Kentucky Aviation - 2023

hOMSaR · Sun Jan 01, 2023 12:34 am

Welcome to the Kentucky Aviation thread - 2023 edition.

Please continue to post your news and discussions below.

Link to the 2022 edition:
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ibthebigd · Sun Jan 01, 2023 12:47 am

I hope 2023 is the year United adds LEX-DEN.

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Bluegrass60 · Sun Jan 01, 2023 2:30 pm

Seems LEX-DEN did exist a few years ago? Hope they get it back!

2023 SDF wish list: YYZ, SEA, ECP, RDU. AS select SDF for service (SEA). MX continue to grow at SDF.

SLCaviation · Sun Jan 01, 2023 4:40 pm

SLC-SDF is on the top of my wishlist for sure. An E175 can make the route or even the 221. Fingers crossed

kwp302 · Mon Jan 02, 2023 3:37 am

I could see SDF-SEA being a dart MX throws at the board.

Bentheswim11 · Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:10 am

Bluegrass60 wrote:
Seems LEX-DEN did exist a few years ago? Hope they get it back!

2023 SDF wish list: YYZ, SEA, ECP, RDU. AS select SDF for service (SEA). MX continue to grow at SDF.

Breeze and Avelo plan to expand massively at RDU in the next few years so that’s likely. Breeze said they see up to 15 more additions from RDU next year, and I believe the traffic is like 35,000 a year.

LBBflyer · Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:29 pm

My SDF wish-list in order of how likely they are to occur:
1) SDF-JFK on DL
2) SDF-SLC on DL (maybe SDF-PVU on MX?)
3) SDF-SEA on AS
4) SDF-PHX on AA

It does seem like MX has really cooled on SDF after the initial adds. I don't expect any additional MX service for quite a while. Also, what are the feeling on getting AA, DL, UA, or WN service back on SDF-LAX? NK seems to have taken a chokehold on both LAX and LAS for the time being, but there must still be a decent amount of travelers who will avoid NK.

kwp302 · Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:20 am

LBBflyer wrote:
My SDF wish-list in order of how likely they are to occur:
1) SDF-JFK on DL
2) SDF-SLC on DL (maybe SDF-PVU on MX?)
3) SDF-SEA on AS
4) SDF-PHX on AA

It does seem like MX has really cooled on SDF after the initial adds. I don't expect any additional MX service for quite a while. Also, what are the feeling on getting AA, DL, UA, or WN service back on SDF-LAX? NK seems to have taken a chokehold on both LAX and LAS for the time being, but there must still be a decent amount of travelers who will avoid NK.

SDF-PHX on AA could be the first add out of those, especially since WN is keeping it weekend-only. 92 PDEW in 2022Q2 (114 PDEW in 2022Q1 when WN flew it daily)

SkyVoice · Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 am

ibthebigd wrote:
I hope 2023 is the year United adds LEX-DEN.

Bluegrass60 wrote:
Seems LEX-DEN did exist a few years ago? Hope they get it back!

LEX-DEN today would be fantastic. Yes, there was direct service from LEX to DEN, and it was quite a few years ago, in the 1980's in fact. That service was provided by the original Frontier (FL), with an intermediate stop in St. Louis. I'm from Richmond originally and I lived in Lexington in the 1980s, working at WJMM Radio and First Security National Bank. I don't recall anyone flying LEX-DEN on Frontier, but I remember that several people I knew flew LEX-STL on Frontier, where they made an interline connection to their final destination on either TWA or Ozark.

Come to think of it, LEX-STL service today would be fantastic, too. So would service to STL from SDF and CVG.

Happy New Year!

Bluegrass60 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:14 pm

I agree that SDF-STL would be a great addition. WN, TW, OZ, AA, EA all flew that route at one time. WN was the most recent carrier thru 2015 or so. Supposedly they were close to resuming service until the Pandemic hit.

Bluegrass60 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
I agree that SDF-STL would be a great addition. WN, TW, OZ, AA, EA all flew that route at one time. WN was the most recent carrier thru 2015 or so. Supposedly they were close to resuming service until the Pandemic hit.

