Southwest Airlines News and Discussion - 2023

sonnyr23 · Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:13 pm

I just watched it. They hit it out of the park.

bob75013 · Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:56 pm

mcdu wrote:
sonnyr23 wrote:
It is almost as if the illusion SW has been peddling has finally been unmasked.

What illusion is that?

sonnyr23 · Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:38 pm

The Illusion that Southwest is run like Herb Kelleher still runs it with all happy and content employees, competent leadership, etc. The holiday meltdown Bob75013 exposed all of that plus more. Employees treated like crap, inept leadership, etc.
The beatdown that Southwest took with the news media and social is well deserved. The Palace media spin doctors for years were able to sweep it all under the rug but it caught up to them at last.
Hopefully things get better and the trash gets taken out at The Palace.

flight152 · Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:39 pm

All the blue bags go to Charlotte!

sonnyr23 · Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:12 pm

Red Bags to Dallas.

ctavgeek33 · Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:51 pm

The SNL skit was originally set to air last week, but they opted to have it this weekend because of time constraints or whatever.

Silver1SWA · Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:05 am

mcdu wrote:
sonnyr23 wrote:
Heard that SNL did a spoof on Southwest last night on The Holiday meltdown.

The skit is just another reminder that the meltdown isn’t being forgotten as quickly as SW thought it would. There seems to be some tone deaf leadership at SW. The promotions following the implosion seems illogical. They should have announced terminations and restructuring of their deficient departments. Let the people see they are taking action to prevent this from reoccurring This event destroyed holidays and family travels, it will long be remembered. It is almost as if the illusion SW has been peddling has finally been unmasked.

The pilots taking a strike vote, parodies of SW operations on SNL. Very interesting times for SW indeed.

Perhaps the most damning evidence of how dire the situation has become, you and I are actually in agreement. :white:

BMWdrvr75 · Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:11 am

Looking forward to the first meltdown of 2023 this week! There are serious weather conditions in Dallas…looks like Pickle Ball at the palace might be affected as well, which is much more upsetting than anything…

Bradin · Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:05 am

mcdu wrote:
sonnyr23 wrote:
Heard that SNL did a spoof on Southwest last night on The Holiday meltdown.

The skit is just another reminder that the meltdown isn’t being forgotten as quickly as SW thought it would. There seems to be some tone deaf leadership at SW. The promotions following the implosion seems illogical. They should have announced terminations and restructuring of their deficient departments. Let the people see they are taking action to prevent this from reoccurring This event destroyed holidays and family travels, it will long be remembered. It is almost as if the illusion SW has been peddling has finally been unmasked.

The pilots taking a strike vote, parodies of SW operations on SNL. Very interesting times for SW indeed.

Firing people over a mistake (a costly mistake yes) is equally tone deaf.

It creates far more problems than solutions, including:

-Firing a whole bunch of people who probably have the greatest understanding of systems and where their weaknesses lie
-Having to fill those positions
-Having those new people learn the new role while simultaneously trying to understand the problem and solve the problem.

Firing and terminating people may seem like it fixes things, however in many cases, they actually slow things down and hurts the progress towards actually fixing the problem.

frmrCapCadet · Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:21 pm

From reading the pilots' report as well as WN and various new writers, is this the take-away? WN can deal with 200-300 flight cancellations in a given period. Any more than that hopelessly overloads the system, almost like a 'denial of service' hacking can bring down other large complex computer systems. So they have a pretty good general understanding of where the system broke down. To fix it of course they have to get into the details, a lot of them and how they interact with each other. They seem convinced that the problem can be fixed by improving the capacity of existing systems, and obviously improving how those systems talk to each other.

avi8 · Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:48 pm

Any idea what we might see on the next schedule extension? I’m hoping to see a nice recovery in Florida and ATL.

ADent · Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:12 pm

WN is expecting to get 30 planes in 1Q, along with receiving 33 in 4Q 2022. WN will finally have a few planes to add service again.

Hopefully the crew training is coming along to staff that.

sprxUSA · Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:13 pm

avi8 wrote:
Any idea what we might see on the next schedule extension? I’m hoping to see a nice recovery in Florida and ATL.

They state next extension coming Feb 9th for flights through October 4th.

