atrude777 wrote:

Contour Airlines has made their pitch to Marion, Illinois.

Southern Airways Express will come next, January 25th.

Cape Air per the article does not have a date yet to submit their pitch.

Source: https://www.wsiltv.com/townnews/transpo ... aa50d.html

I haven’t seen any updates or news concerning Kirksville and Owensboro.

Alex

Owensboro, Kentucky Board has already and unanimously selected Contour Airlines for the new EAS service.

Source: https://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news ... c0eb0.html


This will reduce Cape Air’s presence to Nashville as Marion would be the only one to Nashville if MWA keeps Cape Air.

Alex

atrude777 wrote:

atrude777 wrote:

Contour Airlines has made their pitch to Marion, Illinois.

Southern Airways Express will come next, January 25th.

Cape Air per the article does not have a date yet to submit their pitch.

Source: https://www.wsiltv.com/townnews/transpo ... aa50d.html

I haven’t seen any updates or news concerning Kirksville and Owensboro.

Alex

Owensboro, Kentucky Board has already and unanimously selected Contour Airlines for the new EAS service.

Source: https://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news ... c0eb0.html


This will reduce Cape Air’s presence to Nashville as Marion would be the only one to Nashville if MWA keeps Cape Air.

Alex

That was an easy one to predict. Still surprised they aren't doing ORD but maybe Owensboro wanted CLT.

Southern may move all of Jonesboro's flights to STL and discontinue BNA.

“There are pros and cons to having two hubs, but being so close to Memphis, frequency is very important,” Cestari told commissioners. “We’re going to keep monitoring the situation, but at some point, we may want to ask you folks if you want all St. Louis to be able to give more frequency throughout the day.”

Cestari said Southern, like all airlines, has been impacted by a pilot shortage, resulting in some canceled flights. However, he said, a new class of new pilots is being added at strategic locations, such as the St. Louis hub.

https://www.jonesborosun.com/news/airli ... 69048.html

Will be interesting to see if next time they only big MKL-STL and get rid of ATL also.

TWA772LR wrote:

atrude777 wrote:

ILikeTrains wrote:

From what I can tell DRT will be fine. They now get 2x daily CRJ700s which is a sizeable up gauge from the 2x ERJ145s that were the norm when I was there.

Good old Del Rio by the Sea.

American announced earlier they will be closing DRT along with two other cities. That's why the poster was asking...

Source: https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-cuts-us-cities/
When American pulls out of Del Rio, it’ll leave the Texas city without any commercial airline service. Historically, American Eagle affiliate Envoy Air has flown to Del Rio from American's mega-hub at the Dallas Fort Worth International Airport (DFW).


Alex

A void is a void and voids always get filled. DRT may see something like Southern or Contour to a larger Texas city, but CO/UA were in the market before and with AA dropping it it's primed for OO to slip in from IAH even for at-risk flying.

Unfortunately the void at FMN has yet to be filled since Great Lakes ceased to exist five years ago. The state of New Mexico has developed a subsidy program which has returned service to GUP and LRU so far. Still waiting on FMN though. DAC or SkyWest Charters to DEN maybe?

The contract for El Dorado/Harrison/Hot Springs is out.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1997-2935-0443

Interestingly, they're being decoupled. ELD is for a 2-year term, the other two are for 4 years.

ELD: 14x DFW, 4x MEM
HRO: 14x DFW, 4x MEM
HOT: 16x DFW, 2x MEM

SkyWest Charters submitted a proposal for both DVL and JMS in North Dakota.

Backstory-DVL and JMS were part of the 29 communities to be dropped from SkyWest EAS Contracts. They currently see United Express to Denver.

Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -2785-0255

Notes: The paragraph in the link mentions also offering ORD-Chicago and MSP-Minneapolis in addition to Denver. The chart being used only shows ORD/DEN. Unsure if that's a typo...

