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Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:05 pm

Welcome to a combined Los Angeles basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread for 2023.

Due to the low participation and multiyear nature of some of the previous individual threads, we will try for a combined discussion this year, similar to what we have with some other metro areas like DC, NYC, SF Bay Area and South Florida.

Please continue posting your comments below

Links to previously closed threads.
BUR - viewtopic.php?t=1468727
LAX - viewtopic.php?t=1468605
LGB - viewtopic.php?t=1436809
ONT - viewtopic.php?p=23248213
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Sun Jan 01, 2023 12:13 am

When will the T3-TBIT connector open? And will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Mon Jan 02, 2023 3:15 am

rjbesikof wrote:
When will the T3-TBIT connector open? And will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT.


Based on my observation from above we are looking at 8 months minimum for completion. No idea on the specifics though or anything re an international arrivals corridor.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Mon Jan 02, 2023 11:41 am

rjbesikof wrote:
And will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT.

Be shocked if it doesn't.

Just disembarked in T3 coming home from the holidays, and noticed that DL's definitely built the gates at the end with a potential FIS/CPB corridor in mind. There are no signs up, but if you get off at either of the gates marked 34 for example, you'll see doors that lead to the terminal, and doors that lead to what's presumably what a potential future corridor could be.

Whether they'll actually be one in use with at the time of that the T3-TBIT connector opens is a different matter entirely, but the physical infrastructure is such that DL could implement one in a snap, if desired.

Also worth noting that several gates at the end of T3 (the 32s, 34s, and 37s) are capable of parking 767s, A330s, and A350s in tandem without blocking adjacent gates.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Mon Jan 02, 2023 6:27 pm

LAWA says APM and ConRAC will actually open this year on their website. Anyone know if that's realistic?

Those will make the experience of LAX infinitely better
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:36 am

Linking the presentation that was mentioned in the 2022 thread, which showed the most up to date rendering of LAX T9 (on slide 14).
https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=4&clip_id=925&meta_id=58707

Thought it was worth pointing out some interesting changes compared to the preliminary details released in 2019:
    Increase in square footage from 1.2 million to 1.4 million.
    Extension of the concourse southward to replace the conglomerate of jet bridges.
    The landside portion now being built on top of the parking garage? Separated from the airside complex.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:00 am

rjbesikof wrote:
[]....will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT?


No. Unlike the path of the T4-TBIT connector, there is a lot of infrastructure associated with the baggage handling systems along the path of a hypothetical T3-TBIT connector.

I'm unaware of there having been a programmatic change to the T3 redevelopment. Judging from the descriptions provided by the other poster (gates observed with double doors), there may be space in the space in the T3 basement that could be converted to FIS use. If so, such a conversion would be a future development.

The more likely scenario for DL intetnational ops is a return to the T2 FIS once that is reopened & redeveloped.
 
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:06 am

aaway wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
[]....will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT?


No. Unlike the path of the T4-TBIT connector, there is a lot of infrastructure associated with the baggage handling systems along the path of a hypothetical T3-TBIT connector.

I'm unaware of there having been a programmatic change to the T3 redevelopment. Judging from the descriptions provided by the other poster (gates observed with double doors), there may be space in the space in the T3 basement that could be converted to FIS use. If so, such a conversion would be a future development.

The more likely scenario for DL intetnational ops is a return to the T2 FIS once that is reopened & redeveloped.


But there will be an airside connector from T3 to TBIT ?

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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:18 am

The777Man wrote:
aaway wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
[]....will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT?


No. Unlike the path of the T4-TBIT connector, there is a lot of infrastructure associated with the baggage handling systems along the path of a hypothetical T3-TBIT connector.

I'm unaware of there having been a programmatic change to the T3 redevelopment. Judging from the descriptions provided by the other poster (gates observed with double doors), there may be space in the space in the T3 basement that could be converted to FIS use. If so, such a conversion would be a future development.

The more likely scenario for DL intetnational ops is a return to the T2 FIS once that is reopened & redeveloped.


