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ojjunior wrote:Looks like Brazil will have a direct service to Cairo-Egypt.
1st time ever:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1482483
dcajet wrote:The Peruvian arm of JetSMART has filed with the Peruvian regulator a request for authority to fly from points in Peru to points in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Dominican Republic and Ecuador. By far the most extensive request involves Brazil, with 11 routes to 10 Brazilian cities.
Worth remembering this is a request for authority and does not carry a 100% certainty that any of the routes may happen in the short term.
PB26 wrote:dcajet wrote:The Peruvian arm of JetSMART has filed with the Peruvian regulator a request for authority to fly from points in Peru to points in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Dominican Republic and Ecuador. By far the most extensive request involves Brazil, with 11 routes to 10 Brazilian cities.
Worth remembering this is a request for authority and does not carry a 100% certainty that any of the routes may happen in the short term.
Brazil-Peru route has the LATAM monopoly since Avianca and Gol pulled out the route. It would be welcome Jetsmart to break the monopoly.
Galwayman wrote:British Airways consolidating GIG with EZE for Winter 23.
777 daily , flights in the system already
Night flights to and from Rio at long last
Presumably fifth freedoms at GIG
Great news for GIG and EZE
3D101CA wrote:Galwayman wrote:British Airways consolidating GIG with EZE for Winter 23.
777 daily , flights in the system already
Night flights to and from Rio at long last
Presumably fifth freedoms at GIG
Great news for GIG and EZE
Before the pandemic, BA was able to make LHR-EZE nonstop work. I guess that post pandemic LHR-EZE isn't performing well. Serving LHR-GIG-EZE allows two destinations to be combined into a single flight.
Service on LHR-GIG for a long time was a daytime departure from LHR, the route has been operated since 2010 I believe. Daytime departures from Europe to South America are common. Nothing seemed wrong with the daytime departure for LHR-GIG, as the route worked for a long time that way. I also don't think LHR-GIG was daily before now. BA used to fly to the 777 on LHR-GIG years ago before it switched to a 787. Capacity will be increased though with the 777 returning on the route following the start of LHR-GIG-EZE.
Galwayman wrote:3D101CA wrote:Galwayman wrote:British Airways consolidating GIG with EZE for Winter 23.
777 daily , flights in the system already
Night flights to and from Rio at long last
Presumably fifth freedoms at GIG
Great news for GIG and EZE
Before the pandemic, BA was able to make LHR-EZE nonstop work. I guess that post pandemic LHR-EZE isn't performing well. Serving LHR-GIG-EZE allows two destinations to be combined into a single flight.
Service on LHR-GIG for a long time was a daytime departure from LHR, the route has been operated since 2010 I believe. Daytime departures from Europe to South America are common. Nothing seemed wrong with the daytime departure for LHR-GIG, as the route worked for a long time that way. I also don't think LHR-GIG was daily before now. BA used to fly to the 777 on LHR-GIG years ago before it switched to a 787. Capacity will be increased though with the 777 returning on the route following the start of LHR-GIG-EZE.
The day time flight LON>GIG had lots of Russian/Israeli transfer passengers connecting in from the Moscow/Tel Aviv red eyes in my experience . Obviously that market now belongs to EK/Tk/QR these days
Yields to EZE are going be a problem for the next year at least
PLus excellent aircraft utilisation . THe case for nonstops ex Europe to EZE ( with the exception of Madrid) must be very difficult for revenue managers to make
pmartin wrote:I flew 4 times from Europe to Brazil last year. Planes are packed full, in the front and the back, and fares, especially in business, are sky high compared to Asia or South Africa.
dcajet wrote:Galwayman wrote:3D101CA wrote:
Before the pandemic, BA was able to make LHR-EZE nonstop work. I guess that post pandemic LHR-EZE isn't performing well. Serving LHR-GIG-EZE allows two destinations to be combined into a single flight.
Service on LHR-GIG for a long time was a daytime departure from LHR, the route has been operated since 2010 I believe. Daytime departures from Europe to South America are common. Nothing seemed wrong with the daytime departure for LHR-GIG, as the route worked for a long time that way. I also don't think LHR-GIG was daily before now. BA used to fly to the 777 on LHR-GIG years ago before it switched to a 787. Capacity will be increased though with the 777 returning on the route following the start of LHR-GIG-EZE.
The day time flight LON>GIG had lots of Russian/Israeli transfer passengers connecting in from the Moscow/Tel Aviv red eyes in my experience . Obviously that market now belongs to EK/Tk/QR these days
Yields to EZE are going be a problem for the next year at least
PLus excellent aircraft utilisation . THe case for nonstops ex Europe to EZE ( with the exception of Madrid) must be very difficult for revenue managers to make
While not a nonstop, Swiss is increasing its EZE presence for the NW 23/24. Goes from 2x w to daily service, with a stop at GRU. Seems like there is money to be made on these 5th freedom flights. LX, BA, AC, TK, EK, ET and QR will all feature them next NW. It looks like the 80s are back...