FlyingSicilian · Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:31 pm

sonnyr23 wrote:
Red Bags to Dallas.

SNL: You obviously don't respect yourself enough because you bought a ticket on Southwest, why should we? LOL Comedy gold.

The 20 year old IBM thinkpad laptop joke seems to not be too far off based on posts here about Southwest IT.

n471wn · Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:58 pm

N746SW has now been ferried to BHM and is retired.

BMWdrvr75 · Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:46 am

what do y’all think of a Southwest rebrand? maybe like the maverick off the 2020s! Let’s stop with the hillbilly ways and step up the be the flagship airline the United States deserves. Amazing wi-fi, a business select cabin, beverage carts, full cans of soda, decent snacks (ala jetblue) new modern proud uniforms, all aircraft have in seat charging ports! maybe some sort of amazing assigned seat system …come on what happened to all the “smart” folks at WN???Why can’t Southwest reinvent itself to be the amazing carrier it once was? Let’s step it up….let’s be the industry leader like we once were…..now let’s be proud, share that Southwest Spirit in the 2020s?

sonnyr23 · Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:46 am

" SOUTH TRAN " !!!!

BMWdrvr75 · Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:57 am

sonnyr23 wrote:
" SOUTH TRAN " !!!!

I guess there is something to be said for that….USAir to USAirways…..then America West….to American…. I don’t think the folks at 2702 Love Field Drive are capable of a brand refresh….they are still are desperately hanging on to the 1970s Southwest Airlines….the only modern and up to date feature is the new pickle ball court!

DaCubbyBearBar · Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:10 am

BMWdrvr75 wrote:
sonnyr23 wrote:
" SOUTH TRAN " !!!!

I guess there is something to be said for that….USAir to USAirways…..then America West….to American…. I don’t think the folks at 2702 Love Field Drive are capable of a brand refresh….they are still are desperately hanging on to the 1970s Southwest Airlines….the only modern and up to date feature is the new pickle ball court!

Where is the pickle ball court?? I got next!

planecane · Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:41 pm

ADent wrote:
WN is expecting to get 30 planes in 1Q, along with receiving 33 in 4Q 2022. WN will finally have a few planes to add service again.

Hopefully the crew training is coming along to staff that.

I assume there will be some retirements in the same time frame. Net the fleet will likely grow but not as quickly as the deliveries.

ASM will increase with every delivery and retirement combo until the MAX 7 arrives since they aren't retiring -800s.

UA444 · Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:48 pm

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Asiana- ... %2BhNTA%3D

Looks like N700GS was spotted on the scrap pad at VCV

n471wn · Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:22 pm

UA444 wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Asiana-Airlines/Boeing-767-38E/7126873?qsp=eJwljcEOwjAMQ//F514GDI3e4AfgwA9EbTQqlbZKM4lp2r9Tys15duwNLifljz7XwrCoTOJeMCgk9K6wWwssSWWFHYfRQHgOOcFOg0HMjrRfh8t0aqBm0VtLwpPy1Tkuyh5/fhfP8rO4ut4/t732U1geXeN4btyHWiL1DlYKEfv%2BBW%2BhNTA%3D

Looks like N700GS was spotted on the scrap pad at VCV

Yes along with N743SW. They have been there for quite some time

FlyingMSY · Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:44 pm

n471wn wrote:
UA444 wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Asiana-Airlines/Boeing-767-38E/7126873?qsp=eJwljcEOwjAMQ//F514GDI3e4AfgwA9EbTQqlbZKM4lp2r9Tys15duwNLifljz7XwrCoTOJeMCgk9K6wWwssSWWFHYfRQHgOOcFOg0HMjrRfh8t0aqBm0VtLwpPy1Tkuyh5/fhfP8rO4ut4/t732U1geXeN4btyHWiL1DlYKEfv%2BBW%2BhNTA%3D

Looks like N700GS was spotted on the scrap pad at VCV

Yes along with N743SW. They have been there for quite some time

A shame about N700, as it was the first 737 NG to enter revenue service.

