JJWess wrote:

Maybe they’ll surprise us and launch AKL-ORD instead?

SCFlyer wrote:

JJWess wrote:

Maybe they’ll surprise us and launch AKL-ORD instead?

Plausible, though I'd say a 30/70 chance of that.
Hypothetically if ORD via AKL does happen, it would have to be timed to form a scissor hub operation in AKL.

BNE, ADL and regional Queensland (CNS or OOL) would also have to be timed into AKL to feed to JFK or ORD.

tullamarine wrote:

Currently in lounge at SYD and OQL is just departing as QF6013. No idea where it is heading. It only arrived from AUH on the weekend and according to this thread it hasn't been refitted. Maybe going to somewhere in Asia for cabin refit or maybe just a test flight?

tullamarine wrote:

Currently in lounge at SYD and OQL is just departing as QF6013. No idea where it is heading. It only arrived from AUH on the weekend and according to this thread it hasn't been refitted. Maybe going to somewhere in Asia for cabin refit or maybe just a test flight?

qf789 wrote:

tullamarine wrote:

Currently in lounge at SYD and OQL is just departing as QF6013. No idea where it is heading. It only arrived from AUH on the weekend and according to this thread it hasn't been refitted. Maybe going to somewhere in Asia for cabin refit or maybe just a test flight?

According to FR24 its going to BNE

SCFlyer wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

kriskim wrote:

Considering that BNE is no longer a 787 base, the flight will need to originate from MEL or SYD to rotate the aircraft through.

A 3 weekly service can use the same 789 and position it weekly from SYD/MEL.

If QF (finally decides) to operate BNE-ORD. It could probably operate like this.

SYD-BNE-ORD (Depart SYD/BNE: Mon Arr ORD: Mon)
ORD-BNE (Dep ORD: Mon Arr BNE: Wed)
BNE-ORD (Depart BNE: Wed: Arr ORD: Wed)
ORD-BNE (Depart ORD: Wed: Arr BNE: Fri)
BNE-ORD (Depart BNE: Fri: Arr ORD: Fri)
ORD-BNE-SYD (Depart ORD: Fri, Arr BNE/SYD: Sun)

Summary:
SYD-BNE-ORD: 1 Weekly
BNE-ORD: 2 weekly
ORD-BNE: 2 weekly
ORD-BNE-SYD: 1 weekly.

All just require the 1 789 to be rotated from SYD into the BNE-ORD route.

QF744ER wrote:

I notice QF43/44 SYD-DPS-SYD has been downgraded to a 738 from a A332, guessing to do this is with seat allocations on Indo services.

Looking at the schedules shows there quite a bit of slack in the A332 rotations, especially on weekends. The aircraft that operates QF55/56 sits on the ground in PER for 2 days at a time in-between PER-JNB-PER rotations.

F100Flyer wrote:

QF744ER wrote:

I notice QF43/44 SYD-DPS-SYD has been downgraded to a 738 from a A332, guessing to do this is with seat allocations on Indo services.

Looking at the schedules shows there quite a bit of slack in the A332 rotations, especially on weekends. The aircraft that operates QF55/56 sits on the ground in PER for 2 days at a time in-between PER-JNB-PER rotations.

The QF65/66 A332 sits on the ground in PER and remains there on the days where the flights are 2 days apart, i.e. lands as QF66, sits overnight and operates the QF65 to JNB again (~25hrs later). But on the days where it's 3 days apart, the aircraft is repositioned to the east coast the majority of the time.

jrfspa320 wrote:

F100Flyer wrote:

QF744ER wrote:

I notice QF43/44 SYD-DPS-SYD has been downgraded to a 738 from a A332, guessing to do this is with seat allocations on Indo services.

Looking at the schedules shows there quite a bit of slack in the A332 rotations, especially on weekends. The aircraft that operates QF55/56 sits on the ground in PER for 2 days at a time in-between PER-JNB-PER rotations.

The QF65/66 A332 sits on the ground in PER and remains there on the days where the flights are 2 days apart, i.e. lands as QF66, sits overnight and operates the QF65 to JNB again (~25hrs later). But on the days where it's 3 days apart, the aircraft is repositioned to the east coast the majority of the time.

