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TonyClifton wrote:I’ve heard 737-900ERs are possible.
rainaviation2 wrote:Predictions & Fact for SY in 2023:
Fact:
- SY will fly 120 routes across 90 airports in 2023
- SY will resume service to JFK, STL
- SY will begin service to RAP, TVC, COS, ILM, MCI, OMA, RIC, DTW, CMH, SDF, ACY, CLT
Jude Bricker spoke alot of "demand driven dispatch" as their focus in 2023 and the importance of MSP... With that in mind...
- SY will focus on adding routes out of MSP for the Fall and Winter Season to possibly include:
- MSP-SXM (this would be a resumption)
- MSP-NAS (also a resumption)
- MSP-SLC, ATL (to compete with DL on those markets, similar to their addition in DTW)
- MSP-DAB (this aligns with their focus of serving literally every single city along the FL coast)
- To free up ramp space in MSP overnight, SY will add a seasonal MSP-FAR turn to attempt to gain connecting traffic in the winter months as well
Thoughts?
FARmd90 wrote:I would love to see SY add a MSP-FAR route and also try a few route expansions out of FAR.
stlgph wrote:If Eau Claire works out, some shorter turns out of MSP to feed into MSP may prove fruitful: Duluth, Fargo, Sioux Falls, Dubuque, Moline, and the like.
CMHtraveler wrote:SY rampers have voted to unionize with the Teamsters, votes were counted yesterday. Based on the article, I assume that only MSP is in-house?
https://teamster.org/2023/01/sun-countr ... local-970/
RJNUT wrote:wish the new TVC summer svc made connections. many of the new seasonal adds do
sunking737 wrote:By summer they will have 42 737 flying pax. That's lot of flying you can do with 42 jets.
rainaviation2 wrote:RJNUT wrote:wish the new TVC summer svc made connections. many of the new seasonal adds do
I think there is more summer schedule to be loaded into the system for SY. There are some obvious blocks missing in their schedule that they have operated consistently for years that haven't been loaded.
rainaviation2 wrote:Is there data on how many of SY's pax are connecting in MSP?
I am curious if they could capitalize more on connecting traffic. For example, there is a convenient PWM-MSP-ANC and back that they are selling many days this summer. SY could further build their brand in the midwest by marketing flights as "one stop to Cancun" and such.
rainaviation2 wrote:SY added Fargo to their landline service...
Any possibility we see them adding FAR as a flight station as well?
I mentioned it before... Could be a good thing for SY to get a plane out of MSP for the night!
rainaviation2 wrote:Does anyone know what a 6XXX numbered flight would be?
I know 8XXX is charter, 3XXX is cargo, but what is 6?
SY6010 operated from SBD to CVG today, for reference.
sunking737 wrote:Amazon Ferry Flight. A/C being moved to different city
stlgph wrote:Curious if anyone has been keeping a tally/list/sheet of Sun Country departures for cities/days out of MSP particularly when all the spring service ramp-ups begin....
stlgph wrote:as in...
Sundays and Thursdays Sun Country serves these 15 cities
Mondays and Fridays - these 17 cities, etc. etc.
stlgph wrote:in total......
rainaviation2 wrote:Does anyone know what a 6XXX numbered flight would be?
I know 8XXX is charter, 3XXX is cargo, but what is 6?
SY6010 operated from SBD to CVG today, for reference.
stlgph wrote:Wonder how many of these flights will be stairway boarding.
freakyrat wrote:stlgph wrote:Wonder how many of these flights will be stairway boarding.
Flights in and out of DFW are bussed to a ramp unless there is a bridge gate open.
seat1a wrote:freakyrat wrote:stlgph wrote:Wonder how many of these flights will be stairway boarding.
Flights in and out of DFW are bussed to a ramp unless there is a bridge gate open.
DFW like a small focus city - did they find a niche market for themselves to Mexico resorts? These flights must be doing well?
stlgph wrote:As mentioned, Sun Country's schedule seems to be changing all the time.
And boy, is it ever all over the place.
This is information pulled from the week of July 9-15 out of Minneapolis as sent over by my compadre who works there.
