Full 2022 numbers for BLV

They set a new record with 323,743 passengers

For they year they were up 1.55% over 2021
December was up 1.75%

December loads
PGD 89.5%
AZA 89.5%
SFB 88.5%
PIE 88.5%
LAS 84.5%
VPS 83.5%
SRQ 77%

Loads for full year 2022
St Petersburg/Tampa FL (PIE) 89.26%
Punta Gorda FL (PGD) 88.96%
Orlando/Sanford FL (SFB) 86.74%
Destin/FWB FL (VPS) 84.57%
Myrtle Beach SC (MYR) 84.02%
Jacksonville FL (JAX) 82.34%
Las Vegas NV (LAS) 81.14%
Sarasota FL (SRQ) 80.03%
Pheonix/Mesa AZ (AZA) 77.19%
Fort Lauderdale FL (FLL) 72.61%
Savannah GA (SAV) 71.46%
Charleston SC (CHS) 60.26%

BLV stuff

I hadn't seen this.

MidAmerica Airport adopts incentive program to encourage new destination additions

https://www.ibjonline.com/2023/02/11/mi ... additions/

Also
The current PFC is $3.00 per revenue passenger

6. AIP / Terminal Modifications /
Pre-Construction Services
The Airport has been coordinating with Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
regarding improvements to the existing CBP General Aviation Facility (GAF) and a
new Federal Inspection Station (FIS) to be incorporated into Phase 4 of the terminal
construction. This effort is the subject of a recent FAA Airport Terminal Program
(ATP) grant application.


https://flymidamerica.com/wp-content/up ... -19-23.pdf

Just from personal knowledge the new FIS will be going in to the west of the current terminal building. They will not be connected to start but could be connected later. They are trying to get it going quickly and it is quicker to build it stand alone.

Jshank83 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

stlgph wrote:

5 daily to Nashville.
wowzers on that one.

Connections for sure. I get BNA as a destination, but there are a ton of flights that I have to connect from BNA when traveling from the East.

Plus they connect thru here also so there are connections on both ends.

Getting up now 1 away from that 130 flight a day mark really helps feed connections and just fuels growth. I am hopeful we start seeing new destinations pop up again now that we have most of our frequency back from precovid

Took interest in that and pulled this from DB1B:

Passenger Segment Profile on WN STL-BNA (Q3 2022)
Full Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FL3eu-hi8-rp0HHD6vbh4WVM90IM8492VxJ4CnY-wG8/edit?usp=sharing
Top O&D Markets Flying WN BNA-STL Segment:
DEST ORIGIN PDEW
BNA STL 128.4 (LOCAL)
BNA OMA 19.5
SAV STL 14.6
MYR STL 13.4
ORF STL 12.9
BNA DSM 12.1
BNA ICT 11.3
RSW STL 11.0
CHS STL 11.0
RDU STL 10.3
VPS STL 8.7
MIA STL 7.1
ATL STL 6.9
PNS STL 6.5
ECP STL 6.2
TPA STL 6.0
BNA DTW 5.8
SRQ STL 5.2
BNA TUL 4.9
BNA OKC 4.4
PHL STL 4.3
BNA SMF 4.1
BWI STL 4.1

Also, bonus: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Largest WN flow markets through STL in Q3 2022

4,230 PDEW on average conncect through STL on WN daily.

SumChristianus wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

Connections for sure. I get BNA as a destination, but there are a ton of flights that I have to connect from BNA when traveling from the East.

Plus they connect thru here also so there are connections on both ends.

