Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Whatsaptudo · Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:03 am

Flyerqf wrote:
There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

NZ516 · Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:17 am

EK413 wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:

I dont think there are 4 more A330s to come back, does that include the ones going for freighter conversion?

Yes I think it's less than 4 now. I see this page has been updated again showing 3 parked 330s.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qantas

Mind blowing how many B747’s & B767’s QF operated.

Must ask why only 1 A351?

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That fleet matrix seems to only list one A350 on order and not 12. It also list one 787 as parked which I think is a mistake.

NZ516 · Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:20 am

Whatsaptudo wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

Is EBE the one to be converted to a freighter?

tristans · Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:37 am

NZ516 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Yes I think it's less than 4 now. I see this page has been updated again showing 3 parked 330s.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qantas

Mind blowing how many B747’s & B767’s QF operated.

Must ask why only 1 A351?

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That fleet matrix seems to only list one A350 on order and not 12. It also list one 787 as parked which I think is a mistake.

Any aircraft that remains in the same place for ~5 days is marked as 'Parked'
In this case, ZNJ has been in SIN since the 2nd of Feb.

Whatsaptudo · Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:41 am

NZ516 wrote:
Whatsaptudo wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

Is EBE the one to be converted to a freighter?

Yes

QF744ER · Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:32 pm

Whatsaptudo wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

Don’t forget technically nothing replaced EBF which was withdrawn for P2F conversion last year, but with QPG returning to the fleet it replaces some of the lost capacity.

A333’s do occasionally pop-up on transcons.

The return to service date I had for EBB has already passed so assuming there’s been further delays.

grh · Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:49 pm

Whatsaptudo wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Whatsaptudo wrote:

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

Is EBE the one to be converted to a freighter?

Yes

Departs for P2F Conv in DRS on Sunday 12/02

smi0006 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:46 am

Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

EK413 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:33 am

YSSYplanespoter wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

They should use it as a billboard at this point. They should write "Kiss nice goodbye." on it lol. I've heard that its status and paperwork will be worked on in the coming weeks/months.

I’m curious as to whom forks out the parking fees VA, lessor company…OR both…

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qf789 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:49 am

Today’s JQ900 MEL-BQB has diverted to PER

tullamarine · Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:56 am

EK413 wrote:
YSSYplanespoter wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

They should use it as a billboard at this point. They should write "Kiss nice goodbye." on it lol. I've heard that its status and paperwork will be worked on in the coming weeks/months.

I’m curious as to whom forks out the parking fees VA, lessor company…OR both…

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Nothing to do with VA. Plane was surrendered to lessor as part of administration process. Lessor has been trying to get permission to fly plane to SIN for repairs with gear down but CASA has denied so far for some reason.

VHOGU · Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:59 am

EK413 wrote:
YSSYplanespoter wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

They should use it as a billboard at this point. They should write "Kiss nice goodbye." on it lol. I've heard that its status and paperwork will be worked on in the coming weeks/months.

I’m curious as to whom forks out the parking fees VA, lessor company…OR both…

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It was returned to the leasing company whilst VA was in administration so I’m gonna say probably not VA.

AdvancedBikkie · Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:25 am

smi0006 wrote:
Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

As somebody from Perth, who admittedly doesn't visit that area much, but last went about two weeks ago, it was still there.

I got a close-up view of it when taxiing into the gate when I flew on OD151 in October:

qf789 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:00 am

The next 737-700 for Virgin ex KLM PH-BGL positioned AMS-NWI for painting on Wednesday

https://boefamily.flights/737/30369#post-delivery

Velocity7 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:12 am

Flyerqf wrote:
There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

I see QPG just departed BNE for what appears to be its second test flight

mrkerr7474 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:42 am

Velocity7 wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

I see QPG just departed BNE for what appears to be its second test flight

Looks like it is tracking south for Sydney

Velocity7 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:45 am

mrkerr7474 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

I see QPG just departed BNE for what appears to be its second test flight

Looks like it is tracking south for Sydney

Yeah, I think you are right. Test flights are normally out off the coast. The one on the 8th was.