DaCubbyBearBar · Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:13 pm

FlyingMSY wrote:
n471wn wrote:
UA444 wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Asiana-Airlines/Boeing-767-38E/7126873?qsp=eJwljcEOwjAMQ//F514GDI3e4AfgwA9EbTQqlbZKM4lp2r9Tys15duwNLifljz7XwrCoTOJeMCgk9K6wWwssSWWFHYfRQHgOOcFOg0HMjrRfh8t0aqBm0VtLwpPy1Tkuyh5/fhfP8rO4ut4/t732U1geXeN4btyHWiL1DlYKEfv%2BBW%2BhNTA%3D

Looks like N700GS was spotted on the scrap pad at VCV

Yes along with N743SW. They have been there for quite some time

A shame about N700, as it was the first 737 NG to enter revenue service.

I believe it was N708 that entered revenue service first, but I could be wrong

mcdu · Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:21 pm

Bradin wrote:
mcdu wrote:
sonnyr23 wrote:
Heard that SNL did a spoof on Southwest last night on The Holiday meltdown.

The skit is just another reminder that the meltdown isn’t being forgotten as quickly as SW thought it would. There seems to be some tone deaf leadership at SW. The promotions following the implosion seems illogical. They should have announced terminations and restructuring of their deficient departments. Let the people see they are taking action to prevent this from reoccurring This event destroyed holidays and family travels, it will long be remembered. It is almost as if the illusion SW has been peddling has finally been unmasked.

The pilots taking a strike vote, parodies of SW operations on SNL. Very interesting times for SW indeed.

Firing people over a mistake (a costly mistake yes) is equally tone deaf.

It creates far more problems than solutions, including:

-Firing a whole bunch of people who probably have the greatest understanding of systems and where their weaknesses lie
-Having to fill those positions
-Having those new people learn the new role while simultaneously trying to understand the problem and solve the problem.

Firing and terminating people may seem like it fixes things, however in many cases, they actually slow things down and hurts the progress towards actually fixing the problem.

If firings aren’t warranted then promotions should have been shelved also. The advancement of the team that brought the airline to a halt from the managing down philosophy should not have been promoted. The old shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic adage comes to mind.

Firing the people who have the greatest understanding is probably the best move they could make. They would be the ones that stood by and let this happen without taking preemptive action knowing what the results would be prior to the event.

Bradin · Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:06 am

mcdu wrote:
Bradin wrote:
mcdu wrote:

The skit is just another reminder that the meltdown isn’t being forgotten as quickly as SW thought it would. There seems to be some tone deaf leadership at SW. The promotions following the implosion seems illogical. They should have announced terminations and restructuring of their deficient departments. Let the people see they are taking action to prevent this from reoccurring This event destroyed holidays and family travels, it will long be remembered. It is almost as if the illusion SW has been peddling has finally been unmasked.

The pilots taking a strike vote, parodies of SW operations on SNL. Very interesting times for SW indeed.

Firing people over a mistake (a costly mistake yes) is equally tone deaf.

It creates far more problems than solutions, including:

-Firing a whole bunch of people who probably have the greatest understanding of systems and where their weaknesses lie
-Having to fill those positions
-Having those new people learn the new role while simultaneously trying to understand the problem and solve the problem.

Firing and terminating people may seem like it fixes things, however in many cases, they actually slow things down and hurts the progress towards actually fixing the problem.

If firings aren’t warranted then promotions should have been shelved also. The advancement of the team that brought the airline to a halt from the managing down philosophy should not have been promoted. The old shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic adage comes to mind.

Firing the people who have the greatest understanding is probably the best move they could make. They would be the ones that stood by and let this happen without taking preemptive action knowing what the results would be prior to the event.

Please enlighten me - what roles that were promoted, influenced or caused the 2022 meltdown.

I'll even help. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 16973.html

ADent · Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:43 am

planecane wrote:
ADent wrote:
WN is expecting to get 30 planes in 1Q, along with receiving 33 in 4Q 2022. WN will finally have a few planes to add service again.

I assume there will be some retirements in the same time frame. Net the fleet will likely grow but not as quickly as the deliveries.

ASM will increase with every delivery and retirement combo until the MAX 7 arrives since they aren't retiring -800s.

5 retirements planned for 1Q 2023. 5 completed in 4Q 2022.

bob75013 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:56 am

Bradin wrote:
mcdu wrote:
Bradin wrote:

Firing people over a mistake (a costly mistake yes) is equally tone deaf.