Getting up now 1 away from that 130 flight a day mark really helps feed connections and just fuels growth. I am hopeful we start seeing new destinations pop up again now that we have most of our frequency back from precovid

Took interest in that and pulled this from DB1B:

Passenger Segment Profile on WN STL-BNA (Q3 2022)
Full Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FL3eu-hi8-rp0HHD6vbh4WVM90IM8492VxJ4CnY-wG8/edit?usp=sharing
Top O&D Markets Flying WN BNA-STL Segment:
DEST ORIGIN PDEW
BNA STL 128.4 (LOCAL)
BNA OMA 19.5
SAV STL 14.6
MYR STL 13.4
ORF STL 12.9
BNA DSM 12.1
BNA ICT 11.3
RSW STL 11.0
CHS STL 11.0
RDU STL 10.3
VPS STL 8.7
MIA STL 7.1
ATL STL 6.9
PNS STL 6.5
ECP STL 6.2
TPA STL 6.0
BNA DTW 5.8
SRQ STL 5.2
BNA TUL 4.9
BNA OKC 4.4
PHL STL 4.3
BNA SMF 4.1
BWI STL 4.1

I would guess that there’s a fair amount of seasonal and/or directional variation on this. For instance, I did BNA-TUL almost weekly last summer. There was a one-stop TUL-STL-BNA that left TUL at about 1700 and always had 20+ thrus. That may be what’s going on with BNA-OMA in these data.

Cubsrule wrote:

SumChristianus wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Plus they connect thru here also so there are connections on both ends.

Getting up now 1 away from that 130 flight a day mark really helps feed connections and just fuels growth. I am hopeful we start seeing new destinations pop up again now that we have most of our frequency back from precovid

Took interest in that and pulled this from DB1B:

Passenger Segment Profile on WN STL-BNA (Q3 2022)
Full Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FL3eu-hi8-rp0HHD6vbh4WVM90IM8492VxJ4CnY-wG8/edit?usp=sharing
Top O&D Markets Flying WN BNA-STL Segment:
DEST ORIGIN PDEW
BNA STL 128.4 (LOCAL)
BNA OMA 19.5
SAV STL 14.6
MYR STL 13.4
ORF STL 12.9
BNA DSM 12.1
BNA ICT 11.3
RSW STL 11.0
CHS STL 11.0
RDU STL 10.3
VPS STL 8.7
MIA STL 7.1
ATL STL 6.9
PNS STL 6.5
ECP STL 6.2
TPA STL 6.0
BNA DTW 5.8
SRQ STL 5.2
BNA TUL 4.9
BNA OKC 4.4
PHL STL 4.3
BNA SMF 4.1
BWI STL 4.1

I would guess that there’s a fair amount of seasonal and/or directional variation on this. For instance, I did BNA-TUL almost weekly last summer. There was a one-stop TUL-STL-BNA that left TUL at about 1700 and always had 20+ thrus. That may be what’s going on with BNA-OMA in these data.

Yep, that's probably it. I can only do one quarter at a time, but it does seem like there's far greater variance by month and variance by direction for WN than for the legacies. The biggest flows probably are those on which WN schedules a through flight.

Jshank83 wrote:

BLV stuff

I hadn't seen this.

MidAmerica Airport adopts incentive program to encourage new destination additions

https://www.ibjonline.com/2023/02/11/mi ... additions/

Also
The current PFC is $3.00 per revenue passenger

6. AIP / Terminal Modifications /
Pre-Construction Services
The Airport has been coordinating with Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
regarding improvements to the existing CBP General Aviation Facility (GAF) and a
new Federal Inspection Station (FIS) to be incorporated into Phase 4 of the terminal
construction. This effort is the subject of a recent FAA Airport Terminal Program
(ATP) grant application.


https://flymidamerica.com/wp-content/up ... -19-23.pdf

Just from personal knowledge the new FIS will be going in to the west of the current terminal building. They will not be connected to start but could be connected later. They are trying to get it going quickly and it is quicker to build it stand alone.

This should have said east of the current building for the FIS.

SumChristianus wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

Connections for sure. I get BNA as a destination, but there are a ton of flights that I have to connect from BNA when traveling from the East.

Plus they connect thru here also so there are connections on both ends.