EK413 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:17 am

Velocity7 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:

I see QPG just departed BNE for what appears to be its second test flight

Looks like it is tracking south for Sydney

Yeah, I think you are right. Test flights are normally out off the coast. The one on the 8th was.

On for finals for SYD as we speak

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tristans · Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:29 am

EK413 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:

Looks like it is tracking south for Sydney

Yeah, I think you are right. Test flights are normally out off the coast. The one on the 8th was.

On for finals for SYD as we speak

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Out in about an hr to AKL as QF7523

NZ516 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:27 pm

tristans wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:

Yeah, I think you are right. Test flights are normally out off the coast. The one on the 8th was.

On for finals for SYD as we speak

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Out in about an hr to AKL as QF7523

So that is good another one back in service!

oskarclare · Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:23 pm

https://newsroom.bne.com.au/seoul-reviv ... d-economy/

Korean Air back to BNE year-round from late April. On the 772, 5x weekly. Now SYD/BNE back, would assume MEL would be later this year or early next year.

FromCDGtoSYD · Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:45 pm

Rather unfortunate that its a 777-200ER, they still have the old product.

QLD has been on a roll with its subsidies, I think MEL is still a while away. Transit traffic from Europe is still subdued (less capacity to Europe, polar overflights increase cost and make ICN less attractive) and SYD is still far from its pre-covid capacity.

I suspect they’ll wait to consume the OZ merger and solidifying their current position before venturing out to new markets.

ZK-NBT · Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:51 pm

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
Rather unfortunate that its a 777-200ER, they still have the old product.

QLD has been on a roll with its subsidies, I think MEL is still a while away. Transit traffic from Europe is still subdued (less capacity to Europe, polar overflights increase cost and make ICN less attractive) and SYD is still far from its pre-covid capacity.

I suspect they’ll wait to consume the OZ merger and solidifying their current position before venturing out to new markets.

MEL hasn’t been served by KE since 2013, I’m not saying KE won’t serve it but it hasn’t been served for 10 years, perhaps it will be different in a post covid world.

SCFlyer · Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:14 am

KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

MLflyer · Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:39 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
Rather unfortunate that its a 777-200ER, they still have the old product.

QLD has been on a roll with its subsidies, I think MEL is still a while away. Transit traffic from Europe is still subdued (less capacity to Europe, polar overflights increase cost and make ICN less attractive) and SYD is still far from its pre-covid capacity.

I suspect they’ll wait to consume the OZ merger and solidifying their current position before venturing out to new markets.

MEL hasn’t been served by KE since 2013, I’m not saying KE won’t serve it but it hasn’t been served for 10 years, perhaps it will be different in a post covid world.

Both the Victorian and Korean sides want the route to happen, doesn't matter who with. OZ gave the route a try for the 2019-2020 summer season and was supposedly preparing for a permanent service (even tendering for GS), since they are merging with KE now, I can see the route being opened by year's end with government incentives.

IndianicWorld · Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:39 am

SCFlyer wrote:
KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

evanb · Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:49 am

EK413 wrote:
Must ask why only 1 A351?

Planespotters only adds a new build aircraft on order once it receives a MSN (manufacturer serial number) that is publicly known, generally about a year ahead of delivery. Only the first A350-1000 has a known serial number so far (707). That said, it's unusually far ahead of where new build aircraft gets placed on Planespotters.

EK413 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:00 am

evanb wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Must ask why only 1 A351?

Planespotters only adds a new build aircraft on order once it receives a MSN (manufacturer serial number) that is publicly known, generally about a year ahead of delivery. Only the first A350-1000 has a known serial number so far (707). That said, it's unusually far ahead of where new build aircraft gets placed on Planespotters.

