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greenair727 wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:
Getting word of further expansion in addition to this schedule primarily for the last half of May. Unannounced “new” destinations.
Why for the last half of May only vs. all summer?
avtcle wrote:I don’t think Aer Lingus and Alaska would use the same ticket counter - the flights depart within 2 hours of each other. There’s an open counter by the central checkpoint I believe. I am hoping they have the flight leave from Concourse C and give the business class passengers access to the United Club.
CLE SEA 6:20 PM
CLE DUB 8:20 PM
masseybrown wrote:Isn't EI trying to get out of the Star Alliance? Why would UA do anything for them?
greenair727 wrote:avtcle wrote:I don’t think Aer Lingus and Alaska would use the same ticket counter - the flights depart within 2 hours of each other. There’s an open counter by the central checkpoint I believe. I am hoping they have the flight leave from Concourse C and give the business class passengers access to the United Club.
CLE SEA 6:20 PM
CLE DUB 8:20 PM
One of the benefits of flying UA CLE-DUB though a connection is needed is the ability to use the United Club. So UA would be giving up a competitive advantage if allowing EI pax in it. Is this a practice that UA does for certain flights at certain airports?
fun2fly wrote:It looked like WOW BAO was going to open soon as it seemed like there was training going on in the area today.
Pet peeve: Soda vending machines in baggage claim area do not accept credit cards. Who has $3.25 in cash? My grandma I'd guess.
avtcle wrote:DOT has posted full year 2022 stats
avtcle wrote:Those are mainline stats.
And for ATL: Delta has 7-8x daily A321/320 service which connects into their massive domestic and global network. Besides a 319 every morning to DTW, ATL was DL’s only mainline service from CLE in 2022. Southwest flies to ATL daily. Spirit flies there 1-2x daily. It’s been our top destination for quite some time.
LibertyBlvd wrote:So I assume those top destinations are not necessarily final destinations, but also connecting points. I'm surprised DL has no mainlines to their other hubs I hope they will restart nonstop service to SLC.
avtcle wrote:https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2023/03/cleveland-hopkins-airport-parking-lots-are-full-again-plan-for-spring-break-travel.html?outputType=amp
Parking woes continue. More info on Sheraton as well. Not to be torn down until late this year, and any parking there won’t be available until 2024 or 2025. I don’t even think to use airport parking anymore - will either get dropped off or go to the park and fly.
fun2fly wrote:It looked like WOW BAO was going to open soon as it seemed like there was training going on in the area today.
avtcle wrote:Parking woes continue. More info on Sheraton as well. Not to be torn down until late this year, and any parking there won’t be available until 2024 or 2025.
LibertyBlvd wrote:avtcle wrote:Parking woes continue. More info on Sheraton as well. Not to be torn down until late this year, and any parking there won’t be available until 2024 or 2025.
I thought the hotel was supposed to come down 4th qtr 22 or 1st qtr 23. Why is it taking so long?
SgtBarone wrote:Just saw an Aer Lingus advertisement on the digital signs at Eton Chagrin Boulevard in Woodmere. Safe to say they are also at Crocker Park since these are both Stark properties.
avtcle wrote:Frontier is up vs 2021. Spirit is down.
Here’s June:
Frontier
CLE-MCO: 2.0 (A321)
CLE-TPA: 2.0 (A320N)
CLE-PHX: 1.0 (A320N)
CLE-RSW 1.0 (A320N)
CLE-LAS: 1.0 (A320N)
CLE-DEN: 1.0 (A321N)
CLE-CUN: 1.0 (A321)
CLE-FLL: 0.6 (A320N)
CLE-SJU: 0.6 (A320N)
CLE-RDU: 0.6 (A320N)
CLE-ATL: 0.4 (A320N)
CLE-PUJ: 0.4 (A321N)
11.6 daily. On par with their peak summer sked.
greenair727 wrote:SgtBarone wrote:Just saw an Aer Lingus advertisement on the digital signs at Eton Chagrin Boulevard in Woodmere. Safe to say they are also at Crocker Park since these are both Stark properties.
I've toyed with the idea of a quick flight to DUB, not because DUB is at the top of my list of cities to visit, but I'd like to see it nonetheless and happy to check out and support the EI flight. However, for every set of dates I've checked--its not cheap--around $1221. For one or two hundred more, one could get from CLE to anywhere in western or central Europe, albeit with a connection. I knew the price had to be higher than the Wow flights, but was hoping it would be more affordable than it is. In fact, for the same dates, CLE-DUB on AA and DL are both showing $939!
