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emcm541 wrote:...United has reloaded ORD-PVG (789) and ORD-PEK (788) starting March 25 - being discussed in the UA Network Thread, starting at post 2581: viewtopic.php?p=23599149#p23599149
yeogeo wrote:emcm541 wrote:...United has reloaded ORD-PVG (789) and ORD-PEK (788) starting March 25 - being discussed in the UA Network Thread, starting at post 2581: viewtopic.php?p=23599149#p23599149
Thought I'd bring this forward from a few days before the new year, since it's pretty big news. We'll see if it sticks, but if it does, its one of the last pieces of the puzzle to be put into place at O'Hare after covid: the return of Mainland China pax flights by U.S. carriers. Wonder if HKG can't be far behind?
schernov wrote:Rode the terminal train today. Wow. It's slow. Compared to Dallas air train - that one is like a sports car.
New signs in T1-2-3 stations.
T5 arrival hall is just too small.
Apparently there is now Only one exit from customs to the open - the one by MCD. The other side is dry walled and painted. Like it never existed.
New domestic bag claims look good. One has Delta branding. New drop ceilings. Bathrooms redone.
Does anybody have a layout of what arrival hall will look like when done?
schernov wrote:Rode the terminal train today. Wow. It's slow. Compared to Dallas air train - that one is like a sports car.
New signs in T1-2-3 stations.
T5 arrival hall is just too small.
Apparently there is now Only one exit from customs to the open - the one by MCD. The other side is dry walled and painted. Like it never existed.
New domestic bag claims look good. One has Delta branding. New drop ceilings. Bathrooms redone.
Does anybody have a layout of what arrival hall will look like when done?
gabik001 wrote:schernov wrote:Rode the terminal train today. Wow. It's slow. Compared to Dallas air train - that one is like a sports car.
New signs in T1-2-3 stations.
T5 arrival hall is just too small.
Apparently there is now Only one exit from customs to the open - the one by MCD. The other side is dry walled and painted. Like it never existed.
New domestic bag claims look good. One has Delta branding. New drop ceilings. Bathrooms redone.
Does anybody have a layout of what arrival hall will look like when done?
I rode it yesterday at 1am. Looks like only one set is riding around (because of early morning hours?). Had to wait about 20 min for train to arrive (I needed to move from T3 to T2 to get rideshare). Besides that looks modern compared to that what was riding before.
BTW Spirit baggage claim (they use two on T3) had no updates on the screen (our flight # never displayed) and many passengers were confused where to look for their luggage. Screen was showing flights that arrived at 7pm when we arrived at 12:30am...
jcwr56 wrote:schernov wrote:Rode the terminal train today. Wow. It's slow. Compared to Dallas air train - that one is like a sports car.
New signs in T1-2-3 stations.
T5 arrival hall is just too small.
Apparently there is now Only one exit from customs to the open - the one by MCD. The other side is dry walled and painted. Like it never existed.
New domestic bag claims look good. One has Delta branding. New drop ceilings. Bathrooms redone.
Does anybody have a layout of what arrival hall will look like when done?
The arrivals hall is to small due to all the construction that is taking place. Between AA and UA's recheck areas being redone, using CD9 for domestic while CD12 is being constructed. The closure of CD 4/5 to upgrade the ceiling, lights and HVAC. Once those open then CD 6/7 will close for construction. The area you mentioned being walled off will be open up in another month. There's so much work planned out it will change almost monthly and it was decided to push hard during the winter season to lessen the overall impacts come June, July and August.
Yes, it has its challenges, but no more than one living in one's own house when renovating.
schernov wrote:gabik001 wrote:schernov wrote:Rode the terminal train today. Wow. It's slow. Compared to Dallas air train - that one is like a sports car.
New signs in T1-2-3 stations.
T5 arrival hall is just too small.
Apparently there is now Only one exit from customs to the open - the one by MCD. The other side is dry walled and painted. Like it never existed.
New domestic bag claims look good. One has Delta branding. New drop ceilings. Bathrooms redone.
Does anybody have a layout of what arrival hall will look like when done?
I rode it yesterday at 1am. Looks like only one set is riding around (because of early morning hours?). Had to wait about 20 min for train to arrive (I needed to move from T3 to T2 to get rideshare). Besides that looks modern compared to that what was riding before.
BTW Spirit baggage claim (they use two on T3) had no updates on the screen (our flight # never displayed) and many passengers were confused where to look for their luggage. Screen was showing flights that arrived at 7pm when we arrived at 12:30am...
