Welcome to the Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation thread - 2023 edition.

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WN will be able to add service to DFW without having to give up gates at DAL starting in 2025, which is less than 2 years away.

There is an article titled "Exclusive: Southwest Airlines May Consider Expanding In North Texas, Operating At 2nd Airport Later This Decade" from last year which can be found at https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/exclus ... rt-decade/ which stated that WN is considering adding service to a second airport in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.

Former WN CEO Gary Kelly said the following regarding Southwest service out of Dallas/Fort Worth:
Regarding potential expansion locally, Kelly said, "The thought that we would be sitting in the DFW area for 25 years and not grow makes no sense. So yes, I think we'll have opportunities later on this decade to think about how we might want to expand."

Current WN CEO Bob Jordan asked the following question: "You've got demand and how do you sit still and not meet that demand?"

Here is the breakdown of WN service out of DAL on weekdays in July 2023 starting on 7/11/2023 (201 daily departures):
5x ABQ, 4x AMA, 5x ATL, 9x AUS, 5x BWI, 2x BHM, 1x BUR, 1x CHS, 1x CLT, 7x MDW, 4x ORD, 3x COS, 1x CMH, 10x DEN, 1x VPS, 5x ELP, 2x FLL, 5x IAH, 12x HOU, 2x IND, 6x MCI, 8x LAS, 3x LIT, 1x LGB, 5x LAX, 5x LBB, 1x MEM, 1x MIA, 5x MAF, 1x MKE, 6x BNA, 6x MSY, 4x LGA, 2x OAK, 1x OMA, 1x ONT, 1x SNA, 8x MCO, 2x ECP, 1x PNS, 8x PHX, 1x PIT, 1x RDU, 1x SMF, 2x SLC, 9x SAT, 4x SAN, 2x SJC, 1x SAV, 6x STL, 4x TPA, 4x TUL, 5x DCA

WN additionally also has Saturday-only DAL-BZN/SRQ/SEA nonstop service, Sunday-only DAL-PHL nonstop service, and weekend-only DAL-RSW/HRL/JAX/SDF/MSP/MYR/ORF/PDX/RNO nonstop service in July 2023.

WN also was operating daily DAL-BOS/DTW/OKC/SFO nonstop service in Summer 2019, but WN discontinued DAL-BOS/OKC/SFO nonstop service in January 2020 and WN DAL-DTW nonstop service completely dropped off on 12/31/2022. WN was also originally planning on resuming DAL-BOS nonstop service in Spring 2020, but WN completely dropped those plans due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Here are the Q2 2022 PDEW's of the top contiguous U.S. markets traveled to from DFW/DAL that don't currently have daily WN nonstop service out of DAL:
DFW/DAL-BOS - 964
DFW/DAL-SEA - 900
DFW/DAL-PHL - 702
DFW/DAL-MSP - 681
DFW/DAL-DTW - 671
DFW/DAL-PDX - 412
DFW/DAL-CLE - 299
DFW/DAL-JAX - 275
DFW/DAL-CVG - 270
DFW/DAL-RSW - 219
DFW/DAL-ORF/PHF - 174
DFW/DAL-RIC - 172
DFW/DAL-SDF - 162
DFW/DAL-BDL - 148
DFW/DAL-RNO - 140

Here are the Q2 2022 PDEW's out of DFW/DAL on airlines other than AA to the top contiguous U.S. destinations traveled to from DFW/DAL on airlines other than AA that don't currently have daily WN nonstop service on WN:
DFW/DAL-SEA - 536 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-MSP - 416 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-DTW - 403 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-BOS - 331 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-PDX - 175 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-CLE - 93 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-CVG - 68 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-GEG - 64 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-BOI - 52 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-JAX - 49 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-ORF - 49 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-CRP - 45 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-GRR - 42 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-RNO - 40 (on airlines other than AA)
DFW/DAL-RIC - 39 (on airlines other than AA)

I am actually surprised that more of the demand to DFW/DAL from GEG was on airlines other than AA in Q2 2022, especially with the FF base that AA's partner AS has in the GEG market along with AA being the only airline that currently has nonstop service to GEG from DFW. AA was also carrying an average of only 28 passengers/day in each direction between DFW and GEG in Q2 2022.

