I show #3293, #3294, #3296, #3297 were also in GUM service previously. Looks like maybe UA is swapping previous units back to GUM service, which seems to be standard with the last previous set of swaps.
Or, could it be UA is short of domestic units and using #3278 in domestic for a while. Flight Status may be a bit behind, but it shows seatback video and no WiFi for #3278.

752:
N17139 sked to ferry GSO-EWR 2695/16Mar to exit heavy maintenance (in GSO since 12/22/22):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N17139

N13138 sked to ferry EWR-GSO 2750/15Mar to enter heavy maintenance:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N13138

SgtBarone wrote:

752:
N17139 sked to ferry GSO-EWR 2695/16Mar to exit heavy maintenance (in GSO since 12/22/22):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N17139

N13138 sked to ferry EWR-GSO 2750/15Mar to enter heavy maintenance:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N13138

curious if they also get new Intl configuration.

CALTECH wrote:

calpsafltskeds wrote:

CALTECH, is that a swap with #3278, which seems to be in domestic service after CLE maint (was in GUM service)?

Not sure, or will it replaced one of the others? #278 converted back before Dec '22,....

#720, 734, 735, 736

#201, 227, 232, 235, 236, 240, 246, 249

What does the conversion between the GUM fleet and mainland entail? Is it just the crew rest seats in First?

MAX 8 new delivery:
N57299 sked to ferry BFI-RFD 2709/16Mar for induction:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N57 ... /KBFI/KRFD

320 paint:
N471UA sked to ferry ROW-MIA 2752/16Mar with EvoBlu livery:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N471UA

DreamDriver wrote:

SgtBarone wrote:

752:
N17139 sked to ferry GSO-EWR 2695/16Mar to exit heavy maintenance (in GSO since 12/22/22):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N17139

N13138 sked to ferry EWR-GSO 2750/15Mar to enter heavy maintenance:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N13138

curious if they also get new Intl configuration.

Looks like it’s the New 75S configuration. Glad to see United speeding up the reconfigs on the 757.

jonahsachs wrote:

What does the conversion between the GUM fleet and mainland entail? Is it just the crew rest seats in First?

Over in this other thread LAXintl says this:

Different satcom, dual HF, nitrogen generating system, spares kit, crew rest seat, additional medical kit, supplemental oxygen, some galley differences

And TWA772LR says this:

As well as the exit signs being Japanese/English instead of English/Spanish.

And CALTECH says this:

Along with some of the changes noted above, the big ones were,

Seat pitch and rows changed.
Cargo fuselage insulation removed, plastic ' egg crates ' installed in it's place.
DirecTV Deactivated.
IIRC it took about a week to complete.

adamblang wrote:

jonahsachs wrote:

What does the conversion between the GUM fleet and mainland entail? Is it just the crew rest seats in First?

Over in this other thread LAXintl says this:

Different satcom, dual HF, nitrogen generating system, spares kit, crew rest seat, additional medical kit, supplemental oxygen, some galley differences

And TWA772LR says this:

As well as the exit signs being Japanese/English instead of English/Spanish.

And CALTECH says this:

Along with some of the changes noted above, the big ones were,

Seat pitch and rows changed.
Cargo fuselage insulation removed, plastic ' egg crates ' installed in it's place.
DirecTV Deactivated.
IIRC it took about a week to complete.

Adds a nitrogen generating system or removes it? I thought they all had them, at least built after a certain year?

adamblang wrote:

jonahsachs wrote:

What does the conversion between the GUM fleet and mainland entail? Is it just the crew rest seats in First?

Over in this other thread LAXintl says this:

Different satcom, dual HF, nitrogen generating system, spares kit, crew rest seat, additional medical kit, supplemental oxygen, some galley differences

And TWA772LR says this:

As well as the exit signs being Japanese/English instead of English/Spanish.

And CALTECH says this:

Along with some of the changes noted above, the big ones were,

Seat pitch and rows changed.
Cargo fuselage insulation removed, plastic ' egg crates ' installed in it's place.
DirecTV Deactivated.
IIRC it took about a week to complete.

Interesting, a lot of changes I wouldn’t expect.
Why do they bother using a fleet that consists of DirecTV planes when it won’t work? Why not use 738s without TVs?

calpsafltskeds wrote:

I show #3293, #3294, #3296, #3297 were also in GUM service previously. Looks like maybe UA is swapping previous units back to GUM service, which seems to be standard with the last previous set of swaps.
Or, could it be UA is short of domestic units and using #3278 in domestic for a while. Flight Status may be a bit behind, but it shows seatback video and no WiFi for #3278.