But there will be an airside connector from T3 to TBIT ?

The777Man


Yessir, shown in the image branching off at the lower left of the T3 outline.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:40 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
When will the T3-TBIT connector open? And will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT.


The AA corridor existed before the connector building and before TBIT West.

In fact, I always thought it had served another function before it was repurposed as an arrivals corridor to T4. Though it appeared to be below grade, part of it was open to the air, covered with a glass canopy, consistent with the aesthetics of the original TBIT. That made me think it was built at the time of the original TBIT concourse.

It's possible there was a similar corridor between T3 and the original TBIT. But it was probably removed when the Matrix building was constructed on the east side of TBIT.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:46 pm

ldvaviation wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
When will the T3-TBIT connector open? And will it have an intl arrivals corridor underneath like AA has from T4 to TBIT.


The AA corridor existed before the connector building and before TBIT West.

In fact, I always thought it had served another function before it was repurposed as an arrivals corridor to T4. Though it appeared to be below grade, part of it was open to the air, covered with a glass canopy, consistent with the aesthetics of the original TBIT. That made me think it was built at the time of the original TBIT concourse.

It's possible there was a similar corridor between T3 and the original TBIT. But it was probably removed when the Matrix building was constructed on the east side of TBIT.


The AA side existed as a sterile corridor from Gate 41 down to the T4 FIS. The further connection to TBIT occurred with the modification of interline baggage area (installation of the AA baggage diverter), and with the removal of the old escalator/stairway that linked departure level TBIT (abeam old Gate 106) to the former domestic baggage claim in Arrivals Area A of TBIT.

There wasn't a similar linkage between T3 - TBIT.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:51 pm

aaway wrote:
New gate plot for T3


Would it be possible to post an amended link? The existing google photos link does not work.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:25 pm

Bradin wrote:
aaway wrote:
New gate plot for T3


Would it be possible to post an amended link? The existing google photos link does not work.


This link has a nice picture of the gates layout for terminal 3

https://fromthecontroltower.blogspot.co ... e.html?m=1
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Thread - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:44 pm

aaway wrote:
The777Man wrote:
aaway wrote:

No. Unlike the path of the T4-TBIT connector, there is a lot of infrastructure associated with the baggage handling systems along the path of a hypothetical T3-TBIT connector.

I'm unaware of there having been a programmatic change to the T3 redevelopment. Judging from the descriptions provided by the other poster (gates observed with double doors), there may be space in the space in the T3 basement that could be converted to FIS use. If so, such a conversion would be a future development.

The more likely scenario for DL intetnational ops is a return to the T2 FIS once that is reopened & redeveloped.


But there will be an airside connector from T3 to TBIT ?

The777Man


Yessir, shown in the image branching off at the lower left of the T3 outline.


Thank you. When is that connector supposed to open ?

The777Man
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:04 pm

There is encouraging news concerning the new terminal project for BUR: https://elevatebur.com

"Update December 19, 2022:
The Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport Authority (BGPAA) Commission has awarded a Design-Build Agreement to the Holder, Pankow, TEC, Joint Venture (HPTJV) for the Replacement Passenger Terminal (RPT) project, also known as “ElevateBUR.” Additionally, the Commission authorized funding for Phase 1 of the project in the amount of $55,000,000 and approved issuance of a Notice to Proceed."


Based on this recent project go-ahead announcement, perhaps the new terminal will be ready by late-2027, but more probably by 2029.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:20 pm

Reverse Ops/Easterly Operations are in progress at LAX.

KLAX 031953Z 08015G20KT 8SM SCT008 OVC014 13/11 A3003 RMK AO2 SLP170 T01330111
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:46 pm

Bradin wrote:
Reverse Ops/Easterly Operations are in progress at LAX.

KLAX 031953Z 08015G20KT 8SM SCT008 OVC014 13/11 A3003 RMK AO2 SLP170 T01330111


Expected to continue through til Thursday most likely based on forecasts.