There was an average of 19 passengers/day in each direction connecting to DAL from GEG in Q2 2022. Most of the passengers traveling between DFW and GEG in Q2 2022 were connecting on airlines other than AA or WN with an average of 45 passengers/day in each direction connecting between DFW and GEG on airlines other than AA or WN in Q2 2022 (unusual for a market that has daily AA nonstop service to DFW and no other nonstop service to the DFW/DAL market).

International and Puerto Rican destinations served by WN that have AA daily nonstop service out of DFW:
CUN, CZM, GCM (seasonally), LIR, MBJ, NAS (seasonally), PLS (seasonally), PVR, PUJ (seasonally), SJD, SJO, SJU

AA is the only airline currently that currently has nonstop service to GCM/LIR/NAS/PLS/SJO/SJU from DFW.

CUN has nonstop service from DFW on F9/NK/SY, MBJ will be gaining F9 nonstop service out of DFW in May 2023, and SY has seasonal nonstop service out of DFW to CZM/PVR/PUJ/SJD.

If WN does add service to DFW, DFW can likely support WN nonstop service to CUN/MBJ/PVR/SJD/SJU. DFW can also probably support WN nonstop service on at least a seasonal basis to some of the international destinations that aren't currently served nonstop from DFW on ULCC's such as GCM/LIR/NAS/PLS/SJO.

If WN adds some nonstop international flights out of DFW, WN adding nonstop service to DFW from Western U.S. cities such as ABQ/COS/OAK/PDX/SMF/SLC/SJC/SEA are possibilities to provide connecting feed onto WN nonstop international flights out of DFW.

Would WN seek to add some nonstop international flights out of DFW in the next 2 to 3 years?

6,069,544 November pax.
67,059,995 Jan-Nov 2022.

Will WN take advantage of the opportunity that will be there to add service out of DFW in 2025?

Where would WN operate out of at DFW if WN adds service to DFW in 2025?

jplatts wrote:

Will WN take advantage of the opportunity that will be there to add service out of DFW in 2025?

Where would WN operate out of at DFW if WN adds service to DFW in 2025?

I think the answer is still the same as all the other times you have asked this question. No one knows for sure.

jplatts wrote:

Here are the Q2 2022 PDEW's of the top contiguous U.S. markets traveled to from DFW/DAL that don't currently have daily WN nonstop service out of DAL:
DFW/DAL-BOS - 964
DFW/DAL-SEA - 900
DFW/DAL-PHL - 702
DFW/DAL-MSP - 681
DFW/DAL-DTW - 671
DFW/DAL-PDX - 412
DFW/DAL-CLE - 299
DFW/DAL-JAX - 275
DFW/DAL-CVG - 270
DFW/DAL-RSW - 219
DFW/DAL-ORF/PHF - 174
DFW/DAL-RIC - 172
DFW/DAL-SDF - 162
DFW/DAL-BDL - 148
DFW/DAL-RNO - 140

What do you know; the busiest routes are those to the far corners of the country. Don't people want to drive all the way up North?

Without Southwest, that is.

American Airlines is ending service to CSG and DRT this spring which are both served from DFW. AA is citing soft demand and ‘pilot shortages’.

Ryan

Brandon757 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

Will WN take advantage of the opportunity that will be there to add service out of DFW in 2025?

Where would WN operate out of at DFW if WN adds service to DFW in 2025?

I think the answer is still the same as all the other times you have asked this question. No one knows for sure.

CarlosSi wrote:

What do you know; the busiest routes are those to the far corners of the country. Don't people want to drive all the way up North?

Without Southwest, that is.

Things that WN needs to do in the Dallas/Fort Worth market in the next 3 years to remain competitive:

• Add service to a DFW-area airport other than DAL
• Resume daily nonstop service to BOS/DTW/JAX/SDF/MSP/PHL/PDX/SEA/ICT out of DAL
• Increase DAL-MEM to at least 2 daily nonstops from 1 daily nonstop
• Add daily nonstop service to CVG/CLE/BDL out of DAL

WN still has enough room at DAL to accommodate additional Saturday nonstop flights out of DAL with WN operating fewer daily departures on Saturdays than it does on Sundays or weekdays, even though WN will be up to 176 departures out of DAL on Saturdays in July 2023 from the approximately 140-150 departures that WN was previously operating out of DAL on Saturdays prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

WN's entry into a second DFW-area airport is also likely a matter of when since both Gary Kelly (the former CEO of WN) and Bob Jordan (the current CEO of WN) have stated that WN wants to expand in the Dallas/Fort Worth market beyond what WN currently serves nonstop from DAL.

jplatts wrote:

Brandon757 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

Will WN take advantage of the opportunity that will be there to add service out of DFW in 2025?