UA has been cycling frames through GUM every few years or so. The GBO is a high-corrosion environment. The first batch of 738s that went to Guam stayed there for over a decade, some even longer, and came back for heavy maintenance visits in the States with much more advanced corrosion than 737s of similar vintage operating around the USA. In 2017 or so, United started cycling those 738s back to the mainland and replaced them with other frames. It looks like United is starting to do another round of 738 swaps.

It's not to say operating in Guam is unsafe, but it makes sense to spread out the exposure to that environment across the wider fleet so there isn't a batch of 737s that have more significant corrosion problems (and thus more expensive to maintain) than the rest of the fleet.

Even though the DirecTV satellite is deactivated, the IFE system remains on the airplane and plays a few channels of looping video on the seatback screens.

codc10 wrote:

It's not to say operating in Guam is unsafe, but it makes sense to spread out the exposure to that environment across the wider fleet so there isn't a batch of 737s that have more significant corrosion problems (and thus more expensive to maintain) than the rest of the fleet.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it also be better on cycles, in terms of average load anyways.
If you're a long-distance flying 737 (mainly just making runs between Guam and Japan), and you have to contend with corrosion in GUM, wouldn't total utilization of said frame with advanced corrosion significantly increase the utilization costs?

Additionally, if you're an island-hopping 737 (heading to Yap, Saipan or Koror as well), don't you then have the issue with a much higher rate of cycles, basically meaning you're killing your frame quickly?

UAX Update:

ZW CR2:
N409AW entered CAE
N425AW returned to flying UAX
N451AW entered ATW
N456ZW returned to flying UAX
N459AW entered TUS
N454AW exited row, now Floater unit in Air Wis House livery
N452AW entered FTW

763 mod:
N644UA ferrying IAH-HNL-GUM-HKG for Premium Plus install:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N644UA

SgtBarone wrote:

763 mod:
N644UA ferrying IAH-HNL-GUM-HKG for Premium Plus install:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N644UA

maybe they bring N76062 home from HKG. Seems to be about 1.5-2 months out there for the mod.
4 763 without mod, 4 in mod, 29 completed mod, 8 764 without mod, 5 in mod, 3 completed mod.

DreamDriver wrote:

SgtBarone wrote:

763 mod:
N644UA ferrying IAH-HNL-GUM-HKG for Premium Plus install:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N644UA

maybe they bring N76062 home from HKG. Seems to be about 1.5-2 months out there for the mod.
4 763 without mod, 4 in mod, 29 completed mod, 8 764 without mod, 5 in mod, 3 completed mod.

Wow, finally coming down the home stretch on the program... a year or two later than anticipated but a major cabin retrofit project on 142 widebodies in just shy of 6 years (not counting the 55 frames delivered with the new interiors, but including N646UA which got the mod but was retired due to corrosion), which covered a roughly 14-month shutdown during a global pandemic and temporary financial crisis in the airline industry, is still noteworthy.

codc10 wrote:

DreamDriver wrote:

SgtBarone wrote:

763 mod:
N644UA ferrying IAH-HNL-GUM-HKG for Premium Plus install:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N644UA

maybe they bring N76062 home from HKG. Seems to be about 1.5-2 months out there for the mod.
4 763 without mod, 4 in mod, 29 completed mod, 8 764 without mod, 5 in mod, 3 completed mod.

Wow, finally coming down the home stretch on the program... a year or two later than anticipated but a major cabin retrofit project on 142 widebodies in just shy of 6 years (not counting the 55 frames delivered with the new interiors, but including N646UA which got the mod but was retired due to corrosion), which covered a roughly 14-month shutdown during a global pandemic and temporary financial crisis in the airline industry, is still noteworthy.

For sure. I watch the slower rate of EvoBlu painting lately (only 3 a/c are being painted as of today), but the company is sinking a lot of time and cash into interiors. Customers really like the new mods from what I can see. But from a 764 fleet that was asleep 1.5 years ago to back in the air and half modified is pretty good.

