Philadelphia Aviation - 2023

FlyingSicilian · Fri May 26, 2023 4:01 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
And in lovely Eastern Airlines news they are hosting yet another Flight Attendant Open House for the airport in June

https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/def ... bId=487480

Requirements to work as a Flight Attendant for Eastern:

Must be 21 years old
Must be within 2 hours of the PHL Airport
Must be authorized to work in the US
Must have a valid US passport

At this point I don't know how this airline is still alive and especially after seeing on the Eastern thread they are banned from the Atlantic Aviation area at the airport due to past due payments. We shall see how any of this turn's outs.

They run military and state department charters so they need F/As for that work too.

Bigant0408 · Fri May 26, 2023 6:05 pm

FlyingSicilian wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
And in lovely Eastern Airlines news they are hosting yet another Flight Attendant Open House for the airport in June

https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/def ... bId=487480

Requirements to work as a Flight Attendant for Eastern:

Must be 21 years old
Must be within 2 hours of the PHL Airport
Must be authorized to work in the US
Must have a valid US passport

At this point I don't know how this airline is still alive and especially after seeing on the Eastern thread they are banned from the Atlantic Aviation area at the airport due to past due payments. We shall see how any of this turn's outs.

They run military and state department charters so they need F/As for that work too.

That's true I do know they run operations a lot for those type of services. Just seems like the way they are promoting the open house seems like it would be for commercial service but as you mentioned could very well be for military and charter runs

Bigant0408 · Fri May 26, 2023 6:07 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
And in lovely Eastern Airlines news they are hosting yet another Flight Attendant Open House for the airport in June

https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/def ... bId=487480

Requirements to work as a Flight Attendant for Eastern:

Must be 21 years old
Must be within 2 hours of the PHL Airport
Must be authorized to work in the US
Must have a valid US passport

At this point I don't know how this airline is still alive and especially after seeing on the Eastern thread they are banned from the Atlantic Aviation area at the airport due to past due payments. We shall see how any of this turn's outs.

Are they simple hiring any flight attend just to run the charter operations? It feels like there is no intention of actually running passenger operations besides keeping the one monthly schedule flight

At this point it sure seems like it. It does seem like they are offering this open house for commercial service but who knows with this company.

aerace · Tue May 30, 2023 12:54 pm

Well well well, for once not a mention of PHL on schedule slashing for fall. Quite the win in my book.

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... operations

Zbogart757 · Tue May 30, 2023 1:52 pm

aerace wrote:
Well well well, for once not a mention of PHL on schedule slashing for fall. Quite the win in my book.

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... operations

I had the exact same thoughts when I read that this morning, definitely a win!

Bigant0408 · Wed May 31, 2023 8:23 pm

When I was at the airport two weeks ago for helping out, one of the managers for the program I'm in was telling me that for Spirit Airlines, some of there passengers have missed there flights when their aircraft is departing from A-East yet they have to check in at terminal D and of course walk all the way over to A. I've seen some of the tickets and it honestly can get confusing if you are not familiar with the airport. I know they have 4 gates now in E and that the aircraft parked at A are normally from international arrivals. I am curious to the reason they just depart from A instead of moving the aircraft back to E like Frontier does

phljjs · Wed May 31, 2023 8:47 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
When I was at the airport two weeks ago for helping out, one of the managers for the program I'm in was telling me that for Spirit Airlines, some of there passengers have missed there flights when their aircraft is departing from A-East yet they have to check in at terminal D and of course walk all the way over to A. I've seen some of the tickets and it honestly can get confusing if you are not familiar with the airport. I know they have 4 gates now in E and that the aircraft parked at A are normally from international arrivals. I am curious to the reason they just depart from A instead of moving the aircraft back to E like Frontier does

Money. It costs money to have a ground crew move the plane from A to E. They also need an escort from airport ops to make it happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the airport charged a fee for the movement as well.

Bigant0408 · Wed May 31, 2023 9:50 pm

phljjs wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
When I was at the airport two weeks ago for helping out, one of the managers for the program I'm in was telling me that for Spirit Airlines, some of there passengers have missed there flights when their aircraft is departing from A-East yet they have to check in at terminal D and of course walk all the way over to A. I've seen some of the tickets and it honestly can get confusing if you are not familiar with the airport. I know they have 4 gates now in E and that the aircraft parked at A are normally from international arrivals. I am curious to the reason they just depart from A instead of moving the aircraft back to E like Frontier does

Money. It costs money to have a ground crew move the plane from A to E. They also need an escort from airport ops to make it happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the airport charged a fee for the movement as well.

