Flyerqf wrote:

There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

EK413 wrote:

NZ516 wrote:

jrfspa320 wrote:

I dont think there are 4 more A330s to come back, does that include the ones going for freighter conversion?

Yes I think it's less than 4 now. I see this page has been updated again showing 3 parked 330s.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qantas

Mind blowing how many B747’s & B767’s QF operated.

Must ask why only 1 A351?


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Whatsaptudo wrote:

Flyerqf wrote:

There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

NZ516 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

NZ516 wrote:

Yes I think it's less than 4 now. I see this page has been updated again showing 3 parked 330s.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qantas

Mind blowing how many B747’s & B767’s QF operated.

Must ask why only 1 A351?


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That fleet matrix seems to only list one A350 on order and not 12. It also list one 787 as parked which I think is a mistake.

NZ516 wrote:

Whatsaptudo wrote:

Flyerqf wrote:

There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

Is EBE the one to be converted to a freighter?

Whatsaptudo wrote:

Flyerqf wrote:

There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

Whatsaptudo wrote:

NZ516 wrote:

Whatsaptudo wrote:

Noted, but EBB replaces EBE. So a 2 A330 increase.

Is EBE the one to be converted to a freighter?

Yes

YSSYplanespoter wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

They should use it as a billboard at this point. They should write "Kiss nice goodbye." on it lol. I've heard that its status and paperwork will be worked on in the coming weeks/months.

EK413 wrote:

YSSYplanespoter wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

They should use it as a billboard at this point. They should write "Kiss nice goodbye." on it lol. I've heard that its status and paperwork will be worked on in the coming weeks/months.

I’m curious as to whom forks out the parking fees VA, lessor company…OR both…


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EK413 wrote:

YSSYplanespoter wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

They should use it as a billboard at this point. They should write "Kiss nice goodbye." on it lol. I've heard that its status and paperwork will be worked on in the coming weeks/months.

I’m curious as to whom forks out the parking fees VA, lessor company…OR both…


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smi0006 wrote:

Any update on the former VA 330 stores in PER? Surprised VA don’t want their titles off it at least. Not the best for their brand sitting faded.

Flyerqf wrote:

There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

Velocity7 wrote:

Flyerqf wrote:

There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

I see QPG just departed BNE for what appears to be its second test flight

mrkerr7474 wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

Flyerqf wrote:

There are 3 A330’s to return (EBB, EBD and QPG)

I see QPG just departed BNE for what appears to be its second test flight

Looks like it is tracking south for Sydney

Velocity7 wrote:

mrkerr7474 wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

I see QPG just departed BNE for what appears to be its second test flight

Looks like it is tracking south for Sydney

Yeah, I think you are right. Test flights are normally out off the coast. The one on the 8th was.

EK413 wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

mrkerr7474 wrote:

Looks like it is tracking south for Sydney

Yeah, I think you are right. Test flights are normally out off the coast. The one on the 8th was.

On for finals for SYD as we speak


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tristans wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

Yeah, I think you are right. Test flights are normally out off the coast. The one on the 8th was.

On for finals for SYD as we speak


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Out in about an hr to AKL as QF7523

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

Rather unfortunate that its a 777-200ER, they still have the old product.

QLD has been on a roll with its subsidies, I think MEL is still a while away. Transit traffic from Europe is still subdued (less capacity to Europe, polar overflights increase cost and make ICN less attractive) and SYD is still far from its pre-covid capacity.

I suspect they’ll wait to consume the OZ merger and solidifying their current position before venturing out to new markets.

ZK-NBT wrote:

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

Rather unfortunate that its a 777-200ER, they still have the old product.

QLD has been on a roll with its subsidies, I think MEL is still a while away. Transit traffic from Europe is still subdued (less capacity to Europe, polar overflights increase cost and make ICN less attractive) and SYD is still far from its pre-covid capacity.

I suspect they’ll wait to consume the OZ merger and solidifying their current position before venturing out to new markets.

MEL hasn’t been served by KE since 2013, I’m not saying KE won’t serve it but it hasn’t been served for 10 years, perhaps it will be different in a post covid world.

SCFlyer wrote:

KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

EK413 wrote:

Must ask why only 1 A351?

evanb wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Must ask why only 1 A351?

Planespotters only adds a new build aircraft on order once it receives a MSN (manufacturer serial number) that is publicly known, generally about a year ahead of delivery. Only the first A350-1000 has a known serial number so far (707). That said, it's unusually far ahead of where new build aircraft gets placed on Planespotters.

IndianicWorld wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

SCFlyer wrote:

I'd tip that DL may likely enter MEL when ZL ramps up with 3 more 738s before the end of Q3 2023, iirc.

If in the slim (but unlikely) chance DL enters MEL from another one of their hubs, i.e SLC or SEA, it'll be out of left field but possibly be 'incentivised' on probably both ends (i.e SEA/SLC and their states in addition to MEL/Vic)

Saying that, if DL does come to MEL, it'll likely be from LAX due to the heavy O&D. DL(ZL) would also be competing with UA(VA) and QF(AA) on MEL-LAX.

smi0006 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

I'd tip that DL may likely enter MEL when ZL ramps up with 3 more 738s before the end of Q3 2023, iirc.

If in the slim (but unlikely) chance DL enters MEL from another one of their hubs, i.e SLC or SEA, it'll be out of left field but possibly be 'incentivised' on probably both ends (i.e SEA/SLC and their states in addition to MEL/Vic)

Saying that, if DL does come to MEL, it'll likely be from LAX due to the heavy O&D. DL(ZL) would also be competing with UA(VA) and QF(AA) on MEL-LAX.