Galwayman wrote:dcajet wrote:Galwayman wrote:
The day time flight LON>GIG had lots of Russian/Israeli transfer passengers connecting in from the Moscow/Tel Aviv red eyes in my experience . Obviously that market now belongs to EK/Tk/QR these days
Yields to EZE are going be a problem for the next year at least
PLus excellent aircraft utilisation . THe case for nonstops ex Europe to EZE ( with the exception of Madrid) must be very difficult for revenue managers to make
While not a nonstop, Swiss is increasing its EZE presence for the NW 23/24. Goes from 2x w to daily service, with a stop at GRU. Seems like there is money to be made on these 5th freedom flights. LX, BA, AC, TK, EK, ET and QR will all feature them next NW. It looks like the 80s are back...
Its just the perfect use of a European airframe. Tag to EZE before overnight to Europe . The accountants must love it. Only Iberia should be doing nonstop EZE to Europe really
voxkel wrote:
On another note - Europe to EZE nonstop isn't that bad for aircraft utilization. I.E. LV2601/2602 (BCN-EZE-BCN) is only on the ground in EZE for 2 hours. Both directions are done in the night.
voxkel wrote:Galwayman wrote:dcajet wrote:
While not a nonstop, Swiss is increasing its EZE presence for the NW 23/24. Goes from 2x w to daily service, with a stop at GRU. Seems like there is money to be made on these 5th freedom flights. LX, BA, AC, TK, EK, ET and QR will all feature them next NW. It looks like the 80s are back...
Its just the perfect use of a European airframe. Tag to EZE before overnight to Europe . The accountants must love it. Only Iberia should be doing nonstop EZE to Europe really
I'm more surprised that they are consolidating EZE with GIG and making LHR-GIG daily. Is there really that much high yielding demand to GIG? If BA for some reason doesn't want to fly to EZE nonstop wouldn't a LHR-GRU-EZE (on top of the existing BA247 LHR-GRU) make more sense?
The fact that LHR will have nonstop to SCL but not EZE is surprising - are the yields that much higher in SCL?
On another note - Europe to EZE nonstop isn't that bad for aircraft utilization. I.E. LV2601/2602 (BCN-EZE-BCN) is only on the ground in EZE for 2 hours. Both directions are done in the night.
PB26 wrote:Brazilian discovered Mendoza with its wine, Andes and other attraction and the Peso devaluation is become the secondary cities more attractive.
winGl3t wrote:Don`t forget EZE-GIG-EZE during IATA Winter is a goldmine, high yield local fare as Argentinas invade Rio, Cabo Frio and Buzios especially from January to April. I'm sure BA will be happier than flying BUE-GRU-BUE (wich they were doing last Winter season and is nothing but a bloodbath)
gatibosgru wrote:Great to see VS to GRU! Will there be connection opps with LA? Always thought GIG would have been a good leisure market for them, but maybe 2 players on LHR-GIG is overkill.
edit: Nevermind, it says so in the article.
dcajet wrote:Brazilian aviation/travel journalist and vlogger, Luiz Machado, is reporting that Azul had requested 300 pairs of slots to begin operations between Sao Paulo/Campinas VCP and London LHR this upcoming NW23. ACL, the slot coordinator at LHR, has denied the request and it appears that Azul's delicate financial situation was the reason for the denial.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/06GR1IpxHzs
dcajet wrote:Further confirming the short tenure of the A350s with Azul, the 2 frames still parked at LDE (PR-AOX msn 153) and AUH (PR-AOZ msn 197) will be joining the Iberia fleet over the coming months. These 2 frames never actually flew for Azul, as they were with Hong Kong Air since new in 2017/8, as part of the HNA/Azul partnership.
The 2 active A350s are expected to leave the Azul fleet by year's end and join the Thai Airlines fleet.
nicode wrote:Azul don't need two lonelies A350 for the ORY route only. A339 should be enough on this route.
Jomar777 wrote:dcajet wrote:Further confirming the short tenure of the A350s with Azul, the 2 frames still parked at LDE (PR-AOX msn 153) and AUH (PR-AOZ msn 197) will be joining the Iberia fleet over the coming months. These 2 frames never actually flew for Azul, as they were with Hong Kong Air since new in 2017/8, as part of the HNA/Azul partnership.
The 2 active A350s are expected to leave the Azul fleet by year's end and join the Thai Airlines fleet.
Do you have a source for the demise of the two A359s Azul have (and that are on the ORY route presently)? Where did this get published? The two "extra" aircrafts you mention were never announced as forthcoming to Azul and probably wiuill end up on IB because the latter is actively looking for increase on their fleet capacity.
Azul is currently in process of trainign their crew to operate the A350 and, apart for these two that they currently have, have not announced any other A350s.
Azul's A339s carry only 36 passengers less than their A359s but are much lighter. Besides, they have greater commonality to their A332s which are leaving the fleet so it could make sense. But it would be the seond time of many that the A350 actually fails on the Brazilian/South American Market (despite some European carriers using the frame on their flights to Brazil/South America).