You probably right on that and makes sense. Since F9 has a focus City here they probably have no problem eating up the cost for having the aircraft moved back to E.

PHLspecial · Wed May 31, 2023 10:32 pm

phljjs wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
When I was at the airport two weeks ago for helping out, one of the managers for the program I'm in was telling me that for Spirit Airlines, some of there passengers have missed there flights when their aircraft is departing from A-East yet they have to check in at terminal D and of course walk all the way over to A. I've seen some of the tickets and it honestly can get confusing if you are not familiar with the airport. I know they have 4 gates now in E and that the aircraft parked at A are normally from international arrivals. I am curious to the reason they just depart from A instead of moving the aircraft back to E like Frontier does

Money. It costs money to have a ground crew move the plane from A to E. They also need an escort from airport ops to make it happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the airport charged a fee for the movement as well.

I'm not convinced its all money. Wouldn't they have to move bags from E to A for any plane departing terminal A? I suppose its cheaper to move bags than a plane.
Though I'm confused why would they keep a ground crew at A when most of the crew is located in terminal E.

My guess is for not moving the plane is turnout time and probably cost.

phljjs · Wed May 31, 2023 10:47 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
phljjs wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
When I was at the airport two weeks ago for helping out, one of the managers for the program I'm in was telling me that for Spirit Airlines, some of there passengers have missed there flights when their aircraft is departing from A-East yet they have to check in at terminal D and of course walk all the way over to A. I've seen some of the tickets and it honestly can get confusing if you are not familiar with the airport. I know they have 4 gates now in E and that the aircraft parked at A are normally from international arrivals. I am curious to the reason they just depart from A instead of moving the aircraft back to E like Frontier does

Money. It costs money to have a ground crew move the plane from A to E. They also need an escort from airport ops to make it happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the airport charged a fee for the movement as well.

I'm not convinced its all money. Wouldn't they have to move bags from E to A for any plane departing terminal A? I suppose its cheaper to move bags than a plane.
Though I'm confused why would they keep a ground crew at A when most of the crew is located in terminal E.

My guess is for not moving the plane is turnout time and probably cost.

Some of the time, but not always, the planes departing from A are RONs that arrived internationally the night before. That leaves plenty of time to move it to Terminal E. For example, a flight came in to A2 from SJU just after midnight, RON'd and was used for a 6AM departure to MCO from A2. Then a flight from Punta Cana came in this afternoon at 430PM, then turned to Oakland at 6pm, again to/from A2. I'll admit that one could be tight, but it's doable.

They're also not keeping a ground crew at A. The crew likely drives the bags over to A, loads the plane, pushes it out for departure, then goes back to E to work the flights from that Terminal.

PHLspecial · Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:23 pm

I notice that the Amerijet is not using the UPS ramp today. They are using building C2 is it possible they move their operations there?

PHLspecial · Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:47 pm

From JonNYC
AA: PHL-LIS doing very very well, big upgrade from that crappy 757 they used in the old days and nice improvement from the 787, using the 789 and it’s filled, even oversold, with regularity.
Obviously Portugal very strong for DL and UA as well, but this is definitely a standout

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1664 ... pUCdQ&s=19

Bigant0408 · Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:59 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
From JonNYC
AA: PHL-LIS doing very very well, big upgrade from that crappy 757 they used in the old days and nice improvement from the 787, using the 789 and it’s filled, even oversold, with regularity.
Obviously Portugal very strong for DL and UA as well, but this is definitely a standout

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1664 ... pUCdQ&s=19

Well that's great to hear. I remember pre covid the route was extended til the begging of January for a season I believe 2019.

flyboy7974 · Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:09 am

Bigant0408 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
From JonNYC
AA: PHL-LIS doing very very well, big upgrade from that crappy 757 they used in the old days and nice improvement from the 787, using the 789 and it’s filled, even oversold, with regularity.
Obviously Portugal very strong for DL and UA as well, but this is definitely a standout

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1664 ... pUCdQ&s=19

Well that's great to hear. I remember pre covid the route was extended til the begging of January for a season I believe 2019.

LIS/PRG were slated to run through the holiday season until beginning Jan but that never happened due to Covid.