Even 25 hours apart would give time for some tranccon flights, seems strange to have it sit there.

sweetdreams wrote:

just saw a price comparison of Bonza vs Qantaslink

MCY/ABX/MCY vs BNE/ABX/BNE in early september. Bonza was $400 cheaper for every person inc checked baggage. Many will drive a long way to save that much money.

BNEFlyer wrote:

sweetdreams wrote:

just saw a price comparison of Bonza vs Qantaslink

MCY/ABX/MCY vs BNE/ABX/BNE in early september. Bonza was $400 cheaper for every person inc checked baggage. Many will drive a long way to save that much money.

I did consider if doing MCY-ABX and then getting picked up from ABX would be worthwhile compared to flying BNE-WGA, and I have to say (for me) I'm ok paying the extra to save the hassle of driving to MCY then having someone drive 90 minutes to ABX to collect me and drop me off again.

For people in Brisbane to drive up to MCY and take Bonza, the price would need to be VERY competitive. A $400 saving is quite good.

Velocity7 wrote:

LTEN11 wrote:

QF744ER wrote:

Reports are both crew have survived and are receiving medical treatment.

That's the important news.

Not hearing anything on the news locally about this this morning?

Juan Brown's channel already has some info up. I really like this guy - he's a UA 777 pilot and I find his YouTube channel really interesting, no sensationalism, just the info as we know it

https://youtu.be/rVd4KwoqXhg

YSSYplanespoter wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

LTEN11 wrote:

That's the important news.

Not hearing anything on the news locally about this this morning?

Juan Brown's channel already has some info up. I really like this guy - he's a UA 777 pilot and I find his YouTube channel really interesting, no sensationalism, just the info as we know it

https://youtu.be/rVd4KwoqXhg

Every news channel has been like that today. Very odd. It's not like an airliner has just crashed in the country.

sweetdreams wrote:

just saw a price comparison of Bonza vs Qantaslink

MCY/ABX/MCY vs BNE/ABX/BNE in early september. Bonza was $400 cheaper for every person inc checked baggage. Many will drive a long way to save that much money.

qf2220 wrote:

jrfspa320 wrote:

F100Flyer wrote:

The QF65/66 A332 sits on the ground in PER and remains there on the days where the flights are 2 days apart, i.e. lands as QF66, sits overnight and operates the QF65 to JNB again (~25hrs later). But on the days where it's 3 days apart, the aircraft is repositioned to the east coast the majority of the time.

Even 25 hours apart would give time for some tranccon flights, seems strange to have it sit there.

25 hours would be plenty for a PER-AKL return.

SCFlyer wrote:

JJWess wrote:

Maybe they’ll surprise us and launch AKL-ORD instead?

Plausible, though I'd say a 30/70 chance of that.
Hypothetically if ORD via AKL does happen, it would have to be timed to form a scissor hub operation in AKL.

BNE, ADL and regional Queensland (CNS or OOL) would also have to be timed into AKL to feed to JFK or ORD.

zkncj wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

JJWess wrote:

Maybe they’ll surprise us and launch AKL-ORD instead?

Plausible, though I'd say a 30/70 chance of that.
Hypothetically if ORD via AKL does happen, it would have to be timed to form a scissor hub operation in AKL.

BNE, ADL and regional Queensland (CNS or OOL) would also have to be timed into AKL to feed to JFK or ORD.

They are currently rebuilding the AKL Business Longe and expanding it to a much larger seat count.

When they launched AKL-JFK, they hinted an more routes to/from AKL.

QF would be well aware of the dominance NZ currently has on the NZ-North American market.

NZ has from AKL-LAX/SFO/IAH/ORD/JFK/HNL/YVR.

Surely QF wants to get there hands on some of that market.

dredgy wrote:

sweetdreams wrote:

just saw a price comparison of Bonza vs Qantaslink

MCY/ABX/MCY vs BNE/ABX/BNE in early september. Bonza was $400 cheaper for every person inc checked baggage. Many will drive a long way to save that much money.