Both cities are already used to a split as right now DVL/JMS share a flight. However this new contract would allow DVL to have their own flights as well as JMS. Interesting to see them offer Chicago now too.

Also offering United Codeshare to ORD/DEN or Delta to MSP.

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Chadron, Nebraska

They have chosen Southern Airways Express

Link: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8322-0168

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Alliance, Nebraska

They have chosen DAC-Denver Air Connection, and echoed the complaints of not getting the King Air due to pilot shortage.

Link: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8322-0169


Alex

atrude777 wrote:

SkyWest Charters submitted a proposal for both DVL and JMS in North Dakota.

Backstory-DVL and JMS were part of the 29 communities to be dropped from SkyWest EAS Contracts. They currently see United Express to Denver.

Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -2785-0255

Notes: The paragraph in the link mentions also offering ORD-Chicago and MSP-Minneapolis in addition to Denver. The chart being used only shows ORD/DEN. Unsure if that's a typo...

Both cities are already used to a split as right now DVL/JMS share a flight. However this new contract would allow DVL to have their own flights as well as JMS. Interesting to see them offer Chicago now too.

Also offering United Codeshare to ORD/DEN or Delta to MSP.

********************************************************************************************************************************

Chadron, Nebraska

They have chosen Southern Airways Express

Link: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8322-0168

*********************************************************************************************************************************

Alliance, Nebraska

They have chosen DAC-Denver Air Connection, and echoed the complaints of not getting the King Air due to pilot shortage.

Link: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8322-0169


Alex

Its actually Chadron that was supposed to get the King Air but the city has gone nearly the entire past two years with a Caravan. I can't believe they're staying with 9X for another two years after this ordeal. Alliance did a comparison with Chadron and mentioned that Chadron has historically had more traffic but now its flip-flopped claiming that the DAC Metroliner used at Alliance is more desirable. I don't think the pilot shortage has much if anything to do with whether you get a Caravan or a King Air, they're both 9-seats. Southern doesn't seem to be able to get a King Air that flies. They were supposed to use a King Air at PUB as well but they've been using a PC-12 since service started last week. And Southern is supposed to be using a PC-12 at SOW but they've been using a Caravan or cancelling.

Chuska wrote:

I don't think the pilot shortage has much if anything to do with whether you get a Caravan or a King Air, they're both 9-seats.

Single engine pilot does not need an ATP, just commercial/instrument/1200 hours. Twin-engine pilot needs an ATP, as does a regional jet FO.

MO11 wrote:

Chuska wrote:

I don't think the pilot shortage has much if anything to do with whether you get a Caravan or a King Air, they're both 9-seats.

Single engine pilot does not need an ATP, just commercial/instrument/1200 hours. Twin-engine pilot needs an ATP, as does a regional jet FO.

That's right, my bad. You would think the DOT would look at a carriers's past performance before awarding routes like CDR and PUB requiring or requesting multi-engine.

Chuska wrote:

You would think the DOT would look at a carriers's past performance before awarding routes like CDR and PUB requiring or requesting multi-engine.

That only really works if you have more than one bidder, right. And considering how difficult it has been to find suitable carriers for many markets lately, I doubt DOT is going to rock the boat and reopen the bidding. Not for something as trivial as this (and this is my own assessment; I realise this may not be trivial to you).

Four SkyWest cities appear to be expiring today, Jan 31, DDC, LBL, LBF, and BFF. The UA website still shows business as usual for the forseeable future. Any word on how these are going?

Starting to think contour is spreading to thin.

According to FlightAware.com, a flight tracking software, only two Contour flights have taken off from Philadelphia to Ogdensburg since at least January 17.

Only three flights took off from Ogdensburg to Philadelphia during that time.


Going in both directions, a total of 34 flights were canceled in the last two weeks.

https://www.wwnytv.com/2023/01/31/conto ... g-airport/


If I was one of the new cities they bid I would have a lot of questions before I commit.

Jshank83 wrote:

Starting to think contour is spreading to thin.