SUNDAY
600a SAN FRANCISCO
605a SEATTLE
615a DENVER
620a FT MYERS
630a BURLINGTON
630a PROVIDENCE
645a JFK
650a BOSTON
705a NEWARK
715a ORLANDO
720a PHILADELPHIA
730a WILMINGTON
735a BALTIMORE
745a LOS ANGELES
800a DALLAS FT WORTH
805a CHARLESTON
815a TAMPA
820a PITTSBURGH
835a BUFFALO
845a BOZEMAN
850a NASHVILLE
905a HOUSTON
915a LAS VEGAS
930a ANCHORAGE
1000a DENVER
1200p LOS ANGELES
215p INDIANAPOLIS
220p FT WALTON BEACH
230p ASHEVILLE
230p NEW ORLEANS
245p RALEIGH DURHAM
250p SAN FRANCISCO
300p RENO
305p SEATTLE
315p SAN DIEGO
320p ORLANDO
330p LOS ANGELES
335p DETROIT
345p PHOENIX
350p SPOKANE
400p PORTLAND
405p LAS VEGAS
415p NASHVILLE
420p COLORADO SPRINGS
430p CINCINNATI
435p DENVER
500p MILWAUKEE
500p ANCHORAGE
550p OHARE
745p EAU CLAIRE
850p SAN FRANCISCO
855p LOS ANGELES
905p SEATTLE
930p LAS VEGAS
MONDAY
600a SAN FRANCISCO
605a SEATTLE
615a PHILADELPHIA
620a LAS VEGAS
630a ATLANTIC CITY
635a DETROIT
645a JFK
650a BOSTON
700a ORLANDO
705a NEWARK
715a CHARLOTTE
720a FT MYERS
730a BALTIMORE
735a RICHMOND
745a EAU CLAIRE
755a DALLAS FT WORTH
800a ANCHORAGE
810a SAN ANTONIO
815a TAMPA
825a PITTSBURGH
845a LOUISVILLE
900a LOS ANGELES
1000a DENVER
1200p TRAVERSE CITY
220p INDIANAPOLIS
230p MYRTLE BEACH
235p RALEIGH DURHAM
250p SAN FRANCISCO
300p KANSAS CITY
305p SEATTLE
315p SAN DIEGO
320p PHOENIX
330p LOS ANGELES
335p PORTLAND
345p OMAHA
350p DENVER
400p NASHVILLE
405p LAS VEGAS
415p RAPID CITY
420p ST LOUIS
430p COLUMBUS
435p CINCINNATI
500p ANCHORAGE
550p OHARE
845p SAN FRANCISCO
855p LOS ANGELES
905p SEATTLE
TUESDAY
650a BOSTON
705a NEWARK
745a BALTIMORE
800a ANCHORAGE
830a LOS ANGELES
900a ORLANDO
930a FT MYERS
1000a SAN FRANCISCO
1030a SEATTLE
1100a LAS VEGAS
1130a DENVER
1200p PORTLAND
100p LOS ANGELES
200p SAN FRANCISCO
315p SAN DIEGO
500p ANCHORAGE
550p OHARE
WEDNESDAY
650a BOSTON
705a NEWARK
730a PHILADELPHIA
745a BALTIMORE
800a ANCHORAGE
900a ORLANDO
905a VANCOUVER
930s LOS ANGELES
1000a FT MYERS
1030a SAN FRANCISCO
1100a LAS VEGAS
1130a SEATTLE
1200p DENVER
100Pp PORTLAND
300p LAS VEGAS
315p SAN DIEGO
430p EAU CLAIRE
500p ANCHORAGE
550p OHARE
845p SAN FRANCISCO
855p LOS ANGELES
THURSDAY
600a SAN FRANCISCO
605a SEATTLE
615a FT MYERS
620a ORLANDO
630a PROVIDENCE
635a DETROIT
645a JFK
650a BOSTON
700a BURLINGTON
705a NEWARK
715a TAMPA
720a BALTIMORE
735a WILMINGTON
745a PHILADELPHIA
750a CHARLESTON
800a BUFFALO
805a DALLAS FT WORTH
820a PITTSBURGH
900a LOS ANGELES
905a HOUSTON
915a LAS VEGAS
930a ANCHORAGE
1000a DENVER
1200p LOS ANGELES
200P ORLANDO
215p INDIANAPOLIS
220p FT WALTON BEACH
230p ASHEVILLE
235p RALEIGH DURHAM
245p NEW ORLEANS
250p SAN FRANCISCO
300p RENO
305p SEATTLE
315p SAN DIEGO
320p PHOENIX
330p LOS ANGELES
335p PORTLAND
350p DENVER
400p NASHVILLE
405p LAS VEGAS
415p COLORADO SPRINGS
430p CINCINNATI
500p ANCHORAGE
550p OHARE
845p SAN FRANCISCO
855p LOS ANGELES
905p SEATTLE
930p LAS VEGAS
FRIDAY
600a SAN FRANCISCO
605a SEATTLE
615a FT MYERS
620a LAS VEGAS
630a ATLANTIC CITY
635a DETROIT
645a JFK
650a BOSTON
700a ORLANDO
705a NEWARK
715a PHILDAELPHIA
720a CHARLOTTE
730a BALTIMORE
735a RICHMOND
745a EAU CLAIRE
755a DALLAS FT WORTH
800a MILWAUKEE
810a SAN ANTONIO
815a TAMPA
825a PITTSBURGH
845a BOZEMAN
845a LOUISVILLE
900a LOS ANGELES
930a ANCHORAGE
1200p DENVER
1210p TRAVERSE CITY
220p INDIANAPOLIS
230p MYRTLE BEACH
235p RALEIGH DURHAM
250p SAN FRANCISCO
255p PHOENIX
305p SEATTLE
315p SAN DIEGO
320p KANSAS CITY
330p LOS ANGELES
335p PORTLAND
345p OMAHA
355p NASHVILLE
400p DENVER
