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brooklynchris13 wrote:Happy New Year everyone. And thank you DeltaRules for getting us started. May this year bring more passengers, more destinations, and more flights for all of the Airports and communities we call home. On a personal note, I am happy to share that it appears a new position at work will mean more flying for me as well as more opportunities for leisure travel, starting on Tuesday with an LGA flight.
Thanks to everyone for the insight, wisdom, guesses, and everything else you share here. And finally, I hope 2023 bring us all peace, joy, happiness, and TATL service at CMH!
CMHtraveler wrote:Thank you DeltaRules for your excellent thread summary as always. Thought I’d check in on my CMH summary and wishlist items from January of last year:
jplatts wrote:Predictions for CVG in 2023:
- AA adds CVG-LAX nonstop service
- AA upgauging more flights out of CVG from regional jets to mainline
- UA upgauging the remaining UA Express CVG-ORD/IAD nonstop flights that are still operated on 50-seat regional jets to bigger planes
- WN increases CVG-MCO/PHX from Saturday-only nonstop service to daily nonstop service
- WN resumes CVG-HOU nonstop service
- G4 adds CVG-HOU nonstop service
- CVG-SAN nonstop service is added by AS, G4, or MX
Predictions for CMH in 2023:
- AA or DL resumes CMH-LAX nonstop service
- WN CMH-DCA nonstop service increased from 1 daily nonstop to 2 daily nonstops due to the GSA contract that WN has on the CMH-DCA route through at least 9/30/2023
- CMH-SAN nonstop service added by AS, MX, or WN
- NK adds CMH-IAH nonstop service
- F9 or MX adds CMH-LAS nonstop service
Predictions for DAY in 2023:
- AA upgauges some of its DAY-DFW nonstop flights to mainline
- DL resumes DAY-DTW/MSP nonstop service
- UA resumes DAY-DEN nonstop service
- G4 adds DAY-FLL/SRQ/SAV nonstop service
- XP adds DAY-TPA nonstop service
DeltaRules wrote:UA's CMH-ORD goes to 4x mainline late Spring/early Summer per the United Network thread.
Jgsushi wrote:Does anyone know if AC is planning on retiring their CRJ200 fleet any time soon? With a relatively small fleet size of 15 and most of them entering their 19th year, I wonder if AC is going to retire them sometime in the next few years. As the pilot shortage rolls in and 50 seaters are slowly disappearing, I wonder what the replacement aircraft would be. The 2X daily frequency suggests they could fill a larger aircraft once a day, maybe with an E175 or something.
FlyingRocks wrote:Jgsushi wrote:Does anyone know if AC is planning on retiring their CRJ200 fleet any time soon? With a relatively small fleet size of 15 and most of them entering their 19th year, I wonder if AC is going to retire them sometime in the next few years. As the pilot shortage rolls in and 50 seaters are slowly disappearing, I wonder what the replacement aircraft would be. The 2X daily frequency suggests they could fill a larger aircraft once a day, maybe with an E175 or something.
I don't know. However, I could also see the replacement aircraft be a Q400, it has two more seats and there are more of them than the E175 in Air Canada express' fleet. I could see these being used 2X daily but probably more so in the summer.
a320flyer wrote:FlyingRocks wrote:Jgsushi wrote:Does anyone know if AC is planning on retiring their CRJ200 fleet any time soon? With a relatively small fleet size of 15 and most of them entering their 19th year, I wonder if AC is going to retire them sometime in the next few years. As the pilot shortage rolls in and 50 seaters are slowly disappearing, I wonder what the replacement aircraft would be. The 2X daily frequency suggests they could fill a larger aircraft once a day, maybe with an E175 or something.
I don't know. However, I could also see the replacement aircraft be a Q400, it has two more seats and there are more of them than the E175 in Air Canada express' fleet. I could see these being used 2X daily but probably more so in the summer.
CMH-YYZ is going to 2xCR9. They’re doing this in IND as well. CVG/PIT-YYZ are still at 3x/CR2, but likely the same will happen on those eventually as well.
CMHMarc787 wrote:a320flyer wrote:FlyingRocks wrote:
I don't know. However, I could also see the replacement aircraft be a Q400, it has two more seats and there are more of them than the E175 in Air Canada express' fleet. I could see these being used 2X daily but probably more so in the summer.
CMH-YYZ is going to 2xCR9. They’re doing this in IND as well. CVG/PIT-YYZ are still at 3x/CR2, but likely the same will happen on those eventually as well.
Love that AC is going to the CR9 - welcome to the larger Canadian metal.