Think LEX-DEN more likely for LEX than STL. Best of luck tho

SumChristianus · Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:26 am

Looks like United now has a second daily mainline ORD-SDF as well as a daily mainline IAH-SDF scheduled starting April 30th. LEX-ORD also goes all E175 starting May 5th. DEN-SDF also gets one flight upgauged to B739 (from B738)starting May 5th.

kwp302 · Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:18 am

SumChristianus wrote:
Looks like United now has a second daily mainline ORD-SDF as well as a daily mainline IAH-SDF scheduled starting April 30th. LEX-ORD also goes all E175 starting May 5th. DEN-SDF also gets one flight upgauged to B739 (from B738)starting May 5th.

Wow, huge changes. It wasn’t long ago United was just a parade of CRJ2’s at SDF

Bluegrass60 · Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:38 pm

Are UA up-gauges at SDF unique to SDF or somewhat system-wide?

UPS757Pilot · Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:12 am

Are the April 30 upgauges for derby or ongoing?

Jgsushi · Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:18 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
Are UA up-gauges at SDF unique to SDF or somewhat system-wide?

Seems to be common in the Midwest/Ohio Valley

Bluegrass60 · Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:07 pm

The real question is UA up-gauging adding capacity overall to SDF? Answer is yes.

Bluegrass60 · Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:10 pm

SDF go international in 2023? Boyd thinks maybe: https://rumble.com/v21ybny-aviation-to- ... onal-.html

niagara484 · Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:46 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
SDF go international in 2023? Boyd thinks maybe: https://rumble.com/v21ybny-aviation-to- ... onal-.html

I stopped putting much stock into Boyd's prognostications a while ago. Half the time it seems he's merely trying to drum up business for his consulting service. There's really no harm in that but I'd rather hear about international service directly from Mr. Mann. Then I know there's going to be some meat on the bones.

The issue I see is that SDF doesn't seem to have any facilities to process international arrivals (passengers). How would you handle an A320 full of sunburned tourists returning from Cancun with the current terminal setup? Any expansion of the terminal to include FIS facilities is a minimum 2-3 years out (best-case scenario).

niagara484

Bluegrass60 · Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:11 pm

I think an FIS facility is part of current SDF Next Program going on now. Seems saw it opens in 24 or 25?

UPS757Pilot · Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:08 pm

YYZ would seem a good choice.

niagara484 · Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:18 am

Count me as a big fan of the United upgrades at SDF over the past few years. I was very happy when UA finally (!) added DEN-SDF as I live in Denver and have family in Louisville. However, I was admittedly less than thrilled with the ERJ-145s. The 175s that started showing up a few years ago were a huge step forward. Now we have A319s and A320s! And a flight schedule that frankly puts Southwest to shame in that city pair.

Air Canada flew YYZ-SDF in the late 1980s into the 90s with a Jetstream 31. Talk about a long haul on a little plane! Since you clear US Immigration/Customs in Canada I'm sure the flight was handled like any other domestic arrival/departure.

Certainly the SDF master plan spells out a need for a FIS facility. But I've looked around this evening and I can't find any evidence that such has actually been funded and is underway. The only thing you see in the SDF Next materials on the airport website is the following:

"Having an International Port of Entry will allow customs inspections and baggage inspection and handling for international arrivals."

That reads to me that the airport believes this is a "nice to have," but that's as far as it's gone for the time being. I'd expect much more "actionable" (bold) language like "We're going to build a FIS facility" or even just "We're planning a FIS facility" if something's going to happen because this will be a really big deal for SDF.

niagara484

SDFguy · Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:24 am

Bluegrass60 wrote:
SDF go international in 2023? Boyd thinks maybe: https://rumble.com/v21ybny-aviation-to- ... onal-.html

I would much rather focus on getting flights to west coast destinations like SAN, LAX, SLC, SFO and SEA than wasting time going after some once weekly flights to Cancun.

FlyingElvii · Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 am

niagara484 wrote:
Count me as a big fan of the United upgrades at SDF over the past few years. I was very happy when UA finally (!) added DEN-SDF as I live in Denver and have family in Louisville. However, I was admittedly less than thrilled with the ERJ-145s. The 175s that started showing up a few years ago were a huge step forward. Now we have A319s and A320s! And a flight schedule that frankly puts Southwest to shame in that city pair.

Air Canada flew YYZ-SDF in the late 1980s into the 90s with a Jetstream 31. Talk about a long haul on a little plane! Since you clear US Immigration/Customs in Canada I'm sure the flight was handled like any other domestic arrival/departure.

Certainly the SDF master plan spells out a need for a FIS facility. But I've looked around this evening and I can't find any evidence that such has actually been funded and is underway. The only thing you see in the SDF Next materials on the airport website is the following:

"Having an International Port of Entry will allow customs inspections and baggage inspection and handling for international arrivals."