TheFlyGuy · Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:34 pm

Looks like AA has quietly nixed their once daily nonstop flight between PHL and FWA. The flight no longer appears to be bookable.

Bigant0408 · Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:30 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
From JonNYC
AA: PHL-LIS doing very very well, big upgrade from that crappy 757 they used in the old days and nice improvement from the 787, using the 789 and it’s filled, even oversold, with regularity.
Obviously Portugal very strong for DL and UA as well, but this is definitely a standout

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1664 ... pUCdQ&s=19

Well that's great to hear. I remember pre covid the route was extended til the begging of January for a season I believe 2019.

LIS/PRG were slated to run through the holiday season until beginning Jan but that never happened due to Covid.

Got ya I couldn't remember the time frame

PHLspecial · Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:29 pm

Any updates on ConnectAir? I was plane spotting and notice the ConnectAir plane on the east parking pad still

Bigant0408 · Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:17 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Any updates on ConnectAir? I was plane spotting and notice the ConnectAir plane on the east parking pad still

The only thing I saw was that not too long ago they attend an event in Toronto called DoorsOpenTO in which they had a booth promoting the airline and offered a chance to win free round-trip tickets. As to when they could potentially start service, no clue

PHLspecial · Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:21 pm

Aerace mention on the British Airways thread:

Looks like BA canceled PHL from 6/10-6/20. Seems like capacity shifted over to AA since now those flights are practically maxed out.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1479897&start=400#p23827797

phatfarmlines · Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:04 pm

phljjs wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
phljjs wrote:

Money. It costs money to have a ground crew move the plane from A to E. They also need an escort from airport ops to make it happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the airport charged a fee for the movement as well.

I'm not convinced its all money. Wouldn't they have to move bags from E to A for any plane departing terminal A? I suppose its cheaper to move bags than a plane.
Though I'm confused why would they keep a ground crew at A when most of the crew is located in terminal E.

My guess is for not moving the plane is turnout time and probably cost.

Some of the time, but not always, the planes departing from A are RONs that arrived internationally the night before. That leaves plenty of time to move it to Terminal E. For example, a flight came in to A2 from SJU just after midnight, RON'd and was used for a 6AM departure to MCO from A2. Then a flight from Punta Cana came in this afternoon at 430PM, then turned to Oakland at 6pm, again to/from A2. I'll admit that one could be tight, but it's doable.

They're also not keeping a ground crew at A. The crew likely drives the bags over to A, loads the plane, pushes it out for departure, then goes back to E to work the flights from that Terminal.

That's a long walk for those NK pax from E to A. And on that note, is NK using the Terminal A domestic baggage facilities since the SJU arrival from above would not have to clear CBP?

Bigmanqor · Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:36 am

Anyone know of any routes or airlines to Philly that could possibly have a passenger 747 in the coming months? Been trying to catch one that’s not 35,000 feet in the air.

atcsundevil · Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:57 am

Bigmanqor wrote:
Anyone know of any routes or airlines to Philly that could possibly have a passenger 747 in the coming months? Been trying to catch one that’s not 35,000 feet in the air.

For a pax 747, you'll need to take a drive to IAD or JFK.

Bigant0408 · Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:01 pm

Bigmanqor wrote:
Anyone know of any routes or airlines to Philly that could possibly have a passenger 747 in the coming months? Been trying to catch one that’s not 35,000 feet in the air.

Unless a charter service is coming up soon, I doubt any 747s will be coming for passenger service. UPS 747s are your best bet thus far. I'd be shocked if LH brings back their 747 on this route.

LondonFed · Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:03 pm

Bigmanqor wrote:
Anyone know of any routes or airlines to Philly that could possibly have a passenger 747 in the coming months? Been trying to catch one that’s not 35,000 feet in the air.

Air Force One will be here on June 17th.

aerace · Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:43 pm

After seeing the news about the CLT/MIA Caribbean expansions, I just did a quick spot check for AA @ PHL for holidays. Not a ton different than last year, but some notes:

- SJU/PUJ/MBJ get back 2x on certain days since they were only running 1x. F9 and NK really have put pressure on these routes.
- NAS/AUA go 2x on Sat.
- GCM/SXM//UFV return to Sat departures while some markets like PLS/STT run daily through the holiday.
- Surprised SDQ still isn't back yet with the local Dominican population. It's gone from CLT too so maybe AA is just moving on.

Also SLC comes back for holiday ski season.