KLAX 041937Z 0420/0524 12008KT 2SM -RA BR OVC005
FM042100 13014KT 2SM -RA BR SCT008 OVC015
FM050700 12015G25KT 3SM RA OVC015
FM051000 12018G28KT 3SM RA BR OVC010
FM051300 12020G30KT 2SM RA BR OVC008
FM052100 24015G20KT 3SM RA BR OVC012

Always fun for ATC /s
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:53 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
There is encouraging news concerning the new terminal project for BUR: https://elevatebur.com

"Update December 19, 2022:
The Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport Authority (BGPAA) Commission has awarded a Design-Build Agreement to the Holder, Pankow, TEC, Joint Venture (HPTJV) for the Replacement Passenger Terminal (RPT) project, also known as “ElevateBUR.” Additionally, the Commission authorized funding for Phase 1 of the project in the amount of $55,000,000 and approved issuance of a Notice to Proceed."


Based on this recent project go-ahead announcement, perhaps the new terminal will be ready by late-2027, but more probably by 2029.



Such an excruciating long process. LGB one of the most fierce nimby controlled airports that managed to plan and execute the new terminal build at a rather quick pace. Hope 2027 is a more realistic date, the current facility is super convenient but insanely crammed and lacks concessions and such.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:54 pm

More Long Beach slots coming open. AA pulling out.

https://twitter.com/xjonnyc/status/1611 ... slXnBE6ccg
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:01 pm

How soon could we see the final concept images for the new BUR terminal?
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:49 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
More Long Beach slots coming open. AA pulling out.

https://twitter.com/xjonnyc/status/1611 ... slXnBE6ccg


Yep, this is a result of AA losing Mesa as a regional partner.

F9 might be successful there if they add LGB-DEN/LAS/PHX/SFO. SFO lacks LGB service ever since B6 left in 2020, and every other market that’s listed here is currently monopolized by WN.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:16 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
More Long Beach slots coming open. AA pulling out.

https://twitter.com/xjonnyc/status/1611 ... slXnBE6ccg


Yep, this is a result of AA losing Mesa as a regional partner.

F9 might be successful there if they add LGB-DEN/LAS/PHX/SFO. SFO lacks LGB service ever since B6 left in 2020, and every other market that’s listed here is currently monopolized by WN.


Do we just rename LGB to Southwest Airlines Airport. Down to 3 routes besides WN.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:19 pm

Jshank83 wrote:

Do we just rename LGB to Southwest Airlines Airport. Down to 3 routes besides WN.


You counting the Cessna 208 mail run to Catalina in there? :P
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:20 pm

Newark727 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Do we just rename LGB to Southwest Airlines Airport. Down to 3 routes besides WN.


You counting the Cessna 208 mail run to Catalina in there? :P


haha!

I really hope Southwest is doing well and expands LGB to whatever they are allowed. I have connected through there a few times and it is one of my favorites places to connect.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:57 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
More Long Beach slots coming open. AA pulling out.

https://twitter.com/xjonnyc/status/1611 ... slXnBE6ccg

So WN might get 8 more slots if the take these and the other 5 new slots.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:57 am

Iggy500 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
More Long Beach slots coming open. AA pulling out.

https://twitter.com/xjonnyc/status/1611 ... slXnBE6ccg


Yep, this is a result of AA losing Mesa as a regional partner.

F9 might be successful there if they add LGB-DEN/LAS/PHX/SFO. SFO lacks LGB service ever since B6 left in 2020, and every other market that’s listed here is currently monopolized by WN.


I swear Skywest was occasionally operating the PHX-LGB, so losing Mesa can't be the reason.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:14 am

lostsound wrote:
How soon could we see the final concept images for the new BUR terminal?


Follow this link: https://elevatebur.com/
I'm sure images will be posted once prepared & ready for public viewing.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:33 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
More Long Beach slots coming open. AA pulling out.

https://twitter.com/xjonnyc/status/1611 ... slXnBE6ccg


Yep, this is a result of AA losing Mesa as a regional partner.