Getting up now 1 away from that 130 flight a day mark really helps feed connections and just fuels growth. I am hopeful we start seeing new destinations pop up again now that we have most of our frequency back from precovid

Took interest in that and pulled this from DB1B:

Passenger Segment Profile on WN STL-BNA (Q3 2022)
Full Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FL3eu-hi8-rp0HHD6vbh4WVM90IM8492VxJ4CnY-wG8/edit?usp=sharing
Top O&D Markets Flying WN BNA-STL Segment:
DEST ORIGIN PDEW
BNA STL 128.4 (LOCAL)
BNA OMA 19.5
SAV STL 14.6
MYR STL 13.4
ORF STL 12.9
BNA DSM 12.1
BNA ICT 11.3
RSW STL 11.0
CHS STL 11.0
RDU STL 10.3
VPS STL 8.7
MIA STL 7.1
ATL STL 6.9
PNS STL 6.5
ECP STL 6.2
TPA STL 6.0
BNA DTW 5.8
SRQ STL 5.2
BNA TUL 4.9
BNA OKC 4.4
PHL STL 4.3
BNA SMF 4.1
BWI STL 4.1

Interesting stuff thanks for posting.

It would be interesting to know F9's load factors on the Mon-Wed-Sat DEN flights. A321 departing at various times depending on the day between 10:30pm and 11:09pm. I'm guessing these flights are more for repositioning than filling seats.

pmanni1 wrote:

It would be interesting to know F9's load factors on the Mon-Wed-Sat DEN flights. A321 departing at various times depending on the day between 10:30pm and 11:09pm. I'm guessing these flights are more for repositioning than filling seats.

Might be a continuation of the flight coming from CUN.

Jshank83 wrote:

pmanni1 wrote:

It would be interesting to know F9's load factors on the Mon-Wed-Sat DEN flights. A321 departing at various times depending on the day between 10:30pm and 11:09pm. I'm guessing these flights are more for repositioning than filling seats.

Might be a continuation of the flight coming from CUN.

CUN flights get in around 6:30pm. Looks like it's from either LAS or DEN and arrives around 9:30 or 10:00 depending on the day. Strange that it would go back out again.

pmanni1 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

pmanni1 wrote:

It would be interesting to know F9's load factors on the Mon-Wed-Sat DEN flights. A321 departing at various times depending on the day between 10:30pm and 11:09pm. I'm guessing these flights are more for repositioning than filling seats.

Might be a continuation of the flight coming from CUN.

CUN flights get in around 6:30pm. Looks like it's from either LAS or DEN and arrives around 9:30 or 10:00 depending on the day. Strange that it would go back out again.

LAS has a late departure also.

Saturday

Arrivals
TPA 7:55 A320
MCO 9:25 A321
----big break--
CUN 18:38 A321
PUJ 19:21 A320
LAS 21:09 A320
DEN 21:32 A321


Departures
PUJ 9:00 A320
CUN 10:45 A321
---big break---
MCO 20:23 A321
TPA 21:06 A320
LAS 21:54 A320
DEN 22:27 A321

So it looks like planes fly

MCO-STL-CUN-STL-MCO
TPA-STL-PUJ-STL-TPA
DEN-STL-DEN
LAS-STL-LAS

MSP flight start date pushed up, as well as some inconsistent flights here and there in March and April

The ANC talk in the WN thread got me thinking. PHX-HNL is basically the same distance as STL-ANC (19 miles different), so if they were ever to start ANC, STL could be in play. I doubt it would be an early station, I assume they start with western ones. It wasn't something I had even thought much about but I found it interesting.

That'd be a lovely addition, for sure, but we all if it happens - Denver will get that love.
With all their aircraft Sun Country is getting added to their fleet - you have to wonder if they would ever do say seasonal twice weekly summer seasonal service to some select cities.

stlgph wrote:

That'd be a lovely addition, for sure, but we all if it happens - Denver will get that love.
With all their aircraft Sun Country is getting added to their fleet - you have to wonder if they would ever do say seasonal twice weekly summer seasonal service to some select cities.

I agree on DEN.

Just spitballing.