N656UA is going to exit HKG

DreamDriver wrote:

SgtBarone wrote:

763 mod:
N644UA ferrying IAH-HNL-GUM-HKG for Premium Plus install:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N644UA

maybe they bring N76062 home from HKG. Seems to be about 1.5-2 months out there for the mod.
4 763 without mod, 4 in mod, 29 completed mod, 8 764 without mod, 5 in mod, 3 completed mod.

UAX Update:

Air Wis CR2:
N409AW returned to flying UAX
N417AW ferried SLW (likely to be sold, will followup when I confirm)
N440AW entered FTW paint
N444ZW entered FTW paint
N455AW exited fleet, transferred AA
N460AW exited fleet, transferred AA

Skywest CR2:
N433SW parked at TUS
N466SW returned to flying UAX
N889AS parked TUS
N919SW parked TUS
N965SW parked TUS
N978SW parked TUS
N976SW (floater) parked TUS

calpsafltskeds wrote:

CALTECH, is that a swap with #3278, which seems to be in domestic service after CLE maint (was in GUM service)?

No swapping, an additional GBO unit is scheduled to enter the fleet which would be 294. 9 units compared to current 8. Next swap between GBO units is scheduled for summer 2024.

Ship 278 is waiting for a slot in CLE to undergo a B check. The aircraft currently in that slot is currently delayed in maintenance.

Paint update
772
N794UA has exited AMA paint with Evo blue livery and ferried to DEN F2727/18 Mar

Cmac787 wrote:

Paint update
772
N794UA has exited AMA paint with Evo blue livery and ferried to DEN F2727/18 Mar

EvoBlue? Wasn’t this Star Alliance? Did they really just axe another SA livery? Wow. Wish it was kept and repainted like N653UA was.

Thank God!

The SA paint job looks like the generic beer can in the market.
Cheap design, font, and non-marketable.

Looks like a "rush job" that had to be done at 1700 on a Friday, and it's 1649.

MDC862 wrote:

Thank God!

The SA paint job looks like the generic beer can in the market.
Cheap design, font, and non-marketable.

Looks like a "rush job" that had to be done at 1700 on a Friday, and it's 1649.

In my professional opinion, the SA design looks good in printed material etc - and the livery and signage was shoehorned onto an aircraft and signage. That’s why they have had to bold-up the typography. I agree it looks way too plain. I like the tail enough but it there is still a far better brand identity out there. If it mattered much it would have been redesigned already!

VC10er wrote:

MDC862 wrote:

Thank God!

The SA paint job looks like the generic beer can in the market.
Cheap design, font, and non-marketable.

Looks like a "rush job" that had to be done at 1700 on a Friday, and it's 1649.

In my professional opinion, the SA design looks good in printed material etc - and the livery and signage was shoehorned onto an aircraft and signage. That’s why they have had to bold-up the typography. I agree it looks way too plain. I like the tail enough but it there is still a far better brand identity out there. If it mattered much it would have been redesigned already!

Yes, rather like the "Air Generic" joke passed between myself and colleagues many years ago. Of course, we had a thin black cheet line.

Who remembers the black on white generic food at U.S. markets?

Velocirapture wrote:

VC10er wrote:

MDC862 wrote:

Thank God!

The SA paint job looks like the generic beer can in the market.
Cheap design, font, and non-marketable.

Looks like a "rush job" that had to be done at 1700 on a Friday, and it's 1649.

In my professional opinion, the SA design looks good in printed material etc - and the livery and signage was shoehorned onto an aircraft and signage. That’s why they have had to bold-up the typography. I agree it looks way too plain. I like the tail enough but it there is still a far better brand identity out there. If it mattered much it would have been redesigned already!

Yes, rather like the "Air Generic" joke passed between myself and colleagues many years ago. Of course, we had a thin black cheet line.

Who remembers the black on white generic food at U.S. markets?

I remember generic packaged goods that were white with “Coffee” In helvética medium!
Could be fun to have an all white airplane with “Airline” in black helvética. Lowest fares possible.
Star Allie is almost there- just need to change the name!

So far, as of 06 Feb 23...