According to FlightAware.com, a flight tracking software, only two Contour flights have taken off from Philadelphia to Ogdensburg since at least January 17.

Only three flights took off from Ogdensburg to Philadelphia during that time.


Going in both directions, a total of 34 flights were canceled in the last two weeks.

https://www.wwnytv.com/2023/01/31/conto ... g-airport/


If I was one of the new cities they bid I would have a lot of questions before I commit.

I imagine there is a LOT more to this story…

Weather in upstate NY has been atrocious, as it usually is in January, and the deep winter loads at OGS equally so.
Are the runways clear? Are they getting braking action reports?

I imagine, like they have done at CEC and Page, that they will make up the “Landings” totals by adding summer flights, when demand is much higher.

Chuska wrote:

Four SkyWest cities appear to be expiring today, Jan 31, DDC, LBL, LBF, and BFF. The UA website still shows business as usual for the forseeable future. Any word on how these are going?

OO is on hold out rates. They will continue to operate until a replacement is selected.

The bidding process is ongoing. All 4 markets had a 1-month extension agreed by DOT to the initial bidding period so everything being ready in time was always going to be challenging.

LBL and DDC both have bids by Skywest Charters and Northern Pacific/Ravn. No recommendations filed but realistically, it's OO to loose. I'd say it's a foregone conclusion.

Nothing filed for LBF and BFF. A bit surprised by that. I would have thought they'd attract more interest than the 2 Kansas markets considering they were larger pre-Covid. This could just be DOT being sloppy with the filing though. It's not like that's never been seen before!

FlyingElvii wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Starting to think contour is spreading to thin.

According to FlightAware.com, a flight tracking software, only two Contour flights have taken off from Philadelphia to Ogdensburg since at least January 17.

Only three flights took off from Ogdensburg to Philadelphia during that time.


Going in both directions, a total of 34 flights were canceled in the last two weeks.

https://www.wwnytv.com/2023/01/31/conto ... g-airport/


If I was one of the new cities they bid I would have a lot of questions before I commit.

I imagine there is a LOT more to this story…

Weather in upstate NY has been atrocious, as it usually is in January, and the deep winter loads at OGS equally so.
Are the runways clear? Are they getting braking action reports?

I imagine, like they have done at CEC and Page, that they will make up the “Landings” totals by adding summer flights, when demand is much higher.

I agree. Sounds more like a blip. And weather has been bad in those parts.

They've posted some solid results for 2022 in recent days, with reliability figures strong (as ever) across markets, even during the weather disruptions tale end of last year. Heck, Greenville MS has even hit 10K emplanements for the first time in 15 years.

On the 'spread too thin' point, unlike most other EAS carriers, they're not a one trick pony. This interesting article from Forbes puts some colour on their operation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2022/10/10/contour-airlines-capitalizes-on-the-changing-outline-of-the-essential-air-service-market/

There are others I'd worry about on reliability before I worry about Contour.

BangersAndMash wrote:

FlyingElvii wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Starting to think contour is spreading to thin.

According to FlightAware.com, a flight tracking software, only two Contour flights have taken off from Philadelphia to Ogdensburg since at least January 17.

Only three flights took off from Ogdensburg to Philadelphia during that time.


Going in both directions, a total of 34 flights were canceled in the last two weeks.

https://www.wwnytv.com/2023/01/31/conto ... g-airport/


If I was one of the new cities they bid I would have a lot of questions before I commit.

I imagine there is a LOT more to this story…

Weather in upstate NY has been atrocious, as it usually is in January, and the deep winter loads at OGS equally so.
Are the runways clear? Are they getting braking action reports?

I imagine, like they have done at CEC and Page, that they will make up the “Landings” totals by adding summer flights, when demand is much higher.

I agree. Sounds more like a blip. And weather has been bad in those parts.