That reads to me that the airport believes this is a "nice to have," but that's as far as it's gone for the time being. I'd expect much more "actionable" (bold) language like "We're going to build a FIS facility" or even just "We're planning a FIS facility" if something's going to happen because this will be a really big deal for SDF.

niagara484

In the Early/Mid 90's, Air Toronto flew a Convair 440/580 conversion to Indianapolis from YYZ. Watched the Hale-Bopp Comet one night over a dark Lake Erie from that plane.

Bluegrass60 · Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:01 pm

I think there are international gate(s) along with FIS in Master Plan. Still think completion in 24 or 25.

Boyds thoughts are LHR or Amsterdam or Paris or Frankfurt or Dublin.

YYZ is on Mr. Gilmers radar as is SEA and others. He is doing an awesome job by the way

Jgsushi · Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:58 pm

niagara484 wrote:
Count me as a big fan of the United upgrades at SDF over the past few years. I was very happy when UA finally (!) added DEN-SDF as I live in Denver and have family in Louisville. However, I was admittedly less than thrilled with the ERJ-145s. The 175s that started showing up a few years ago were a huge step forward. Now we have A319s and A320s! And a flight schedule that frankly puts Southwest to shame in that city pair.

Air Canada flew YYZ-SDF in the late 1980s into the 90s with a Jetstream 31. Talk about a long haul on a little plane! Since you clear US Immigration/Customs in Canada I'm sure the flight was handled like any other domestic arrival/departure.

Certainly the SDF master plan spells out a need for a FIS facility. But I've looked around this evening and I can't find any evidence that such has actually been funded and is underway. The only thing you see in the SDF Next materials on the airport website is the following:

"Having an International Port of Entry will allow customs inspections and baggage inspection and handling for international arrivals."

That reads to me that the airport believes this is a "nice to have," but that's as far as it's gone for the time being. I'd expect much more "actionable" (bold) language like "We're going to build a FIS facility" or even just "We're planning a FIS facility" if something's going to happen because this will be a really big deal for SDF.

niagara484

Air Canada is changing CMH's YYZ schedule in May. 3X CRJ2s is becoming 1X CRJ2, 1XC CRJ9. So AC has two CRJ2s to use if it wanted to try SDF service.

Jshank83 · Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:57 pm

Jgsushi wrote:
niagara484 wrote:
Count me as a big fan of the United upgrades at SDF over the past few years. I was very happy when UA finally (!) added DEN-SDF as I live in Denver and have family in Louisville. However, I was admittedly less than thrilled with the ERJ-145s. The 175s that started showing up a few years ago were a huge step forward. Now we have A319s and A320s! And a flight schedule that frankly puts Southwest to shame in that city pair.

Air Canada flew YYZ-SDF in the late 1980s into the 90s with a Jetstream 31. Talk about a long haul on a little plane! Since you clear US Immigration/Customs in Canada I'm sure the flight was handled like any other domestic arrival/departure.

Certainly the SDF master plan spells out a need for a FIS facility. But I've looked around this evening and I can't find any evidence that such has actually been funded and is underway. The only thing you see in the SDF Next materials on the airport website is the following:

"Having an International Port of Entry will allow customs inspections and baggage inspection and handling for international arrivals."

That reads to me that the airport believes this is a "nice to have," but that's as far as it's gone for the time being. I'd expect much more "actionable" (bold) language like "We're going to build a FIS facility" or even just "We're planning a FIS facility" if something's going to happen because this will be a really big deal for SDF.

niagara484

Air Canada is changing CMH's YYZ schedule in May. 3X CRJ2s is becoming 1X CRJ2, 1XC CRJ9. So AC has two CRJ2s to use if it wanted to try SDF service.

STL goes from 1xE175 to 2xCRJ2 in May... that could be where the CRJs go. You would need to look thru the entire schedule to see if they really have planes opening up or if they are just shuffling them around.

I am also not sure May is set yet

Italianflyer · Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:51 am

As much as I'd love to see YYZ come back....again...I just don't see it. They couldn't make it work on a B1900 the last time. Transferring at Pearson from the "US wing" to anywhere is a PITA. I'd rather transfer terminals @ JFK. Given Euro/ME/ African /Indian accessibility over other hubs I can't see it viable.
A (LONG OVERDUE) FIS is going to cater to CUM, CZM, NAS, PUJ, etc. on a ULCC and make SDF a diversion option when things go sideways at CVG, IND, BNA or possibly ORD.
While I agree with Boyd that the A220 is a game changer I think TATL from SDF & peer cities to slot constrained LHR is waaaaayyyy out.