Rough order I think we would see it added

DEN
OAK and/or SJC
SEA - I feel like they would have to run it but SEA has 26 flights a day to ANC in summer.
LAS
MDW (I assume it can get out of MDW for a flight that long, but not sure)
LAX
PHX
SAN
_________
Then we get into (UA runs EWR-ANC on a MAX8 but it has less seats than WN so I don't know the range in WN setup but I would assume the MAX7 can make the ones below that are further than STL)
HOU
STL
AUS
BNA
PDX
BOI
BWI

Probably could move a couple around but that's kind of my rough outline. Not that any of this even matters if they don't add ANC.

Jshank83 wrote:

The ANC talk in the WN thread got me thinking. PHX-HNL is basically the same distance as STL-ANC (19 miles different), so if they were ever to start ANC, STL could be in play. I doubt it would be an early station, I assume they start with western ones. It wasn't something I had even thought much about but I found it interesting.

TW flew STL-ANC but used the 757 for it. Loved that flight and would LOVE for WN or AS to add it back.

United pulling out of SPI June 2

Jshank83 wrote:

United pulling out of SPI June 2

I would imagine AA jumping on that ORD route.

TWA302 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

United pulling out of SPI June 2

I would imagine AA jumping on that ORD route.

They already announced they are moving SPI-DFW to SPI-ORD a couple months ago

February STL numbers are up.

Passengers
Up 22.5% vs FEB22
Up 24.2% vs YTD 2022

Down 10.7% vs FEB19
Down 11.5% vs YTD 2019

Passengers last 12 months: 14,038,119 - great to be back over 14 mil

I am surprised that WN hasn't resumed daily nonstop service to PDX from STL with the lack of daily STL-PDX nonstop service being one of the biggest holes in both markets.

The PDEW of STL was 104 passengers/day in Q3 2022, and there is more than enough demand for daily nonstop service to PDX from STL on WN with the amount of O&D demand that is there to PDX from STL along with the amount of connecting traffic that would be there onto WN STL-PDX from some destinations east of the Mississippi River.

WN will be resuming PDX-STL nonstop service on a Saturday-only basis starting on 6/3/2023 through 9/2/2023, and then WN PDX-STL nonstop service goes to Sunday-only from 9/10/2023 through 10/1/2023. WN STL-PDX nonstop service completely drops off after 10/1/2023.

For June AA added the 2nd daily to PHX back in. Swapped an RJ to a mainline for ORD. PHL is both mainline now.

Is STL to JAX nonstop only running weekends now? I thought it was daily.

SweetAction wrote:

Is STL to JAX nonstop only running weekends now? I thought it was daily.

Couldn't handle the Allegiant competition

stl07 wrote:

SweetAction wrote:

Is STL to JAX nonstop only running weekends now? I thought it was daily.

Couldn't handle the Allegiant competition

It goes back to 1 daily and 2x on Sat in June.

pmanni1 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

SweetAction wrote:

Is STL to JAX nonstop only running weekends now? I thought it was daily.

Couldn't handle the Allegiant competition

It goes back to 1 daily and 2x on Sat in June.

Thanks for the info!

Jshank83 wrote:

For June AA added the 2nd daily to PHX back in. Swapped an RJ to a mainline for ORD. PHL is both mainline now.

Added more frequency for ORD in July/August also

UA over here is going to force me to quit hating on them after putting 9 mainline in Sept (if it holds).... well no SFO so I can still hate them some

Sept schedule

DEN 4x all mainline
EWR 3x - 2x mainline 1xRJ
IAH 3x - 2x mainline 1xRJ
ORD - 6x - 1x mainline 5xRJ
IAD - 2x CRJ550

Jshank83 wrote:

UA over here is going to force me to quit hating on them after putting 9 mainline in Sept (if it holds).... well no SFO so I can still hate them some

Sept schedule

DEN 4x all mainline
EWR 3x - 2x mainline 1xRJ
IAH 3x - 2x mainline 1xRJ
ORD - 6x - 1x mainline 5xRJ
IAD - 2x CRJ550

I am TRYING to slowly convert you to the Rhapsody in Blue Side.... Hahaha

So, we had 6 EWR-STL, while not entirely slot controlled for Newark..where did those other 3 go then?