F9 might be successful there if they add LGB-DEN/LAS/PHX/SFO. SFO lacks LGB service ever since B6 left in 2020, and every other market that’s listed here is currently monopolized by WN.


Do we just rename LGB to Southwest Airlines Airport. Down to 3 routes besides WN.


I remember flying into LGB in the early 2000s when AA was one of the largest (if not the largest) carriers, B6 was just getting started there.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:56 am

StinkyPinky wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
More Long Beach slots coming open. AA pulling out.

https://twitter.com/xjonnyc/status/1611 ... slXnBE6ccg


Yep, this is a result of AA losing Mesa as a regional partner.

F9 might be successful there if they add LGB-DEN/LAS/PHX/SFO. SFO lacks LGB service ever since B6 left in 2020, and every other market that’s listed here is currently monopolized by WN.


I swear Skywest was occasionally operating the PHX-LGB, so losing Mesa can't be the reason.


It absolutely can be. The Mesa flying is disappearing and isn't really being replaced - stuff that is currently flown on SkyWest metal will have to take over for some of the stuff that was on Mesa.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:56 pm

Newark727 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Do we just rename LGB to Southwest Airlines Airport. Down to 3 routes besides WN.


You counting the Cessna 208 mail run to Catalina in there? :P

No, but they might have been counting UPS to SDF! LOL!
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:08 am

Confirmed: AA exiting LGB.

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/06/a ... h-airport/

Looks like AA’s four slots are up for grabs.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:02 am

Bradin wrote:
Confirmed: AA exiting LGB.

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/06/a ... h-airport/

Looks like AA’s four slots are up for grabs.



Well that's an old America West route that finally bites the dust.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:32 pm

Does anyone know how Air Premia is doing in Los Angeles?
 
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Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:46 am

PHAN2OM wrote:
Does anyone know how Air Premia is doing in Los Angeles?


Discussed in the Premia thread >>> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1480193
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:07 pm

Would SBD be included as a Los Angeles basin airport? If so, I think any SBD discussion should be considered here.
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:11 pm

Southwest adding daily MCI-LGB. March 9th

Figured this would be on the short list

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/so ... long-beach
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:16 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Southwest adding daily MCI-LGB. March 9th

Figured this would be on the short list

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/so ... long-beach

I wonder why they only add MCI unless they haven’t allocated the other available slots ?
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:49 pm

Wneast wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Southwest adding daily MCI-LGB. March 9th

Figured this would be on the short list

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/so ... long-beach

I wonder why they only add MCI unless they haven’t allocated the other available slots ?


or maybe they are adding frequencies to other routes?
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Southwest adding daily MCI-LGB. March 9th

Figured this would be on the short list

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/so ... long-beach

I wonder why they only add MCI unless they haven’t allocated the other available slots ?


or maybe they are adding frequencies to other routes?

Maybe
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:06 pm

nine4nine wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
There is encouraging news concerning the new terminal project for BUR: https://elevatebur.com

"Update December 19, 2022:
The Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport Authority (BGPAA) Commission has awarded a Design-Build Agreement to the Holder, Pankow, TEC, Joint Venture (HPTJV) for the Replacement Passenger Terminal (RPT) project, also known as “ElevateBUR.” Additionally, the Commission authorized funding for Phase 1 of the project in the amount of $55,000,000 and approved issuance of a Notice to Proceed."


Based on this recent project go-ahead announcement, perhaps the new terminal will be ready by late-2027, but more probably by 2029.



Such an excruciating long process. LGB one of the most fierce nimby controlled airports that managed to plan and execute the new terminal build at a rather quick pace. Hope 2027 is a more realistic date, the current facility is super convenient but insanely crammed and lacks concessions and such.