Where would WN operate out of at DFW if WN adds service to DFW in 2025?

I think the answer is still the same as all the other times you have asked this question. No one knows for sure.

CarlosSi wrote:

What do you know; the busiest routes are those to the far corners of the country. Don't people want to drive all the way up North?

Without Southwest, that is.

Things that WN needs to do in the Dallas/Fort Worth market in the next 3 years to remain competitive:

• Add service to a DFW-area airport other than DAL
• Resume daily nonstop service to BOS/DTW/JAX/SDF/MSP/PHL/PDX/SEA/ICT out of DAL
• Increase DAL-MEM to at least 2 daily nonstops from 1 daily nonstop
• Add daily nonstop service to CVG/CLE/BDL out of DAL

WN still has enough room at DAL to accommodate additional Saturday nonstop flights out of DAL with WN operating fewer daily departures on Saturdays than it does on Sundays or weekdays, even though WN will be up to 176 departures out of DAL on Saturdays in July 2023 from the approximately 140-150 departures that WN was previously operating out of DAL on Saturdays prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

WN's entry into a second DFW-area airport is also likely a matter of when since both Gary Kelly (the former CEO of WN) and Bob Jordan (the current CEO of WN) have stated that WN wants to expand in the Dallas/Fort Worth market beyond what WN currently serves nonstop from DAL.

You forgot the most important two

1)Fight hard to increase the DAL gate count
2) Fight hard to lift the ban on international service at DAL

The vote on McKinney building a 4 gate terminal (expandable to 16) at TKI is in May. If they build it , WN will come

Catchemnt is currently above a million, and is projected to grow to 3.5 million, so there will be lots of people that would prefer TKI to DAL or DFW

jplatts wrote:

Brandon757 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

Things that WN needs to do in the Dallas/Fort Worth market in the next 3 years to remain competitive:

• Add service to a DFW-area airport other than DAL
• Resume daily nonstop service to BOS/DTW/JAX/SDF/MSP/PHL/PDX/SEA/ICT out of DAL
• Increase DAL-MEM to at least 2 daily nonstops from 1 daily nonstop
• Add daily nonstop service to CVG/CLE/BDL out of DAL

[*] Reanimate Herb Keheller

Odds that the infrastructure at FTW gets improved and commercial service returns?

DL is down to 3 daily flights to ATL, Alaska is gate squatting to poke a finger in Delta eye for competing out of SEA. WN needs to get their operational house in order before expanding to TKI, DFW or FTW.

theAviationGeek wrote:

American Airlines is ending service to CSG and DRT this spring which are both served from DFW. AA is citing soft demand and ‘pilot shortages’.

Ryan

Sad about Del Rio, will they still have air service? Does United regional serve them?

cv5880 wrote:

DL is down to 3 daily flights to ATL, Alaska is gate squatting to poke a finger in Delta eye for competing out of SEA. WN needs to get their operational house in order before expanding to TKI, DFW or FTW.

Service out of any of those airports is over 2 years away. They don't need to get their operational house in order before expanding there. They've successfully added new cities for years and years, and will continue to do so before any announcement is made for expansion the DFW Metroplex.

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be improvement in their technology. There does, but that's completely unnecessary to opening a new airport. Believe me, ALL airlines needs to upgrade their IT to some degree or another. Frankly, they are all terrible and the WN type of meltdown could happen to any of the.

To be honest all US corporations have drastically underfunded their IT for the past 20 years. This to make Wall Street happy.

Is B6 ending service from DFW-JFK? I was looking for a flight in October and their 1x daily nonstop flight is now gone.

DFWandOMA wrote:

Is B6 ending service from DFW-JFK? I was looking for a flight in October and their 1x daily nonstop flight is now gone.