Bluegrass60 · Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:13 pm

I would not underestimate SDF Anthony Gilmer. He will get YYZ and JFK.

Boyd cites A330 and NEO as platforms that could fly TATL to SDF. Not sure A220 has that range. If SDF did get TATL...would think less than daily and perhaps seasonal. March/April thru Nov/Dec? Tourism would be a driver to/from

jplatts · Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:27 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
I would not underestimate SDF Anthony Gilmer. He will get YYZ and JFK.

SDF is one of the largest markets in the contiguous U.S. by metropolitan area population that doesn't currently have nonstop service to JFK.

PHL/STL/GSO/GSP/OKC are the only U.S. metropolitan areas with Combined Statistical Area populations bigger than SDF that don't currently have any nonstop service to JFK.

SDFguy · Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:45 pm

Really odd that AA doesn't serve STL-JFK

MavyWavyATR · Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:07 am

One route I'm surprised that no one's tried yet: BWG (Bowling Green) - DTW; especially given the business ties between both of them.

LBBflyer · Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:01 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
One route I'm surprised that no one's tried yet: BWG (Bowling Green) - DTW; especially given the business ties between both of them.

DTW would likely have the most non-stop business demand from BWG. However, given the size of the Bowling Green Assembly plant relative to other plans, I do wonder it actually drives enough demand for service. Also, since that service would have almost certainly been CRJ2's, would GM employees have opted to use mainline flights out of BNA only 60 miles to the south?

I do think that some service will return with the continued growth of the Bowling Green area plus the increased traffic congestion in Nashville as it continues to grow rapidly. The drive down I-65 from the TN stateline into Nashville is painful during large parts of most mornings and is likely to get worse until TDOT finishes the widening project that just started and will take years to reach Nashville. I could see G4 flights to Florida destinations similar to what OWB has before I could see service to mainline hubs (ATL, CLT, ORD, etc.).

Bluegrass60 · Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:45 pm

LBBflyer wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
One route I'm surprised that no one's tried yet: BWG (Bowling Green) - DTW; especially given the business ties between both of them.

DTW would likely have the most non-stop business demand from BWG. However, given the size of the Bowling Green Assembly plant relative to other plans, I do wonder it actually drives enough demand for service. Also, since that service would have almost certainly been CRJ2's, would GM employees have opted to use mainline flights out of BNA only 60 miles to the south?

I do think that some service will return with the continued growth of the Bowling Green area plus the increased traffic congestion in Nashville as it continues to grow rapidly. The drive down I-65 from the TN stateline into Nashville is painful during large parts of most mornings and is likely to get worse until TDOT finishes the widening project that just started and will take years to reach Nashville. I could see G4 flights to Florida destinations similar to what OWB has before I could see service to mainline hubs (ATL, CLT, ORD, etc.).

"Wonder if bus service from BWG to SDF could work? Agree that G4-like service is more likely than mainline hub service; also agree that BNA seems more and more painful as preferred airport. Is SDF and its @30 extra miles a better alternative to BNA? (particularly for service North, East and West)

Bus service OWB-SDF might also be worth exploring?

LBBflyer · Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:29 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
LBBflyer wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
One route I'm surprised that no one's tried yet: BWG (Bowling Green) - DTW; especially given the business ties between both of them.

DTW would likely have the most non-stop business demand from BWG. However, given the size of the Bowling Green Assembly plant relative to other plans, I do wonder it actually drives enough demand for service. Also, since that service would have almost certainly been CRJ2's, would GM employees have opted to use mainline flights out of BNA only 60 miles to the south?

I do think that some service will return with the continued growth of the Bowling Green area plus the increased traffic congestion in Nashville as it continues to grow rapidly. The drive down I-65 from the TN stateline into Nashville is painful during large parts of most mornings and is likely to get worse until TDOT finishes the widening project that just started and will take years to reach Nashville. I could see G4 flights to Florida destinations similar to what OWB has before I could see service to mainline hubs (ATL, CLT, ORD, etc.).

"Wonder if bus service from BWG to SDF could work? Agree that G4-like service is more likely than mainline hub service; also agree that BNA seems more and more painful as preferred airport. Is SDF and its @30 extra miles a better alternative to BNA? (particularly for service North, East and West)

Bus service OWB-SDF might also be worth exploring?