Thanks for clarifying, certainly found it odd.

As mentioned above -EBB is definitely return to service in coming days… watch this space…

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smi0006 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:33 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

Be great to see ICN to MEL - was surprised QF and Jq both added SYD-ICN would have thought MEL would have gotten JQ and SYD- QF. But clearly demand is still marginal from MEL.

Curious if VIC/MEL isn’t offering the same subsidy that QLD/BNE is, or if they are comfortable with their rebuilding efforts. Still hoping we see LY back in MEL also, or DL at some point.

SCFlyer · Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:42 am

I'd tip that DL may likely enter MEL when ZL ramps up with 3 more 738s before the end of Q3 2023, iirc.

If in the slim (but unlikely) chance DL enters MEL from another one of their hubs, i.e SLC or SEA, it'll be out of left field but possibly be 'incentivised' on probably both ends (i.e SEA/SLC and their states in addition to MEL/Vic)

Saying that, if DL does come to MEL, it'll likely be from LAX due to the heavy O&D. DL(ZL) would also be competing with UA(VA) and QF(AA) on MEL-LAX.

smi0006 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:51 am

SCFlyer wrote:
I'd tip that DL may likely enter MEL when ZL ramps up with 3 more 738s before the end of Q3 2023, iirc.

If in the slim (but unlikely) chance DL enters MEL from another one of their hubs, i.e SLC or SEA, it'll be out of left field but possibly be 'incentivised' on probably both ends (i.e SEA/SLC and their states in addition to MEL/Vic)

Saying that, if DL does come to MEL, it'll likely be from LAX due to the heavy O&D. DL(ZL) would also be competing with UA(VA) and QF(AA) on MEL-LAX.

Be interesting to see how much interline traffic ZL is getting from DL, wonder I when they launch their FF-program if there will be much integration, or any other partners. ZL really needs to step up fast on the FF program abs lounges if they want a sustainable position in the market.

SCFlyer · Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:19 am

smi0006 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
I'd tip that DL may likely enter MEL when ZL ramps up with 3 more 738s before the end of Q3 2023, iirc.

If in the slim (but unlikely) chance DL enters MEL from another one of their hubs, i.e SLC or SEA, it'll be out of left field but possibly be 'incentivised' on probably both ends (i.e SEA/SLC and their states in addition to MEL/Vic)

Saying that, if DL does come to MEL, it'll likely be from LAX due to the heavy O&D. DL(ZL) would also be competing with UA(VA) and QF(AA) on MEL-LAX.

Be interesting to see how much interline traffic ZL is getting from DL, wonder I when they launch their FF-program if there will be much integration, or any other partners. ZL really needs to step up fast on the FF program abs lounges if they want a sustainable position in the market.

EY is mentioned as a potential partner for ZL (in addition to the option of EY keeping the scaled back partnership at VA). Like with DL, EY could put ZL's interline ahead of VA on routes they do serve out of SYD and MEL, and keep the VA interline on the routes ZL doesn't serve.

EY are basically the '3rd wheel' at VA since the demotion, although it seems EY needs VA more than VA needs EY. VA still benefits from 'some' revenue from EY despite VA now hooking up with their rival at QR.

IndianicWorld · Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:23 am

smi0006 wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

Be great to see ICN to MEL - was surprised QF and Jq both added SYD-ICN would have thought MEL would have gotten JQ and SYD- QF. But clearly demand is still marginal from MEL.

Curious if VIC/MEL isn’t offering the same subsidy that QLD/BNE is, or if they are comfortable with their rebuilding efforts. Still hoping we see LY back in MEL also, or DL at some point.

MEL and SYD have likely been able to attract more flights through their larger markets, however each state has had to use their relevant incentive funds to add/resume service at some point.

NTLDaz · Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:35 am

smi0006 wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

Be great to see ICN to MEL - was surprised QF and Jq both added SYD-ICN would have thought MEL would have gotten JQ and SYD- QF. But clearly demand is still marginal from MEL.

