Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Link to the 2022 thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468451

DL is upgauging JFK-MCI to mainline from March 9-April 9. A220-100. Hope this continues beyond April 9.

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

trexel94 wrote:

Possibilities

What’s everyone else’s take?

AA re-adding MCI-LAX nonstop service is a possibility with DL still down to only 1 daily nonstop on MCI-LAX through end of schedule (which goes through 11/28/2023).

WN increasing MCI-SEA nonstop service back to daily nonstop service is a possibility with SEA being one of the largest WN stations that doesn't have daily nonstop service out of MCI on WN along with DL still down to only 1 daily nonstop on MCI-SEA through end of schedule (which goes through 11/28/2023).

jplatts wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Possibilities

What’s everyone else’s take?

AA re-adding MCI-LAX nonstop service is a possibility with DL still down to only 1 daily nonstop on MCI-LAX through end of schedule (which goes through 11/28/2023).

WN increasing MCI-SEA nonstop service back to daily nonstop service is a possibility with SEA being one of the largest WN stations that doesn't have daily nonstop service out of MCI on WN along with DL still down to only 1 daily nonstop on MCI-SEA through end of schedule (which goes through 11/28/2023).

AS is increasing SEA to 3x daily

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

I really have to wonder if a club is truly necessary. The traffic will mostly be starting their trip in KC, little to no connecting traffic in KC so not much need for a lounge. It didn't stop BA from adding CVG. STL has had an AA Lounge for years and BA never came.

trexel94 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

I really have to wonder if a club is truly necessary. The traffic will mostly be starting their trip in KC, little to no connecting traffic in KC so not much need for a lounge. It didn't stop BA from adding CVG. STL has had an AA Lounge for years and BA never came.

Definitely isn't necessary but I am sure it doesn't hurt. CVG has lounges that BA could do a deal with if they want. And who knows, with how much AA is expanding there maybe they will put in their own. They still have some time to figure it out if they want to before flights start.

I don't thinking having a lounge means you get anything. STL is a holdover from the hub days. Just thought if BA likely was coming to MCI then it might give a bit more incentive for AA to add one and not pull out last minute. I doubt it really means much, I just thought it was interesting.

Interesting stats from Justin Meyer this week:

The new airport terminal supports 50,000+ passengers per day.

Parking prices will be around the same as today

10 nursing rooms

a bit more incentive for AA to add one and not pull out last minute

Do we know that AA had a Club deal and pulled out or was it (1) just speculation that it would be AA or (2) negotiations/discussions took place and they couldn't agree on terms? Saying they pulled out implies there was an agreement and AA had a change of heart.

MatthewTKS wrote:

a bit more incentive for AA to add one and not pull out last minute

Do we know that AA had a Club deal and pulled out or was it (1) just speculation that it would be AA or (2) negotiations/discussions took place and they couldn't agree on terms? Saying they pulled out implies there was an agreement and AA had a change of heart.

I thought most were under the assumption (or heavily rumored by enough people who don’t post a bunch of random speculation) AA was going to take the other space. Then that abruptly changed.

I don’t think they had an agreement. I took it more as they were close but something changed where AA decided they didn’t want the space anymore. I don’t know what that something is

jplatts wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Possibilities

What’s everyone else’s take?

AA re-adding MCI-LAX nonstop service is a possibility with DL still down to only 1 daily nonstop on MCI-LAX through end of schedule (which goes through 11/28/2023).

WN increasing MCI-SEA nonstop service back to daily nonstop service is a possibility with SEA being one of the largest WN stations that doesn't have daily nonstop service out of MCI on WN along with DL still down to only 1 daily nonstop on MCI-SEA through end of schedule (which goes through 11/28/2023).

I feel like AA used to run MCI-LAX a while back? Anyone else recall?