Yes, on Thursday I believe it was, my JFK-DFW flight for this June got canceled.

bob75013 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

Brandon757 wrote:

I think the answer is still the same as all the other times you have asked this question. No one knows for sure.

CarlosSi wrote:

What do you know; the busiest routes are those to the far corners of the country. Don't people want to drive all the way up North?

Without Southwest, that is.

Things that WN needs to do in the Dallas/Fort Worth market in the next 3 years to remain competitive:

• Add service to a DFW-area airport other than DAL
• Resume daily nonstop service to BOS/DTW/JAX/SDF/MSP/PHL/PDX/SEA/ICT out of DAL
• Increase DAL-MEM to at least 2 daily nonstops from 1 daily nonstop
• Add daily nonstop service to CVG/CLE/BDL out of DAL

WN still has enough room at DAL to accommodate additional Saturday nonstop flights out of DAL with WN operating fewer daily departures on Saturdays than it does on Sundays or weekdays, even though WN will be up to 176 departures out of DAL on Saturdays in July 2023 from the approximately 140-150 departures that WN was previously operating out of DAL on Saturdays prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

WN's entry into a second DFW-area airport is also likely a matter of when since both Gary Kelly (the former CEO of WN) and Bob Jordan (the current CEO of WN) have stated that WN wants to expand in the Dallas/Fort Worth market beyond what WN currently serves nonstop from DAL.

You forgot the most important two

1)Fight hard to increase the DAL gate count
2) Fight hard to lift the ban on international service at DAL

The vote on McKinney building a 4 gate terminal (expandable to 16) at TKI is in May. If they build it , WN will come

Catchemnt is currently above a million, and is projected to grow to 3.5 million, so there will be lots of people that would prefer TKI to DAL or DFW

Has it been confirmed the referendum for expanding TKI is happening? I can’t find any articles saying it’s a done deal.

Also, won’t the runway at TKI need to be extended/upgraded to handle the growth?

AWACSooner wrote:

Odds that the infrastructure at FTW gets improved and commercial service returns?

I wish. I used the Mesa service to Houston a few times. Was quite handy but sadly short lived as was Mesa's branded ops at FTW in the 90s

FlyingSicilian wrote:

AWACSooner wrote:

Odds that the infrastructure at FTW gets improved and commercial service returns?

I wish. I used the Mesa service to Houston a few times. Was quite handy but sadly short lived as was Mesa's branded ops at FTW in the 90s

Wonder if service would be more successful a second time around since the area has grown IMMENSELY and continues to grow? Is like to see this service.

Runway765 wrote:

Has it been confirmed the referendum for expanding TKI is happening? I can’t find any articles saying it’s a done deal.

Also, won’t the runway at TKI need to be extended/upgraded to handle the growth?

McKinney citizens will vote on the TKI expansion in May.

Runway is currently 7000 feet long and 150 feet wide with a 450,000 pound weight limit. So no upgrade needed, although funding is already in place to increase length to 8500 feet.

So the Prez could land AF1 to attend the opening ceremonies and be the first plane to officially land.

bob75013 wrote:

Runway765 wrote:

Has it been confirmed the referendum for expanding TKI is happening? I can’t find any articles saying it’s a done deal.

Also, won’t the runway at TKI need to be extended/upgraded to handle the growth?

McKinney citizens will vote on the TKI expansion in May.

Runway is currently 7000 feet long and 150 feet wide with a 450,000 pound weight limit. So no upgrade needed, although funding is already in place to increase length to 8500 feet.

So the Prez could land AF1 to attend the opening ceremonies and be the first plane to officially land.

I will correct what I said above, since apparently I can no longer edit it.

The McKinney bond committee approved the plan last year and handed it off to the city council. The city council now has until February decide to to allow citizens to vote in May on the bond package.

AAPilot48Heavy wrote:

DFWandOMA wrote:

Is B6 ending service from DFW-JFK? I was looking for a flight in October and their 1x daily nonstop flight is now gone.

Yes, on Thursday I believe it was, my JFK-DFW flight for this June got canceled.