It creates far more problems than solutions, including:

-Firing a whole bunch of people who probably have the greatest understanding of systems and where their weaknesses lie
-Having to fill those positions
-Having those new people learn the new role while simultaneously trying to understand the problem and solve the problem.

Firing and terminating people may seem like it fixes things, however in many cases, they actually slow things down and hurts the progress towards actually fixing the problem.

If firings aren’t warranted then promotions should have been shelved also. The advancement of the team that brought the airline to a halt from the managing down philosophy should not have been promoted. The old shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic adage comes to mind.

Firing the people who have the greatest understanding is probably the best move they could make. They would be the ones that stood by and let this happen without taking preemptive action knowing what the results would be prior to the event.

Please enlighten me - what roles that were promoted, influenced or caused the 2022 meltdown.

I'll even help. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 16973.html

It's simply not possible to reason with a confirmed WN hater. Note mcdu did not answer your question.

RAM787 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:14 am

BMWdrvr75 wrote:
what do y’all think of a Southwest rebrand? maybe like the maverick off the 2020s! Let’s stop with the hillbilly ways and step up the be the flagship airline the United States deserves. Amazing wi-fi, a business select cabin, beverage carts, full cans of soda, decent snacks (ala jetblue) new modern proud uniforms, all aircraft have in seat charging ports! maybe some sort of amazing assigned seat system …come on what happened to all the “smart” folks at WN???Why can’t Southwest reinvent itself to be the amazing carrier it once was? Let’s step it up….let’s be the industry leader like we once were…..now let’s be proud, share that Southwest Spirit in the 2020s?

We can all dream

MavyWavyATR · Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:18 am

A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:

sprxUSA · Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:24 am

RAM787 wrote:
BMWdrvr75 wrote:
what do y’all think of a Southwest rebrand? maybe like the maverick off the 2020s! Let’s stop with the hillbilly ways and step up the be the flagship airline the United States deserves. Amazing wi-fi, a business select cabin, beverage carts, full cans of soda, decent snacks (ala jetblue) new modern proud uniforms, all aircraft have in seat charging ports! maybe some sort of amazing assigned seat system …come on what happened to all the “smart” folks at WN???Why can’t Southwest reinvent itself to be the amazing carrier it once was? Let’s step it up….let’s be the industry leader like we once were…..now let’s be proud, share that Southwest Spirit in the 2020s?

We can all dream

3 of those aren't enough?

Chemist · Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:32 am

MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Allow passengers to select their seats ahead of time like most of the competition.
- Implement a fee for checked bags on their "Wanna Get Away" fare; 1st one would remain free on "Wanna Get Away Plus" fares.
- Develop a premium/business cabin product to better compete with the legacies on corporate heavy routes.
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

In other words, become just like the legacies, remove any current differentiation that allowed Southwest to be the only major to not go into bankruptcy. Do I have that right?

southwest1675 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:32 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Allow passengers to select their seats ahead of time like most of the competition.
- Implement a fee for checked bags on their "Wanna Get Away" fare; 1st one would remain free on "Wanna Get Away Plus" fares.
- Develop a premium/business cabin product to better compete with the legacies on corporate heavy routes.
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

The only thing I agree with here is assigned seating, and AC power.

Jshank83 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:45 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Allow passengers to select their seats ahead of time like most of the competition.
- Implement a fee for checked bags on their "Wanna Get Away" fare; 1st one would remain free on "Wanna Get Away Plus" fares.
- Develop a premium/business cabin product to better compete with the legacies on corporate heavy routes.
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

I don't get why people want to change Southwest so much to be like others. What they are doing product wise seems to be working pretty well for them. There is no need to start charging for bags, selecting seats or make a premium cabin.

mcdu · Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:21 pm

Bradin wrote:
mcdu wrote:
Bradin wrote:

Firing people over a mistake (a costly mistake yes) is equally tone deaf.

It creates far more problems than solutions, including:

-Firing a whole bunch of people who probably have the greatest understanding of systems and where their weaknesses lie
-Having to fill those positions
-Having those new people learn the new role while simultaneously trying to understand the problem and solve the problem.