Bigant0408 · Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:13 pm

aerace wrote:
After seeing the news about the CLT/MIA Caribbean expansions, I just did a quick spot check for AA @ PHL for holidays. Not a ton different than last year, but some notes:

- SJU/PUJ/MBJ get back 2x on certain days since they were only running 1x. F9 and NK really have put pressure on these routes.
- NAS/AUA go 2x on Sat.
- GCM/SXM//UFV return to Sat departures while some markets like PLS/STT run daily through the holiday.
- Surprised SDQ still isn't back yet with the local Dominican population. It's gone from CLT too so maybe AA is just moving on.

Also SLC comes back for holiday ski season.

Thanks for sharing this info. For the first topic I do agree F9 and NK have really put pressure and IMO taken market share away from AA for those specific routes. For SDQ I am surprised myself as the dominican diaspora is fairly large. I know Arajet initially has plans to start service to the airport after they begin service to the higher density US cities so I wouldn't be surprised if they start service before or if AA even comes back

Bigant0408 · Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:26 pm

Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

PHLspecial · Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:37 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

Wow that's shocking, I remember before the pandemic United trimmed the flight only to once daily from 3x daily. Or something similar to that.

Glad to see AA and UA are adding more frequency to SFO. I'm guessing NK OAK is doing pretty well?

usairways85 · Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:06 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

Wow that's shocking, I remember before the pandemic United trimmed the flight only to once daily from 3x daily. Or something similar to that.

Glad to see AA and UA are adding more frequency to SFO. I'm guessing NK OAK is doing pretty well?

This is great to see.

It went from 2x to ~10 weekly for a bit and down to 1x since coming back. I don't think it's been 3x for a long while. It was a very difficult upgrade 10 years ago even as a 1K.

Bigant0408 · Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:15 pm

usairways85 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

Wow that's shocking, I remember before the pandemic United trimmed the flight only to once daily from 3x daily. Or something similar to that.

Glad to see AA and UA are adding more frequency to SFO. I'm guessing NK OAK is doing pretty well?

This is great to see.

It went from 2x to ~10 weekly for a bit and down to 1x since coming back. I don't think it's been 3x for a long while. It was a very difficult upgrade 10 years ago even as a 1K.

Yea I am surprised myself as United has been stagnant overall with service overall. Hope the schedule stays in tact

Bigant0408 · Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:24 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

Wow that's shocking, I remember before the pandemic United trimmed the flight only to once daily from 3x daily. Or something similar to that.

Glad to see AA and UA are adding more frequency to SFO. I'm guessing NK OAK is doing pretty well?

I think the NK is doing well enough. Just from a load factor standpoint flights have been nearly full when I have done dummy bookings. Plus the flight times are favorable as well

aerace · Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:56 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

Wow that's shocking, I remember before the pandemic United trimmed the flight only to once daily from 3x daily. Or something similar to that.

Glad to see AA and UA are adding more frequency to SFO. I'm guessing NK OAK is doing pretty well?

I think the NK is doing well enough. Just from a load factor standpoint flights have been nearly full when I have done dummy bookings. Plus the flight times are favorable as well

It appears that this is in response to AA scaling back from 3x to 2x from 10/30 onward so UA is in essence taking over that 6pm departure. Crazy that SFO used to support a WB from PHL--can't see that ever returning with the state of SF.

jetsetter629 · Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:09 pm

Is QR dropping QSuite service to PHL once service changes over to the A359 in winter season? I booked flights and the seat map showed the old configuration

Bigant0408 · Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:39 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bias answer here but PHL can support a east Asian or South East Asia route

I have noticed the Connect Air plane parked on the East side of the field. What's going on with them?

Here's an update about Connect Airlines. They are basically still waiting on final FAA approval to start service and they are currently petitioning of a dormancy waiver

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0046-0050

PHLspecial · Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:13 pm

jetsetter629 wrote:
Is QR dropping QSuite service to PHL once service changes over to the A359 in winter season? I booked flights and the seat map showed the old configuration

Really? I thought QR refitted all the A359 with QSuites? I believed last year they had QSuites.
It's surprising because from what I see on the wiki, QR does well here.

PHLspecial · Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:17 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Bias answer here but PHL can support a east Asian or South East Asia route

I have noticed the Connect Air plane parked on the East side of the field. What's going on with them?

