odd.

Follow the demand, of course!

The eastern (Atlantic) coast of Florida tends to cater to folks visiting or relocating from the East Coast, while the Sunshine State's western (Gulf of Mexico) coast predominantly does the same for tourists and transplants from the Midwest. The state's panhandle truly feels like a different state altogether, since it has long been a preferred destination for folks in the South. It has been this way for decades, and can help to explain why you see so much service on routes like MSP-RSW or HPN-PBI, whilst missions like ORD-PBI or ISP-RSW are challenging to pull off.

phluser wrote:

evank516 wrote:

phluser wrote:

Columbus is the fastest growing city in the Midwest and also home to Ohio State University. Columbus would seem to fit back in well, and I could see CMH-BOS added too.

I feel JetBlue might cut markets like ACY and essentially leave that business to Allegiant or Avelo, but more inclined to serve CMH and IND from Spirit’s network.

B6 has a history of reopening previously closed stations, at least domestically. In fact, I believe at one point they had re-opened all stations that they had previously closed with the exception of CMH. They did it with ATL and BNA so I could see CMH sticking around if done the right way. A quick check of Wikipedia (not the best source, I know) shows the following stations (50 US States) that were closed by B6:
ANC
LGB (moved ops to LAX)
OAK
IAD
DAB
BOI
FCA
CMH*
HOU (moved to IAH)

All in all some of these destinations here are probabaly justified, but I could see at least half of these being reopened after the integration depending on the network structure. I would think that stations like ANC, OAK, IAD, DAB, and CMH could probably be retried once enough A223s are on hand as the E190s and A320s probably were not the most cost effective airplanes to run on these routes.

CMH would make a good fit in the B6 network, as it is a primary airport of its region unserved by B6. It's also in sequence after PIT and CLE in serving the eastern side of the Midwest distance wise, and a CMH-BOS flight would strengthen the BOS network.

OAK is another airport that will probably go at least during the short term. B6 will want to move OAK-LAS over to SFO-LAS pronto by moving Spirit over to SFO then integrating it later to B6, like how WN moved AirTran into Southwest markets that didn't have AirTran, kiboshed AirTran cities. Keeping CMH would be like how CLT was to Southwest, kept open.

ctavgeek33 wrote:

Random question...how in gods name does HPN-PBI support 6 daily flights? Way more than any other flight from HPN...seems odd.

N766UA wrote:

ctavgeek33 wrote:

Random question...how in gods name does HPN-PBI support 6 daily flights? Way more than any other flight from HPN...seems odd.

Everyone who lives in HPN also lives in PBI, that's how. I'm 70% serious; that flight is gangbusters.

Brianpr3 wrote:

N766UA wrote:

ctavgeek33 wrote:

Random question...how in gods name does HPN-PBI support 6 daily flights? Way more than any other flight from HPN...seems odd.

Everyone who lives in HPN also lives in PBI, that's how. I'm 70% serious; that flight is gangbusters.

Hes right

Brianpr3 wrote:

N766UA wrote:

ctavgeek33 wrote:

Random question...how in gods name does HPN-PBI support 6 daily flights? Way more than any other flight from HPN...seems odd.

Everyone who lives in HPN also lives in PBI, that's how. I'm 70% serious; that flight is gangbusters.

Hes right

ahj2000 wrote:

Brianpr3 wrote:

N766UA wrote:

Everyone who lives in HPN also lives in PBI, that's how. I'm 70% serious; that flight is gangbusters.

Hes right

With super high fares for B6 too...dang

ahj2000 wrote:

Brianpr3 wrote:

N766UA wrote:

Everyone who lives in HPN also lives in PBI, that's how. I'm 70% serious; that flight is gangbusters.

Hes right

With super high fares for B6 too...dang

FARmd90 wrote:

With F9 adding new routes out of MCO. Will we see B6 try to defend its turf? Not all the routes that F9 added would make sense for B6 to add but some might.