I would like to see one more mainline ORD-STL but happy to see something on that route!

DEN and IAH really needed the mainline lift, glad to see it.

I predict SFO returns in 2024, and no I genuinely don't have inside info on that, but with the extra mainline deliveries and lift United will see in 2023, I could see SFO coming back in 2024.

Still though...only 18 daily total? Ouch...

Alex

18? That's so atrocious given an international partner in their alliance being there.

reednavy wrote:

18? That's so atrocious given an international partner in their alliance being there.

But every airport UA serves out of STL already has nonstop flights to FRA on both UA and LH. Plus it's not a good connection experience since they're in different terminals. Not to mention every hub except DEN and IAH would require back-tracking. Can't imagine too many people are chomping at the bit to fly IAD-STL-FRA.

Could the schedule be incomplete(?)....only 2x 550 seems.....off.

Jshank83 wrote:

UA over here is going to force me to quit hating on them after putting 9 mainline in Sept (if it holds).... well no SFO so I can still hate them some

Sept schedule

DEN 4x all mainline
EWR 3x - 2x mainline 1xRJ
IAH 3x - 2x mainline 1xRJ
ORD - 6x - 1x mainline 5xRJ
IAD - 2x CRJ550

UA has made pretty good gains from a product / schedule wise post-COVID.

They've maintained ORD much better than AA has, which is a huge + in my book.

I had swore them off pre-covid, and now am Prem Plat

For Fiscal year ending 6/30/2022

Cost per enplaned passenger
$7.92 (down 16.2% from 2019)

Landing fees
$5.43 (down 17.9% from 2019)

Both are the lowest they have been in a long time (I assume AA hub days). Good to see those going down. Should help convince WN to connect more people through here.

April Frequencies

Flights per week
2023 (2022) 2019
WN 731 (630) 807
AA 202 (234) 246
DL 151 (142) 196
UA 147 (127) 201
F9 39 (31) 38
G4 23 (24) 20
AS 14 (7) 21
NK 11 (42) XX
AC 7 (0) 20

Total STL 1397 (1322) 1700

Seats on Monday
2023 seats (vs 2022) vs 2020
AA 3815 (0.77%) -8.38%
DL 2624 (4.04%) -19.06%
UA 1332 (0.45%) -24.23%

Notes:
Still a bit to go but everyone is over last years numbers except NK.
Burlington switches from Cape Air to Southern Air
WN - OAK/CHS are back. 100 flight a week bump from last year.
G4 - SAV is back
SY - MSP is back sporadically this month, regularly in May

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Jshank83 wrote:

April Frequencies

Flights per week
2023 (2022) 2019
WN 731 (630) 807
AA 202 (234) 246
DL 151 (142) 196
UA 147 (127) 201
F9 39 (31) 38
G4 23 (24) 20
AS 14 (7) 21
NK 11 (42) XX
AC 7 (0) 20

Total STL 1397 (1322) 1700

Seats on Monday
2023 seats (vs 2022) vs 2020
AA 3815 (0.77%) -8.38%
DL 2624 (4.04%) -19.06%
UA 1332 (0.45%) -24.23%

Notes:
Still a bit to go but everyone is over last years numbers except NK.
Burlington switches from Cape Air to Southern Air
WN - OAK/CHS are back. 100 flight a week bump from last year.
G4 - SAV is back
SY - MSP is back sporadically this month, regularly in May

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Are you putting BLV's G4 flights as STL's stats?

pmanni1 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

April Frequencies

Flights per week
2023 (2022) 2019
WN 731 (630) 807
AA 202 (234) 246
DL 151 (142) 196
UA 147 (127) 201
F9 39 (31) 38
G4 23 (24) 20
AS 14 (7) 21
NK 11 (42) XX
AC 7 (0) 20