Here's an update about Connect Airlines. They are basically still waiting on final FAA approval to start service and they are currently petitioning of a dormancy waiver

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0046-0050

Hopefully the FAA will approve of them soon. Would love to see a new airline start service to PHL. Hopefully the Toronto prices will be lower because of this airline. I kinda hope they will start flights to Montreal too, but one step at a time.

jetsetter629 · Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:49 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
jetsetter629 wrote:
Is QR dropping QSuite service to PHL once service changes over to the A359 in winter season? I booked flights and the seat map showed the old configuration

Really? I thought QR refitted all the A359 with QSuites? I believed last year they had QSuites.
It's surprising because from what I see on the wiki, QR does well here.

Believe it or not only 13 of 33 have QSuites (as of April) but all A351 were delivered with them. Assumed it was a priority on every North America route

https://onemileatatime.com/guides/qatar ... ve_qsuites

Ericresnick · Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:57 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

Good news, Would also be nice if they brought back LAX.

Bigant0408 · Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:32 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Bias answer here but PHL can support a east Asian or South East Asia route

I have noticed the Connect Air plane parked on the East side of the field. What's going on with them?

Here's an update about Connect Airlines. They are basically still waiting on final FAA approval to start service and they are currently petitioning of a dormancy waiver

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0046-0050

Hopefully the FAA will approve of them soon. Would love to see a new airline start service to PHL. Hopefully the Toronto prices will be lower because of this airline. I kinda hope they will start flights to Montreal too, but one step at a time.

I hope so too. With so little news I'm just glad they haven't dissolved yet and it's just an unfortunately delay in FAA ruling

Bigant0408 · Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:33 pm

Ericresnick wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Starting in the Fall season United will fly 2x daily to/from SFO with an evening flight departure flight. I know flight options to the Bay area are limited so it's good to see United offering more flight options

Good news, Would also be nice if they brought back LAX.

Yea though would be nice to even though I think the delta LAX route would return before UA. But we have seen crazier things occur

phllax · Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:04 pm

Both UA SFO flights will be on Max 8's, which means United Next cabins including screens and power at all seats, not to mention multiple BOB options.

PHLspecial · Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:12 pm

phllax wrote:
Both UA SFO flights will be on Max 8's, which means United Next cabins including screens and power at all seats, not to mention multiple BOB options.

For the larger flights, the IFE is nice and the BOB option is good if you didn't have time to get food at the airport.

usairways85 · Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:49 pm

Unfortunately PHL-SFO is still down quite a bit from pre-covid levels despite an increase in Silicon Valley VC funding into the area. Q4 22 vs Q4 19 is down 32% in O&D paxs

Compared with...BOS (-10%), EWR (-24%), ORD (-15%), IAD (-7%), DCA (-8%), BWI (-27%), ATL (-7%)
And many of these airports have more than double the O&D paxs to SFO

PHLspecial · Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:38 pm

Do we expect business travel to ever recover? VC money does not mean more business travelers now and days. IMO VC money is for all the people with business jets not regular people.
Philadelphia is doing great in terms of job growth for the Northeast. But that does not really translate into more business travelers.
I expect leisure travel to be the main growth of PHL airport for a long time to come, so I appreciate any type of increase in service. It's a shame that PHL does not have a larger pull in terms of O&D

aerace · Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:15 pm

BA67 is on its way back after a 10-day hiatus. Hopefully not to happen again through summer.

Bigant0408 · Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:27 pm

Did some random dummy bookings for Sun Country and at least for July there are some select days they will have two daily roundtrip flights

July 2nd
July 17th
July 21st

Not sure what the occasion or reason would be but it seems like SY has been doing well on the route

aerace · Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:59 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Do we expect business travel to ever recover? VC money does not mean more business travelers now and days. IMO VC money is for all the people with business jets not regular people.
Philadelphia is doing great in terms of job growth for the Northeast. But that does not really translate into more business travelers.
I expect leisure travel to be the main growth of PHL airport for a long time to come, so I appreciate any type of increase in service. It's a shame that PHL does not have a larger pull in terms of O&D

The silence is deafening to say the least. Yes I am happy for year-round LIS/BCN and summer PDX but these have been here before. We continue to watch other airports nearby gain new destinations/frequencies while PHL's limbo continues. FI extends RDU and DTW--no resumption to PHL. TK adds DEN and DTW--no PHL. Copa adds BWI and AUS--no PHL. Hell, even CLT has nonstop on Volaris to GDL (why, I have no idea). I am not sure what it's going to take to better assert our positioning as an upper-tier metro--we have the eds and meds, the arts, the food, the commerce, the facilities. It's just par for the course that others continue to rise while PHL remains stuck. Something's gotta give, and soon.

usairways85 · Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:21 pm

aerace wrote:
BA67 is on its way back after a 10-day hiatus. Hopefully not to happen again through summer.