Curious if VIC/MEL isn’t offering the same subsidy that QLD/BNE is, or if they are comfortable with their rebuilding efforts. Still hoping we see LY back in MEL also, or DL at some point.

The Korean diaspora is the most concentrated of all - and it is concentrated in Sydney. This would play in to the thinking. Also, Korean tourists to Australia largely visit Sydney and QLD.

SCFlyer · Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:35 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

Be great to see ICN to MEL - was surprised QF and Jq both added SYD-ICN would have thought MEL would have gotten JQ and SYD- QF. But clearly demand is still marginal from MEL.

Curious if VIC/MEL isn’t offering the same subsidy that QLD/BNE is, or if they are comfortable with their rebuilding efforts. Still hoping we see LY back in MEL also, or DL at some point.

MEL and SYD have likely been able to attract more flights through their larger markets, however each state has had to use their relevant incentive funds to add/resume service at some point.

SYD/NSW did use their aviation funds to start SYD-India and restart SYD-ICN (which has since 'rapidly' grown' to 5 competitors through LCCs entering that market). The MEL-Vietnam flights on LCCs and QR's second daily via CBR/ADL were also incentivised by the Airports and States respectively.

Every state had used their Aviation funds, although as stated, the smaller states have to rely on the aviation funds more than the larger populated states of New South Wales and Victoria,

Chipmunk1973 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:35 am

Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

jetfuel · Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:12 am

The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

ZK-NBT · Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:16 am

jetfuel wrote:
The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

The 738s will continue to fill that void for 10 years, I would have thought the A225 would be the answer.

smi0006 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:21 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
jetfuel wrote:
The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

The 738s will continue to fill that void for 10 years, I would have thought the A225 would be the answer.

Agree - either the 220 or 320 - no chance for a MAX at QF now. With the JQ group they have phenomenal synergies and with 321s a max fleet would at most be 30-40… whilst hardly an orphan fleet does add a bit of cost and reduces flexibility. I actually see the 321s growing even more. I’d imagine with market and population growth in mind, for a 1-2hr domestic sector, a 321 is only marginally more expensive to fly than a 320- sp why not have the flexibility to increase revenue where able?

ZK-NBT · Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:32 am

smi0006 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
jetfuel wrote:
The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

The 738s will continue to fill that void for 10 years, I would have thought the A225 would be the answer.

Agree - either the 220 or 320 - no chance for a MAX at QF now. With the JQ group they have phenomenal synergies and with 321s a max fleet would at most be 30-40… whilst hardly an orphan fleet does add a bit of cost and reduces flexibility. I actually see the 321s growing even more. I’d imagine with market and population growth in mind, for a 1-2hr domestic sector, a 321 is only marginally more expensive to fly than a 320- sp why not have the flexibility to increase revenue where able?

Yes true, certainly more A321s. Weather some of them get a lie flat J in future batches? I would expect something in between though in a growing fleet, by the time the last 738s leave I would think they will have close to 150 narrow bodies? Currently 75 738s and 20 717s?

LTEN11 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:43 am

jetfuel wrote:
The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

By the time the last of the 737's leave the QF fleet, there will be a new narrowbody offering coming from Boeing and most likely one on the boards from Airbus as well.

tautliner · Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:51 am

getluv wrote:
I don't forsee the ACCC having any issues an AF/QF JV. Even if AF were to start its own daily service, the combined capacity would be a drop in the ocean between the amount of pax that fly between Australia-France. Not to mention CDG-SYD/MEL, LYS/NCE-PER can be done faster/similar times by secondary airlines.

I doubt AF will have and interest in this. They have better use fir the metal, rather than wasting a 789 on Perth .Perth -EU is great for us Aussies, I dont see the market having the same enthusiasm from the EU to AU. Wishful thinking this one I think.

