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TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
smi0006 wrote:Upto three flights arrive within minutes of each other refuel check US entry validation and continue West .No transfer of passengers are scheduledTWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
How big is the DUB scissor hub? Reminds me of 9W at AMS.
I doubt they would open a crew base, I’m sure whilst accommodation is pricey - labour in Ethiopia would still be cheaper that Ireland, plus I’m sure they want to keep jobs in Ethiopia.
Love to fly with them one day! Hope they one day open up MEL!
rutankrd wrote:
Dublin isn’t a scissor hub or any hub it’s purely a one direction tech and security stop in the middle of the night
Right now all east bound are none stop to Addis whilst Dublins own flights to Addis Ababa remain suspended
AC4500 wrote:https://www.google.com/travel/flights/booking?tfs=CBwQAhppagcIARIDQUREEgoyMDIzLTA1LTE2cgcIARIDQVRMIh8KA0FERBIKMjAyMy0wNS0xNhoDRFVCKgJFVDIDNTE4Ih8KA0RVQhIKMjAyMy0wNS0xNxoDQVRMKgJFVDIDNTE4MgJFVHoDRFVCGkhqBwgBEgNBVEwSCjIwMjMtMDUtMTdyBwgBEgNBREQiHwoDQVRMEgoyMDIzLTA1LTE3GgNBREQqAkVUMgM1MTkyAkVUegNEVUJwAYIBCwj___________8BQAFIAZgBAQ&tfu=CmxDalJJYzNveVduaFlkRmt6ZVRCQlJIWmFNV2RDUnkwdExTMHRMUzB0Y0daaVkzQXlOVUZCUVVGQlIwOWZjRlZaUVhOUmEwRkJFZ1ZGVkRVeE9Sb0xDSlh3QnhBQ0dnTlZVMFE0SEhDVjhBYz0SAggB
ADD-ATL has been added, operating 4x weekly with the 787-9 starting May 16, 2023 per google flights (May 17 for the eastbound flight):
The westbound flight has a 50 min fuel stop in Dublin (DUB).
ADD-DUB: 10:00 PM - 4:20 AM (+1)
DUB-ATL: 5:10 AM - 9:00 AM
ATL-ADD: 10:35 AM - 7:50 AM (+1)
Is ATL a new destination for them or is this a seasonal resumption of some sort?
raylee67 wrote:ATL really comes out of the blue. There are no partners at ATL to provide connection for the flight. ET is entirely on its own. So ET sees enough traffic between Atlanta and East Africa to warrant this? I would have guess ET would resume IAH first if it is flying to southern US, to make use of UA's hub there.rutankrd wrote:
Dublin isn’t a scissor hub or any hub it’s purely a one direction tech and security stop in the middle of the night
Right now all east bound are none stop to Addis whilst Dublins own flights to Addis Ababa remain suspended
So they are not able to go thru US pre-clearance at DUB then? I suppose US immigration is closed at the time they arrive and depart at DUB? If they can do the US entry clearance there, it would be a real plus for the passengers.
usflyer msp wrote:The only flight that stopped in DUB both ways was LAX and that was suspended before COVID.
rutankrd wrote:smi0006 wrote:Upto three flights arrive within minutes of each other refuel check US entry validation and continue West .No transfer of passengers are scheduledTWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
How big is the DUB scissor hub? Reminds me of 9W at AMS.
I doubt they would open a crew base, I’m sure whilst accommodation is pricey - labour in Ethiopia would still be cheaper that Ireland, plus I’m sure they want to keep jobs in Ethiopia.
Love to fly with them one day! Hope they one day open up MEL!
Spiderguy252 wrote:Why does ET use DUB as a tech stop? Do their aircraft not have the range to fly non-stop to the US?
YYZflyboy wrote:If the 777-9 has the extra bit of range to offset the high altitude and make it non-stop, it might be worth going for.
IrishAyes wrote:how come Ethiopian is able to fly nonstop to São Paulo? Granted, the flight currently in the air from Addis Ababa to São Paulo is diverting to Kinshasa (ET506)
TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
LAXdude1023 wrote:TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
The talk of ET adding DEN is a joke. That isn’t realistic.
IAH-West Africa is a massive market. IAH-East Africa is a tiny market. ET has shied away from West Africa through connections recently and adding IAH-ADD direct would be a waste.
Congrats to ATL!
behramjee wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
The talk of ET adding DEN is a joke. That isn’t realistic.