Side, yet somewhat relevant, question: Can anyone say why B30 (AC's gate) does not have a jetway? I've always been curious.
a320flyer wrote:FlyingRocks wrote:Jgsushi wrote:Does anyone know if AC is planning on retiring their CRJ200 fleet any time soon? With a relatively small fleet size of 15 and most of them entering their 19th year, I wonder if AC is going to retire them sometime in the next few years. As the pilot shortage rolls in and 50 seaters are slowly disappearing, I wonder what the replacement aircraft would be. The 2X daily frequency suggests they could fill a larger aircraft once a day, maybe with an E175 or something.
I don't know. However, I could also see the replacement aircraft be a Q400, it has two more seats and there are more of them than the E175 in Air Canada express' fleet. I could see these being used 2X daily but probably more so in the summer.
CMH-YYZ is going to 2xCR9. They’re doing this in IND as well. CVG/PIT-YYZ are still at 3x/CR2, but likely the same will happen on those eventually as well.
Jgsushi wrote:a320flyer wrote:FlyingRocks wrote:
I don't know. However, I could also see the replacement aircraft be a Q400, it has two more seats and there are more of them than the E175 in Air Canada express' fleet. I could see these being used 2X daily but probably more so in the summer.
CMH-YYZ is going to 2xCR9. They’re doing this in IND as well. CVG/PIT-YYZ are still at 3x/CR2, but likely the same will happen on those eventually as well.
If true, that’s exciting! Do you have a link or some source we can look at?
a320flyer wrote:Jgsushi wrote:a320flyer wrote:CMH-YYZ is going to 2xCR9. They’re doing this in IND as well. CVG/PIT-YYZ are still at 3x/CR2, but likely the same will happen on those eventually as well.
If true, that’s exciting! Do you have a link or some source we can look at?
Already loaded in their schedule, begins May 1, 2023.
Jshank83 wrote:a320flyer wrote:Jgsushi wrote:If true, that’s exciting! Do you have a link or some source we can look at?
Already loaded in their schedule, begins May 1, 2023.
I’m seeing 1x900 and 1x200
cmhman wrote:My hopes/predictions:
New terminal: renderings and options first quarter of year.
AA: continued mainline, maybe mainline to LGA. Return of LAX but doubtful. No new routes unless they take a chance on AUS.
BA: just kidding
DL: more of the same, maybe SLC? Maybe LAX. DL has been disappointing.
AS: double SEA this summer is planned and hope it goes this year. Otherwise nothing else. Just don’t see PDX or other west coast.
SY: hope it to do well and maybe get 4x next year like PIT.
UA: continued mainline to all including EWR. Any chance they add LAX? Would probably hurt SFO. Maybe 2x SFO eventually.
NK: hard to say with the merger coming. Was hoping they’d add more destinations but I’d settle for not losing anymore.
AC: YUL would be cool.
MX: had begun to wonder about them. But seems they’re still committed to trying things. Hope some stick and increase flights.
WN: don’t expect much but would love to see MCI, LAC and OAK. Maybe seasonal SJU.
Happy New Year!
yoshoward12 wrote:Unfortunately, I do not think United would do CMH-LAX. Any aircraft would be better utilized flying to a hub, and connecting. United doesn’t really mess with eastern mid-sized cities to LAX routes (there are a few exceptions like BWI).
flyCMH wrote:CRAA board minutes are out with 2022 total: 7.46 million pax through CMH and 293,000 pax through LCK for a combined total of 7.75 million.
https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 4-2023.pdf
CBF article reporting the CRAA numbers:
John Glenn Columbus International, Rickenbacker airports saw passenger traffic increase in 2022
By Amanda Tonoli – Staff reporter , Columbus Business First
Jan 24, 2023 Updated Jan 24, 2023, 2:28pm EST
Air traffic through Columbus is continuing to climb toward pre-pandemic levels.
In 2022, John Glenn Columbus International Airport and Rickenbacker International Airport's passenger terminal saw an estimated 7.75 million passengers, a 27% increase over 2021's 6.12 million passengers, according to the Columbus Regional Airport Authority.
https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... rease.html
DeltaRules wrote:flyCMH wrote:CRAA board minutes are out with 2022 total: 7.46 million pax through CMH and 293,000 pax through LCK for a combined total of 7.75 million.
https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 4-2023.pdf
CBF article reporting the CRAA numbers:
John Glenn Columbus International, Rickenbacker airports saw passenger traffic increase in 2022
By Amanda Tonoli – Staff reporter , Columbus Business First
Jan 24, 2023 Updated Jan 24, 2023, 2:28pm EST
Air traffic through Columbus is continuing to climb toward pre-pandemic levels.
In 2022, John Glenn Columbus International Airport and Rickenbacker International Airport's passenger terminal saw an estimated 7.75 million passengers, a 27% increase over 2021's 6.12 million passengers, according to the Columbus Regional Airport Authority.
https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... rease.html
The Air Service Committee finally did something and one of their bullet points is:
"Update on air service announcements, passenger travel volumes and target airlines"
Alright, let's play the game. Besides B6 and XP, who's left? I'd assume at this point they're targeting TATL carriers.
