Airbus and Boeing Orders - 2023

hOMSaR · Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:42 am

Welcome to the Airbus and Boeing Orders thread - 2023 edition.
Please continue to post your news and discussions below.

Link to the 2022 edition:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1469087

LAXintl · Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:06 am

Skymark shared details of its previously announced MAX order

2 x 737MAX-8
4 x 737MAX-10

Delivery 2026-2027

Skymark will also lease in 6 additional MAX aircraft for 2025 service entry per their media release.

https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/268913

jbs2886 · Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:34 am

LAXintl wrote:
Skymark shared details of its previously announced MAX order

2 x 737MAX-8
4 x 737MAX-10

Delivery 2026-2027

Skymark will also lease in 6 additional MAX aircraft for 2025 service entry per their media release.

https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/268913

Linked announcement says 2x of each firm order, 1x option for each. Unless google translate is way off.

Lamp1009 · Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:24 am

Just adding this for consistency's sake:

Delta takes options for additional 12, A220-300s
https://news.delta.com/delta-continues- ... a220-fleet

dbeeo · Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:20 am

jbs2886 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Skymark shared details of its previously announced MAX order

2 x 737MAX-8
4 x 737MAX-10

Delivery 2026-2027

Skymark will also lease in 6 additional MAX aircraft for 2025 service entry per their media release.

https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/268913

Linked announcement says 2x of each firm order, 1x option for each. Unless google translate is way off.

I clicked the link and have a look on article. Yours is correct, 2 for each, 1x option each.

WestWing · Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:43 am

I don't know if I am imagining things, but I thought when the 2023 threads were created on Dec 31 2022, the moderators had split the 2023 Airbus and Boeing orders into separate threads one for Airbus and one for Boeing. I personally liked the concept of separate threads for Airbus and Boeing. Was there a published reason for reverting to Airbus/Boeing combined? Thanks in advance for clarifying. This also applies to 2023 Airbus/Boeing Deliveries threads.

Someone83 · Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:39 pm

Uzbekistan Airways orders 8 A320neo and 4 A321neo

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/uzbe ... -aircraft/

scbriml · Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:08 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Uzbekistan Airways orders 8 A320neo and 4 A321neo

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/uzbe ... -aircraft/

Confirmed by Airbus:
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... y-aircraft

Uzbekistan Airways, the national carrier of the Republic of Uzbekistan, has placed a firm order with Airbus for 12 A320neo Family aircraft (eight A320neo and four A321neo). The new aircraft will join the carrier’s current fleet of 17 Airbus A320 Family aircraft. The choice of the engines will be made by the airline at a later stage.

The A320neo Family aircraft will feature the new Airbus Airspace cabin, bringing premium comfort to the single aisle market. The airline is planning to operate its new aircraft to further develop its domestic and international route network.

behramjee · Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:53 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Uzbekistan Airways orders 8 A320neo and 4 A321neo

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/uzbe ... -aircraft/

wasnt this order placed many months ago ? or was it initially only a MOU of sorts?

scbriml · Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:19 pm

behramjee wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Uzbekistan Airways orders 8 A320neo and 4 A321neo

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/uzbe ... -aircraft/

wasnt this order placed many months ago ? or was it initially only a MOU of sorts?

The Airbus PR is dated today, so whatever was previously announced wasn't a firm order and wasn't listed on Airbus's O&D spreadsheet.

Flying-Tiger · Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:42 am

Air France / KLM
4x A350F (for Martinair) - total now 8x A350F
3x A350-900 für Air France

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/air-france-klm-orders-airbus-072724035.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmRlLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMsbHrol3FqYpZ2olc_h1BS6US2aHoaibeqS1o5luukHJGD9N5hmqhPk7frrFGv8c-tbh1Ryny34ZE92C5ayvK81i3_8XjhK9RMHDwXh4X9eP5ImB1td_Sgj6Lxu7UJSPz96weqX1V7ooBqafIWhbOXw_GkF4Qi6NRlPhl8y1TOE

Rhal97 · Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:29 am

Flying-Tiger wrote:
Air France / KLM
4x A350F (for Martinair) - total now 8x A350F
3x A350-900 für Air France