IAH-West Africa is a massive market. IAH-East Africa is a tiny market. ET has shied away from West Africa through connections recently and adding IAH-ADD direct would be a waste.
Congrats to ATL!
Just to clear the air...IAH-West Africa is not a massive market at all.
IAH-LOS is the only market segment in 'West Africa' that has more than 15,000 annual round trip pax. Lagos-Houston-Lagos was 65,000 round trip pax in 2019. Abuja came in second with 11K pax whilst Accra was third having 9,000 pax.
In fact the top 5 IAH-Africa market segments in 2019 were as follows:
LOS 65K
CAI 21K
JNB 16K
NBO 15K
ABV 11K
LAXdude1023 wrote:behramjee wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:
The talk of ET adding DEN is a joke. That isn’t realistic.
IAH-West Africa is a massive market. IAH-East Africa is a tiny market. ET has shied away from West Africa through connections recently and adding IAH-ADD direct would be a waste.
Congrats to ATL!
Just to clear the air...IAH-West Africa is not a massive market at all.
IAH-LOS is the only market segment in 'West Africa' that has more than 15,000 annual round trip pax. Lagos-Houston-Lagos was 65,000 round trip pax in 2019. Abuja came in second with 11K pax whilst Accra was third having 9,000 pax.
In fact the top 5 IAH-Africa market segments in 2019 were as follows:
LOS 65K
CAI 21K
JNB 16K
NBO 15K
ABV 11K
I should have specified IAH-Nigeria which qualifies as massive IMO. You are right that it isn’t all of west Africa.
That said, my point was that flying IAH-Africa depends on West Africa geographically. That a flight from IAH to ADD directly would be a waste.
behramjee wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:behramjee wrote:
Just to clear the air...IAH-West Africa is not a massive market at all.
IAH-LOS is the only market segment in 'West Africa' that has more than 15,000 annual round trip pax. Lagos-Houston-Lagos was 65,000 round trip pax in 2019. Abuja came in second with 11K pax whilst Accra was third having 9,000 pax.
In fact the top 5 IAH-Africa market segments in 2019 were as follows:
LOS 65K
CAI 21K
JNB 16K
NBO 15K
ABV 11K
I should have specified IAH-Nigeria which qualifies as massive IMO. You are right that it isn’t all of west Africa.
That said, my point was that flying IAH-Africa depends on West Africa geographically. That a flight from IAH to ADD directly would be a waste.
I doubt that even IAH-ADD would be able to fly nonstop with a full payload (including 2pc luggage per pax) under normal conditions as the block time is 16:50 hours.
FLYKTPA wrote:Idk why people are surprised about this... Ethiopian's CEO teased ATL last year in September, saying it was under consideration at a conference, the comment then cycled through aviation Twitter. Some airline CEOs are a lot more vocal about future expansion than you think... Turkish's CEO is a great example.
Hopefully, the local market + connections and business traffic are enough to keep it going.
BA744PHX wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:Idk why people are surprised about this... Ethiopian's CEO teased ATL last year in September, saying it was under consideration at a conference, the comment then cycled through aviation Twitter. Some airline CEOs are a lot more vocal about future expansion than you think... Turkish's CEO is a great example.
Hopefully, the local market + connections and business traffic are enough to keep it going.
In Turkey, by law they have to announce any potential future destination, so its not a matter of being vocal, its law
TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
IrishAyes wrote:how come Ethiopian is able to fly nonstop to São Paulo? Granted, the flight currently in the air from Addis Ababa to São Paulo is diverting to Kinshasa (ET506)
raylee67 wrote:ATL really comes out of the blue. There are no partners at ATL to provide connection for the flight. ET is entirely on its own. So ET sees enough traffic between Atlanta and East Africa to warrant this? I would have guess ET would resume IAH first if it is flying to southern US, to make use of UA's hub there.rutankrd wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:TWA772LR wrote:Man that came out of nowhere. In their respective threads, the ET talk was potential service to DEN and a resumption of IAH. Still cool to see surprises like this, I wish them well.
OT, but with DUB becoming a good sized scissor hub from them, would ET consider establishing a crew base there?
The talk of ET adding DEN is a joke. That isn’t realistic.
IAH-West Africa is a massive market. IAH-East Africa is a tiny market. ET has shied away from West Africa through connections recently and adding IAH-ADD direct would be a waste.