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

It is interesting that AA runs more PAX through MCI (than DL) but doesn’t plan to have a club. Would love to know what truly goes into saying “this airport needs a club” (for non-hubs that is)

blhp68 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

It is interesting that AA runs more PAX through MCI (than DL) but doesn’t plan to have a club. Would love to know what truly goes into saying “this airport needs a club” (for non-hubs that is)

Maybe they made a deal with the generic club operator. Why waste the money for a club if you can do that

blhp68 wrote:

I feel like AA used to run MCI-LAX a while back? Anyone else recall?

AA was operating MCI-LAX nonstop service between June 2016 and December 2017.

stl07 wrote:

blhp68 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

It is interesting that AA runs more PAX through MCI (than DL) but doesn’t plan to have a club. Would love to know what truly goes into saying “this airport needs a club” (for non-hubs that is)

Maybe they made a deal with the generic club operator. Why waste the money for a club if you can do that

Who IS the generic club operator?

KCaviator wrote:

stl07 wrote:

blhp68 wrote:

It is interesting that AA runs more PAX through MCI (than DL) but doesn’t plan to have a club. Would love to know what truly goes into saying “this airport needs a club” (for non-hubs that is)

Maybe they made a deal with the generic club operator. Why waste the money for a club if you can do that

Who IS the generic club operator?

I've gotten the vibe it is an AMEX Escape Lounge. But I haven't seen anything confirmed. I personally hope it is something that takes priority pass and escape lounges do not.

blhp68 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

It is interesting that AA runs more PAX through MCI (than DL) but doesn’t plan to have a club. Would love to know what truly goes into saying “this airport needs a club” (for non-hubs that is)

A lot of it depends on your elite level customer numbers. Especially with new membership rules in different programs, you really want it there for elite flyers, not just day pass people.

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

Justin told me RDU is a possibility for DL. They also used to run MCO and CUN a few years ago. If they really want to be ambitious, they could launch CDG. 2nd largest European market after LHR from KC. Everything appears to be in place. Huge new lounge, new terminal, large FF base.

How crazy would it be for VS to fly to KC? Skyteam partner (thus can use DL's lounge) and passengers can still access BA's network. Best of both worlds. They're also in expansion mode. But like VX, they appear to only be interested in "cool/hip" cities but I do recall they seriously considered adding STL at one point.

trexel94 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Welcome to the 2023 aviation thread for KC.

2023 will be an eventful year early on with the anticipated opening of the new terminal in late February/early March.

As for new flights, WN will be restoring precovid routes and adding additional frequencies to existing routes.

Confirmed changes…

WN restoring IND, MKE, MSP, ABQ and SAT

AC restoring and upgrading YYZ to the CRJ7

AS restoring PDX and upgrading to the 739

Sun Country coming in April

Possibilities
The biggest possibility (barring the economy doesn’t tank) is the potential for BA announcing KC late fall as Justin was aiming for a 2024 launch.

Icelandair is also on the move adding/restoring routes. Would be great if they came back. The MAX would make the route much more viable.

Might be a long shot for 2023 but Volaris did list KC as a potential add for service to MEX and GDL. Although I would honestly prefer AM.

Breeze?

What’s everyone else’s take?

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

Justin told me RDU is a possibility for DL. They also used to run MCO and CUN a few years ago. If they really want to be ambitious, they could launch CDG. 2nd largest European market after LHR from KC. Everything appears to be in place. Huge new lounge, new terminal, large FF base.

How crazy would it be for VS to fly to KC? Skyteam partner (thus can use DL's lounge) and passengers can still access BA's network. Best of both worlds. They're also in expansion mode. But like VX, they appear to only be interested in "cool/hip" cities but I do recall they seriously considered adding STL at one point.

I like your thinking with VS, since it’s a delta partner. I still feel like Delta or partner is the best chance I’d success. Only issue in my mind is I don’t know if they have much connecting options out of LHR, so that would probably be the one big hold up.

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Technically AS is just a seasonal resumption, it ran last year. But the bigger plane is nice.


I think international wise, we really need to see the A321XLR start getting delivered. It SHOULD have the range for Europe to MCI, and that really opens up options.

Curious to see what else Delta does with MCI. I can see them expanding more, just not sure what adds make sense. Maybe Florida? DCA? AUS if they ever really do a focus city there.