405p LAS VEGAS
415p ST LOUIS
420p COLUMBUS
430p CINCINNATI
435p RAPID CITY
500p ANCHORAGE
550p OHARE
845p SAN FRANCISCO
855p LOS ANGELES
905p SEATTLE
SATURDAY
615a FT MYERS
645a ORLANDO
650a BOSTON
700a SEATTLE
705a NEWARK
730a LAS VEGAS
745a BALTIMORE
755a DALLAS FT WORTH
800a ANCHORAGE
810a CANCUN
830a TAMPA
900a SAN JUAN
905a VANCOUVER
930a LOS ANGELES
1000a DENVER
300p SAN FRANCISCO
305p SEATTLE
315p SAN DIEGO
320p ORLANDO
330p LOS ANGELES
335p PORTLAND
345p PHOENIX
350p DENVER
400p NASHVILLE
415p LAS VEGAS
500p ANCHORAGE
845p SAN FRANCISCO
855p LOS ANGELES
pmanni1 wrote:I do not understand SY's strategy. From STL it's just 2 weekly to MSP and no connections available. What is the point of that? How can that compete with DL and WN?
pmanni1 wrote:I do not understand SY's strategy. From STL it's just 2 weekly to MSP and no connections available. What is the point of that? How can that compete with DL and WN?
AC4500 wrote:It's interesting to see SY take a competitive stance on MSP-SEA, at three daily flights scheduled for this summer. That route is quite overserved (DL 6x, AS 3x, SY 3x).
F9Animal wrote:AC4500 wrote:It's interesting to see SY take a competitive stance on MSP-SEA, at three daily flights scheduled for this summer. That route is quite overserved (DL 6x, AS 3x, SY 3x).
I don't see it as competitive, I see it as money. I'm sure Sun Country has some packages available with several of the cruise lines going out of SEA in the summer. SEA is a whole different kind of ball game in Summer.
rainaviation2 wrote:pmanni1 wrote:I do not understand SY's strategy. From STL it's just 2 weekly to MSP and no connections available. What is the point of that? How can that compete with DL and WN?
SY's strategy is VFR (visiting friends and relatives) traffic out of MSP. Simple niche that they have found themselves to be quite good at!
When people in the Twin Cities are thinking vacation and/or visiting family, I know for many the Sun Country website is where they look first.
stl07 wrote:rainaviation2 wrote:pmanni1 wrote:I do not understand SY's strategy. From STL it's just 2 weekly to MSP and no connections available. What is the point of that? How can that compete with DL and WN?
SY's strategy is VFR (visiting friends and relatives) traffic out of MSP. Simple niche that they have found themselves to be quite good at!
When people in the Twin Cities are thinking vacation and/or visiting family, I know for many the Sun Country website is where they look first.
Being from STL, I have noticed that people at TSA in the C checkpoint usually have MN Ids around the time SY is leaving.
rainaviation2 wrote:stl07 wrote:rainaviation2 wrote:
SY's strategy is VFR (visiting friends and relatives) traffic out of MSP. Simple niche that they have found themselves to be quite good at!
When people in the Twin Cities are thinking vacation and/or visiting family, I know for many the Sun Country website is where they look first.
Being from STL, I have noticed that people at TSA in the C checkpoint usually have MN Ids around the time SY is leaving.
Yeah... I would be curious to see the % of SY pax that have MN home addresses. I am sure it is more than 75%
Most people do not even know SY is an airline unless they are in the industry, love aviation, or are from MN.
pmanni1 wrote:I do not understand SY's strategy. From STL it's just 2 weekly to MSP and no connections available. What is the point of that? How can that compete with DL and WN?