CLEguy wrote:greenair727 wrote:SgtBarone wrote:Just saw an Aer Lingus advertisement on the digital signs at Eton Chagrin Boulevard in Woodmere. Safe to say they are also at Crocker Park since these are both Stark properties.
I've toyed with the idea of a quick flight to DUB, not because DUB is at the top of my list of cities to visit, but I'd like to see it nonetheless and happy to check out and support the EI flight. However, for every set of dates I've checked--its not cheap--around $1221. For one or two hundred more, one could get from CLE to anywhere in western or central Europe, albeit with a connection. I knew the price had to be higher than the Wow flights, but was hoping it would be more affordable than it is. In fact, for the same dates, CLE-DUB on AA and DL are both showing $939!
Almost all airfares are through the roof now, especially compared to the past few pandemic years. I just booked CLE-DUB-EDI-GLA-DUB-CLE for $975 ("Smart Fare-" not the cheapest economy price), albeit in November. But the convenience of pre-clearance in DUB is worth it for me, plus I like the idea of supporting the new service. For comparison, I just booked CLE-DFW for $487 on AA in June. I was shocked at the fare, but need to be there for a conference. The days of ultracheap airfares are gone.
masseybrown wrote:avtcle wrote:Frontier is up vs 2021. Spirit is down.
Here’s June:
Frontier
CLE-MCO: 2.0 (A321)
CLE-TPA: 2.0 (A320N)
CLE-PHX: 1.0 (A320N)
CLE-RSW 1.0 (A320N)
CLE-LAS: 1.0 (A320N)
CLE-DEN: 1.0 (A321N)
CLE-CUN: 1.0 (A321)
CLE-FLL: 0.6 (A320N)
CLE-SJU: 0.6 (A320N)
CLE-RDU: 0.6 (A320N)
CLE-ATL: 0.4 (A320N)
CLE-PUJ: 0.4 (A321N)
11.6 daily. On par with their peak summer sked.
So here's something interesting. Frontier's May schedule (no destinations, just frequencies) shows 456 flights at CLE or 14.7 flights per day. I think F9 will announce few more cities before too long.
avtcle wrote:Last year, Frontier added CLE DFW 4x weekly to the schedule, and then Spirit immediately retaliated and re-added CLE DFW 1x daily for the summer. Frontier never started the route.
I wish they’d bring PDX back.
masseybrown wrote:So here's something interesting. Frontier's May schedule (no destinations, just frequencies) shows 456 flights at CLE or 14.7 flights per day. I think F9 will announce few more cities before too long.
greenair727 wrote:Frontier's June schedule for CLE is 11.6 daily.masseybrown wrote:So here's something interesting. Frontier's May schedule (no destinations, just frequencies) shows 456 flights at CLE or 14.7 flights per day. I think F9 will announce few more cities before too long.
If F9 is adding 21 flights/week to CLE I'd love to see:
1x/day LGA
1x/day SAN
.5x/day Belize City
.5/day San Jose, Costa Rica
We had F9 LGA service before---and they pulled it before it began or it lasted only a few weeks, I don't remember. Was about 15 years ago.
greenair727 wrote:Frontier's June schedule for CLE is 11.6 daily.masseybrown wrote:So here's something interesting. Frontier's May schedule (no destinations, just frequencies) shows 456 flights at CLE or 14.7 flights per day. I think F9 will announce few more cities before too long.
If F9 is adding 21 flights/week to CLE I'd love to see:
1x/day LGA
1x/day SAN
.5x/day Belize City
.5/day San Jose, Costa Rica
We had F9 LGA service before---and they pulled it before it began or it lasted only a few weeks, I don't remember. Was about 15 years ago.
izbtmnhd wrote:Also, the hotel isn’t coming down until the city can find a new home for the communications array on it’s roof.
Not to mention the lost revenue.fun2fly wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:Also, the hotel isn’t coming down until the city can find a new home for the communications array on it’s roof.
May 2022 - hotel purchased is announced. How many months prior to that do you think the City was talking about it? 6? So, let's say were 16 months into this project and they still don't know where to move the communication tower?
fun2fly wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:Also, the hotel isn’t coming down until the city can find a new home for the communications array on it’s roof.