Bus service is an interesting concept. I believe the only US airline supported bus services are currently AA PHL-ACY/ABE/LNS and UA DEN-BKD/FNL. It would be interesting to see if these types of services could work from non-hub airports. That could be a creative answer to the demise of the 50-seat jet, especially for cities that are too far for a bus run to a hub. I could see this working for OWB (connect to SDF), BWG (connect to BNA), PAH (connect to STL), GTR (connect to JAN/BHM), etc. Those cities would be too far for a bus trip to ORD, ATL, or CLT.

Delta28L · Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:40 pm

LBBflyer wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:
LBBflyer wrote:

DTW would likely have the most non-stop business demand from BWG. However, given the size of the Bowling Green Assembly plant relative to other plans, I do wonder it actually drives enough demand for service. Also, since that service would have almost certainly been CRJ2's, would GM employees have opted to use mainline flights out of BNA only 60 miles to the south?

I do think that some service will return with the continued growth of the Bowling Green area plus the increased traffic congestion in Nashville as it continues to grow rapidly. The drive down I-65 from the TN stateline into Nashville is painful during large parts of most mornings and is likely to get worse until TDOT finishes the widening project that just started and will take years to reach Nashville. I could see G4 flights to Florida destinations similar to what OWB has before I could see service to mainline hubs (ATL, CLT, ORD, etc.).

"Wonder if bus service from BWG to SDF could work? Agree that G4-like service is more likely than mainline hub service; also agree that BNA seems more and more painful as preferred airport. Is SDF and its @30 extra miles a better alternative to BNA? (particularly for service North, East and West)

Bus service OWB-SDF might also be worth exploring?

Bus service is an interesting concept. I believe the only US airline supported bus services are currently AA PHL-ACY/ABE/LNS and UA DEN-BKD/FNL. It would be interesting to see if these types of services could work from non-hub airports. That could be a creative answer to the demise of the 50-seat jet, especially for cities that are too far for a bus run to a hub. I could see this working for OWB (connect to SDF), BWG (connect to BNA), PAH (connect to STL), GTR (connect to JAN/BHM), etc. Those cities would be too far for a bus trip to ORD, ATL, or CLT.

I don’t see GTR losing commercial service with the large military base to the north and a major college to west. Those generate enough traffic that delta runs three daily flights a day depending on time of year. Contour would be a good candidate to take over flights of delta ever pulls out.

Bluegrass60 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:54 pm

"Louisville airport traffic grew in 2022 with new flights, and 2023 may be 'record-breaking'"
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 834445007/

Mr Mann suggested YYZ. SEA and SLC routes could happen; also the $400M SDF Next ongoing project; Mr. Gilmer suggested record pax to exceed 4.23M citing reduced 'leakage'.

LBBflyer · Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:52 pm

It looks like United is the first airline to load their 2023 Derby flights. I am seeing the following additional flights on 5/4:

SFO: 2x B39M
LAX: 1x B39M
DEN: 2x B39M
ORD: 1x B39M
IAH: 1x B39M, 1x B739
IAD: 1x E175
EWR: 3x B739, 1x B39M

Interesting to see how much stronger the EWR upgrades are than the IAD upgrades.

jasoncrh · Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:54 pm

is there any way to see more of the story? it's behind a paywall. from what I can gather on the flylouisville.com site, there were fewer passengers than the 4.2M all in in 2019. Not surprising. I hope that 2023 surpasses!! Thanks for sharing.

Bluegrass60 wrote:
"Louisville airport traffic grew in 2022 with new flights, and 2023 may be 'record-breaking'"
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 834445007/

Mr Mann suggested YYZ. SEA and SLC routes could happen; also the $400M SDF Next ongoing project; Mr. Gilmer suggested record pax to exceed 4.23M citing reduced 'leakage'.

jasoncrh · Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:55 pm

Newark isnt really that surprising - the NYC area is a larger market thank the DC area. Keep it up - I always like seeing who adds what to my home town on Derby weekend.