They've posted some solid results for 2022 in recent days, with reliability figures strong (as ever) across markets, even during the weather disruptions tale end of last year. Heck, Greenville MS has even hit 10K emplanements for the first time in 15 years.

On the 'spread too thin' point, unlike most other EAS carriers, they're not a one trick pony. This interesting article from Forbes puts some colour on their operation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2022/10/10/contour-airlines-capitalizes-on-the-changing-outline-of-the-essential-air-service-market/

There are others I'd worry about on reliability before I worry about Contour.

That Forbes article almost lost me from the start when it began with "When regional carrier SkyWest cut 30 routes from small cities last March..." To date, OO has only dropped 11 of the 29 (not 30) and that was over the course of several months, not all at once last March. However I continued to read thru it and the rest of the story was pretty good. Hope Contour keeps up the good work.

Chuska wrote:

BangersAndMash wrote:

FlyingElvii wrote:

I imagine there is a LOT more to this story…

Weather in upstate NY has been atrocious, as it usually is in January, and the deep winter loads at OGS equally so.
Are the runways clear? Are they getting braking action reports?

I imagine, like they have done at CEC and Page, that they will make up the “Landings” totals by adding summer flights, when demand is much higher.

I agree. Sounds more like a blip. And weather has been bad in those parts.

They've posted some solid results for 2022 in recent days, with reliability figures strong (as ever) across markets, even during the weather disruptions tale end of last year. Heck, Greenville MS has even hit 10K emplanements for the first time in 15 years.

On the 'spread too thin' point, unlike most other EAS carriers, they're not a one trick pony. This interesting article from Forbes puts some colour on their operation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2022/10/10/contour-airlines-capitalizes-on-the-changing-outline-of-the-essential-air-service-market/

There are others I'd worry about on reliability before I worry about Contour.

That Forbes article almost lost me from the start when it began with "When regional carrier SkyWest cut 30 routes from small cities last March..." To date, OO has only dropped 11 of the 29 (not 30) and that was over the course of several months, not all at once last March. However I continued to read thru it and the rest of the story was pretty good. Hope Contour keeps up the good work.

OO did file notice to terminate these markets in a batch back in March so the article isn't wrong. Some communities simply decided to swallow the bitter pill of tag flights and frequency reductions, so OO was set hold in rates and made to continue service until the expiration of the contract.

Any update on the Cape Air Cessna 402C landing gear mishap at ORD a few days ago?

All 3 Airlines presented their proposals for Marion, Illinois-MWA

Cape Air: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 2f9c4.html

Contour Airlines: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 6da5d.html

Southern Airways: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 52489.html

Majority of the comments on Social Media are leaning towards Chicago, but they now have to decide..do they want Southern to Chicago and STL, or two daily on Contour to Chicago.

Cape Air is still very much in the running!

Owensboro has already decided to go with Contour Airlines, Kirksville as of this post has not made their decision publicly.

Alex

atrude777 wrote:

All 3 Airlines presented their proposals for Marion, Illinois-MWA

Cape Air: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/communities/marion/cape-air-gives-the-third-and-final-proposal-for-passenger-airline-service-in-marion/article_c7f629fa-1e86-58b7-b063-abe42622f9c4.html

Contour Airlines: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/communities/mtvernon/new-airline-contour-presents-its-proposal-for-air-service-at-the-veterans-airport-of-southern/article_1022a778-8ab7-56a5-983c-c2e531e6da5d.html

Southern Airways: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/communities/marion/southern-airways-presents-its-bid-for-air-service-to-veterans-airport-of-southern-illinois/article_7c330285-f1be-54ef-9c57-e532d4c52489.html

Majority of the comments on Social Media are leaning towards Chicago, but they now have to decide..do they want Southern to Chicago and STL, or two daily on Contour to Chicago.

Cape Air is still very much in the running!

Owensboro has already decided to go with Contour Airlines, Kirksville as of this post has not made their decision publicly.