I was there around 6pm and train frequency was every 2-3 minutes, definitely multiple train sets. I think they got painted or had tape covered with new colors -otherwise same trainsets as before.... but at least its running.
piedmontf284000 wrote:Flew in and out of T-5 this week. The new expansion unfortunately looks like a total missed opportunity. Love the natural light and wider concourses but outside of that, what happened? This is what the new expansion was supposed to look like...
Yeah, not even close to that rendition. The only thing that comes close to resembling that are the lights and the windows. There are no new restaurants, and does not look like there will be any coming either. Talked to a construction worker who was going in and out of closed door. Asked him if there is prep work being done for new restaurants and he laughed and said, "no, we are just trying to fix mistakes at this point", whatever that means, which I am assuming means problems related to construction. There are shops "coming soon" but I took a peek behind the closed off walls and NOTHING was going on construction wise. There were pallets of soda, water, etc and that is all. The seating in the gate areas are decent but definitely will not be enough when there are multiple widebody international flights leaving around the same time. There is a large open area which has just rows of seats and it sits under a large oasis that has multiple air conditioning ducts coming out of it. It looks ridiculous sitting in the middle of the concourse. There are two sets of rest rooms that are basically right next to each other. Why didn't they just make one set all men's and the other all women's with much larger square footage in each?
I can't understand how CDA missed so badly on this one. They have an enormous amount of unused land between the ATS tracks and the outer northwest walls in between M28-M37. That could have been used for so much. A food court, a shopping mall, airline lounges, etc. Instead they put in shipping docks on the outside of the wall, which I get is essential for deliveries and cargo, but there had to be a better place to put it, but I digress. I certainly hope that this is not what the OGT is going to resemble. Hopefully this will be a lesson learned.
jcwr56 wrote:piedmontf284000 wrote:Flew in and out of T-5 this week. The new expansion unfortunately looks like a total missed opportunity. Love the natural light and wider concourses but outside of that, what happened? This is what the new expansion was supposed to look like...
Yeah, not even close to that rendition. The only thing that comes close to resembling that are the lights and the windows. There are no new restaurants, and does not look like there will be any coming either. Talked to a construction worker who was going in and out of closed door. Asked him if there is prep work being done for new restaurants and he laughed and said, "no, we are just trying to fix mistakes at this point", whatever that means, which I am assuming means problems related to construction. There are shops "coming soon" but I took a peek behind the closed off walls and NOTHING was going on construction wise. There were pallets of soda, water, etc and that is all. The seating in the gate areas are decent but definitely will not be enough when there are multiple widebody international flights leaving around the same time. There is a large open area which has just rows of seats and it sits under a large oasis that has multiple air conditioning ducts coming out of it. It looks ridiculous sitting in the middle of the concourse. There are two sets of rest rooms that are basically right next to each other. Why didn't they just make one set all men's and the other all women's with much larger square footage in each?
I can't understand how CDA missed so badly on this one. They have an enormous amount of unused land between the ATS tracks and the outer northwest walls in between M28-M37. That could have been used for so much. A food court, a shopping mall, airline lounges, etc. Instead they put in shipping docks on the outside of the wall, which I get is essential for deliveries and cargo, but there had to be a better place to put it, but I digress. I certainly hope that this is not what the OGT is going to resemble. Hopefully this will be a lesson learned.
It looks like a miss because it's not completed and yes, there's been some misses. The construction workers are clueless about concessions, but there's 3 concessions that have approval to proceed on buildout. The final finishes projects are still ongoing or let me put it this way, there's at least two more years worth of work for Terminal 5 between the east end, the core area and the garage. As far as the dock area, you're looking at it from just one perspective, T5 is one peice of a much larger puzzle, once you understand the puzzle, why they what they did comes into focus.
winter wrote:jcwr56 wrote:piedmontf284000 wrote:Flew in and out of T-5 this week. The new expansion unfortunately looks like a total missed opportunity. Love the natural light and wider concourses but outside of that, what happened? This is what the new expansion was supposed to look like...
Yeah, not even close to that rendition. The only thing that comes close to resembling that are the lights and the windows. There are no new restaurants, and does not look like there will be any coming either. Talked to a construction worker who was going in and out of closed door. Asked him if there is prep work being done for new restaurants and he laughed and said, "no, we are just trying to fix mistakes at this point", whatever that means, which I am assuming means problems related to construction. There are shops "coming soon" but I took a peek behind the closed off walls and NOTHING was going on construction wise. There were pallets of soda, water, etc and that is all. The seating in the gate areas are decent but definitely will not be enough when there are multiple widebody international flights leaving around the same time. There is a large open area which has just rows of seats and it sits under a large oasis that has multiple air conditioning ducts coming out of it. It looks ridiculous sitting in the middle of the concourse. There are two sets of rest rooms that are basically right next to each other. Why didn't they just make one set all men's and the other all women's with much larger square footage in each?