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/air-france-klm-orders-airbus-072724035.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmRlLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMsbHrol3FqYpZ2olc_h1BS6US2aHoaibeqS1o5luukHJGD9N5hmqhPk7frrFGv8c-tbh1Ryny34ZE92C5ayvK81i3_8XjhK9RMHDwXh4X9eP5ImB1td_Sgj6Lxu7UJSPz96weqX1V7ooBqafIWhbOXw_GkF4Qi6NRlPhl8y1TOE

Was this for 4 undisclosed from last month?

fcogafa · Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:03 am

FG says the AFR A350s will be delivered from next year, so presumably some NTU frames

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/k ... 20.article

Asiaflyer · Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:45 pm

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... e-fleet-of

Posted on Airbus website as well... but the press release does not mention the three A359 passenger jets

JerseyFlyer · Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:14 pm

Asiaflyer wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-01-air-france-klm-orders-four-a350fs-to-modernise-the-fleet-of

Posted on Airbus website as well... but the press release does not mention the three A359 passenger jets

Maybe because those three have already been delivered to their purchaser and are now ntus?

JerseyFlyer · Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:18 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Asiaflyer wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-01-air-france-klm-orders-four-a350fs-to-modernise-the-fleet-of

Posted on Airbus website as well... but the press release does not mention the three A359 passenger jets

Maybe because those three have already been delivered to their purchaser and are now ntus?

The Airbus release is interesting for what it does NOT say. If the 4xFs were the 4 recently announced for an undisclosed purchaser, I think they would have indicated that, but perhaps not.

StTim · Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:22 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Asiaflyer wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-01-air-france-klm-orders-four-a350fs-to-modernise-the-fleet-of

Posted on Airbus website as well... but the press release does not mention the three A359 passenger jets

Maybe because those three have already been delivered to their purchaser and are now ntus?

The Airbus release is interesting for what it does NOT say. If the 4xFs were the 4 recently announced for an undisclosed purchaser, I think they would have indicated that, but perhaps not.

Not too long to find out with the monthly figures.

Hamlet69 · Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:32 pm

Rhal97 wrote:
Flying-Tiger wrote:
Air France / KLM
4x A350F (for Martinair) - total now 8x A350F
3x A350-900 für Air France

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/air-france-klm-orders-airbus-072724035.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmRlLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMsbHrol3FqYpZ2olc_h1BS6US2aHoaibeqS1o5luukHJGD9N5hmqhPk7frrFGv8c-tbh1Ryny34ZE92C5ayvK81i3_8XjhK9RMHDwXh4X9eP5ImB1td_Sgj6Lxu7UJSPz96weqX1V7ooBqafIWhbOXw_GkF4Qi6NRlPhl8y1TOE

Was this for 4 undisclosed from last month?

Presumably. They showed 35 total orders at year-end 2022, which is what todays press release also says. So I’d imagine these are the 4 UFO’s from December.

Polot · Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:09 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Asiaflyer wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-01-air-france-klm-orders-four-a350fs-to-modernise-the-fleet-of

Posted on Airbus website as well... but the press release does not mention the three A359 passenger jets

Maybe because those three have already been delivered to their purchaser and are now ntus?

If they were originally delivered to their purchaser then they are not NTUs and Airbus wouldn’t be responsible for the order (AF/KLM says the order is with Airbus). Airbus withdrew SU “deliveries” due to unexpected sanctions, but if they start doing things like that with other deliveries they would probably start to attract some heat from financial regulators in regards to misleading investors.

I’m guessing the A350F order was finalized last month and the passenger order may not be yet. This isn’t the first time that there was a lag between when AF said something was firm vs when Airbus said it was firmed. Similar thing occurred in regards to A380 cancellation/A350 top up.

Rhal97 · Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:13 pm

Cirium/flightglobal reporting that the additional a350s will actually be leased which is why there’s a short lead time

jfk777 · Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:58 am

Are there any Hainan or Aeroflot A350-900 left or have they all found new homes.