Alex

Another thought…
CGI, MWA, PAH,and OWB are close enough to share mechanics or help each other in a tough situation.
And they are close enough to Whistle-stop should the need arise.

atrude777 wrote:

All 3 Airlines presented their proposals for Marion, Illinois-MWA

Cape Air: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 2f9c4.html

Contour Airlines: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 6da5d.html

Southern Airways: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 52489.html

Majority of the comments on Social Media are leaning towards Chicago, but they now have to decide..do they want Southern to Chicago and STL, or two daily on Contour to Chicago.

Cape Air is still very much in the running!

Owensboro has already decided to go with Contour Airlines, Kirksville as of this post has not made their decision publicly.

Alex

If Cape is selected, they operate at the end of L for now. EAS parking moves in March over to T5.
If Southern is selected, UA will add them over on F as they currently are located for parking. Counters and bag makeup will be at the end of Terminal 3 where they are currently.
If Contour is selected, there's two options; one is being accommodated by American and the other will be T5.

FlyingElvii wrote:

Another thought…
CGI, MWA, PAH,and OWB are close enough to share mechanics or help each other in a tough situation.
And they are close enough to Whistle-stop should the need arise.

Having Contour in all the stations nearby would certainly help with the IRROPS, but they all fly to different destinations so the whistle stop I don't think would help too much?

CGI-BNA
OWB-CLT
PAH-CLT
MWA-ORD
IRK-ORD

I suppose if needed Contour could fly MWA-IRK-ORD, and PAH-OWB-CLT to help out.

Funny enough, some social media page on Facebook NOT affiliated with the MWA Airport, posted the wrong image stating that Contour is flying MWA-STL/BNA, same as Cape Air, so everyone is voting Southern because it's Chicago, not realizing Contour is also offering Chicago as an option. I have repeatedly messaged the page to try and correct it. *sighs*

jcwr56 wrote:

If Cape is selected, they operate at the end of L for now. EAS parking moves in March over to T5.
If Southern is selected, UA will add them over on F as they currently are located for parking. Counters and bag makeup will be at the end of Terminal 3 where they are currently.
If Contour is selected, there's two options; one is being accommodated by American and the other will be T5.

For MWA/IRK/OWB Cape Air was not offering Chicago, only STL or/and BNA.

Now with Cape Air losing BRL and UIN, the only Chicago route Cape Air will serve is from Manistee.

Selecting Contour would be a drawback for connecting to American with the interline, Southern would be great at ORD for utilizing F4 as you said.

I am biased, I live in Chicago and from the Marion area, I would go with Contour or Southern but that's me.

The question is, does choosing Southern require them to waive the multi engine, even though a Saab 340 is flying the route to ORD...

Alex

jcwr56 wrote:

atrude777 wrote:

All 3 Airlines presented their proposals for Marion, Illinois-MWA

Cape Air: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 2f9c4.html

Contour Airlines: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 6da5d.html

Southern Airways: https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 52489.html

Majority of the comments on Social Media are leaning towards Chicago, but they now have to decide..do they want Southern to Chicago and STL, or two daily on Contour to Chicago.

Cape Air is still very much in the running!

Owensboro has already decided to go with Contour Airlines, Kirksville as of this post has not made their decision publicly.

Alex

If Cape is selected, they operate at the end of L for now. EAS parking moves in March over to T5.
If Southern is selected, UA will add them over on F as they currently are located for parking. Counters and bag makeup will be at the end of Terminal 3 where they are currently.
If Contour is selected, there's two options; one is being accommodated by American and the other will be T5.

I imagine that they will be handled by American (Envoy?), at least below the wing. That seems to have worked out for them in PHL, where they are handled above and below by Piedmont.
I assume that they will use Envoy or PI Maintenance as well.

MWA to ORD would probably attract people to drive from PAH as well...

btfarrwm wrote:

MWA to ORD would probably attract people to drive from PAH as well...