NZ516 · Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:22 pm

EK413 wrote:

As mentioned above -EBB is definitely return to service in coming days… watch this space…
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Wow two 330s returning to service in the space a month!. So this will leave just one more yet to return since the parking began.

LoganTheBogan · Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:06 pm

I travelled on a Q-Link dual-class 717 last night and I must say it was a fantastic ride. The cabin was extremely spacious in all aspects, the window spacing was brilliant and the service on board was flawless.

Good first time on board an aircraft I’ve been wanting to fly on for a while now!

It’s a shame they’re being phased out but no doubt the A220s will be great too!

Interestingly enough everyone I talk to about the 717s say they’re garbage and are always prone to to tech issues…

I see they have a few job listings for A220 sim instructors and similar.

tullamarine · Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:13 pm

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

If, as looks likely, Airbus launches the A220-500, you'd think it would be the best solution if QF feels they need something between the A223 and A321. It is likely to have operating costs way under the A320NEO.

tullamarine · Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:19 pm

One of the ex-EK A332s that VA initially operated when establishing its trans-continental WB operations (VH-XFA) has been returned to lessors by Azul in Brazil and will be scrapped. The plane is 23 years old. From memory, both ex-EK A332s arrived into Australia in fairly poor shape and were not missed when returned as the newer A332s arrived.

BAeRJ100 · Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:13 am

tullamarine wrote:
One of the ex-EK A332s that VA initially operated when establishing its trans-continental WB operations (VH-XFA) has been returned to lessors by Azul in Brazil and will be scrapped. The plane is 23 years old. From memory, both ex-EK A332s arrived into Australia in fairly poor shape and were not missed when returned as the newer A332s arrived.

Dubbed "Awful" and "Broken" by those that worked on them. I flew on both several times as a passenger, and the difference between XFA/XFB compared with XFC onwards was night and day.

EK413 · Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:25 am

BAeRJ100 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
One of the ex-EK A332s that VA initially operated when establishing its trans-continental WB operations (VH-XFA) has been returned to lessors by Azul in Brazil and will be scrapped. The plane is 23 years old. From memory, both ex-EK A332s arrived into Australia in fairly poor shape and were not missed when returned as the newer A332s arrived.

Dubbed "Awful" and "Broken" by those that worked on them. I flew on both several times as a passenger, and the difference between XFA/XFB compared with XFC onwards was night and day.

Any idea as to what JB was smoking at the time when he decided to inherit these moth balls…

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tullamarine · Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:29 am

EK413 wrote:
BAeRJ100 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
One of the ex-EK A332s that VA initially operated when establishing its trans-continental WB operations (VH-XFA) has been returned to lessors by Azul in Brazil and will be scrapped. The plane is 23 years old. From memory, both ex-EK A332s arrived into Australia in fairly poor shape and were not missed when returned as the newer A332s arrived.

Dubbed "Awful" and "Broken" by those that worked on them. I flew on both several times as a passenger, and the difference between XFA/XFB compared with XFC onwards was night and day.

Any idea as to what JB was smoking at the time when he decided to inherit these moth balls…

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I guess most would've assumed that EK would've looked after them a whole lot better than they obviously did.

QuayWeeAir · Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:31 am

SCFlyer wrote:
I'd tip that DL may likely enter MEL when ZL ramps up with 3 more 738s before the end of Q3 2023, iirc.

If in the slim (but unlikely) chance DL enters MEL from another one of their hubs, i.e SLC or SEA, it'll be out of left field but possibly be 'incentivised' on probably both ends (i.e SEA/SLC and their states in addition to MEL/Vic)

Saying that, if DL does come to MEL, it'll likely be from LAX due to the heavy O&D. DL(ZL) would also be competing with UA(VA) and QF(AA) on MEL-LAX.

I would be tipping that Delta come to Brisbane with the help of the Queensland Government assistance package...

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