Total STL 1397 (1322) 1700

Seats on Monday
2023 seats (vs 2022) vs 2020
AA 3815 (0.77%) -8.38%
DL 2624 (4.04%) -19.06%
UA 1332 (0.45%) -24.23%

Notes:
Still a bit to go but everyone is over last years numbers except NK.
Burlington switches from Cape Air to Southern Air
WN - OAK/CHS are back. 100 flight a week bump from last year.
G4 - SAV is back
SY - MSP is back sporadically this month, regularly in May

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Are you putting BLV's G4 flights as STL's stats?

No they aren't included in the STL total I list on this since you can figure it out just by looking at G4. In the spreadsheet I have them separate and added.

Jshank83 wrote:

April Frequencies

Flights per week
2023 (2022) 2019
WN 731 (630) 807
AA 202 (234) 246
DL 151 (142) 196
UA 147 (127) 201
F9 39 (31) 38
G4 23 (24) 20
AS 14 (7) 21
NK 11 (42) XX
AC 7 (0) 20

Total STL 1397 (1322) 1700

Seats on Monday
2023 seats (vs 2022) vs 2020
AA 3815 (0.77%) -8.38%
DL 2624 (4.04%) -19.06%
UA 1332 (0.45%) -24.23%

Notes:
Still a bit to go but everyone is over last years numbers except NK.
Burlington switches from Cape Air to Southern Air
WN - OAK/CHS are back. 100 flight a week bump from last year.
G4 - SAV is back
SY - MSP is back sporadically this month, regularly in May

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

One other note I forgot to mention. AA starts mainline to DCA. Now only routes with no mainline are AUS/BOS

Jshank83 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

April Frequencies

Flights per week
2023 (2022) 2019
WN 731 (630) 807
AA 202 (234) 246
DL 151 (142) 196
UA 147 (127) 201
F9 39 (31) 38
G4 23 (24) 20
AS 14 (7) 21
NK 11 (42) XX
AC 7 (0) 20

Total STL 1397 (1322) 1700

Seats on Monday
2023 seats (vs 2022) vs 2020
AA 3815 (0.77%) -8.38%
DL 2624 (4.04%) -19.06%
UA 1332 (0.45%) -24.23%

Notes:
Still a bit to go but everyone is over last years numbers except NK.
Burlington switches from Cape Air to Southern Air
WN - OAK/CHS are back. 100 flight a week bump from last year.
G4 - SAV is back
SY - MSP is back sporadically this month, regularly in May

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

One other note I forgot to mention. AA starts mainline to DCA. Now only routes with no mainline are AUS/BOS

I'm curious if DCA going mainline is a reduction in frequency? The FAA has asked airlines (aimed at AA) to reduce slots (voluntarily) at DCA this summer.

I also don't fly AA, but wow the change from the 175 to the 319 is a reduction in F seats. I'd hate being an elite on AA with that A319 configuration.I thought Delta's 12 seats was bad.

dcaproducer wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

April Frequencies

Flights per week
2023 (2022) 2019
WN 731 (630) 807
AA 202 (234) 246
DL 151 (142) 196
UA 147 (127) 201
F9 39 (31) 38
G4 23 (24) 20
AS 14 (7) 21
NK 11 (42) XX
AC 7 (0) 20

Total STL 1397 (1322) 1700

Seats on Monday
2023 seats (vs 2022) vs 2020
AA 3815 (0.77%) -8.38%
DL 2624 (4.04%) -19.06%
UA 1332 (0.45%) -24.23%

Notes:
Still a bit to go but everyone is over last years numbers except NK.
Burlington switches from Cape Air to Southern Air
WN - OAK/CHS are back. 100 flight a week bump from last year.
G4 - SAV is back
SY - MSP is back sporadically this month, regularly in May

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

One other note I forgot to mention. AA starts mainline to DCA. Now only routes with no mainline are AUS/BOS

I'm curious if DCA going mainline is a reduction in frequency? The FAA has asked airlines (aimed at AA) to reduce slots (voluntarily) at DCA this summer.