Are you local to PAH? Have you heard much complaints about Contour's cancellation rate and rebooking scenarios during IRROPS?

As for MWA-ORD, I don't know if MWA is trusting of Contour yet, two drawbacks, lack of Frequency of flights, going from 6 flights to 2, lack of codeshare (Cape Air offers AA Miles with connections), connecting in Chicago would possibly require being rescreened for security.

MWA offers free parking! Would certainly help draw the traffic from PAH!

I really don't know which way MWA is swinging!

Alex

Yes. I live in Paducah. Currently taking flight lessons at Midwest Aviation. I haven't been paying much attention to Contour's Ops, but I have heard frustrations with booking, etc.

JMS has two proposals to consider this week. One is from Skywest Charter using a 30-seater splitting between DEN and MSP 12x week. Bid two is from Northern Pacific Airways with a turboprop to MSP 14x week.
https://www.jamestownsun.com/news/offic ... wn-airport

btfarrwm wrote:

Yes. I live in Paducah. Currently taking flight lessons at Midwest Aviation. I haven't been paying much attention to Contour's Ops, but I have heard frustrations with booking, etc.

Sadly HitIt res system isn't quite proven in North America yet. Res systems are a huge expense.

atrude777 wrote:

btfarrwm wrote:

MWA to ORD would probably attract people to drive from PAH as well...

Are you local to PAH? Have you heard much complaints about Contour's cancellation rate and rebooking scenarios during IRROPS?

As for MWA-ORD, I don't know if MWA is trusting of Contour yet, two drawbacks, lack of Frequency of flights, going from 6 flights to 2, lack of codeshare (Cape Air offers AA Miles with connections), connecting in Chicago would possibly require being rescreened for security.

MWA offers free parking! Would certainly help draw the traffic from PAH!

I really don't know which way MWA is swinging!

Alex

Southern Illinois has not had Chicago service since the Britt days, (1988 IIRC)
The Marion-Carbondale area is about 130,00 population, younger than average, and a medium income of above $50k. PAH is less than one hour away, plus they will draw a small amount from as far away as Evansville, given that EVV no longer has Chicago service. The University in Carbondale generates a LOT of traffic from Chicagoland.

A one hour flight to Chicago at a reasonable cost will divert a percentage of the current Amtrak Student traffic into flying instead.

Free Parking, and good fares might see that big new terminal they opened in 2016 get some actual usage.

Air Midwest operated Beech 1900s from Marion to Midway in 2005/2006 ish I believe.

FlyingElvii wrote:

Southern Illinois has not had Chicago service since the Britt days, (1988 IIRC)
The Marion-Carbondale area is about 130,00 population, younger than average, and a medium income of above $50k. PAH is less than one hour away, plus they will draw a small amount from as far away as Evansville, given that EVV no longer has Chicago service. The University in Carbondale generates a LOT of traffic from Chicagoland.

A one hour flight to Chicago at a reasonable cost will divert a percentage of the current Amtrak Student traffic into flying instead.

Free Parking, and good fares might see that big new terminal they opened in 2016 get some actual usage.

You'd think....and we had the same statistics in 2019 when SkyWest submitted the proposal. Yet...MWA went with Cape Air in 2019. There is nothing different here, proposal is the same, 2 daily jet service, but we are now lacking a United Code Share, and seats, 30 seats instead of 50 each.

I just don't have faith in MWA picking an airline to fly to Chicago. What you are saying though is correct and should be every reason why MWA should already be seeing jet service to Chicago.

I don't know if the Amtrak folks would switch? Amtrak is $39 bucks when booked in advanced, $66 bucks in Business. That's pretty darn cheap!

usxguy wrote:

Air Midwest operated Beech 1900s from Marion to Midway in 2005/2006 ish I believe.

Feb 2007-November 2007, with a stop over in DEC.