LBBflyer wrote:
It looks like United is the first airline to load their 2023 Derby flights. I am seeing the following additional flights on 5/4:

SFO: 2x B39M
LAX: 1x B39M
DEN: 2x B39M
ORD: 1x B39M
IAH: 1x B39M, 1x B739
IAD: 1x E175
EWR: 3x B739, 1x B39M

Interesting to see how much stronger the EWR upgrades are than the IAD upgrades.

kwp302 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:40 pm

LBBflyer wrote:
It looks like United is the first airline to load their 2023 Derby flights. I am seeing the following additional flights on 5/4:

SFO: 2x B39M
LAX: 1x B39M
DEN: 2x B39M
ORD: 1x B39M
IAH: 1x B39M, 1x B739
IAD: 1x E175
EWR: 3x B739, 1x B39M

Interesting to see how much stronger the EWR upgrades are than the IAD upgrades.

Delta has also added LAX on a B738 for Thu, May 4 and Sun, May 7, but they haven't updated anything on their other routes yet.

LBBflyer · Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:12 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
is there any way to see more of the story? it's behind a paywall. from what I can gather on the flylouisville.com site, there were fewer passengers than the 4.2M all in in 2019. Not surprising. I hope that 2023 surpasses!! Thanks for sharing.

Bluegrass60 wrote:
"Louisville airport traffic grew in 2022 with new flights, and 2023 may be 'record-breaking'"
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 834445007/

Mr Mann suggested YYZ. SEA and SLC routes could happen; also the $400M SDF Next ongoing project; Mr. Gilmer suggested record pax to exceed 4.23M citing reduced 'leakage'.

I did a quick look at the data published on the airport website. It looks like 2022 finished with 3.88m passenger emplaned vs. 4.23m in 2019. A decrease of 8% from 2019, but on pace to pass 2019 with a 22% increase from 2021. The interesting thing to look at is where the reductions and growth have come from 2019 to 2022:

AA: -10.9% (mainline and regionals)
DL: -22.8% (mainline and regionals)
WN: -15.3%
UA: -15.2% (mainline and regionals)
G4: -2.3%
F9: -58.0% (since ended service)

NK: +280,000 passengers (7.2% share)
MX: +48,000 passenger (1.2% share)

Both AA and UA mainline service had increases from 2019 to 2022 (+22% and +27%, respectively), but DL had a -18% reduction in mainline. I suppose this could be mainly explained by 717's vs. MD-88's and MD-90s.

LBBflyer · Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:45 pm

After taking a closer look, I realized I had some errors in my original data, so here's a couple notes as I can no longer edit the post.

AA had an overall reduction of 11.7%.

UA had a mainline increase of 750%, which is a function of going from mainline during Derby only to year-round for DEN.

Overall mainline increased by 3.0%, and regionals were down 12.8%.

upsmd11 · Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:39 pm

LBBflyer wrote:
My SDF wish-list in order of how likely they are to occur:
1) SDF-JFK on DL
2) SDF-SLC on DL (maybe SDF-PVU on MX?)
3) SDF-SEA on AS
4) SDF-PHX on AA

It does seem like MX has really cooled on SDF after the initial adds. I don't expect any additional MX service for quite a while. Also, what are the feeling on getting AA, DL, UA, or WN service back on SDF-LAX? NK seems to have taken a chokehold on both LAX and LAS for the time being, but there must still be a decent amount of travelers who will avoid NK.

I would love to see Delta add SDF - SLC. I think it seems more reasonable than SEA or LAX. Having a home in SDF and PSP it would make travel to PSP easier in the summer when DL shuts down PSP flights from ATL and MSP.

Bluegrass60 · Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:49 pm

Spirit resumes SDF-FLL and expands to daily SDF-LAX.

Nice additions!

Now let's get SEA, YYZ, RDU, STL, JFK and how about some more service from MX.

SDFguy · Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:57 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
Spirit resumes SDF-FLL and expands to daily SDF-LAX.

Nice additions!

Now let's get SEA, YYZ, RDU, STL, JFK and how about some more service from MX.

Great news! Wish we could get AA to LAX back though.

kwp302 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:42 am

DCA-SDF going to 4x daily (2 E175, 2 CRJ7) June - October

Also looks like WN LAS-SDF going to daily in July and PHX-SDF daily in September

ibthebigd · Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:59 am

Avelo dropped LEX.

Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

kwp302 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:00 am

NK has added some one-off routes for Derby

Thu, May 4
ATL – A320n
DFW – A320n
IAH – A319
ORD – A320n
EWR – A320

Bluegrass60 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:23 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
Spirit resumes SDF-FLL and expands to daily SDF-LAX.

Nice additions!

Now let's get SLC, SEA, YYZ, RDU, STL, JFK and how about some more service from MX.

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