AA backing out of putting in a club makes me wonder how likely BA really is. Might not at all be related but something I thought about. Not that BA couldn't strike a deal with whatever the independent club going in will be like LH did at STL.

Justin told me RDU is a possibility for DL. They also used to run MCO and CUN a few years ago. If they really want to be ambitious, they could launch CDG. 2nd largest European market after LHR from KC. Everything appears to be in place. Huge new lounge, new terminal, large FF base.

How crazy would it be for VS to fly to KC? Skyteam partner (thus can use DL's lounge) and passengers can still access BA's network. Best of both worlds. They're also in expansion mode. But like VX, they appear to only be interested in "cool/hip" cities but I do recall they seriously considered adding STL at one point.

I like your thinking with VS, since it’s a delta partner. I still feel like Delta or partner is the best chance I’d success. Only issue in my mind is I don’t know if they have much connecting options out of LHR, so that would probably be the one big hold up.

Virgin isn’t gonna add a destination that’s not popular with Brits and/or not a Sky Team hub. MCI-LHR would have to survive off almost all local traffic if it was VS, as their LHR connecting network is tiny. It’s BA or nothing for MCI-LHR.

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Anyone else waiting to see if they get to help out next month with the trial runs?

Cactus739 wrote:

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Yes, just don't know what the independent club is yet.

Cactus739 wrote:

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Anyone else waiting to see if they get to help out next month with the trial runs?

I signed up, but apparently they had 12,000 applicants, so I'm not holding my breath. Keeping my fingers crossed though.

Cactus739 wrote:

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Anyone else waiting to see if they get to help out next month with the trial runs?

Yes, I believe participants will be notified next week.

FLYKTPA wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Justin told me RDU is a possibility for DL. They also used to run MCO and CUN a few years ago. If they really want to be ambitious, they could launch CDG. 2nd largest European market after LHR from KC. Everything appears to be in place. Huge new lounge, new terminal, large FF base.

How crazy would it be for VS to fly to KC? Skyteam partner (thus can use DL's lounge) and passengers can still access BA's network. Best of both worlds. They're also in expansion mode. But like VX, they appear to only be interested in "cool/hip" cities but I do recall they seriously considered adding STL at one point.

I like your thinking with VS, since it’s a delta partner. I still feel like Delta or partner is the best chance I’d success. Only issue in my mind is I don’t know if they have much connecting options out of LHR, so that would probably be the one big hold up.

Virgin isn’t gonna add a destination that’s not popular with Brits and/or not a Sky Team hub. MCI-LHR would have to survive off almost all local traffic if it was VS, as their LHR connecting network is tiny. It’s BA or nothing for MCI-LHR.

Well i'm sure BA doesn't add cities Brits aren't going to either. VS listed RDU, SAN and DEN as potential adds recently, they certainly aren't Skyteam hubs. Plus. YES, VS passengers are able to connect on BA flights as VS has a JV with them like Condor with LH... For example i did a dummy booking for LAX-BER and LAX-NBO on VS' website and low and behold I can connect in LHR to BER & NBO on BA. It was mentioned two years ago in the KCStar that KC was in discussion with multiple carriers for LHR service. VS could be a great alternative.

Once again, VS has a JV agreement with BA.

trexel94 wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

I like your thinking with VS, since it’s a delta partner. I still feel like Delta or partner is the best chance I’d success. Only issue in my mind is I don’t know if they have much connecting options out of LHR, so that would probably be the one big hold up.

Virgin isn’t gonna add a destination that’s not popular with Brits and/or not a Sky Team hub. MCI-LHR would have to survive off almost all local traffic if it was VS, as their LHR connecting network is tiny. It’s BA or nothing for MCI-LHR.