"On February 1, 2007, Air Midwest began operations at Chicago Midway International Airport in Chicago, Illinois, to three Illinois airports: Decatur, Marion, and Quincy. However, just nine months after beginning this service, Mesa Airlines announced that Air Midwest would end all service from Illinois on November 9, 2007."

Alex

DakotaFlyer wrote:

JMS has two proposals to consider this week. One is from Skywest Charter using a 30-seater splitting between DEN and MSP 12x week. Bid two is from Northern Pacific Airways with a turboprop to MSP 14x week.
https://www.jamestownsun.com/news/offic ... wn-airport

What type of turboprop would Northern Pacific use if they were awarded the route?

Ravn dash 8?

DakotaFlyer wrote:

JMS has two proposals to consider this week. One is from Skywest Charter using a 30-seater splitting between DEN and MSP 12x week. Bid two is from Northern Pacific Airways with a turboprop to MSP 14x week.
https://www.jamestownsun.com/news/offic ... wn-airport

Northern Pacific, like, the ANC 757 operator?

Why are they getting into EAS with turboprops?

MLIAA wrote:

DakotaFlyer wrote:

JMS has two proposals to consider this week. One is from Skywest Charter using a 30-seater splitting between DEN and MSP 12x week. Bid two is from Northern Pacific Airways with a turboprop to MSP 14x week.
https://www.jamestownsun.com/news/offic ... wn-airport

Northern Pacific, like, the ANC 757 operator?

Why are they getting into EAS with turboprops?

The wanna-be operator*. They rolled both businesses into Northern Pacific. So these are bidding with “Ravn” frames and make-believe crews.

Northern Pacific bid on the LBF or EAR route last year too, if I recall correctly.

Ryan

Well PenAir also bid on EAS routes - and look where the airline is now....

Would these flights be branded as Northern Pacific or Ravn?

Massena will be keeping Boutique. DOT (unsurprisingly) followed the community's recommendation.

21x weekly all to BOS (the previous contract was BOS and/or BWI) on PC12 for a 2-year period.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2012-0163-0092

Rip BWI.

Southern Illinois Leaders, including the Mayor's of Murphysboro, Carbondale and Marion are backing the Chicago Options.

Source: https://www.kfvs12.com/2023/02/03/south ... mechanger/

"According to Mitchell, a recent study shows 700,000 visits a year between the Chicago area and southern Illinois. Carbondale Economic Development says a proposal for flights to Chicago has been on the drawing board for awhile.

Mitchell says this has been a joint effort between the City of Carbondale, City of Marion and the Airport Authority since 2020.

“It’s sometimes hard to get really experienced executive talent to an area like southern Illinois, because without direct passenger flights to Chicago, there’s no easy way to get to southern Illinois. I’ve actually heard that from nationwide business people,” said Mitchell.

Moake says flights to Chicago would be a gamechanger for Illinois.

“When we think of regionally what the impact could be of connecting Marion and the region to Chicago, personally I would argue that that impact is too great to pass up,” said Moake."

I am surprised that many folks travel between Chicago and Southern Illinois, I am certainly one of them!

MWA Board will vote on February 9th.

Alex

BangersAndMash wrote:

Massena will be keeping Boutique. DOT (unsurprisingly) followed the community's recommendation.

21x weekly all to BOS (the previous contract was BOS and/or BWI) on PC12 for a 2-year period.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2012-0163-0092

Always surprising that a community stays with single engine props when they have the chance for RJ's. However, in this case, MSS keeps their BOS service and only has to drive 35 miles to OGS for a Contour RJ to PHL. OGS, on the other hand, enjoys RJ's to PHL and only has the 35 mile drive to MSS for BOS service.

Per APC, Skywest Charter began interviewing for Captains last week. Almost all were over 65, and much was said about mentoring new pilots.

The plans that Skywest has for SWC are said to be "Ambitious", it seems that among other things they intend it to be a school funnel for FO's into a SKW chair.

Anyone know what is going on with Contour out of PHL lately? I've seen several cancellations over the last few days...