94 737-MAX8s

7251 737MAX-8 43931 N27251 8035 2021
.
.
.
7320 737MAX-8 67576 N17320 8715 2023
7321 737MAX-8 67577 N17321 8736 2023
7322 737MAX-8 67575 N17322 8744 2023
7323 737MAX-8 67574 N27323 8754 2023
7324 737MAX-8 67604 N37324 8758 2023
7325 737MAX-8 67573 N37325 8777 2023
7326 737MAX-8 67580 N17326 8781 2023
7327 737MAX-8 67582 N17327 8784 2023
7328 737MAX-8 67583 N17328 8791 2023
7329 737MAX-8 67581 N17329 8798 2023
7330 737MAX-8 67588 N47330 8804 2023
7331 737MAX-8 67589 N17331 8809 2023
7332 737MAX-8 67586 N47332 8810 2023
7333 737MAX-8 67587 N17333 8813 2023
7334 737MAX-8 67594 N27334 8815 2023
7335 737MAX-8 67595 N17335 8819 2023
7336 737MAX-8 67592 N17336 8820 2023
7337 737MAX-8 67593 N17337 8823 2023
7338 737MAX-8 67599 N17338 8824 2023
7339 737MAX-8 67601 N17339 8832 2023
7340 737MAX-8 67600 N47340 8841 2023
7341 737MAX-8 67605 N17341 8848 2023
7342 737MAX-8 67606 N37342 8854 2023
7343 737MAX-8 67607 N47343 8855 2023
7344 737MAX-8 67622 N17344 8864 2023



79 737 MAX9s

7501 737MAX-9 43430 N67501 6834 2018
.
.
.

7574 737MAX-9 67608 N17574 8718 2023
7575 737MAX-9 67609 N77575 8734 2023
7576 737MAX-9 67610 N77576 8740 2023
7577 737MAX-9 67615 N37577 8752 2023
7578 737MAX-9 67613 N77578 8783 TBD
7579 737MAX-9 67614 N77579 8792 TBD



737 MAX10s, Regular and PS

7601 737MAX-10 43508 N37601 8495 2021
7602 737MAX-10 43510 N27602 8634 2023
7603 737MAX-10 43512 N67603 8668 2023
7604 737MAX-10 43511 N57604 8698 2023
7605 737MAX-10 43513 N37605 8725 2023
7606 737MAX-10 43514 N17606 8749 2023
7607 737MAX-10 43515 N37607 8771 2023
7608 737MAX-10 67170 N27608 8795 2023
7609 737MAX-10 67171 N27609 8807 2023
7610 737MAX-10 43516 N27610 8846 2023
7611 737MAX-10 43517 N27611 8883 2023
7612 737MAX-10 43518 N27612 8942 TBD
7613 737MAX-10 TBD N27613 TBD TBD
7614 737MAX-10 TBD N27614 TBD TBD
7615 737MAX-10 TBD N37615 TBD TBD
7616 737MAX-10 TBD N27616 TBD TBD
7617 737MAX-10 TBD N77617 TBD TBD
7618 737MAX-10 TBD N57618 TBD TBD
7619 737MAX-10 TBD N17619 TBD TBD
7620 737MAX-10 TBD N17620 TBD TBD
7621 737MAX-10 TBD N27621 TBD TBD
7622 737MAX-10 TBD N17622 TBD TBD
7623 737MAX-10 TBD N17623 TBD TBD
7624 737MAX-10 TBD N27624 TBD TBD
7625 737MAX-10 TBD N27625 TBD TBD
7626 737MAX-10 TBD N27626 TBD TBD
7627 737MAX-10 TBD N17627 TBD TBD
7628 737MAX-10 TBD N37628 TBD TBD
7629 737MAX-10 TBD N27629 TBD TBD
7630 737MAX-10 TBD N37630 TBD TBD
7631 737MAX-10 TBD N27631 TBD TBD
7632 737MAX-10 TBD N37632 TBD TBD
7633 737MAX-10 TBD N27633 TBD TBD
7634 737MAX-10 TBD N37634 TBD TBD
7635 737MAX-10 TBD N27635 TBD TBD
7636 737MAX-10 TBD N27636 TBD TBD
7637 737MAX-10 TBD N27637 TBD TBD
7638 737MAX-10 TBD N17638 TBD TBD

7701 737MAX-10 TBD N37701 TBD TBD
7751 737MAX-10 66122 N27751 7644 2019
7752 737MAX-10 66123 N27752 7705 2019
7753 737MAX-10 66118 N27753 7935 2021