Congrats to ATL!
berari wrote:Crew that get on at ADD deplane at DUB and stay overnight, while the crew that flew in the day before takes the plane on to the North American destination. The crew that flew in from DUB the day before then takes the plane nonstop to ADD.
jbs2886 wrote:berari wrote:Crew that get on at ADD deplane at DUB and stay overnight, while the crew that flew in the day before takes the plane on to the North American destination. The crew that flew in from DUB the day before then takes the plane nonstop to ADD.
Wow so up to three flights’ crew takes the nonstop back to ADD? That’s a lot of seats being used for crew.
FLYKTPA wrote:Idk why people are surprised about this... Ethiopian's CEO teased ATL last year in September, saying it was under consideration at a conference, the comment then cycled through aviation Twitter. Some airline CEOs are a lot more vocal about future expansion than you think... Turkish's CEO is a great example.
Hopefully, the local market + connections and business traffic are enough to keep it going.
yoshoward12 wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:Idk why people are surprised about this... Ethiopian's CEO teased ATL last year in September, saying it was under consideration at a conference, the comment then cycled through aviation Twitter. Some airline CEOs are a lot more vocal about future expansion than you think... Turkish's CEO is a great example.
Hopefully, the local market + connections and business traffic are enough to keep it going.
Exactly. Ethiopian has teased a few destinations. Houston has been mentioned a lot, by many, but ORD in essence does what IAH did. I recently flew from ORD-ADD and it was full of pax connecting to Abuja and Lagos. I feel like there are more important network additions, and ATL was one of them. They name dropped Amsterdam and Montreal as well.
I am hoping AMS resumes soon (was on the schedule early last year but was dropped) as a one stop somewhere. They definitely can make it work.
As far as new US additions, Ethiopian is basically covering what they need, with flights to JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, and now ATL. Now what new European destinations besides Amsterdam could be coming?
LAXdude1023 wrote:yoshoward12 wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:Idk why people are surprised about this... Ethiopian's CEO teased ATL last year in September, saying it was under consideration at a conference, the comment then cycled through aviation Twitter. Some airline CEOs are a lot more vocal about future expansion than you think... Turkish's CEO is a great example.
Hopefully, the local market + connections and business traffic are enough to keep it going.
Exactly. Ethiopian has teased a few destinations. Houston has been mentioned a lot, by many, but ORD in essence does what IAH did. I recently flew from ORD-ADD and it was full of pax connecting to Abuja and Lagos. I feel like there are more important network additions, and ATL was one of them. They name dropped Amsterdam and Montreal as well.
I am hoping AMS resumes soon (was on the schedule early last year but was dropped) as a one stop somewhere. They definitely can make it work.
As far as new US additions, Ethiopian is basically covering what they need, with flights to JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, and now ATL. Now what new European destinations besides Amsterdam could be coming?
ORD does not cover what Houston does at all. ORD doesn’t have high fares and a huge market to a specific place like Houston does to Nigeria.
ORD does have better connections and more of a market to East Africa. You can say it was right to keep ORD and drop IAH (and given their desire to focus on east Africa and not west Africa I’d agree), but to say they are serving the same purpose is completely wrong.
Boeing757100 wrote:Could they potentially be trying to get a stab at the India market? India based travel is somewhat strong out of ATL, and besides, from ADD, ET serves BOM/MAA/DEL/BLR. Maybe trying to break the current stronghold in the market that is QR. It certainly gives us more options for ATL-India travel.
3D101CA wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:Could they potentially be trying to get a stab at the India market? India based travel is somewhat strong out of ATL, and besides, from ADD, ET serves BOM/MAA/DEL/BLR. Maybe trying to break the current stronghold in the market that is QR. It certainly gives us more options for ATL-India travel.
Not really, looking at the current ADD-India flights, none of them depart from the first major morning bank of departures for ET. You would arrive in the early morning from ATL into ADD, and have to wait until the late afternoon/evening hours to connect onwards to BOM/DEL. Return flights from India to ADD do not connect into the night departure bank from ADD to North America.
yoshoward12 wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:yoshoward12 wrote:
Exactly. Ethiopian has teased a few destinations. Houston has been mentioned a lot, by many, but ORD in essence does what IAH did. I recently flew from ORD-ADD and it was full of pax connecting to Abuja and Lagos. I feel like there are more important network additions, and ATL was one of them. They name dropped Amsterdam and Montreal as well.