Yeah similar to ROK. I live in central Brisbane and it came out cheaper for me to Uber to Maroochydore on some dates. I will absolutely deal with the pain in the ass that is doing that on public transport for those prices.

EK413 wrote:

OQL is doing tech crew training flights as mentioned QF6013 & QF6014.

Other news JQ B787’s playing up again.

JQ57/44 BNE-DPS-MEL +24hr delay
JQ1/2 MEL-HNL-MEL +24hr delay
JQ61/62 SYD-SGN-SYD +24hr delay
JQ7/8 MEL-SIN-MEL +24hr delay

Any idea why JQ B787’s in particular breakdown on a regular basis?


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smi0006 wrote:

dredgy wrote:

sweetdreams wrote:

just saw a price comparison of Bonza vs Qantaslink

MCY/ABX/MCY vs BNE/ABX/BNE in early september. Bonza was $400 cheaper for every person inc checked baggage. Many will drive a long way to save that much money.

Yeah similar to ROK. I live in central Brisbane and it came out cheaper for me to Uber to Maroochydore on some dates. I will absolutely deal with the pain in the ass that is doing that on public transport for those prices.

All cheaper until there is a disrupt their recovery will be worse than JQ!!

smi0006 wrote:

dredgy wrote:

sweetdreams wrote:

just saw a price comparison of Bonza vs Qantaslink

MCY/ABX/MCY vs BNE/ABX/BNE in early september. Bonza was $400 cheaper for every person inc checked baggage. Many will drive a long way to save that much money.

Yeah similar to ROK. I live in central Brisbane and it came out cheaper for me to Uber to Maroochydore on some dates. I will absolutely deal with the pain in the ass that is doing that on public transport for those prices.

All cheaper until there is a disrupt their recovery will be worse than JQ!!

SCFlyer wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

dredgy wrote:

Yeah similar to ROK. I live in central Brisbane and it came out cheaper for me to Uber to Maroochydore on some dates. I will absolutely deal with the pain in the ass that is doing that on public transport for those prices.

All cheaper until there is a disrupt their recovery will be worse than JQ!!

AB did mention they'll be keeping 1 737-8 as a 'spare' when the fleet ramps up before the end of this year, iirc.

SCFlyer wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

dredgy wrote:

Yeah similar to ROK. I live in central Brisbane and it came out cheaper for me to Uber to Maroochydore on some dates. I will absolutely deal with the pain in the ass that is doing that on public transport for those prices.

All cheaper until there is a disrupt their recovery will be worse than JQ!!

AB did mention they'll be keeping 1 737-8 as a 'spare' when the fleet ramps up before the end of this year, iirc.

ben175 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

OQL is doing tech crew training flights as mentioned QF6013 & QF6014.

Other news JQ B787’s playing up again.

JQ57/44 BNE-DPS-MEL +24hr delay
JQ1/2 MEL-HNL-MEL +24hr delay
JQ61/62 SYD-SGN-SYD +24hr delay
JQ7/8 MEL-SIN-MEL +24hr delay

Any idea why JQ B787’s in particular breakdown on a regular basis?


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The JQ 787 schedule has absolutely zero wiggle room, meaning as soon as one aircraft goes tech (let alone two or three at once which seems to be increasingly common) it just causes absolute mayhem.

I guess planes make more money in the air, but the sheer scale of constant operational failures in the international network is just laughable.

getluv wrote:

ben175 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

OQL is doing tech crew training flights as mentioned QF6013 & QF6014.

Other news JQ B787’s playing up again.

JQ57/44 BNE-DPS-MEL +24hr delay
JQ1/2 MEL-HNL-MEL +24hr delay
JQ61/62 SYD-SGN-SYD +24hr delay
JQ7/8 MEL-SIN-MEL +24hr delay

Any idea why JQ B787’s in particular breakdown on a regular basis?


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The JQ 787 schedule has absolutely zero wiggle room, meaning as soon as one aircraft goes tech (let alone two or three at once which seems to be increasingly common) it just causes absolute mayhem.

I guess planes make more money in the air, but the sheer scale of constant operational failures in the international network is just laughable.