A-321NXs
.
4501 A321NX 11500 N44501 TBD TBD
4502 A321NX 11598 N14502 TBD TBD
4503 A321NX 11599 N14503 TBD TBD
4504 A321NX 11708 N14504 TBD TBD
4505 A321NX 11661 N24505 TBD TBD
4506 A321NX 11680 N14506 TBD TBD
4507 A321NX 11846 N14507 TBD TBD
4508 A321NX 11706 N24508 TBD TBD
4509 A321NX TBD N14509 TBD TBD
4510 A321NX TBD N24510 TBD TBD
4511 A321NX TBD N14511 TBD TBD
4512 A321NX TBD N14512 TBD TBD
4513 A321NX TBD N24513 TBD TBD
4514 A321NX TBD N24514 TBD TBD
4515 A321NX TBD N14515 TBD TBD
4516 A321NX TBD N24516 TBD TBD
4517 A321NX TBD N14517 TBD TBD
4518 A321NX TBD N14518 TBD TBD
4519 A321NX TBD N24519 TBD TBD
4520 A321NX TBD N14520 TBD TBD

CALTECH wrote:

So far, as of 06 Feb 23...



94 737-MAX8s

7251 737MAX-8 43931 N27251 8035 2021
.
.
.
7320 737MAX-8 67576 N17320 8715 2023
7321 737MAX-8 67577 N17321 8736 2023
7322 737MAX-8 67575 N17322 8744 2023
7323 737MAX-8 67574 N27323 8754 2023
7324 737MAX-8 67604 N37324 8758 2023
7325 737MAX-8 67573 N37325 8777 2023
7326 737MAX-8 67580 N17326 8781 2023
7327 737MAX-8 67582 N17327 8784 2023
7328 737MAX-8 67583 N17328 8791 2023
7329 737MAX-8 67581 N17329 8798 2023
7330 737MAX-8 67588 N47330 8804 2023
7331 737MAX-8 67589 N17331 8809 2023
7332 737MAX-8 67586 N47332 8810 2023
7333 737MAX-8 67587 N17333 8813 2023
7334 737MAX-8 67594 N27334 8815 2023
7335 737MAX-8 67595 N17335 8819 2023
7336 737MAX-8 67592 N17336 8820 2023
7337 737MAX-8 67593 N17337 8823 2023
7338 737MAX-8 67599 N17338 8824 2023
7339 737MAX-8 67601 N17339 8832 2023
7340 737MAX-8 67600 N47340 8841 2023
7341 737MAX-8 67605 N17341 8848 2023
7342 737MAX-8 67606 N37342 8854 2023
7343 737MAX-8 67607 N47343 8855 2023
7344 737MAX-8 67622 N17344 8864 2023



79 737 MAX9s

7501 737MAX-9 43430 N67501 6834 2018
.
.
.

7574 737MAX-9 67608 N17574 8718 2023
7575 737MAX-9 67609 N77575 8734 2023
7576 737MAX-9 67610 N77576 8740 2023
7577 737MAX-9 67615 N37577 8752 2023
7578 737MAX-9 67613 N77578 8783 TBD
7579 737MAX-9 67614 N77579 8792 TBD



737 MAX10s, Regular and PS

7601 737MAX-10 43508 N37601 8495 2021
7602 737MAX-10 43510 N27602 8634 2023
7603 737MAX-10 43512 N67603 8668 2023
7604 737MAX-10 43511 N57604 8698 2023
7605 737MAX-10 43513 N37605 8725 2023
7606 737MAX-10 43514 N17606 8749 2023
7607 737MAX-10 43515 N37607 8771 2023
7608 737MAX-10 67170 N27608 8795 2023
7609 737MAX-10 67171 N27609 8807 2023
7610 737MAX-10 43516 N27610 8846 2023
7611 737MAX-10 43517 N27611 8883 2023
7612 737MAX-10 43518 N27612 8942 TBD
7613 737MAX-10 TBD N27613 TBD TBD
7614 737MAX-10 TBD N27614 TBD TBD
7615 737MAX-10 TBD N37615 TBD TBD
7616 737MAX-10 TBD N27616 TBD TBD
7617 737MAX-10 TBD N77617 TBD TBD
7618 737MAX-10 TBD N57618 TBD TBD
7619 737MAX-10 TBD N17619 TBD TBD
7620 737MAX-10 TBD N17620 TBD TBD
7621 737MAX-10 TBD N27621 TBD TBD
7622 737MAX-10 TBD N17622 TBD TBD
7623 737MAX-10 TBD N17623 TBD TBD
7624 737MAX-10 TBD N27624 TBD TBD
7625 737MAX-10 TBD N27625 TBD TBD
7626 737MAX-10 TBD N27626 TBD TBD
7627 737MAX-10 TBD N17627 TBD TBD
7628 737MAX-10 TBD N37628 TBD TBD
7629 737MAX-10 TBD N27629 TBD TBD
7630 737MAX-10 TBD N37630 TBD TBD
7631 737MAX-10 TBD N27631 TBD TBD
7632 737MAX-10 TBD N37632 TBD TBD
7633 737MAX-10 TBD N27633 TBD TBD
7634 737MAX-10 TBD N37634 TBD TBD
7635 737MAX-10 TBD N27635 TBD TBD
7636 737MAX-10 TBD N27636 TBD TBD
7637 737MAX-10 TBD N27637 TBD TBD
7638 737MAX-10 TBD N17638 TBD TBD