I am hoping AMS resumes soon (was on the schedule early last year but was dropped) as a one stop somewhere. They definitely can make it work.
As far as new US additions, Ethiopian is basically covering what they need, with flights to JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, and now ATL. Now what new European destinations besides Amsterdam could be coming?
ORD does not cover what Houston does at all. ORD doesn’t have high fares and a huge market to a specific place like Houston does to Nigeria.
ORD does have better connections and more of a market to East Africa. You can say it was right to keep ORD and drop IAH (and given their desire to focus on east Africa and not west Africa I’d agree), but to say they are serving the same purpose is completely wrong.
Its not wrong. If someone is flying from lets say Denver to Lagos, and on Ethiopian, and the connection is in ADD via ORD, or IAH via LFW, although its backtracking, it does serve the same purpose. That’s one of the reasons why it was dropped. Two Star Alliance hubs in relatively similar geographic locations, in the middle of the country. IAH would have returned much sooner, and it is shown that ET pax are willing to backtrack when connecting in ORD and ADD. Everyone loves to harp on this IAH-LOS connection, but ET seems in no rush to bring it back, and United has not reinstated it. Despite ADD being so far east, it is better utilization of the aircraft in that particular market to not bring it to LFW.
The routing was much different but for many, yes, it serves the same purpose and there are numbers to back that, due to the backtracking. People flying to Africa care about low fares and as long as its not outrageous, they will connect somewhere as east as ADD, therefore eliminating the importance of IAH. Besides, I believe ORD has similar yields anyways.
I see what you were trying to say, but as I stated before, as a centrally located Star Alliance hub, ORD just does the job.
https://simpleflying.com/where-ethiopia ... engers-go/
FlyingSicilian wrote:yoshoward12 wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:
ORD does not cover what Houston does at all. ORD doesn’t have high fares and a huge market to a specific place like Houston does to Nigeria.
ORD does have better connections and more of a market to East Africa. You can say it was right to keep ORD and drop IAH (and given their desire to focus on east Africa and not west Africa I’d agree), but to say they are serving the same purpose is completely wrong.
Its not wrong. If someone is flying from lets say Denver to Lagos, and on Ethiopian, and the connection is in ADD via ORD, or IAH via LFW, although its backtracking, it does serve the same purpose. That’s one of the reasons why it was dropped. Two Star Alliance hubs in relatively similar geographic locations, in the middle of the country. IAH would have returned much sooner, and it is shown that ET pax are willing to backtrack when connecting in ORD and ADD. Everyone loves to harp on this IAH-LOS connection, but ET seems in no rush to bring it back, and United has not reinstated it. Despite ADD being so far east, it is better utilization of the aircraft in that particular market to not bring it to LFW.
The routing was much different but for many, yes, it serves the same purpose and there are numbers to back that, due to the backtracking. People flying to Africa care about low fares and as long as its not outrageous, they will connect somewhere as east as ADD, therefore eliminating the importance of IAH. Besides, I believe ORD has similar yields anyways.
I see what you were trying to say, but as I stated before, as a centrally located Star Alliance hub, ORD just does the job.
https://simpleflying.com/where-ethiopia ... engers-go/
The flights to IAH were not for connections, and Ethiopian still has it on their webpage listed as a future destination along with Lisbon and a couple of others. Chicago does nothing for the high value IAH traffic. The LOS flight was pulled due to money flow problems out of Nigeria at the time. There is talk of the Houston express restarting at Son to Luanda. Regardless that ia different flow and demand but ORD is a completely different animal.
As for the topic , surprised a smidge but not knocked out of my chair or anything. ATL is a different strategy than IAH or ORD would be.
FlyingSicilian wrote:yoshoward12 wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:
ORD does not cover what Houston does at all. ORD doesn’t have high fares and a huge market to a specific place like Houston does to Nigeria.
ORD does have better connections and more of a market to East Africa. You can say it was right to keep ORD and drop IAH (and given their desire to focus on east Africa and not west Africa I’d agree), but to say they are serving the same purpose is completely wrong.