I still see BOS-DFW when I try dummy bookings on jetblue.com, but no JFK-DFW, as you've said.
I think the timing of the JFK-DFW flight was odd; how many people want to leave JFK at 9pm and land at DFW after midnight?!

At least the BOS-DFW service is on an A220. Which I love...once they can coax it into the air.

Here are the Q3 2022 PDEW's out of Love Field of the top contiguous U.S. destinations traveled to from DAL that didn't have any nonstop service out of Love Field in Q3 2022:
DAL-DTW - 37 (WN previously served DTW nonstop from DAL)
DAL-BOS - 37 (WN previously served BOS nonstop from DAL)
DAL-PVD - 31
DAL-MSP - 30 (WN is going to be resuming weekend-only DAL-MSP nonstop service on a weekend-only basis starting on 3/11/2023)
DAL-BUF - 23
DAL-CLE - 22 (WN had Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service in Fall 2019)
DAL-GSP - 20
DAL-RIC - 19
DAL-BDL - 19
DAL-GRR - 19

The above PDEW's do not include passengers traveling out of DFW to DTW/BOS/PVD/MSP/BUF/CLE/GSP/RIC/BDL/GRR.

Markets served nonstop out of Love Field (DAL) in Q3 2019 that had higher O&D PDEWs out of Love Field in Q3 2022 than in Q3 2019 include the following:
AMA, BHM, CHS, CHI (MDW/ORD), CMH, DEN, ELP, IND, MIA/FLL, LAS, LBB, MSY, LGA, MCO, PNS, ECP, PHX, SMF, STL, SLC, TPA, WAS (DCA/IAD/BWI)

AA737-823 wrote:

AAPilot48Heavy wrote:

DFWandOMA wrote:

Is B6 ending service from DFW-JFK? I was looking for a flight in October and their 1x daily nonstop flight is now gone.

Yes, on Thursday I believe it was, my JFK-DFW flight for this June got canceled.

I still see BOS-DFW when I try dummy bookings on jetblue.com, but no JFK-DFW, as you've said.
I think the timing of the JFK-DFW flight was odd; how many people want to leave JFK at 9pm and land at DFW after midnight?!

At least the BOS-DFW service is on an A220. Which I love...once they can coax it into the air.

That late night JFK departure was a life saver when I was going back and forth to NYC and I would get some at 6pm in the city. I could still make it back to DFW same day.
I'm sure there were other biz pax that felt the same way, which is likely what it was aimed at.

Just saw a Qatar 77L depart 35L and turn to about 310 and climbing before heading more northerly. Getting gusty westerly winds this morning.

385 guns at DFW in carry-on bags in 2022, a new record. 127 at DAL.

Looks like Delta finally got it's gate problem settled at DAL:

https://news.delta.com/delta-gets-bigge ... stinations

Beginning June 5, the new routes out of the airline's now-permanent home at gate 11 include:
From a Delta Press Release
Twice-daily service to New York-LGA
Twice-daily service to LAX
Increased frequency to Atlanta with five daily flights

Delta’s expansion in DAL complements its existing service at Dallas Fort Worth International Airport (DFW), where the airline provides multiple daily offerings to eight of its nine U.S. hubs. As of July 2023, Delta will operate nearly 40 peak-day departures to eight destinations from DAL and DFW combined, giving customers access to three of the top five destinations to/from Dallas* and be the only carrier operating service to New York and Los Angeles from both Dallas airports.

“After a nearly decade-long effort, Delta has secured long-term access at Dallas Love Field, giving us the ability to serve more customers in Dallas and North Texas for years to come,” said Joe Esposito, Delta’s Senior Vice President – Network Planning. “These new routes that will operate from a Delta-dedicated gate signal the continuation of Delta’s ongoing investments in Texas and our commitment to serving this community with flights to their top destinations.”

All flights will operate on an Airbus A319 aircraft, equipped with fast, free Wi-Fi (just launched this month) and in-flight entertainment screens featuring thousands of hours of movies, TV shows, podcasts and exclusive partner-curated content from Spotify and more. Customers will have even more to enjoy while at 30,000 feet, such as refreshed onboard snacks and beverages, including espresso martinis and rosé wine for purchase.