I would be very surprised if the B787-8s are still going to be in JQ colours after their D-checks as they will be due once the JQ XLRs start arriving. The 787s are near their half life and D-checks around the corner so QF must be at the decision point at what to do with these JQ 787s.

getluv wrote:

ben175 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

OQL is doing tech crew training flights as mentioned QF6013 & QF6014.

Other news JQ B787’s playing up again.

JQ57/44 BNE-DPS-MEL +24hr delay
JQ1/2 MEL-HNL-MEL +24hr delay
JQ61/62 SYD-SGN-SYD +24hr delay
JQ7/8 MEL-SIN-MEL +24hr delay

Any idea why JQ B787’s in particular breakdown on a regular basis?


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The JQ 787 schedule has absolutely zero wiggle room, meaning as soon as one aircraft goes tech (let alone two or three at once which seems to be increasingly common) it just causes absolute mayhem.

I guess planes make more money in the air, but the sheer scale of constant operational failures in the international network is just laughable.

I would be very surprised if the B787-8s are still going to be in JQ colours after their D-checks as they will be due once the JQ XLRs start arriving. The 787s are near their half life and D-checks around the corner so QF must be at the decision point at what to do with these JQ 787s.

tullamarine wrote:

getluv wrote:

ben175 wrote:

The JQ 787 schedule has absolutely zero wiggle room, meaning as soon as one aircraft goes tech (let alone two or three at once which seems to be increasingly common) it just causes absolute mayhem.

I guess planes make more money in the air, but the sheer scale of constant operational failures in the international network is just laughable.

I would be very surprised if the B787-8s are still going to be in JQ colours after their D-checks as they will be due once the JQ XLRs start arriving. The 787s are near their half life and D-checks around the corner so QF must be at the decision point at what to do with these JQ 787s.

It's been speculated for so long, who knows?

It will be interesting to see if the Business Class Suites being removed from EBE are being saved for possible refit onto 788s. By my calculations, they could fit the same number of J class suites between Doors 1 and 2 on the 788 that are currently fitted to the A332s.

Assuming no extra legroom being offered in Y, the capacity in Y on a QF 788 (following Door 2) would be about the same as currently available on an A333.

Velocity7 wrote:

Could we see 332's back at JQ? Even a small fleet if the 788's did depart?

Velocity7 wrote:

Could we see 332's back at JQ? Even a small fleet if the 788's did depart?

getluv wrote:

With the exception of MEL-HNL which is just outside the XLRs limits in a 244-seat economy only config, all of JQ’s 787 routes are replaceable by XLRs, in the case of the DPS routes even the neos can do this comfortably.

As we’ve seen continuously over the past few months, the 787s are causing JQ so many headaches.

There’ll be still a net gain in capacity if JQ replaces all 11 788s with the 20 XLRs.

There are so many operational and commercial benefits for the 788s to go to QF, and JQ sticking with one common type of aircraft that they’ll be stupid not to be considering this.

EK413 wrote:

getluv wrote:

With the exception of MEL-HNL which is just outside the XLRs limits in a 244-seat economy only config, all of JQ’s 787 routes are replaceable by XLRs, in the case of the DPS routes even the neos can do this comfortably.

As we’ve seen continuously over the past few months, the 787s are causing JQ so many headaches.

There’ll be still a net gain in capacity if JQ replaces all 11 788s with the 20 XLRs.

There are so many operational and commercial benefits for the 788s to go to QF, and JQ sticking with one common type of aircraft that they’ll be stupid not to be considering this.

Exactly

A number of JQ B788 routes operate wing to wing with QF mainline such as SYD-HNL, SYD-ICN, SYD-HNL.

The remaining routes MEL/SYD-HKT, MEL-BKK, MEL/SYD-SGN, MEL-SIN, are within range of the XLR’s OR probably QF could take over routes such as MEL-HNL.


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RyanairGuru wrote:

I don’t want to sound elitist, but Hawaii is rapidly moving beyond the reach of Jetstar’s demographic with AUD under 70 US cents. I’m sure HNL will hang around while they still have 787s, but don’t think that keeping the 787s and/or replacing them with something else that can make HNL would be as much of a priority as ir would have been a few years ago.