Its not wrong. If someone is flying from lets say Denver to Lagos, and on Ethiopian, and the connection is in ADD via ORD, or IAH via LFW, although its backtracking, it does serve the same purpose. That’s one of the reasons why it was dropped. Two Star Alliance hubs in relatively similar geographic locations, in the middle of the country. IAH would have returned much sooner, and it is shown that ET pax are willing to backtrack when connecting in ORD and ADD. Everyone loves to harp on this IAH-LOS connection, but ET seems in no rush to bring it back, and United has not reinstated it. Despite ADD being so far east, it is better utilization of the aircraft in that particular market to not bring it to LFW.
The routing was much different but for many, yes, it serves the same purpose and there are numbers to back that, due to the backtracking. People flying to Africa care about low fares and as long as its not outrageous, they will connect somewhere as east as ADD, therefore eliminating the importance of IAH. Besides, I believe ORD has similar yields anyways.
I see what you were trying to say, but as I stated before, as a centrally located Star Alliance hub, ORD just does the job.
https://simpleflying.com/where-ethiopia ... engers-go/
The flights to IAH were not for connections, and Ethiopian still has it on their webpage listed as a future destination along with Lisbon and a couple of others. Chicago does nothing for the high value IAH traffic. The LOS flight was pulled due to money flow problems out of Nigeria at the time. There is talk of the Houston express restarting at Son to Luanda. Regardless that ia different flow and demand but ORD is a completely different animal.
As for the topic , surprised a smidge but not knocked out of my chair or anything. ATL is a different strategy than IAH or ORD would be.
phatfarmlines wrote:This doesn't make sense. An intermediate stop in West Africa with fifth freedom rights would have made alot more sense. Much larger West African population (and more importantly, stronger cultural ties with African Americans as they go on ancestral discovery trips) in Atlanta than East African.
onwFan wrote:Now, this is interesting. UA should be thrilled!
According to the article below, “A source from Ethiopian Airlines told Aviation Week Network on Jan. 13 that the carrier is working on reaching a codeshare agreement with Delta.”
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... codeshare/
onwFan wrote:According to the article below, “A source from Ethiopian Airlines told Aviation Week Network on Jan. 13 that the carrier is working on reaching a codeshare agreement with Delta.”
behramjee wrote:AC4500 wrote:https://www.google.com/travel/flights/booking?tfs=CBwQAhppagcIARIDQUREEgoyMDIzLTA1LTE2cgcIARIDQVRMIh8KA0FERBIKMjAyMy0wNS0xNhoDRFVCKgJFVDIDNTE4Ih8KA0RVQhIKMjAyMy0wNS0xNxoDQVRMKgJFVDIDNTE4MgJFVHoDRFVCGkhqBwgBEgNBVEwSCjIwMjMtMDUtMTdyBwgBEgNBREQiHwoDQVRMEgoyMDIzLTA1LTE3GgNBREQqAkVUMgM1MTkyAkVUegNEVUJwAYIBCwj___________8BQAFIAZgBAQ&tfu=CmxDalJJYzNveVduaFlkRmt6ZVRCQlJIWmFNV2RDUnkwdExTMHRMUzB0Y0daaVkzQXlOVUZCUVVGQlIwOWZjRlZaUVhOUmEwRkJFZ1ZGVkRVeE9Sb0xDSlh3QnhBQ0dnTlZVMFE0SEhDVjhBYz0SAggB
ADD-ATL has been added, operating 4x weekly with the 787-9 starting May 16, 2023 per google flights (May 17 for the eastbound flight):
The westbound flight has a 50 min fuel stop in Dublin (DUB).
ADD-DUB: 10:00 PM - 4:20 AM (+1)
DUB-ATL: 5:10 AM - 9:00 AM
ATL-ADD: 10:35 AM - 7:50 AM (+1)
Is ATL a new destination for them or is this a seasonal resumption of some sort?
I can confirm that ET's new ATL flights are now showing available for sale across major GDS systems as well as on ET's website.
Pre-covid, the annual demand to/from major African cities for ATL were as follows:
LOS 29K
JNB 28K
NBO 20K
ADD 14K
ACC 12K
CPT 10K
EBB 6K
DAR 3K
FIH 2K
DLA 2K
Currently from ATL, DL flies nonstop to LOS JNB and CPT so these 3 market segments will be difficult for ET to penetrate. Their primary focus would be East Africa but the volume isnt there.
hohd wrote:raylee67 wrote:ATL really comes out of the blue. There are no partners at ATL to provide connection for the flight. ET is entirely on its own. So ET sees enough traffic between Atlanta and East Africa to warrant this? I would have guess ET would resume IAH first if it is flying to southern US, to make use of UA's hub there.