Good for DL. Remember Dallas Love was one of Delta's original 1929 cities and again when they reformed in 1934. Long history in Dallas along with Braniff, and American Airlines. DL has served Dallas Love with Travel Airs, Stinson Model A, Stinson Model T, Lockheed Electra, DC-2, DC-4, DC-6, DC-7, DC-8, DC-9, Connie, CV-880, 727-100, 727-200, and the Queen 747-100. Also pre WW2 Delta Dusters did crop dusting on cotton farms around North Texas. Can't wait to try the new service. I hope in the future DL will add a afternoon JFK service to connect to the European departure bank.

So are we taking bets on how long it will take Delta's new adventure to need not only gate 11, but also to share the woefully underutilized Alaska gate 13?
I'm an Alaska flyer, so my preference would be for Alaska to actually use that gate, but Alaska seems more keen to load scheduled and sell tickets on flights they don't intend to operate.

Also, I think they only disappointing thing about DL's announcement is the aircraft type; A319!?
I love the 717, but would have gladly settled for A220s on the longer routes. The choice of the 319 just seems odd to me.
But what do I know; I'm still just bitter about United packing up and leaving town!

AA737-823 wrote:

So are we taking bets on how long it will take Delta's new adventure to need not only gate 11, but also to share the woefully underutilized Alaska gate 13?
I'm an Alaska flyer, so my preference would be for Alaska to actually use that gate, but Alaska seems more keen to load scheduled and sell tickets on flights they don't intend to operate.

Also, I think they only disappointing thing about DL's announcement is the aircraft type; A319!?
I love the 717, but would have gladly settled for A220s on the longer routes. The choice of the 319 just seems odd to me.
But what do I know; I'm still just bitter about United packing up and leaving town!

So it confirmed that Delta gained the gate because AS underused the gate and had to give up one of its gate positions? Therefore, this means the low grade fight between WN and DL is over then?

Also, did AS just give up one of the few controlled airport assets in the US? (Obviously not slots similar to LGA and DCA, but there is an artificial cap on gates that's is below natural demand)

N717TW wrote:

AA737-823 wrote:

So are we taking bets on how long it will take Delta's new adventure to need not only gate 11, but also to share the woefully underutilized Alaska gate 13?
I'm an Alaska flyer, so my preference would be for Alaska to actually use that gate, but Alaska seems more keen to load scheduled and sell tickets on flights they don't intend to operate.

Also, I think they only disappointing thing about DL's announcement is the aircraft type; A319!?
I love the 717, but would have gladly settled for A220s on the longer routes. The choice of the 319 just seems odd to me.
But what do I know; I'm still just bitter about United packing up and leaving town!

So it confirmed that Delta gained the gate because AS underused the gate and had to give up one of its gate positions? Therefore, this means the low grade fight between WN and DL is over then?

Also, did AS just give up one of the few controlled airport assets in the US? (Obviously not slots similar to LGA and DCA, but there is an artificial cap on gates that's is below natural demand)

All the parties reached an agreement and DL is leasing the gate from Alaska for 6 years.

Can I say that the loud jazz music in D at DFW is not relaxing.

SRQLOT wrote:

Can I say that the loud jazz music in D at DFW is not relaxing.

Agreed. DFW's taste in music in general is the opposite of relaxing to me. I really like the SkyLink station music but that's about it.

MLIAA wrote:

SRQLOT wrote:

Can I say that the loud jazz music in D at DFW is not relaxing.

Agreed. DFW's taste in music in general is the opposite of relaxing to me. I really like the SkyLink station music but that's about it.

Glad I’m not the only one! My teeth are grinding themselves down! Could be also because it’s an ice box in here! And that is every terminal at any time of the year. I have my thick winter jacket on and I’m still freezing. Honestly not my preferred connection airport in the first place, I only do it because of AA.

I just saw/read that beginning in March, Lufthansa (LH) will begin sending their 787-9 from Frankfurt (FRA).

As was noted, this will allow this to carry additional cargo over their current capabilities on the A333/A340.

I can’t wait to see it fly overtop my house in the coming months.

McKinney city council voted yesterday to put the TKI bond issue on the May ballot.

So voters will decide in May about whether or not a TKI passenger terminal will be built.

bob75013 wrote:

McKinney city council voted yesterday to put the TKI bond issue on the May ballot.