Given the cost savings to Jetstar (viewed in isolation) from a single fleet, coupled with the group-wide capital saving of moving those to Qantas rather than ordering new aircraft, HNL would need to be generating serious profits to justify the cost of keeping those aircraft at Jetstar. I really doubt HNL could be that lucrative in the current market.

RyanairGuru wrote:

EK413 wrote:

getluv wrote:

With the exception of MEL-HNL which is just outside the XLRs limits in a 244-seat economy only config, all of JQ’s 787 routes are replaceable by XLRs, in the case of the DPS routes even the neos can do this comfortably.

As we’ve seen continuously over the past few months, the 787s are causing JQ so many headaches.

There’ll be still a net gain in capacity if JQ replaces all 11 788s with the 20 XLRs.

There are so many operational and commercial benefits for the 788s to go to QF, and JQ sticking with one common type of aircraft that they’ll be stupid not to be considering this.

Exactly

A number of JQ B788 routes operate wing to wing with QF mainline such as SYD-HNL, SYD-ICN, SYD-HNL.

The remaining routes MEL/SYD-HKT, MEL-BKK, MEL/SYD-SGN, MEL-SIN, are within range of the XLR’s OR probably QF could take over routes such as MEL-HNL.


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I don’t want to sound elitist, but Hawaii is rapidly moving beyond the reach of Jetstar’s demographic with AUD under 70 US cents. I’m sure HNL will hang around while they still have 787s, but don’t think that keeping the 787s and/or replacing them with something else that can make HNL would be as much of a priority as ir would have been a few years ago.

Given the cost savings to Jetstar (viewed in isolation) from a single fleet, coupled with the group-wide capital saving of moving those to Qantas rather than ordering new aircraft, HNL would need to be generating serious profits to justify the cost of keeping those aircraft at Jetstar. I really doubt HNL could be that lucrative in the current market.

RyanairGuru wrote:

EK413 wrote:

getluv wrote:

With the exception of MEL-HNL which is just outside the XLRs limits in a 244-seat economy only config, all of JQ’s 787 routes are replaceable by XLRs, in the case of the DPS routes even the neos can do this comfortably.

As we’ve seen continuously over the past few months, the 787s are causing JQ so many headaches.

There’ll be still a net gain in capacity if JQ replaces all 11 788s with the 20 XLRs.

There are so many operational and commercial benefits for the 788s to go to QF, and JQ sticking with one common type of aircraft that they’ll be stupid not to be considering this.

Exactly

A number of JQ B788 routes operate wing to wing with QF mainline such as SYD-HNL, SYD-ICN, SYD-HNL.

The remaining routes MEL/SYD-HKT, MEL-BKK, MEL/SYD-SGN, MEL-SIN, are within range of the XLR’s OR probably QF could take over routes such as MEL-HNL.


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I don’t want to sound elitist, but Hawaii is rapidly moving beyond the reach of Jetstar’s demographic with AUD under 70 US cents. I’m sure HNL will hang around while they still have 787s, but don’t think that keeping the 787s and/or replacing them with something else that can make HNL would be as much of a priority as ir would have been a few years ago.

Given the cost savings to Jetstar (viewed in isolation) from a single fleet, coupled with the group-wide capital saving of moving those to Qantas rather than ordering new aircraft, HNL would need to be generating serious profits to justify the cost of keeping those aircraft at Jetstar. I really doubt HNL could be that lucrative in the current market.

RyanairGuru wrote:

EK413 wrote:

getluv wrote:

With the exception of MEL-HNL which is just outside the XLRs limits in a 244-seat economy only config, all of JQ’s 787 routes are replaceable by XLRs, in the case of the DPS routes even the neos can do this comfortably.

As we’ve seen continuously over the past few months, the 787s are causing JQ so many headaches.

There’ll be still a net gain in capacity if JQ replaces all 11 788s with the 20 XLRs.

There are so many operational and commercial benefits for the 788s to go to QF, and JQ sticking with one common type of aircraft that they’ll be stupid not to be considering this.