Well i'm sure BA doesn't add cities Brits aren't going to either. VS listed RDU, SAN and DEN as potential adds recently, they certainly aren't Skyteam hubs. Plus. YES, VS passengers are able to connect on BA flights as VS has a JV with them like Condor with LH... For example i did a dummy booking for LAX-BER and LAX-NBO on VS' website and low and behold I can connect in LHR to BER & NBO on BA. It was mentioned two years ago in the KCStar that KC was in discussion with multiple carriers for LHR service. VS could be a great alternative.

Once again, VS has a JV agreement with BA.

The mention of VS’s interest in DEN, RDU etc is years old, pre covid in fact.

Didn’t know VS/BA codeshare with each other. Good for VS. I’m pretty sure BA/VS don’t have a Joint Venture. Maybe you’re thinking about AA/BA?

Nonetheless, Virgin’s past adds are always hip, up-and-coming and popular with Brits, destinations that fit the Virgin brand. AUS, LAS, TPA etc.

As recently as this week, Virgin’s CEO stated they will join Sky Team this spring and adds going forward will correlate with their membership - so the likes of MEX, ICN etc.

MCI would be BA or nothing, in my opinion. Virgin makes little sense.

FLYKTPA wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

Virgin isn’t gonna add a destination that’s not popular with Brits and/or not a Sky Team hub. MCI-LHR would have to survive off almost all local traffic if it was VS, as their LHR connecting network is tiny. It’s BA or nothing for MCI-LHR.

Well i'm sure BA doesn't add cities Brits aren't going to either. VS listed RDU, SAN and DEN as potential adds recently, they certainly aren't Skyteam hubs. Plus. YES, VS passengers are able to connect on BA flights as VS has a JV with them like Condor with LH... For example i did a dummy booking for LAX-BER and LAX-NBO on VS' website and low and behold I can connect in LHR to BER & NBO on BA. It was mentioned two years ago in the KCStar that KC was in discussion with multiple carriers for LHR service. VS could be a great alternative.

Once again, VS has a JV agreement with BA.

The mention of VS’s interest in DEN, RDU etc is years old, pre covid in fact.

Didn’t know VS/BA codeshare with each other. Good for VS. I’m pretty sure BA/VS don’t have a Joint Venture. Maybe you’re thinking about AA/BA?

Nonetheless, Virgin’s past adds are always hip, up-and-coming and popular with Brits, destinations that fit the Virgin brand. AUS, LAS, TPA etc.

As recently as this week, Virgin’s CEO stated they will join Sky Team this spring and adds going forward will correlate with their membership - so the likes of MEX, ICN etc.

MCI would be BA or nothing, in my opinion. Virgin makes little sense.

Assuming Wikipedia is correct...

Codeshare agreements
Virgin Atlantic has codeshare agreements with the following airlines:

Aeroméxico
Air France (Joint Venture Partner)
Air New Zealand
Delta Air Lines (Joint Venture Partner)
IndiGo
KLM (Joint Venture Partner)
LATAM Airlines Group
Middle East Airlines
Singapore Airlines
Virgin Australia
WestJet
Interline agreements

Virgin Atlantic has interline agreements with the following airlines:

Aegean Airlines
Aer Lingus
Air India
Airlink
Air Malta
Air Serbia
Bulgaria Air
British Airways
Caribbean Airlines
Hawaiian Airlines
Hong Kong Airlines
Icelandair
ITA Airways
Kenya Airways
Scandinavian Airlines
TAP Air Portugal
TAROM
Turkish Airlines
Vistara

Jshank83 wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Well i'm sure BA doesn't add cities Brits aren't going to either. VS listed RDU, SAN and DEN as potential adds recently, they certainly aren't Skyteam hubs. Plus. YES, VS passengers are able to connect on BA flights as VS has a JV with them like Condor with LH... For example i did a dummy booking for LAX-BER and LAX-NBO on VS' website and low and behold I can connect in LHR to BER & NBO on BA. It was mentioned two years ago in the KCStar that KC was in discussion with multiple carriers for LHR service. VS could be a great alternative.

Once again, VS has a JV agreement with BA.

The mention of VS’s interest in DEN, RDU etc is years old, pre covid in fact.