May 2022 - hotel purchased is announced. How many months prior to that do you think the City was talking about it? 6? So, let's say were 16 months into this project and they still don't know where to move the communication tower?
LibertyBlvd wrote:fun2fly wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:Also, the hotel isn’t coming down until the city can find a new home for the communications array on it’s roof.
May 2022 - hotel purchased is announced. How many months prior to that do you think the City was talking about it? 6? So, let's say were 16 months into this project and they still don't know where to move the communication tower?
It is quite maddening that things happen so slowly here. Other peer cities are either building new airports or undergoing massive upgrades but we won't see any dirt flying at CLE until 2025 at the earliest.
LibertyBlvd wrote:fun2fly wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:Also, the hotel isn’t coming down until the city can find a new home for the communications array on it’s roof.
May 2022 - hotel purchased is announced. How many months prior to that do you think the City was talking about it? 6? So, let's say were 16 months into this project and they still don't know where to move the communication tower?
It is quite maddening that things happen so slowly here. Other peer cities are either building new airports or undergoing massive upgrades but we won't see any dirt flying at CLE until 2025 at the earliest.
strangeplanes wrote:LibertyBlvd wrote:fun2fly wrote:
May 2022 - hotel purchased is announced. How many months prior to that do you think the City was talking about it? 6? So, let's say were 16 months into this project and they still don't know where to move the communication tower?
It is quite maddening that things happen so slowly here. Other peer cities are either building new airports or undergoing massive upgrades but we won't see any dirt flying at CLE until 2025 at the earliest.
Other cities feel fast because you only read the headlines when major steps forward are made.
KCI’s 2008 master plan identified a new terminal was needed. 2011 the head of aviation came out backing a new terminal. 2015-2016 discussions heated up before finally going out to bid and then a vote in 2017.
STL has been talking new terminal for over a decade too and won’t see one open for another decade in the best case.
IND, Pitt, NoLa took a long iirc too.
flyPIT wrote:strangeplanes wrote:LibertyBlvd wrote:
It is quite maddening that things happen so slowly here. Other peer cities are either building new airports or undergoing massive upgrades but we won't see any dirt flying at CLE until 2025 at the earliest.
Other cities feel fast because you only read the headlines when major steps forward are made.
KCI’s 2008 master plan identified a new terminal was needed. 2011 the head of aviation came out backing a new terminal. 2015-2016 discussions heated up before finally going out to bid and then a vote in 2017.
STL has been talking new terminal for over a decade too and won’t see one open for another decade in the best case.
IND, Pitt, NoLa took a long iirc too.
You made LibertyBlvd’s point for him. It’s gonna be a loooong time before CLE has anything resembling a new or rebuilt terminal.
izbtmnhd wrote:flyPIT wrote:strangeplanes wrote:
Other cities feel fast because you only read the headlines when major steps forward are made.
KCI’s 2008 master plan identified a new terminal was needed. 2011 the head of aviation came out backing a new terminal. 2015-2016 discussions heated up before finally going out to bid and then a vote in 2017.
STL has been talking new terminal for over a decade too and won’t see one open for another decade in the best case.
IND, Pitt, NoLa took a long iirc too.
You made LibertyBlvd’s point for him. It’s gonna be a loooong time before CLE has anything resembling a new or rebuilt terminal.
City is negotiating on master leases with airlines this year. Goal is to have a project manager in place for 2024 and to start the rebuild of A gates at or before Hopkins’ 100 year anniversary on July 1, 2025.
strangeplanes wrote:
Other cities feel fast because you only read the headlines when major steps forward are made.
KCI’s 2008 master plan identified a new terminal was needed. 2011 the head of aviation came out backing a new terminal. 2015-2016 discussions heated up before finally going out to bid and then a vote in 2017.
STL has been talking new terminal for over a decade too and won’t see one open for another decade in the best case.
IND, Pitt, NoLa took a long iirc too.
greenair727 wrote:Frontier's June schedule for CLE is 11.6 daily.masseybrown wrote:So here's something interesting. Frontier's May schedule (no destinations, just frequencies) shows 456 flights at CLE or 14.7 flights per day. I think F9 will announce few more cities before too long.
If F9 is adding 21 flights/week to CLE I'd love to see:
1x/day LGA
1x/day SAN
.5x/day Belize City
.5/day San Jose, Costa Rica
We had F9 LGA service before---and they pulled it before it began or it lasted only a few weeks, I don't remember. Was about 15 years ago.