Firing and terminating people may seem like it fixes things, however in many cases, they actually slow things down and hurts the progress towards actually fixing the problem.

If firings aren’t warranted then promotions should have been shelved also. The advancement of the team that brought the airline to a halt from the managing down philosophy should not have been promoted. The old shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic adage comes to mind.

Firing the people who have the greatest understanding is probably the best move they could make. They would be the ones that stood by and let this happen without taking preemptive action knowing what the results would be prior to the event.

Please enlighten me - what roles that were promoted, influenced or caused the 2022 meltdown.

I'll even help. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 16973.html

The network planner promoted. Is that wise based on the inability to operate the network?

Let’s see how the pilot strike vote turns out.

Runway765 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:04 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Allow passengers to select their seats ahead of time like most of the competition.
- Implement a fee for checked bags on their "Wanna Get Away" fare; 1st one would remain free on "Wanna Get Away Plus" fares.
- Develop a premium/business cabin product to better compete with the legacies on corporate heavy routes.
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

I don't get why people want to change Southwest so much to be like others. What they are doing product wise seems to be working pretty well for them. There is no need to start charging for bags, selecting seats or make a premium cabin.

The only things they need to do is add power outlets (already underway) and codeshare/interline. Other than that the product is fine.

Of course, the first priority is completely modernizing their backend IT to ensure another meltdown doesn’t happen.

Vicenza · Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:52 pm

[quote="MavyWavyATR"
- Implement a fee for checked bags on their "Wanna Get Away" fare; 1st one would remain free on "Wanna Get Away Plus" fares.[/quote]

Why exactly....on both your points?

HeavyMx01 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:53 pm

mcdu wrote:
Bradin wrote:
mcdu wrote:

If firings aren’t warranted then promotions should have been shelved also. The advancement of the team that brought the airline to a halt from the managing down philosophy should not have been promoted. The old shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic adage comes to mind.

Firing the people who have the greatest understanding is probably the best move they could make. They would be the ones that stood by and let this happen without taking preemptive action knowing what the results would be prior to the event.

Please enlighten me - what roles that were promoted, influenced or caused the 2022 meltdown.

I'll even help. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 16973.html

The network planner promoted. Is that wise based on the inability to operate the network?

Let’s see how the pilot strike vote turns out.

Well I can tell you one thing, it won’t end with a strike.

USAirKid · Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:02 pm

Runway765 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

The only things they need to do is add power outlets (already underway) and codeshare/interline. Other than that the product is fine.

Southwest is providing USB-C, not AC outlets, which is an interesting choice. That should work for most people, and given that most folks tend to just put a DC power brick into a AC outlet there is some reasonable logic to that.

It will support charging laptops that use USB-C. Oddly that USB will be powerful enough that if it existed you could get a DC to AC converter and run most things off of it.

385441 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:34 pm

This just popped up on my Instagram. I thought it was a joke, but it’s a real thing. They’re peddling Bob Jordan Bobbleheads for $25.00 each…

https://www.swathestore.com/swathestore ... /p-SWA0788

Also, looks like they’re paying another dividend:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwes ... 00412.html

challeygat300 · Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:06 am

planecane wrote:
ADent wrote:
WN is expecting to get 30 planes in 1Q, along with receiving 33 in 4Q 2022. WN will finally have a few planes to add service again.

Hopefully the crew training is coming along to staff that.

I assume there will be some retirements in the same time frame. Net the fleet will likely grow but not as quickly as the deliveries.

ASM will increase with every delivery and retirement combo until the MAX 7 arrives since they aren't retiring -800s.

ASM will continu to increase, no? Since Max 7 has 7 more seats than -700?

sonnyr23 · Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:38 am

Just my worthless thoughts but Southwest should have held out for at least 3 or 4 months before releasing the Bob Jordan bobble head doll. Still so many pissed off people from the meltdown.

USAirKid · Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:03 am

sonnyr23 wrote:
Just my worthless thoughts but Southwest should have held out for at least 3 or 4 months before releasing the Bob Jordan bobble head doll. Still so many pissed off people from the meltdown.

Yeah. But it was timed for the 1 year anniversary. And I’m sure those things were ordered months ago.