Didn’t know VS/BA codeshare with each other. Good for VS. I’m pretty sure BA/VS don’t have a Joint Venture. Maybe you’re thinking about AA/BA?

Nonetheless, Virgin’s past adds are always hip, up-and-coming and popular with Brits, destinations that fit the Virgin brand. AUS, LAS, TPA etc.

As recently as this week, Virgin’s CEO stated they will join Sky Team this spring and adds going forward will correlate with their membership - so the likes of MEX, ICN etc.

MCI would be BA or nothing, in my opinion. Virgin makes little sense.

Assuming Wikipedia is correct...

Codeshare agreements
Virgin Atlantic has codeshare agreements with the following airlines:

Aeroméxico
Air France (Joint Venture Partner)
Air New Zealand
Delta Air Lines (Joint Venture Partner)
IndiGo
KLM (Joint Venture Partner)
LATAM Airlines Group
Middle East Airlines
Singapore Airlines
Virgin Australia
WestJet
Interline agreements

Virgin Atlantic has interline agreements with the following airlines:

Aegean Airlines
Aer Lingus
Air India
Airlink
Air Malta
Air Serbia
Bulgaria Air
British Airways
Caribbean Airlines
Hawaiian Airlines
Hong Kong Airlines
Icelandair
ITA Airways
Kenya Airways
Scandinavian Airlines
TAP Air Portugal
TAROM
Turkish Airlines
Vistara

Yeah, that’s from Virgin’s website. They list BA as an interlining partner.

The size of the DL lounge is huge for the market at 11K sqft, certainly makes me wonder. It is 50% larger than PHX with half the traffic, and half the size of SEA with a fifth of the traffic. When they took all the designated space, I thought maybe they were doing a shared arrangement with Amex or planned to sublease a third or quarter because they wanted more than the half (5500 sqft) envisioned by the architects (for two lounges). 11K sqft is larger than the LH/* lounge at DTW. I have to believe they are planning for widebody to AMS or CDG as DL lounges can only be used by DL/Skyteam passengers; I can’t imagine they would over-lease space just to block out other would-be lounges.

Personally I am hopeful The mystery 2nd lounge is one I could use as DL flights are rare for me.

MCIsundevil wrote:

The size of the DL lounge is huge for the market at 11K sqft, certainly makes me wonder. It is 50% larger than PHX with half the traffic, and half the size of SEA with a fifth of the traffic. When they took all the designated space, I thought maybe they were doing a shared arrangement with Amex or planned to sublease a third or quarter because they wanted more than the half (5500 sqft) envisioned by the architects (for two lounges). 11K sqft is larger than the LH/* lounge at DTW. I have to believe they are planning for widebody to AMS or CDG as DL lounges can only be used by DL/Skyteam passengers; I can’t imagine they would over-lease space just to block out other would-be lounges.

Personally I am hopeful The mystery 2nd lounge is one I could use as DL flights are rare for me.

I think Trexel mentioned Delta was given the option of all or nothing with the lounge. The space would be hard to break up so a tenant had to take the entire space.

blhp68 wrote:

Cactus739 wrote:

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Anyone else waiting to see if they get to help out next month with the trial runs?

Yes, I believe participants will be notified next week.

I signed up as well. Fingers crossed.

-Rowen

FlyingHonu001 wrote:

And now something completely different, but MCI related: Is that KL bird (B744, reg: PH-BFT) still there?
Latest spotting was around Sept/Oct 2022 https://twitter.com/KOMASpotter/status/ ... 2699830272

Yes

BA, LH, AF, KLM are all my choices before VS. maybe even EI before.

blhp68 wrote:

Cactus739 wrote:

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Anyone else waiting to see if they get to help out next month with the trial runs?

Yes, I believe participants will be notified next week.

Just got an email saying I was one of the lucky few. Testing date set for 2/14.

blhp68 wrote:

blhp68 wrote:

Cactus739 wrote:

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Anyone else waiting to see if they get to help out next month with the trial runs?

Yes, I believe participants will be notified next week.