7701 737MAX-10 TBD N37701 TBD TBD
7751 737MAX-10 66122 N27751 7644 2019
7752 737MAX-10 66123 N27752 7705 2019
7753 737MAX-10 66118 N27753 7935 2021



A-321NXs
.
4501 A321NX 11500 N44501 TBD TBD
4502 A321NX 11598 N14502 TBD TBD
4503 A321NX 11599 N14503 TBD TBD
4504 A321NX 11708 N14504 TBD TBD
4505 A321NX 11661 N24505 TBD TBD
4506 A321NX 11680 N14506 TBD TBD
4507 A321NX 11846 N14507 TBD TBD
4508 A321NX 11706 N24508 TBD TBD
4509 A321NX TBD N14509 TBD TBD
4510 A321NX TBD N24510 TBD TBD
4511 A321NX TBD N14511 TBD TBD
4512 A321NX TBD N14512 TBD TBD
4513 A321NX TBD N24513 TBD TBD
4514 A321NX TBD N24514 TBD TBD
4515 A321NX TBD N14515 TBD TBD
4516 A321NX TBD N24516 TBD TBD
4517 A321NX TBD N14517 TBD TBD
4518 A321NX TBD N14518 TBD TBD
4519 A321NX TBD N24519 TBD TBD
4520 A321NX TBD N14520 TBD TBD

How many of the MAX8s and MAX9s have actually been delivered? The 94 + 79 is astonishing!

Seems like MAX 8s will overtake the MAX 9s very soon in fleet size. Pretty impressive delivery schedule for the MAX 8.

Max 8-N47288 GYR-PAE Mar 18th, likely close to delivery. 6 of 17 total white tails are left for delivery. 2 at GYR, 3 at YLW, and N47288 is now back at PAE.

MLIAA- On the deliveries, 40-ish Max 8s, and 54 Max 9s have been delivered.

I am still wondering…today transcons have many international WB’s with many Polaris seats. I don’t know if UA is filling them all with paying passengers but when they switch to the 737-10 won’t it be a huge drop in seats in the sky, especially First Lir flat seats? I assume that the frequencies will go way up too? Or, do we think that we will still see the 787-10 and 777 on transcons?

Wasnt 4001 A319 supposed to be done by now?

O23 wrote:

Wasnt 4001 A319 supposed to be done by now?

I believe the mod work is done, now awaiting supplemental type certification by the FAA.

VC10er wrote:

I am still wondering…today transcons have many international WB’s with many Polaris seats. I don’t know if UA is filling them all with paying passengers but when they switch to the 737-10 won’t it be a huge drop in seats in the sky, especially First Lir flat seats? I assume that the frequencies will go way up too? Or, do we think that we will still see the 787-10 and 777 on transcons?

As of now, most flights EWR-LAX/SFO are 777s or 787s with true Polaris seats. I am not expecting the widebodies to be replaced wholesale by the 737-10 on those routes, which have basically limitless demand. Rather, I think we'll see them on routes like (just spitballing) EWR-SAN/SEA/LAS/PHX/PDX, off-hour EWR-LAX/SFO, BOS-LAX/SFO, IAD-LAX/SAN/SFO and other markets where UA either competes with JetBlue Mint or can extract a premium for a lieflat product. Possibly some routes to the Caribbean, and if UA manages to secure JFK slots, on LAX/SFO routes there, too.