Someone83 · Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:37 pm

Southwest firms orders for 10 737-MAX 7. While the same time 4 existing orders for the -7 is converted to -8

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... some-to-8s

Southwest Airlines (WN, Dallas Love Field) has increased its B737 MAX backlog by firming ten B737-7 options, while also converting four earlier -7 order into B737-8s.

And US Air Force orders 15 more KC-46

https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... a-tankers/

The U.S. Air Force has awarded Boeing a $2.3 billion contract for the ninth production lot of 15 KC-46A Pegasus tanker aircraft, expanding its fleet of the world’s most advanced multi-mission aerial refueler. To date, 128 KC-46A Pegasus are on contract with the U.S. Air Force, with 68 delivered and operationally deployed worldwide.

DCA350 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:51 pm

The Qatar Airbus orders have been reinstated.. Wonder how will they be booked.. Were they officially removed from the backlog?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/airbus-rev ... foajbs07p9

Polot · Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:52 pm

DCA350 wrote:
The Qatar Airbus orders have been reinstated.. Wonder how will they be booked.. Were they officially removed from the backlog?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/airbus-rev ... foajbs07p9

Yes. So they will be booked as new orders.

JerseyFlyer · Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:33 pm

So, 23 " new" A35K orders and 29 grounded 350s to be repaired and returned to service

DCA350 · Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:45 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
So, 23 " new" A35K orders and 29 grounded 350s to be repaired and returned to service

When the AI order is announced it will be a nice start to the new year for Airbus in the WB category, after an ugly 2022

JerseyFlyer · Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:26 pm

Leeham has an analysis of orders at risk at end-2022, including the comment "One order materially affects OEM twin-aisle market share"

The detail is behind their paywall.

This comment could refer to QR's A350 order, since apparently resolved, or maybe one of the delayed 777X orders

https://leehamnews.com/2023/02/06/order ... -snapshot/

Rhal97 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:44 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Leeham has an analysis of orders at risk at end-2022, including the comment "One order materially affects OEM twin-aisle market share"

The detail is behind their paywall.

This comment could refer to QR's A350 order, since apparently resolved, or maybe one of the delayed 777X orders

https://leehamnews.com/2023/02/06/order ... -snapshot/

Nope. I think more United 100 787s. Airbus -45 a350s

QR will still take the 777-9 as they’ve always planned to, as well as the freighter

mig17 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:55 pm

Rhal97 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Leeham has an analysis of orders at risk at end-2022, including the comment "One order materially affects OEM twin-aisle market share"

The detail is behind their paywall.

This comment could refer to QR's A350 order, since apparently resolved, or maybe one of the delayed 777X orders

https://leehamnews.com/2023/02/06/order ... -snapshot/

Nope. I think more United 100 787s. Airbus -45 a350s

QR will still take the 777-9 as they’ve always planned to, as well as the freighter

With the reinstatement of Airbus A350-1000 and A321neo orders for QR and the uncertainty around the 777-8, we can't tell yet if QR is going to take everything they have on order.
Agreed, the recent United 787 order is also creating uncertainty for the A350 they still have on order.

Polot · Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:17 pm

mig17 wrote:
Rhal97 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Leeham has an analysis of orders at risk at end-2022, including the comment "One order materially affects OEM twin-aisle market share"

The detail is behind their paywall.

This comment could refer to QR's A350 order, since apparently resolved, or maybe one of the delayed 777X orders

https://leehamnews.com/2023/02/06/order ... -snapshot/

Nope. I think more United 100 787s. Airbus -45 a350s

QR will still take the 777-9 as they’ve always planned to, as well as the freighter

With the reinstatement of Airbus A350-1000 and A321neo orders for QR and the uncertainty around the 777-8, we can't tell yet if QR is going to take everything they have on order.
Agreed, the recent United 787 order is also creating uncertainty for the A350 they still have on order.

The fact that they are talking about effects on twin aisle market share makes me agree with Rhal97 that it is probably UA order they are talking about (with A350 order uncertain, Leeham has been rather pessimistic about it). I’m not sure QR reinstatement really shifts wide body market share that much.