Exactly

A number of JQ B788 routes operate wing to wing with QF mainline such as SYD-HNL, SYD-ICN, SYD-HNL.

The remaining routes MEL/SYD-HKT, MEL-BKK, MEL/SYD-SGN, MEL-SIN, are within range of the XLR’s OR probably QF could take over routes such as MEL-HNL.


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I don’t want to sound elitist, but Hawaii is rapidly moving beyond the reach of Jetstar’s demographic with AUD under 70 US cents. I’m sure HNL will hang around while they still have 787s, but don’t think that keeping the 787s and/or replacing them with something else that can make HNL would be as much of a priority as ir would have been a few years ago.

Given the cost savings to Jetstar (viewed in isolation) from a single fleet, coupled with the group-wide capital saving of moving those to Qantas rather than ordering new aircraft, HNL would need to be generating serious profits to justify the cost of keeping those aircraft at Jetstar. I really doubt HNL could be that lucrative in the current market.

smi0006 wrote:

RyanairGuru wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Exactly

A number of JQ B788 routes operate wing to wing with QF mainline such as SYD-HNL, SYD-ICN, SYD-HNL.

The remaining routes MEL/SYD-HKT, MEL-BKK, MEL/SYD-SGN, MEL-SIN, are within range of the XLR’s OR probably QF could take over routes such as MEL-HNL.


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I don’t want to sound elitist, but Hawaii is rapidly moving beyond the reach of Jetstar’s demographic with AUD under 70 US cents. I’m sure HNL will hang around while they still have 787s, but don’t think that keeping the 787s and/or replacing them with something else that can make HNL would be as much of a priority as ir would have been a few years ago.

Given the cost savings to Jetstar (viewed in isolation) from a single fleet, coupled with the group-wide capital saving of moving those to Qantas rather than ordering new aircraft, HNL would need to be generating serious profits to justify the cost of keeping those aircraft at Jetstar. I really doubt HNL could be that lucrative in the current market.

I would be cautious around savings - I’ve heard multiple examples of ‘group costs’ vs QF / JQ - I believe HNL, BKK, DPS airport managers look after both carriers etc. I’d imagine it’s the same parts pool, and maybe engineering contracts (they would be mad if it wasn’t).

Surely it’s not just HNL - but BKK, NRT, that also require the capacity? Isn’t JQ 788 - 21J 314Y and the 321LR - 232 at nearly 100seats + cargo difference hardly like for like capacity wise. I still see a role for the 788 at JQ, I do wonder what the technical specs are like.

But I do feel QF are at a crunch for capacity, so curious to see what levers they do decide to pull!

NTLDaz wrote:

RyanairGuru wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Exactly

A number of JQ B788 routes operate wing to wing with QF mainline such as SYD-HNL, SYD-ICN, SYD-HNL.

The remaining routes MEL/SYD-HKT, MEL-BKK, MEL/SYD-SGN, MEL-SIN, are within range of the XLR’s OR probably QF could take over routes such as MEL-HNL.


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I don’t want to sound elitist, but Hawaii is rapidly moving beyond the reach of Jetstar’s demographic with AUD under 70 US cents. I’m sure HNL will hang around while they still have 787s, but don’t think that keeping the 787s and/or replacing them with something else that can make HNL would be as much of a priority as ir would have been a few years ago.

Given the cost savings to Jetstar (viewed in isolation) from a single fleet, coupled with the group-wide capital saving of moving those to Qantas rather than ordering new aircraft, HNL would need to be generating serious profits to justify the cost of keeping those aircraft at Jetstar. I really doubt HNL could be that lucrative in the current market.

I reckon there may be plenty of people ( like me ) who would rather spend their money on the ground at their destination than on the flight. 10 hours on a packed JQ flight may suck but if the savings are decent it is worth doing.

This isn't the first time and won't be the last time that the AUD sucks but people still jump on JQ to HNL.

getluv wrote:

As we’ve seen continuously over the past few months, the 787s are causing JQ so many headaches.
...
so many operational and commercial benefits for the 788s to go to QF, and JQ sticking with one common type of aircraft .