I also don't fly AA, but wow the change from the 175 to the 319 is a reduction in F seats. I'd hate being an elite on AA with that A319 configuration.I thought Delta's 12 seats was bad.

It’s at 3 a day. It fluctuates between 3 and 4.

NK is starting a red eye from LAS in June. Depart at 11:15 pm and arrive in STL at 4:30am. Heads back to LAS at 6am.

pmanni1 wrote:

NK is starting a red eye from LAS in June. Depart at 11:15 pm and arrive in STL at 4:30am. Heads back to LAS at 6am.

It’s too bad F9s isn’t running and AS from Seattle only runs in May. Would be cool to see multiple going again.

dcaproducer wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

April Frequencies

Flights per week
2023 (2022) 2019
WN 731 (630) 807
AA 202 (234) 246
DL 151 (142) 196
UA 147 (127) 201
F9 39 (31) 38
G4 23 (24) 20
AS 14 (7) 21
NK 11 (42) XX
AC 7 (0) 20

Total STL 1397 (1322) 1700

Seats on Monday
2023 seats (vs 2022) vs 2020
AA 3815 (0.77%) -8.38%
DL 2624 (4.04%) -19.06%
UA 1332 (0.45%) -24.23%

Notes:
Still a bit to go but everyone is over last years numbers except NK.
Burlington switches from Cape Air to Southern Air
WN - OAK/CHS are back. 100 flight a week bump from last year.
G4 - SAV is back
SY - MSP is back sporadically this month, regularly in May

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

One other note I forgot to mention. AA starts mainline to DCA. Now only routes with no mainline are AUS/BOS

I'm curious if DCA going mainline is a reduction in frequency? The FAA has asked airlines (aimed at AA) to reduce slots (voluntarily) at DCA this summer.

I also don't fly AA, but wow the change from the 175 to the 319 is a reduction in F seats. I'd hate being an elite on AA with that A319 configuration.I thought Delta's 12 seats was bad.

Probably not a desirable elite to DL then. So in this market you would seriously fly DCA-ATL/DTW-STL for an elapsed time exceeding 4 hours vs sub 2 on AA?

Unlikely the A319 will be a difficult upgrade especially for CKs and EXPs. Heck even after Golds, companions of golds and non-revs the forward cabin often goes out with empty seats and/or cabin rolls as operational upgrades for weight & balance. (Nice surprise & delight to otherwise infrequent travelers)

The 8F was a reflection of the markets LAA had intended the 319 Sharklets to serve when ordered in 07/2011 and first EIS 08/2013 and matched the UA 319s which were only recently brought up to 12F circa 2018/2019. LUS for whatever reason had 12F on the 319, and when the dumpy LUS HP/US delivered 319 LOPA was aligned with the new factory deliveries to LAA it was aligned to 8F.

Only reason the E175 has 12F is due to the magic 76 seat scope requirements. The current UA CEO and former HP/US figure tried to get APA to allow additional seats on the same E170/175 frames with the justification that more pax=more revenue=more pax connecting into mainline as he succeeded at US despite the objections of USAPA.

So while the pax comfort of the E175 in F with single seats, 12 vs 8F and generally more desirable bulkheads, similarly outsized composition of MCE seating and more comfortable 2-2 in back of bus these critiques are hardly original or unique to AA. The DL E175 LOPA is similar; yes the 319s are nicer than LUS no doubt. Not sure if you remember back in the NW days they ran 16F on DC9 and A319 but that was consistent with NW offering a meager product in generally non competitive geographies and dolled out a larger share of seats as upgrades to elites

N983AN wrote:

dcaproducer wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

One other note I forgot to mention. AA starts mainline to DCA. Now only routes with no mainline are AUS/BOS

I'm curious if DCA going mainline is a reduction in frequency? The FAA has asked airlines (aimed at AA) to reduce slots (voluntarily) at DCA this summer.