Someone83 · Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:48 pm

January Airbus orders: 37 gross, 36 net

DELTA AIR LINES 12 A220-300
UNDISCLOSED 6 A320neo, 6 A321neo
UZBEKISTAN AIRWAYS 8 A320neo, 4 A321neo
DAE CAPITAL 1 A320neo

Cancellations: -1 A320neo

flyaa757 · Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:51 pm

Presume that should be A220-300, not A330-200?

MIflyer12 · Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:53 pm

Someone83 wrote:
January Airbus orders: 37 gross, 36 net

DELTA AIR LINES 12 A330-200
UNDISCLOSED 6 A320neo, 6 A321neo
UZBEKISTAN AIRWAYS 8 A320neo, 4 A321neo
DAE CAPITAL 1 A320neo

Cancellations: -1 A320neo

12 A330-200??

Not 12 A220-300?

Someone83 · Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:56 pm

flyaa757 wrote:
Presume that should be A220-300, not A330-200?

Yes, not sure what happened there :p

Airlinerdude · Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:04 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Leeham has an analysis of orders at risk at end-2022, including the comment "One order materially affects OEM twin-aisle market share"

The detail is behind their paywall.

Depends on how 'material' 30 aircraft are, but there is a strong "rumour" that EK will be cancelling their 789 order.

(The word "rumour" chosen to satisfy the forum's rules, as I can't point to any internal sources)

jbs2886 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:34 am

Airlinerdude wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Leeham has an analysis of orders at risk at end-2022, including the comment "One order materially affects OEM twin-aisle market share"

The detail is behind their paywall.

Depends on how 'material' 30 aircraft are, but there is a strong "rumour" that EK will be cancelling their 789 order.

(The word "rumour" chosen to satisfy the forum's rules, as I can't point to any internal sources)

Cancel and not converting to anything else?

chiad · Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:55 am

jbs2886 wrote:
Airlinerdude wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Leeham has an analysis of orders at risk at end-2022, including the comment "One order materially affects OEM twin-aisle market share"

The detail is behind their paywall.

Depends on how 'material' 30 aircraft are, but there is a strong "rumour" that EK will be cancelling their 789 order.

(The word "rumour" chosen to satisfy the forum's rules, as I can't point to any internal sources)

Cancel and not converting to anything else?

Maybe conversion into A350's?

scbriml · Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:20 am

Rhal97 wrote:
Nope. I think more United 100 787s. Airbus -45 a350s

I may have missed it, but did United actually cancel their A350 order?

frigatebird · Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:41 am

chiad wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Airlinerdude wrote:

Depends on how 'material' 30 aircraft are, but there is a strong "rumour" that EK will be cancelling their 789 order.

(The word "rumour" chosen to satisfy the forum's rules, as I can't point to any internal sources)

Cancel and not converting to anything else?

Maybe conversion into A350's?

I doubt Boeing will agree to that.

Conversion back to 777X perhaps, if EK feels confident about the program again.

scbriml wrote:
Rhal97 wrote:
Nope. I think more United 100 787s. Airbus -45 a350s

I may have missed it, but did United actually cancel their A350 order?

Certainly not. But I personally was thinking Leeham meant the EK 777X order. If that gets cancelled, and EK orders 150 A350s instead, it would be a massive shift in widebody order share. 2023 will be a pivotal year for the 777X, Boeing appears to focus on getting certification on track again, at least for completion and EIS in 2025. Any further delays and EK's (and perhaps other airlines) patience may be over.

FrenchPotatoEye · Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:07 am

Ek is nit cancelling 787s.

First delivery us summer 2025. Plannunchanged.

Nor is 777x canceled or talk about that.

Rhal97 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:15 am

scbriml wrote:
Rhal97 wrote:
Nope. I think more United 100 787s. Airbus -45 a350s

I may have missed it, but did United actually cancel their A350 order?