Just got an email saying I was one of the lucky few. Testing date set for 2/14.

Well damn, I wasn't chosen. I guess they didn't want flight crews opinions

blhp68 wrote:

blhp68 wrote:

Cactus739 wrote:

So there’s going to be a Delta SkyClub plus an independent club at the new terminal?

Anyone else waiting to see if they get to help out next month with the trial runs?

Yes, I believe participants will be notified next week.

Just got an email saying I was one of the lucky few. Testing date set for 2/14.

Article from the KC Star today: https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... 66487.html

Public open house on 2/18. Need to sign up in advance: https://www.buildkci.com/open-house/

blhp68 wrote:

Public open house on 2/18. Need to sign up in advance: https://www.buildkci.com/open-house/

I’ll be there ! Free refillable water bottles for all !

strangeplanes wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

The size of the DL lounge is huge for the market at 11K sqft, certainly makes me wonder. It is 50% larger than PHX with half the traffic, and half the size of SEA with a fifth of the traffic. When they took all the designated space, I thought maybe they were doing a shared arrangement with Amex or planned to sublease a third or quarter because they wanted more than the half (5500 sqft) envisioned by the architects (for two lounges). 11K sqft is larger than the LH/* lounge at DTW. I have to believe they are planning for widebody to AMS or CDG as DL lounges can only be used by DL/Skyteam passengers; I can’t imagine they would over-lease space just to block out other would-be lounges.

Personally I am hopeful The mystery 2nd lounge is one I could use as DL flights are rare for me.

I think Trexel mentioned Delta was given the option of all or nothing with the lounge. The space would be hard to break up so a tenant had to take the entire space.

I think some people had forgotten DL had a Crown Room Club for years above its gates at B and it was eliminated in the crazy cutback period well before the merger. Delta is the 2nd largest carrier at MCI. Like I don't get why this was ever a surprise they would take up a club when given a chance again. Aside from the fact every carrier has vocally came out wanting to grow more if the airport situation was improved.

Lootess wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

The size of the DL lounge is huge for the market at 11K sqft, certainly makes me wonder. It is 50% larger than PHX with half the traffic, and half the size of SEA with a fifth of the traffic. When they took all the designated space, I thought maybe they were doing a shared arrangement with Amex or planned to sublease a third or quarter because they wanted more than the half (5500 sqft) envisioned by the architects (for two lounges). 11K sqft is larger than the LH/* lounge at DTW. I have to believe they are planning for widebody to AMS or CDG as DL lounges can only be used by DL/Skyteam passengers; I can’t imagine they would over-lease space just to block out other would-be lounges.

Personally I am hopeful The mystery 2nd lounge is one I could use as DL flights are rare for me.

I think Trexel mentioned Delta was given the option of all or nothing with the lounge. The space would be hard to break up so a tenant had to take the entire space.

I think some people had forgotten DL had a Crown Room Club for years above its gates at B and it was eliminated in the crazy cutback period well before the merger. Delta is the 2nd largest carrier at MCI. Like I don't get why this was ever a surprise they would take up a club when given a chance again. Aside from the fact every carrier has vocally came out wanting to grow more if the airport situation was improved.

I think the surprise is in the size. Well above the average outstation SkyClub. There is a logical explanation for that being it was all or nothing

Lootess wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

The size of the DL lounge is huge for the market at 11K sqft, certainly makes me wonder. It is 50% larger than PHX with half the traffic, and half the size of SEA with a fifth of the traffic. When they took all the designated space, I thought maybe they were doing a shared arrangement with Amex or planned to sublease a third or quarter because they wanted more than the half (5500 sqft) envisioned by the architects (for two lounges). 11K sqft is larger than the LH/* lounge at DTW. I have to believe they are planning for widebody to AMS or CDG as DL lounges can only be used by DL/Skyteam passengers; I can’t imagine they would over-lease space just to block out other would-be lounges.

Personally I am hopeful The mystery 2nd lounge is one I could use as DL flights are rare for me.