It is still crazy that AA/BA aren't 4x daily on PHL-LHR at least through the summer and only 2x in the winter. I suspect it's the connection routings that AA has slashed through PHL

Bigant0408 · Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:44 pm

aerace wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Do we expect business travel to ever recover? VC money does not mean more business travelers now and days. IMO VC money is for all the people with business jets not regular people.
Philadelphia is doing great in terms of job growth for the Northeast. But that does not really translate into more business travelers.
I expect leisure travel to be the main growth of PHL airport for a long time to come, so I appreciate any type of increase in service. It's a shame that PHL does not have a larger pull in terms of O&D

The silence is deafening to say the least. Yes I am happy for year-round LIS/BCN and summer PDX but these have been here before. We continue to watch other airports nearby gain new destinations/frequencies while PHL's limbo continues. FI extends RDU and DTW--no resumption to PHL. TK adds DEN and DTW--no PHL. Copa adds BWI and AUS--no PHL. Hell, even CLT has nonstop on Volaris to GDL (why, I have no idea). I am not sure what it's going to take to better assert our positioning as an upper-tier metro--we have the eds and meds, the arts, the food, the commerce, the facilities. It's just par for the course that others continue to rise while PHL remains stuck. Something's gotta give, and soon.

I couldn't agree more on this. I feel the same way it seems like every other airport is getting brand new services or new routes while PHL continues to be stagnant to a certain degree. For the past two years here are the following new airlines and routes the airport has gained

Contour: New airline plus 3 new routes
Spirit added new destinations to Oakland and Aguadilla (route removed)
LH swapped service to Eurowings Discover on a temporary basis

So even though these additions are great, needless to say, this is underwhelming. And of course there are airlines wanting or mentioning they want to start service at the airport such as Connect Air, Arajet, Eastern Airlines and startup AviaRoma. Connect Air is the only hopeful guarantee. Overall hopefully something does give

PHLspecial · Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:04 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
aerace wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Do we expect business travel to ever recover? VC money does not mean more business travelers now and days. IMO VC money is for all the people with business jets not regular people.
Philadelphia is doing great in terms of job growth for the Northeast. But that does not really translate into more business travelers.
I expect leisure travel to be the main growth of PHL airport for a long time to come, so I appreciate any type of increase in service. It's a shame that PHL does not have a larger pull in terms of O&D

The silence is deafening to say the least. Yes I am happy for year-round LIS/BCN and summer PDX but these have been here before. We continue to watch other airports nearby gain new destinations/frequencies while PHL's limbo continues. FI extends RDU and DTW--no resumption to PHL. TK adds DEN and DTW--no PHL. Copa adds BWI and AUS--no PHL. Hell, even CLT has nonstop on Volaris to GDL (why, I have no idea). I am not sure what it's going to take to better assert our positioning as an upper-tier metro--we have the eds and meds, the arts, the food, the commerce, the facilities. It's just par for the course that others continue to rise while PHL remains stuck. Something's gotta give, and soon.

I couldn't agree more on this. I feel the same way it seems like every other airport is getting brand new services or new routes while PHL continues to be stagnant to a certain degree. For the past two years here are the following new airlines and routes the airport has gained

Contour: New airline plus 3 new routes
Spirit added new destinations to Oakland and Aguadilla (route removed)
LH swapped service to Eurowings Discover on a temporary basis

So even though these additions are great, needless to say, this is underwhelming. And of course there are airlines wanting or mentioning they want to start service at the airport such as Connect Air, Arajet, Eastern Airlines and startup AviaRoma. Connect Air is the only hopeful guarantee. Overall hopefully something does give

I am missing something? According to the census Philadelphia has lost well over 35,000 people in the last two years. Yet I feel like the city is busier than ever with lots of events and conventions going on. Every city has a crime problem. Even with the crime problem, I see lots of housing. offices, and labs/warehousing being built in the Philadelphia region and especially in the city.

Is PHL lacking space or some other resource? I get that PHL is not the best airport but it's solid for what it is. They have incentive packages yet no new airline has really taken a bite at it.

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