I can't understand how CDA missed so badly on this one. They have an enormous amount of unused land between the ATS tracks and the outer northwest walls in between M28-M37. That could have been used for so much. A food court, a shopping mall, airline lounges, etc. Instead they put in shipping docks on the outside of the wall, which I get is essential for deliveries and cargo, but there had to be a better place to put it, but I digress. I certainly hope that this is not what the OGT is going to resemble. Hopefully this will be a lesson learned.
It looks like a miss because it's not completed and yes, there's been some misses. The construction workers are clueless about concessions, but there's 3 concessions that have approval to proceed on buildout. The final finishes projects are still ongoing or let me put it this way, there's at least two more years worth of work for Terminal 5 between the east end, the core area and the garage. As far as the dock area, you're looking at it from just one perspective, T5 is one peice of a much larger puzzle, once you understand the puzzle, why they what they did comes into focus.
Why was the choice made to only add a few gates to the end of T5, and not a complete terminal buildout like the original O’Hare Gateway proposal had with “T6” being built that mirrored T5, alleviating the crowding and problem w/ T5 headhouse?
jcwr56 wrote:yeogeo wrote:emcm541 wrote:...United has reloaded ORD-PVG (789) and ORD-PEK (788) starting March 25 - being discussed in the UA Network Thread, starting at post 2581: viewtopic.php?p=23599149#p23599149
Thought I'd bring this forward from a few days before the new year, since it's pretty big news. We'll see if it sticks, but if it does, its one of the last pieces of the puzzle to be put into place at O'Hare after covid: the return of Mainland China pax flights by U.S. carriers. Wonder if HKG can't be far behind?
MU is discussing resuming passenger service as well. Since the beginning of covid they've been usually operating 2x daily pax/cargo flights. CX would be the last holdout to resume pax service then. I don't expect HU to return...
schernov wrote:Question on the gates at t5.
Does the new extension include the bottom floor corridor to immigration?
Or do those outside snake looking gates on thr outside which extend to the new end (but not around the corner) is the method of getting international arrivals to the old edge of the Concorse where the lower floor tunnel begins?
Cubsrule wrote:schernov wrote:Question on the gates at t5.
Does the new extension include the bottom floor corridor to immigration?
Or do those outside snake looking gates on thr outside which extend to the new end (but not around the corner) is the method of getting international arrivals to the old edge of the Concorse where the lower floor tunnel begins?
I believe all new gates go down (immediately, at the gate) to access immigration.
piedmontf284000 wrote:There are two sets of rest rooms that are basically right next to each other. Why didn't they just make one set all men's and the other all women's with much larger square footage in each?
Eolesen wrote:It would make no sense to reconfigure the low numbered FIS corridor just because those gates are now being used predominantly for domestic arrivals and departures.
Neither the airlines or City want to lose the ability to have an international arrival on those same gates.
Eolesen wrote:Huh. It's been ages since I arrived on the low side, but maybe DL needed office and breakroom space. That would also guarantee DL won't be over-expanding internationally...
Still a dumb move to reduce capability.
winter wrote:jcwr56 wrote:piedmontf284000 wrote:Flew in and out of T-5 this week. The new expansion unfortunately looks like a total missed opportunity. Love the natural light and wider concourses but outside of that, what happened? This is what the new expansion was supposed to look like...
Yeah, not even close to that rendition. The only thing that comes close to resembling that are the lights and the windows. There are no new restaurants, and does not look like there will be any coming either. Talked to a construction worker who was going in and out of closed door. Asked him if there is prep work being done for new restaurants and he laughed and said, "no, we are just trying to fix mistakes at this point", whatever that means, which I am assuming means problems related to construction. There are shops "coming soon" but I took a peek behind the closed off walls and NOTHING was going on construction wise. There were pallets of soda, water, etc and that is all. The seating in the gate areas are decent but definitely will not be enough when there are multiple widebody international flights leaving around the same time. There is a large open area which has just rows of seats and it sits under a large oasis that has multiple air conditioning ducts coming out of it. It looks ridiculous sitting in the middle of the concourse. There are two sets of rest rooms that are basically right next to each other. Why didn't they just make one set all men's and the other all women's with much larger square footage in each?