At IAH, ET was all alone. UA does not play well with other Star partners and in fact views them as competitors. ET can hope to get some UA FFP's on their reward flights or maybe some one might fly ET to go to East Africa or India, instead of some other Star carrier, if the price is right.
LAXdude1023 wrote:ORD does not cover what Houston does at all. ORD doesn’t have high fares and a huge market to a specific place like Houston does to Nigeria.
ORD does have better connections and more of a market to East Africa. You can say it was right to keep ORD and drop IAH (and given their desire to focus on east Africa and not west Africa I’d agree), but to say they are serving the same purpose is completely wrong.
3D101CA wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:Could they potentially be trying to get a stab at the India market? India based travel is somewhat strong out of ATL, and besides, from ADD, ET serves BOM/MAA/DEL/BLR. Maybe trying to break the current stronghold in the market that is QR. It certainly gives us more options for ATL-India travel.
Not really, looking at the current ADD-India flights, none of them depart from the first major morning bank of departures for ET. You would arrive in the early morning from ATL into ADD, and have to wait until the late afternoon/evening hours to connect onwards to BOM/DEL. Return flights from India to ADD do not connect into the night departure bank from ADD to North America.
3D101CA wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:Could they potentially be trying to get a stab at the India market? India based travel is somewhat strong out of ATL, and besides, from ADD, ET serves BOM/MAA/DEL/BLR. Maybe trying to break the current stronghold in the market that is QR. It certainly gives us more options for ATL-India travel.
Not really, looking at the current ADD-India flights, none of them depart from the first major morning bank of departures for ET. You would arrive in the early morning from ATL into ADD, and have to wait until the late afternoon/evening hours to connect onwards to BOM/DEL. Return flights from India to ADD do not connect into the night departure bank from ADD to North America.
berari wrote:hohd wrote:raylee67 wrote:ATL really comes out of the blue. There are no partners at ATL to provide connection for the flight. ET is entirely on its own. So ET sees enough traffic between Atlanta and East Africa to warrant this? I would have guess ET would resume IAH first if it is flying to southern US, to make use of UA's hub there.
At IAH, ET was all alone. UA does not play well with other Star partners and in fact views them as competitors. ET can hope to get some UA FFP's on their reward flights or maybe some one might fly ET to go to East Africa or India, instead of some other Star carrier, if the price is right.
At North American points, Ethiopian’s fare rules and routings call for UA and AC feeding their flights. Some US originating fares also call for connecting in YYZ. In the US, I also see AS being used as a feeder from the west coast via ORD in addition to UA. Internlines are filling their planes, with ORD having grown the quickest to daily out of all of ET’s North American gateways. So it’s not at it alone, ET even (or used to) codeshare it’s UA to USA cities out of ORD and IAD.
With Atlanta, I expect Ethiopian to pull the southeast USA traffic that cannot make a same morning connection at ORD or IAD.LAXdude1023 wrote:ORD does not cover what Houston does at all. ORD doesn’t have high fares and a huge market to a specific place like Houston does to Nigeria.
ORD does have better connections and more of a market to East Africa. You can say it was right to keep ORD and drop IAH (and given their desire to focus on east Africa and not west Africa I’d agree), but to say they are serving the same purpose is completely wrong.
Yet even UA is not going to Africa from Houston. Both UA and ET are not rushing to get to it, and ET has since gone daily to ORD. ET was not solely looking for IAH traffic, and makes its $ through connections at UA hubs. If the high fares and all you speak of were material, Ethiopian would have parked an aircraft there for 22 hours to make it meet the LFW banks because it can.3D101CA wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:Could they potentially be trying to get a stab at the India market? India based travel is somewhat strong out of ATL, and besides, from ADD, ET serves BOM/MAA/DEL/BLR. Maybe trying to break the current stronghold in the market that is QR. It certainly gives us more options for ATL-India travel.
Not really, looking at the current ADD-India flights, none of them depart from the first major morning bank of departures for ET. You would arrive in the early morning from ATL into ADD, and have to wait until the late afternoon/evening hours to connect onwards to BOM/DEL. Return flights from India to ADD do not connect into the night departure bank from ADD to North America.
However inconvenient it is, the Indian market does use Ethiopian to flights to North America. I am aware of overnight stays at ADD for this. It wouldn’t be high yields however. I believe ET has the desire to get more rights into India.