LGB has a lot more real estate to play with than BUR. BUR can't close any part of the current terminal before the new one opens. Additionally, at least part of the BUR terminal is a historic landmark, so they have be be cautious that way. Further, the public transportation access at BUR is unique and a feature, so they need to plan around that.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:45 pm

Odd to see ONT in east/reverse ops today under cloudless/unlimited visibility/calm wind conditions!
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:34 am

DL launching LAX-AKL on Oct.28th. A350-900
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:47 pm

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Odd to see ONT in east/reverse ops today under cloudless/unlimited visibility/calm wind conditions!


If the winds are less than 8 knots out of the west ONT will run the noise abatement CONTRA operation. Between 10pm and 7am all arrivals land RWY26L/R all JET departures will depart RWY8L/R. Oddly enough all props will depart RWY26L/R. It was fun to run but I hated it from an operational standpoint when I was still working in the tower there.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:57 am

FX1816 wrote:
san747 wrote:
Odd to see ONT in east/reverse ops today under cloudless/unlimited visibility/calm wind conditions!


If the winds are less than 8 knots out of the west ONT will run the noise abatement CONTRA operation. Between 10pm and 7am all arrivals land RWY26L/R all JET departures will depart RWY8L/R. Oddly enough all props will depart RWY26L/R. It was fun to run but I hated it from an operational standpoint when I was still working in the tower there.


LAX OOO (Over Ocean Operations) is similar. Between midnight and 0630 local, arrivals are to 6R and departures from 25R.

The only exception to this are winds, ceiling below 400, or taxiway closures that preclude landing 6R.

From a safety and efficiency perspective it’s asinine, but south and south east LA are so densely populated that I can’t help but agree with the procedure even when it causes delays.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:34 am

Shouldn’t the 5 extra noise slots at LGB been awarded by now?
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:55 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Shouldn’t the 5 extra noise slots at LGB been awarded by now?


Yes, they should be awarded soon. Also, keep in mind, the 3 slots AA had will be come available, so actually 8 slots (5 provisional and 3 permanent slots).

I have heard Avelo was considering 2 slots at LGB....anyone else heard that? Also, anyone know about Swoop? They are supposed to be on the waiting list. I doubt Breeze will take slots since they have SNA and LAX. Delta still have 7 slots, but only flying 3 (SEA??).

Is it possible WN will pick up all 5 (possibly 8) slots? With 38 now, that would give them 43 (possibly 46) slots - they have 44 out of SNA.
 
Desertkid
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Fri Jan 27, 2023 3:05 pm

USTraveler wrote:
Bradin wrote:
Confirmed: AA exiting LGB.

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/06/a ... h-airport/

Looks like AA’s four slots are up for grabs.



Well that's an old America West route that finally bites the dust.


Actually, with USAirways taking over AA, the history at LGB goes back to 1970 when PSA started service! When AA leaves LGB, a lot of history will leave with them. It will be truly a sad day!
 
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:02 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Shouldn’t the 5 extra noise slots at LGB been awarded by now?


It's city government, so things don't really move all that fast. Plus with AA leaving in a month there's not exactly a shortage of slots. But I think the recommendation from the noise budget review was approved by the airport commission earlier this month so I imagine the airport is now polling the airlines on the waitlist to see who actually wants slots.
 
evank516
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Re: Los Angeles Basin (BUR/LAX/LGB/ONT/SNA) Aviation - 2023

Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:45 pm

Desertkid wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Shouldn’t the 5 extra noise slots at LGB been awarded by now?


Yes, they should be awarded soon. Also, keep in mind, the 3 slots AA had will be come available, so actually 8 slots (5 provisional and 3 permanent slots).

I have heard Avelo was considering 2 slots at LGB....anyone else heard that? Also, anyone know about Swoop? They are supposed to be on the waiting list. I doubt Breeze will take slots since they have SNA and LAX. Delta still have 7 slots, but only flying 3 (SEA??).

Is it possible WN will pick up all 5 (possibly 8) slots? With 38 now, that would give them 43 (possibly 46) slots - they have 44 out of SNA.


Are Delta's slots commuter, or whatever they call the non-commuter slots? Or do they have a mix of both? I know they periodically upgauge LGB and then downgauge it back to RJs so maybe some are commuter some aren't?

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