Keep in mind that as I understand it, the first 737-10s will be in a domestic configuration.

klasdillon wrote:

Cmac787 wrote:

Paint update
772
N794UA has exited AMA paint with Evo blue livery and ferried to DEN F2727/18 Mar

EvoBlue? Wasn’t this Star Alliance? Did they really just axe another SA livery? Wow. Wish it was kept and repainted like N653UA was.

Unless we see differently, I assume this one kept Star Alliance livery.

ikolkyo wrote:

Seems like MAX 8s will overtake the MAX 9s very soon in fleet size. Pretty impressive delivery schedule for the MAX 8.

This will only happen in November when the MAX 8 fleet will be of 81 while MAX 9 will be 79. There will be a 4 month pause in MAX 9 deliveries once it reaches 79.

codc10 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

I am still wondering…today transcons have many international WB’s with many Polaris seats. I don’t know if UA is filling them all with paying passengers but when they switch to the 737-10 won’t it be a huge drop in seats in the sky, especially First Lir flat seats? I assume that the frequencies will go way up too? Or, do we think that we will still see the 787-10 and 777 on transcons?

As of now, most flights EWR-LAX/SFO are 777s or 787s with true Polaris seats. I am not expecting the widebodies to be replaced wholesale by the 737-10 on those routes, which have basically limitless demand. Rather, I think we'll see them on routes like (just spitballing) EWR-SAN/SEA/LAS/PHX/PDX, off-hour EWR-LAX/SFO, BOS-LAX/SFO, IAD-LAX/SAN/SFO and other markets where UA either competes with JetBlue Mint or can extract a premium for a lieflat product. Possibly some routes to the Caribbean, and if UA manages to secure JFK slots, on LAX/SFO routes there, too.

Keep in mind that as I understand it, the first 737-10s will be in a domestic configuration.

The first 15 737-10s will be in lie-flat config. Domestic -10s will only come summer 2024. Lie-flats will allow for lower widebody usage on those ps routes and add more frequencies like pre covid where there were many ps757-200 frequencies between EWR-SFO/LAX.

As of right now there are only 20 -10s in lie flat configuration scheduled for delivery throughout 2024, while the rest are domestic.

boeingatchs wrote:

codc10 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

I am still wondering…today transcons have many international WB’s with many Polaris seats. I don’t know if UA is filling them all with paying passengers but when they switch to the 737-10 won’t it be a huge drop in seats in the sky, especially First Lir flat seats? I assume that the frequencies will go way up too? Or, do we think that we will still see the 787-10 and 777 on transcons?

As of now, most flights EWR-LAX/SFO are 777s or 787s with true Polaris seats. I am not expecting the widebodies to be replaced wholesale by the 737-10 on those routes, which have basically limitless demand. Rather, I think we'll see them on routes like (just spitballing) EWR-SAN/SEA/LAS/PHX/PDX, off-hour EWR-LAX/SFO, BOS-LAX/SFO, IAD-LAX/SAN/SFO and other markets where UA either competes with JetBlue Mint or can extract a premium for a lieflat product. Possibly some routes to the Caribbean, and if UA manages to secure JFK slots, on LAX/SFO routes there, too.

Keep in mind that as I understand it, the first 737-10s will be in a domestic configuration.

The first 15 737-10s will be in lie-flat config. Domestic -10s will only come summer 2024. Lie-flats will allow for lower widebody usage on those ps routes and add more frequencies like pre covid where there were many ps757-200 frequencies between EWR-SFO/LAX.

As of right now there are only 20 -10s in lie flat configuration scheduled for delivery throughout 2024, while the rest are domestic.

Is that a reduction in the number of of tails planned to have the lieflat config? At one point I remember hearing discussion of somewhere in the 40-50 range (so more of a 1:1 replacement of the 75B/S fleet) but this was pre-COVID and pre-A321 order.

Given the current certification issues related to the -10, I will be pleasantly surprised to see any of them on property in 2024. At this point we are probably looking, optimistically, at a midyear certification.

SgtBarone wrote:

klasdillon wrote:

Cmac787 wrote:

Paint update
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N794UA has exited AMA paint with Evo blue livery and ferried to DEN F2727/18 Mar

EvoBlue? Wasn’t this Star Alliance? Did they really just axe another SA livery? Wow. Wish it was kept and repainted like N653UA was.

Unless we see differently, I assume this one kept Star Alliance livery.

I can confirm that it is still in the Star Alliance livery with the blue engine cowlings. It is currently outside the hangar in DEN.