They haven’t but it’s an order that Leeham has classified at risk even before the 787 order. And the 100+ 787 order does change the outlook of things given that Boeing has delivered twice as many 787s than airbus has delivered 350s and still has a bigger backlog. And that is part due to the United order. The 330neo order book is like what 250 units? Add that to Boeings strong freighter dominance with strong 777F sales, healthy 777Xf sales (which has outsold the 350F) the widebody market share starts leaning towards 60:40

Also ADD that the 350 order number is not 934 units as airbus says. Iran air is still counted in there for example and I’m sure there are others we may not be aware of

a2b7 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:34 pm

Someone83 wrote:
January Airbus orders: 37 gross, 36 net

DELTA AIR LINES 12 A220-300
UNDISCLOSED 6 A320neo, 6 A321neo
UZBEKISTAN AIRWAYS 8 A320neo, 4 A321neo
DAE CAPITAL 1 A320neo

Cancellations: -1 A320neo

As far as I can tell based on the other January 2023 Airbus O&D table, the cancellation of 1x A320neo belongs to Viva Air. This looks like another transfer from Viva Air to DAE Capital, although it was booked as an order and a cancellation.

The other changes in the order book:
Conversions / Transfer of orders
NAS Aviation Services 1x A321neo → A320neo
BOC Aviation 2x A320neo → Flynas (This continues their weird order changes from November and December)

Previously undisclosed:
Jet2.plc 3x A321neo (Apparently they were already announced in October https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... mily-to-98 , but only disclosed in the order book now)
Martinair 4x A350F (as expected, see https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... e-fleet-of )
Tibet Airlines 2x A319neo

atcsundevil · Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:11 am

Please keep the thread on topic. This is for orders only, not rumors.

✈️ atcsundevil

qf789 · Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:14 pm

Air India commits to 470 Airbus and Boeing aircraft

Airbus is a LOI
210 A320neo's (140 A320neo and 70 A321neo)
40 A350's (model not confirmed)

Boeing
190 737MAX
20 787's
10 777X
plus 70 options, 50 737MAX and 20 787

https://simpleflying.com/air-india-plac ... 76385071-1

qf789 · Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:50 pm

More info on the Air India announcement

The 40 A350's will consist of 6 A350-900's and 34 A350-1000's

https://twitter.com/rschuur_aero/status ... sHQ_gbAY0A

Boeing has issued their press release

190 737MAX of which are a mix of 737MAX8 and 737MAX10 plus 50 options
20 787's are 787-9's plus 20 options
10 777X are 777-9's

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2023-02-14 ... ble-Growth

PM · Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:01 pm

qf789 wrote:

The 40 A350's will consist of 6 A350-900's and 34 A350-1000's

My guess is that they wanted just the -1000 but six -900s are available almost immediately so they snapped them up. Ex-SU planes, I assume.

KPTKRampy · Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:04 pm

qf789 wrote:
Air India commits to 470 Airbus and Boeing aircraft

Airbus is a LOI
210 A320neo's (140 A320neo and 70 A321neo)
40 A350's (model not confirmed)

Boeing
190 737MAX
20 787's
10 777X
plus 70 options, 50 737MAX and 20 787

https://simpleflying.com/air-india-plac ... 76385071-1

Do we know what the break down is with the variants of the MAX and the 787 orders?

qf789 · Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:09 pm

Boeing receives 55 gross orders for January (45 net)

USAF Air Tanker 15 767's
Skymark Airlines 4 737MAX
TUI UK 4 737MAX
Unidentified 25 737MAX
Unidentified 7 787-10

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/

qf789 · Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:12 pm

KPTKRampy wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Air India commits to 470 Airbus and Boeing aircraft

Airbus is a LOI
210 A320neo's (140 A320neo and 70 A321neo)
40 A350's (model not confirmed)

Boeing
190 737MAX
20 787's
10 777X
plus 70 options, 50 737MAX and 20 787

https://simpleflying.com/air-india-plac ... 76385071-1

Do we know what the break down is with the variants of the MAX and the 787 orders?

787's are 787-9's
737MAX mix of 737MAX8 and 737MAX10 - no definitive breakdown

morrisond · Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:13 pm

qf789 wrote:
Boeing receives 55 orders for January

USAF Air Tanker - 15 767's
Skymark Airlines 4 737MAX
TUI UK 4 737MAX
Unidentified 25 737MAX
Unidentified 7 787-10

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/

45 Net for January
-39 MAX taken out of backlog due to cancellations, but 22 added back in due to ASC 606
787 had 7 ASC606 additions as well.

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