I can't understand how CDA missed so badly on this one. They have an enormous amount of unused land between the ATS tracks and the outer northwest walls in between M28-M37. That could have been used for so much. A food court, a shopping mall, airline lounges, etc. Instead they put in shipping docks on the outside of the wall, which I get is essential for deliveries and cargo, but there had to be a better place to put it, but I digress. I certainly hope that this is not what the OGT is going to resemble. Hopefully this will be a lesson learned.
It looks like a miss because it's not completed and yes, there's been some misses. The construction workers are clueless about concessions, but there's 3 concessions that have approval to proceed on buildout. The final finishes projects are still ongoing or let me put it this way, there's at least two more years worth of work for Terminal 5 between the east end, the core area and the garage. As far as the dock area, you're looking at it from just one perspective, T5 is one peice of a much larger puzzle, once you understand the puzzle, why they what they did comes into focus.
Why was the choice made to only add a few gates to the end of T5, and not a complete terminal buildout like the original O’Hare Gateway proposal had with “T6” being built that mirrored T5, alleviating the crowding and problem w/ T5 headhouse?
Planeboy17 wrote:If they're still city owned and managed gates where DL simply has preferential use, the utility to be able to feed the FIS if DL isn't fully utilizing said gates would be smart to keep...Eolesen wrote:Huh. It's been ages since I arrived on the low side, but maybe DL needed office and breakroom space. That would also guarantee DL won't be over-expanding internationally...
Still a dumb move to reduce capability.
Do you believe that DL will reduce their schedule so much that there would be gate availability for other airlines or that DL is going to begin flying INTL flights out of ORD anytime soon? This seems pretty simple, it’s unnecessary to still have INTL capability for all of these gates.
Eolesen wrote:Huh. It's been ages since I arrived on the low side, but maybe DL needed office and breakroom space. That would also guarantee DL won't be over-expanding internationally...
Still a dumb move to reduce capability.
kordcj wrote:winter wrote:jcwr56 wrote:
It looks like a miss because it's not completed and yes, there's been some misses. The construction workers are clueless about concessions, but there's 3 concessions that have approval to proceed on buildout. The final finishes projects are still ongoing or let me put it this way, there's at least two more years worth of work for Terminal 5 between the east end, the core area and the garage. As far as the dock area, you're looking at it from just one perspective, T5 is one peice of a much larger puzzle, once you understand the puzzle, why they what they did comes into focus.
Why was the choice made to only add a few gates to the end of T5, and not a complete terminal buildout like the original O’Hare Gateway proposal had with “T6” being built that mirrored T5, alleviating the crowding and problem w/ T5 headhouse?
I’d imagine the city doesn’t have and the airlines didn’t have the stomach to fund O’Hare Gateway as originally envisioned. To extend a upper/lower level road, plus ATS, and all the other ancillary items to go along with T6 would have been far more pricey than whatever was spent to expand T5.
kordcj wrote:winter wrote:jcwr56 wrote:
It looks like a miss because it's not completed and yes, there's been some misses. The construction workers are clueless about concessions, but there's 3 concessions that have approval to proceed on buildout. The final finishes projects are still ongoing or let me put it this way, there's at least two more years worth of work for Terminal 5 between the east end, the core area and the garage. As far as the dock area, you're looking at it from just one perspective, T5 is one peice of a much larger puzzle, once you understand the puzzle, why they what they did comes into focus.
Why was the choice made to only add a few gates to the end of T5, and not a complete terminal buildout like the original O’Hare Gateway proposal had with “T6” being built that mirrored T5, alleviating the crowding and problem w/ T5 headhouse?
I’d imagine the city doesn’t have and the airlines didn’t have the stomach to fund O’Hare Gateway as originally envisioned. To extend a upper/lower level road, plus ATS, and all the other ancillary items to go along with T6 would have been far more pricey than whatever was spent to expand T5.
schernov wrote:Landed at L24 stinger this morning
Is there some new business / shop construction in front of L23/22 or are they already bustersizing the wall. There is some unpainted drywall bump out - about 3-4 feet out floor to ceiling.
Planeboy17 wrote:Along with the China pull-down from UA, they’re also cutting ORD-DEL from 1/30-10/28 due to Ukraine/Russia airspace restrictions. This is from the UA Network Thread also.
drdisque wrote:Planeboy17 wrote:Along with the China pull-down from UA, they’re also cutting ORD-DEL from 1/30-10/28 due to Ukraine/Russia airspace restrictions. This is from the UA Network Thread also.
I wonder how much of this is really the airspace restrictions and how much is the fact that the 787s can be used more lucratively to Europe and Japan and ORD-DEL was a huge suck of 787 time. Also, I'm guessing the yields aren't great even though it's usually pretty full.