Gulfstream500 wrote:

Anyone know what is going on with Contour out of PHL lately? I've seen several cancellations over the last few days...

I was told upthread all is well nothing to see here. Not Contours fault, it is obviously something else out of their control

Gulfstream500 wrote:

Anyone know what is going on with Contour out of PHL lately? I've seen several cancellations over the last few days...

Typical January/Feb Weather in upstate New York?

usxguy wrote:

btfarrwm wrote:

Yes. I live in Paducah. Currently taking flight lessons at Midwest Aviation. I haven't been paying much attention to Contour's Ops, but I have heard frustrations with booking, etc.

Sadly HitIt res system isn't quite proven in North America yet. Res systems are a huge expense.

btfarrwm wrote:

Yes. I live in Paducah. Currently taking flight lessons at Midwest Aviation. I haven't been paying much attention to Contour's Ops, but I have heard frustrations with booking, etc.

It's making the local news now in Paducah.

Frustrations with booking reservations through AA's website and not having the two systems fixed.

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/newsletter_s ... f666c.html

Contour really needs to ensure this is fixed before offering and advertising interline abilities and bidding on other cities.

Booking Contour by itself is fine, but when you book through AA's website, that's when the issues begin.

Alex

FlyingElvii wrote:

Gulfstream500 wrote:

Anyone know what is going on with Contour out of PHL lately? I've seen several cancellations over the last few days...

Typical January/Feb Weather in upstate New York?

The late outbound Altoona flight was canceled 11 times out of last 17.
Early outbound canceled 8 out of last 12

That isn't upstate new York. I checked the weather, it has been fine.

OGS has had one early flight run since Jan 17. The late flight has run less than it has been canceled. I don't see any major weather events in that timeframe for it either

Jshank83 wrote:

FlyingElvii wrote:

Gulfstream500 wrote:

Anyone know what is going on with Contour out of PHL lately? I've seen several cancellations over the last few days...

Typical January/Feb Weather in upstate New York?

The late outbound Altoona flight was canceled 11 times out of last 17.
Early outbound canceled 8 out of last 12

That isn't upstate new York. I checked the weather, it has been fine.

OGS has had one early flight run since Jan 17. The late flight has run less than it has been canceled. I don't see any major weather events in that timeframe for it either

I was booked on LF 3902 PHL-PBG on 2/3, and it cancelled as I arrived into PHL. They rebooked me to Sunday 2/5, then when that flight also cancelled rebooked me again to 2/8, a full 5 days after I was supposed to fly home. I of course rented a car at PHL and drove myself home Friday morning, and cancelled the ticket on LF for a refund. But what a gong show.

It was extremely cold in upstate NY 2/3 (-25 F ambient temp, -40+ F windchill) but not a cloud in the sky. That doesn't explain the continued cancellations though. I've also flown plenty of times up here in subzero temps on Cape Air.

bval wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

FlyingElvii wrote:

Typical January/Feb Weather in upstate New York?

The late outbound Altoona flight was canceled 11 times out of last 17.
Early outbound canceled 8 out of last 12

That isn't upstate new York. I checked the weather, it has been fine.

OGS has had one early flight run since Jan 17. The late flight has run less than it has been canceled. I don't see any major weather events in that timeframe for it either

I was booked on LF 3902 PHL-PBG on 2/3, and it cancelled as I arrived into PHL. They rebooked me to Sunday 2/5, then when that flight also cancelled rebooked me again to 2/8, a full 5 days after I was supposed to fly home. I of course rented a car at PHL and drove myself home Friday morning, and cancelled the ticket on LF for a refund. But what a gong show.

It was extremely cold in upstate NY 2/3 (-25 F ambient temp, -40+ F windchill) but not a cloud in the sky. That doesn't explain the continued cancellations though. I've also flown plenty of times up here in subzero temps on Cape Air.

Cape Air doesn't have a Lav or a potable water system to freeze up.