I also don't fly AA, but wow the change from the 175 to the 319 is a reduction in F seats. I'd hate being an elite on AA with that A319 configuration.I thought Delta's 12 seats was bad.

Probably not a desirable elite to DL then. So in this market you would seriously fly DCA-ATL/DTW-STL for an elapsed time exceeding 4 hours vs sub 2 on AA?

Absolutely. DL any day over AA.

Finally!

A. Approval is requested of a draft board bill authorizing the Director of Airports, the
President of the Board of Public Service, and the Comptroller of the City to execute the “Memorandum of Agreement between Southwest Airlines Co. and The City of St. Louis for Expansion and Improvements to Terminal 2 Inbound Baggage System and Facilities . ”

From commish meeting agenda.

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... Agenda.pdf

Jshank83 wrote:

Finally!

A. Approval is requested of a draft board bill authorizing the Director of Airports, the
President of the Board of Public Service, and the Comptroller of the City to execute the “Memorandum of Agreement between Southwest Airlines Co. and The City of St. Louis for Expansion and Improvements to Terminal 2 Inbound Baggage System and Facilities . ”

From commish meeting agenda.

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... Agenda.pdf

Great news!!

Commission meeting notes

For Southwest Baggage claim expansion

Special facility bonds 60 mil. Airport sells bonds. Southwest pays full cost

Pays any increased rent that occurs. If southwest ceases to occupy they will pay it off in 18 months (Ie if it isn't paid off when they move to new terminal).

Larger footprint 11K sq ft.

More back of house operations.

30% design review due next Friday.

Timeline: Ready for occupation late 2025. Back of the house likely sooner.

No new rendering shown...

The idea that Southwest knows this is going to be in use less than a decade and all the way to the top level said they want this, and an expanded version from the original is great to see.

Link to original design back in 2018. This one is will be 500 sq ft bigger than the original design and cost about 3x as much (I think a lot of that is due to increases costs)
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... -bag-claim

Jshank83 wrote:

Commission meeting notes

For Southwest Baggage claim expansion

Special facility bonds 60 mil. Airport sells bonds. Southwest pays full cost

Pays any increased rent that occurs. If southwest ceases to occupy they will pay it off in 18 months (Ie if it isn't paid off when they move to new terminal).

Larger footprint 11K sq ft.

More back of house operations.

30% design review due next Friday.

Timeline: Ready for occupation late 2025. Back of the house likely sooner.

No new rendering shown...

The idea that Southwest knows this is going to be in use less than a decade and all the way to the top level said they want this, and an expanded version from the original is great to see.

Link to original design back in 2018. This one is will be 500 sq ft bigger than the original design and cost about 3x as much (I think a lot of that is due to increases costs)
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... -bag-claim

Now I am curious...is Lufthansa also using Terminal 2 Baggage Claim...and where?

I still can't believe SWA operated Terminal 2 with just 2 Carousels.

Alex

atrude777 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Commission meeting notes

For Southwest Baggage claim expansion

Special facility bonds 60 mil. Airport sells bonds. Southwest pays full cost

Pays any increased rent that occurs. If southwest ceases to occupy they will pay it off in 18 months (Ie if it isn't paid off when they move to new terminal).

Larger footprint 11K sq ft.

More back of house operations.

30% design review due next Friday.

Timeline: Ready for occupation late 2025. Back of the house likely sooner.

No new rendering shown...

The idea that Southwest knows this is going to be in use less than a decade and all the way to the top level said they want this, and an expanded version from the original is great to see.

Link to original design back in 2018. This one is will be 500 sq ft bigger than the original design and cost about 3x as much (I think a lot of that is due to increases costs)
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... -bag-claim

Now I am curious...is Lufthansa also using Terminal 2 Baggage Claim...and where?

I still can't believe SWA operated Terminal 2 with just 2 Carousels.

Alex

They would be using the baggage claim in customs