BMWdrvr75 · Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:43 am

USAirKid wrote:
sonnyr23 wrote:
Just my worthless thoughts but Southwest should have held out for at least 3 or 4 months before releasing the Bob Jordan bobble head doll. Still so many pissed off people from the meltdown.

Yeah. But it was timed for the 1 year anniversary. And I’m sure those things were ordered months ago.

BMWdrvr75 · Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:47 am

BMWdrvr75 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
sonnyr23 wrote:
Just my worthless thoughts but Southwest should have held out for at least 3 or 4 months before releasing the Bob Jordan bobble head doll. Still so many pissed off people from the meltdown.

Yeah. But it was timed for the 1 year anniversary. And I’m sure those things were ordered months ago.

Just goes to show how out of touch the palace is with reality…suggesting the kool aide drinkers read….”Sky Gods -the fall of Pan Am” The similarities are uncanny, especially after Juan Tripp passed away the arrogance of Pan Am management is so similar to that of the arrogance of 2702 Love Field Drive.

planecane · Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:39 pm

challeygat300 wrote:
planecane wrote:
ADent wrote:
WN is expecting to get 30 planes in 1Q, along with receiving 33 in 4Q 2022. WN will finally have a few planes to add service again.

Hopefully the crew training is coming along to staff that.

I assume there will be some retirements in the same time frame. Net the fleet will likely grow but not as quickly as the deliveries.

ASM will increase with every delivery and retirement combo until the MAX 7 arrives since they aren't retiring -800s.

ASM will continu to increase, no? Since Max 7 has 7 more seats than -700?

Good point. I forgot about the capacity increase from the -700 to the MAX 7. It's only 6 or 7 seats but multiplied by every flight it will be somewhat significant.

WaywardMemphian · Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:39 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Allow passengers to select their seats ahead of time like most of the competition.
- Implement a fee for checked bags on their "Wanna Get Away" fare; 1st one would remain free on "Wanna Get Away Plus" fares.
- Develop a premium/business cabin product to better compete with the legacies on corporate heavy routes.
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

Southwest was doing just fine the way it is before the last meltdown. None of that besides the USB ports is really needed.

planecane · Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:41 pm

USAirKid wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

The only things they need to do is add power outlets (already underway) and codeshare/interline. Other than that the product is fine.

Southwest is providing USB-C, not AC outlets, which is an interesting choice. That should work for most people, and given that most folks tend to just put a DC power brick into a AC outlet there is some reasonable logic to that.

It will support charging laptops that use USB-C. Oddly that USB will be powerful enough that if it existed you could get a DC to AC converter and run most things off of it.

I think they said the weight was too high for the AC outlets. Also, it will be a very long time before the USB power is available on a large number of flights. They are starting with newly delivered MAX and then retrofitting the existing MAX aircraft. I don't even think there are plans to add it to the NG.

sonnyr23 · Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:26 pm

So right BMWdrivr75. The fall of Pan Am and what's happening with Southwest fast forward to 2023 are so similar it's scary. I saw Lehigh University take out Duke in March Madness many years ago. Duke was favored to win it all or at least Final Four.
Every NCCA football season a small college like Troy State or Appalachian State will pull off the big upset over Michigan , Oklahoma, Nebraska.
No Company or person in any walk of life is Unbeatable or Above The Law.
Southwest under Gary Kelly was run like 1920's Prohibition Chicago and unfortunately there was no Elliot Ness and his team of Untouchables to put a stop to it.

Aliqiout · Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:02 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
A few things I'd like to see WN implement in the future:
- Allow passengers to select their seats ahead of time like most of the competition.
- Implement a fee for checked bags on their "Wanna Get Away" fare; 1st one would remain free on "Wanna Get Away Plus" fares.
- Develop a premium/business cabin product to better compete with the legacies on corporate heavy routes.
- Install AC power in addition to USB.

Southwest was doing just fine the way it is before the last meltdown. None of that besides the USB ports is really needed.

I think you are right, although I dislike having to show up early and line up to to ensure a window seat, most don't seem to mind. What would help though would be comprehensive world wide partnerships. This is the main reason I avoid WN when there are other reasonable options. I have no interest in using frequent flyer miles to fly to Tulsa, and "status" on WN doesn't give me anything much that I care about.

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