So voters will decide in May about whether or not a TKI passenger terminal will be built.

Me thinks they have a case of "if you build it, they will come". Ask the folks in Branson and East St. Louis how that worked out. Using $200M of taxpayer money for this boondoggle is crazy. But, we'll see what the voters think.

bob75013 wrote:

McKinney city council voted yesterday to put the TKI bond issue on the May ballot.

So voters will decide in May about whether or not a TKI passenger terminal will be built.

Fantastic news. It should certainly be up to the will of the people.

Thanks for sharing.

AAPilot48Heavy wrote:

I just saw/read that beginning in March, Lufthansa (LH) will begin sending their 787-9 from Frankfurt (FRA).

As was noted, this will allow this to carry additional cargo over their current capabilities on the A333/A340.

I can’t wait to see it fly overtop my house in the coming months.

I saw this news as well -- personally, I was hoping they'd bring the 748, but that's probably a pipe dream (at least for now).

Still, it's been great to see how successful LH has been long-term at DFW. I'd love to see more connections to Germany, but I doubt LH would fly DFW-MUC. Hopefully AA will bring that route back (I know it was planned pre-Covid, but not sure if it ever launched).

DFWGlobeTrotter wrote:

AAPilot48Heavy wrote:

I just saw/read that beginning in March, Lufthansa (LH) will begin sending their 787-9 from Frankfurt (FRA).

As was noted, this will allow this to carry additional cargo over their current capabilities on the A333/A340.

I can’t wait to see it fly overtop my house in the coming months.

I saw this news as well -- personally, I was hoping they'd bring the 748, but that's probably a pipe dream (at least for now).

Still, it's been great to see how successful LH has been long-term at DFW. I'd love to see more connections to Germany, but I doubt LH would fly DFW-MUC. Hopefully AA will bring that route back (I know it was planned pre-Covid, but not sure if it ever launched).

Absolutely, I'd have a wet dream if they brought the 747-8i in, but that is a pipe dream. I do enjoy flying LH over to Europe and back on occasion though. I typically cash in United miles to fly them to/from Europe.

AAPilot48Heavy wrote:

DFWGlobeTrotter wrote:

AAPilot48Heavy wrote:

I just saw/read that beginning in March, Lufthansa (LH) will begin sending their 787-9 from Frankfurt (FRA).

As was noted, this will allow this to carry additional cargo over their current capabilities on the A333/A340.

I can’t wait to see it fly overtop my house in the coming months.

I saw this news as well -- personally, I was hoping they'd bring the 748, but that's probably a pipe dream (at least for now).

Still, it's been great to see how successful LH has been long-term at DFW. I'd love to see more connections to Germany, but I doubt LH would fly DFW-MUC. Hopefully AA will bring that route back (I know it was planned pre-Covid, but not sure if it ever launched).

Absolutely, I'd have a wet dream if they brought the 747-8i in, but that is a pipe dream. I do enjoy flying LH over to Europe and back on occasion though. I typically cash in United miles to fly them to/from Europe.

Jealous. I need to build up *A or AmEx points if I'm going to fly on a 747 before they're gone ...

DFWGlobeTrotter wrote:

Hopefully AA will bring that route back (I know it was planned pre-Covid, but not sure if it ever launched).

It did launch. It flew June to October of 2019 and was scheduled to return for 2020 until the world shut down. I hope it comes back as well, once AA's widebody issues are resolved.

dfw88 wrote:

DFWGlobeTrotter wrote:

Hopefully AA will bring that route back (I know it was planned pre-Covid, but not sure if it ever launched).

It did launch. It flew June to October of 2019 and was scheduled to return for 2020 until the world shut down. I hope it comes back as well, once AA's widebody issues are resolved.

What aircraft was used? I'm assuming a 787 variant.

DFWGlobeTrotter wrote:

dfw88 wrote:

DFWGlobeTrotter wrote:

Hopefully AA will bring that route back (I know it was planned pre-Covid, but not sure if it ever launched).

It did launch. It flew June to October of 2019 and was scheduled to return for 2020 until the world shut down. I hope it comes back as well, once AA's widebody issues are resolved.

What aircraft was used? I'm assuming a 787 variant.

Yep. 787-8