NoTime wrote:DeltaRules wrote:flyCMH wrote:CRAA board minutes are out with 2022 total: 7.46 million pax through CMH and 293,000 pax through LCK for a combined total of 7.75 million.
https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 4-2023.pdf
CBF article reporting the CRAA numbers:
John Glenn Columbus International, Rickenbacker airports saw passenger traffic increase in 2022
By Amanda Tonoli – Staff reporter , Columbus Business First
Jan 24, 2023 Updated Jan 24, 2023, 2:28pm EST
Air traffic through Columbus is continuing to climb toward pre-pandemic levels.
In 2022, John Glenn Columbus International Airport and Rickenbacker International Airport's passenger terminal saw an estimated 7.75 million passengers, a 27% increase over 2021's 6.12 million passengers, according to the Columbus Regional Airport Authority.
https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... rease.html
The Air Service Committee finally did something and one of their bullet points is:
"Update on air service announcements, passenger travel volumes and target airlines"
Alright, let's play the game. Besides B6 and XP, who's left? I'd assume at this point they're targeting TATL carriers.
My money would be on B6. If it's TATL, then I guess the usual suspects are in play. But, what about the other direction with Northern Pacific? I haven't kept up with their progress, but I think they're going to start service this year? (And I saw some speculation about possible weekly markets a while back, and I think the usual midwest-non-ORD/DTW airports were in the mix.)
Very, very unlikely, I know...
CMHtraveler wrote:CMH social media put up a promo for the Vacation Express flights to CUN Sundays beginning Feb 19. Does anyone know who is running those this year? Is it Viva Aerobus again? Interesting that they continue to return with AA and WN both on the route seasonally.
flyCMH wrote:CMHtraveler wrote:CMH social media put up a promo for the Vacation Express flights to CUN Sundays beginning Feb 19. Does anyone know who is running those this year? Is it Viva Aerobus again? Interesting that they continue to return with AA and WN both on the route seasonally.
I saw that too. Just tried to book a trip via their website and the service will indeed be provided by Viva Aerobus. It is nice to see this service constantly resume. Too bad F9 couldn't make the route work with their twice weekly service.
flyCMH wrote:CMHtraveler wrote:CMH social media put up a promo for the Vacation Express flights to CUN Sundays beginning Feb 19. Does anyone know who is running those this year? Is it Viva Aerobus again? Interesting that they continue to return with AA and WN both on the route seasonally.
I saw that too. Just tried to book a trip via their website and the service will indeed be provided by Viva Aerobus. It is nice to see this service constantly resume. Too bad F9 couldn't make the route work with their twice weekly service.
CMHtraveler wrote:CMH social media put up a promo for the Vacation Express flights to CUN Sundays beginning Feb 19. Does anyone know who is running those this year? Is it Viva Aerobus again? Interesting that they continue to return with AA and WN both on the route seasonally.
cmhman wrote:CMHtraveler wrote:CMH social media put up a promo for the Vacation Express flights to CUN Sundays beginning Feb 19. Does anyone know who is running those this year? Is it Viva Aerobus again? Interesting that they continue to return with AA and WN both on the route seasonally.
CVG has 4 destinations via Vacation Express. Wow. CMH just gets the one.
flyCMH wrote:Heads up, CMH spotters. Delta upgauged a ATL-CMH-ATL turn for today from a 739 to a 752:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KCMH
Still wishing they'd grace us with a 757 on a regular basis, but understand that realistically probably won't happen.
flyCMH wrote:Heads up, CMH spotters. Delta upgauged a ATL-CMH-ATL turn for today from a 739 to a 752:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KCMH
Still wishing they'd grace us with a 757 on a regular basis, but understand that realistically probably won't happen.
plinth857 wrote:Flying out of CAK tomorrow for the first time since the pandemic. I'm glad CAK has some GSA City Pair contracts; it's a decent alternative to CLE when the GSA contract results in a carrier with sub-optimal options out of CLE.
Is there still an open Great Lakes Brewing Company location out there? I may go early if there is.
flyCMH wrote:Heads up, CMH spotters. Delta upgauged a ATL-CMH-ATL turn for today from a 739 to a 752:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KCMH
Still wishing they'd grace us with a 757 on a regular basis, but understand that realistically probably won't happen.
flyCMH wrote:Heads up, CMH spotters. Delta upgauged a ATL-CMH-ATL turn for today from a 739 to a 752:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KCMH
Still wishing they'd grace us with a 757 on a regular basis, but understand that realistically probably won't happen.
ChasChandler wrote:Not directly CMH related, but there was a video on A.Net showing the new Kansas City terminal set to open up soon and I'll bet it's within a percent or two of what CMH will look like. If you're interested, the new terminal part of the video starts around 9:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHLwPdUA0q0