Airbus A320 #4101, the first United Next refit, moved from LCQ to IAD today.

https://www.united.com/en/us/flightstat ... LCQ/IAD/UA

Wow, almost a 30 year old aircraft. I wonder how much longer she goes on with what is likely its last refit.

Lamp1009 wrote:

codc10 wrote:

It's not to say operating in Guam is unsafe, but it makes sense to spread out the exposure to that environment across the wider fleet so there isn't a batch of 737s that have more significant corrosion problems (and thus more expensive to maintain) than the rest of the fleet.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it also be better on cycles, in terms of average load anyways.
If you're a long-distance flying 737 (mainly just making runs between Guam and Japan), and you have to contend with corrosion in GUM, wouldn't total utilization of said frame with advanced corrosion significantly increase the utilization costs?

Additionally, if you're an island-hopping 737 (heading to Yap, Saipan or Koror as well), don't you then have the issue with a much higher rate of cycles, basically meaning you're killing your frame quickly?

You're right in a way but having subset of airplanes means not having a bunch of airplanes subject to corrosion beyond the normal.

ikolkyo wrote:

Wow, almost a 30 year old aircraft. I wonder how much longer she goes on with what is likely its last refit.

I would love to know the rationale for spending time and money to retrofit this one first... But clearly somebody has crunched the numbers and decided it was worth it!

adamblang wrote:

Airbus A320 #4101, the first United Next refit, moved from LCQ to IAD today.

https://www.united.com/en/us/flightstat ... LCQ/IAD/UA

N401UA was getting retrofitted? I thought it was N801UA on the A319 and N438UA for the A320. No new UA config on the A320 or a different amenities tab on their website. Does anyone else have any confirmation? I don't believe this is right.

klasdillon wrote:

adamblang wrote:

Airbus A320 #4101, the first United Next refit, moved from LCQ to IAD today.

https://www.united.com/en/us/flightstat ... LCQ/IAD/UA

N401UA was getting retrofitted? I thought it was N801UA on the A319 and N438UA for the A320. No new UA config on the A320 or a different amenities tab on their website. Does anyone else have any confirmation?

That would make more sense, a 1997 build vs a 1993.

Awe, man, you're right. Somewhere along the line I got it through my head "oldest 320" instead of "oldest 319." I've been stalking the wrong plane for a week!

adamblang wrote:

Awe, man, you're right. Somewhere along the line I got it through my head "oldest 320" instead of "oldest 319." I've been stalking the wrong plane for a week!

All good. Just had me confused for a moment that NEXT was already on the A320, haha.

Is it safe to say that 3-5 years out that United will have the largest fleet in the world? Surpassing AA & DL? Thx!

codc10 wrote:

boeingatchs wrote:

codc10 wrote:

As of now, most flights EWR-LAX/SFO are 777s or 787s with true Polaris seats. I am not expecting the widebodies to be replaced wholesale by the 737-10 on those routes, which have basically limitless demand. Rather, I think we'll see them on routes like (just spitballing) EWR-SAN/SEA/LAS/PHX/PDX, off-hour EWR-LAX/SFO, BOS-LAX/SFO, IAD-LAX/SAN/SFO and other markets where UA either competes with JetBlue Mint or can extract a premium for a lieflat product. Possibly some routes to the Caribbean, and if UA manages to secure JFK slots, on LAX/SFO routes there, too.

Keep in mind that as I understand it, the first 737-10s will be in a domestic configuration.

The first 15 737-10s will be in lie-flat config. Domestic -10s will only come summer 2024. Lie-flats will allow for lower widebody usage on those ps routes and add more frequencies like pre covid where there were many ps757-200 frequencies between EWR-SFO/LAX.

As of right now there are only 20 -10s in lie flat configuration scheduled for delivery throughout 2024, while the rest are domestic.

Is that a reduction in the number of of tails planned to have the lieflat config? At one point I remember hearing discussion of somewhere in the 40-50 range (so more of a 1:1 replacement of the 75B/S fleet) but this was pre-COVID and pre-A321 order.

Given the current certification issues related to the -10, I will be pleasantly surprised to see any of them on property in 2024. At this point we are probably looking, optimistically, at a midyear certification.

Previously 44 were to be lie flat but reduced to 20 now. However there may be additional lie flat units that come in 2025+ and of course this number can still change before we see the first delivery.