I think Trexel mentioned Delta was given the option of all or nothing with the lounge. The space would be hard to break up so a tenant had to take the entire space.

I think some people had forgotten DL had a Crown Room Club for years above its gates at B and it was eliminated in the crazy cutback period well before the merger. Delta is the 2nd largest carrier at MCI. Like I don't get why this was ever a surprise they would take up a club when given a chance again. Aside from the fact every carrier has vocally came out wanting to grow more if the airport situation was improved.

AA holds the #2 slot currently.

blhp68 wrote:

Lootess wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

I think Trexel mentioned Delta was given the option of all or nothing with the lounge. The space would be hard to break up so a tenant had to take the entire space.

I think some people had forgotten DL had a Crown Room Club for years above its gates at B and it was eliminated in the crazy cutback period well before the merger. Delta is the 2nd largest carrier at MCI. Like I don't get why this was ever a surprise they would take up a club when given a chance again. Aside from the fact every carrier has vocally came out wanting to grow more if the airport situation was improved.

AA holds the #2 slot currently.

https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?20=E&Nv42146=ZPV&Nv42146_anzr=Xn05n5%20Pv6B,%20Zb:%20Xn05n5%20Pv6B%20V06r40n6v10ny&pn44vr4=SNPgf

Not according to latest DOT BTS statistics

Southwest 44.74%
Delta 13.97%
American 12.89%
United 5.71%

Lootess wrote:

https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?20=E&Nv42146=ZPV&Nv42146_anzr=Xn05n5%20Pv6B,%20Zb:%20Xn05n5%20Pv6B%20V06r40n6v10ny&pn44vr4=SNPgf

Not according to latest DOT BTS statistics

Southwest 44.74%
Delta 13.97%
American 12.89%
United 5.71%

The DOT BTS statistics for American under https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp only include AA mainline nonstop flights and not regional jet nonstop flights operated under the American Eagle brand (including American Eagle flights operated by AAG subsidiaries MQ/PT/OH).

The DOT BTS statistics for Delta under https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp only include DL mainline nonstop flights and not regional jet nonstop flights operated under the Delta Connection brand (including Delta Connection flights operated by Delta Air Lines Inc. subsidiary 9E).

The DOT BTS statistics for United under https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp only include UA mainline nonstop flights and not regional jet nonstop flights operated under the United Express brand.

OO operates flights on behalf of AA/DL/UA/AS under the American Eagle, Delta Connection, United Express, and Alaska brands.

YX operates flights on behalf of AA/DL/UA under the American Eagle, Delta Connection, and United Express brand.

YV will be only operating under the United Express brand once YV ends its partnership with AA.

ZW is going to be transitioning from an United Express carrier to an American Eagle carrier.

C5/G7 currently only operate flights under the United Express brand.

It is difficult to get accurate statistics on AA/DL/UA market share on some of the routes that are operated by OO or YX as there are some OO/YX nonstop routes that are operated under two or more of the regional brands.

Through November 2022, the following market share is reported by the airport YTD.

Southwest: 45.0%
American: 18.4%
Delta: 17.5%
United: 10.0%
Spirit: 3.9%
Alaska: 2.0%

Source: https://www.flykci.com/newsroom/statist ... tatistics/

evank516 wrote:

DL is upgauging JFK-MCI to mainline from March 9-April 9. A220-100. Hope this continues beyond April 9.

This upgauge has been reversed. Back to the CR9 unfortunately.

ytib wrote:

Through November 2022, the following market share is reported by the airport YTD.

Southwest: 45.0%
American: 18.4%
Delta: 17.5%
United: 10.0%
Spirit: 3.9%
Alaska: 2.0%

Source: https://www.flykci.com/newsroom/statist ... tatistics/

This is what I was referring to from earlier post. I know the data is tricky via DOT so I tend to use the airport’s data.

Southwest adding daily MCI-LGB. March 9th

Figured this would be on the short list

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/so ... long-beach

Nothing official, but a colleague traveling out on Delta today said gate agent told him their information was their last day in old term would be 2/27 and first day in new term 2/28.