Be interesting to see how much interline traffic ZL is getting from DL, wonder I when they launch their FF-program if there will be much integration, or any other partners. ZL really needs to step up fast on the FF program abs lounges if they want a sustainable position in the market.

smi0006 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

Be great to see ICN to MEL - was surprised QF and Jq both added SYD-ICN would have thought MEL would have gotten JQ and SYD- QF. But clearly demand is still marginal from MEL.

Curious if VIC/MEL isn’t offering the same subsidy that QLD/BNE is, or if they are comfortable with their rebuilding efforts. Still hoping we see LY back in MEL also, or DL at some point.

smi0006 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

KE/OZ may possibly want to consolidate their merger before expansion maybe? The only small chance of KE entering MEL is if the State of Victoria and MEL Airport comes to the table with an 'incentive package' for them to fly to MEL before the merger is finalised.

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

Be great to see ICN to MEL - was surprised QF and Jq both added SYD-ICN would have thought MEL would have gotten JQ and SYD- QF. But clearly demand is still marginal from MEL.

Curious if VIC/MEL isn’t offering the same subsidy that QLD/BNE is, or if they are comfortable with their rebuilding efforts. Still hoping we see LY back in MEL also, or DL at some point.

IndianicWorld wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

Given the push for service that seems to have been made for a MEL-ICN service, fairly sure it will likely come down to a compelling deal to get things in motion.

The route has potential, but given the amount of capacity into SYD, it is largely overshadowed by the focus on that market.

Be great to see ICN to MEL - was surprised QF and Jq both added SYD-ICN would have thought MEL would have gotten JQ and SYD- QF. But clearly demand is still marginal from MEL.

Curious if VIC/MEL isn’t offering the same subsidy that QLD/BNE is, or if they are comfortable with their rebuilding efforts. Still hoping we see LY back in MEL also, or DL at some point.

MEL and SYD have likely been able to attract more flights through their larger markets, however each state has had to use their relevant incentive funds to add/resume service at some point.

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

jetfuel wrote:

The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

ZK-NBT wrote:

jetfuel wrote:

The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

The 738s will continue to fill that void for 10 years, I would have thought the A225 would be the answer.

smi0006 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

jetfuel wrote:

The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

The 738s will continue to fill that void for 10 years, I would have thought the A225 would be the answer.

Agree - either the 220 or 320 - no chance for a MAX at QF now. With the JQ group they have phenomenal synergies and with 321s a max fleet would at most be 30-40… whilst hardly an orphan fleet does add a bit of cost and reduces flexibility. I actually see the 321s growing even more. I’d imagine with market and population growth in mind, for a 1-2hr domestic sector, a 321 is only marginally more expensive to fly than a 320- sp why not have the flexibility to increase revenue where able?

jetfuel wrote:

The answer is MAX. Let us wait and see the positive response to MAX when he arrives with VA, how passengers like his smooth quiet tones and his bargain prices

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

getluv wrote:

I don't forsee the ACCC having any issues an AF/QF JV. Even if AF were to start its own daily service, the combined capacity would be a drop in the ocean between the amount of pax that fly between Australia-France. Not to mention CDG-SYD/MEL, LYS/NCE-PER can be done faster/similar times by secondary airlines.

EK413 wrote:

As mentioned above -EBB is definitely return to service in coming days… watch this space…
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Chipmunk1973 wrote:

Just wondering when we might see an order from QF for the A320neo? I recall that when the winner of Project Winton was announced, Airbus, it was indicated that apart from the initial order of the A223 and the A321XLR, that other models/derivatives were also in the offering.

The announced config's to date are:
A223: 10J + 127Y (137)
A321: 20J + 180Y (200)

To me the A320neo seems like the ideal candidate to fill the gap of 63 seats. Given that the A320 is somewhat shorter than the B738, I wouldn't expect to see the same (12J/162Y=174) layout. At a reasonable guess maybe (12J/151Y=163)? That'd make it 26 more seats than the A223 and 37 less than the A321. So close enough to a midway point between the two.

Cheers.

tullamarine wrote:

One of the ex-EK A332s that VA initially operated when establishing its trans-continental WB operations (VH-XFA) has been returned to lessors by Azul in Brazil and will be scrapped. The plane is 23 years old. From memory, both ex-EK A332s arrived into Australia in fairly poor shape and were not missed when returned as the newer A332s arrived.

BAeRJ100 wrote:

tullamarine wrote:

One of the ex-EK A332s that VA initially operated when establishing its trans-continental WB operations (VH-XFA) has been returned to lessors by Azul in Brazil and will be scrapped. The plane is 23 years old. From memory, both ex-EK A332s arrived into Australia in fairly poor shape and were not missed when returned as the newer A332s arrived.

Dubbed "Awful" and "Broken" by those that worked on them. I flew on both several times as a passenger, and the difference between XFA/XFB compared with XFC onwards was night and day.

EK413 wrote:

BAeRJ100 wrote:

tullamarine wrote:

One of the ex-EK A332s that VA initially operated when establishing its trans-continental WB operations (VH-XFA) has been returned to lessors by Azul in Brazil and will be scrapped. The plane is 23 years old. From memory, both ex-EK A332s arrived into Australia in fairly poor shape and were not missed when returned as the newer A332s arrived.

Dubbed "Awful" and "Broken" by those that worked on them. I flew on both several times as a passenger, and the difference between XFA/XFB compared with XFC onwards was night and day.

Any idea as to what JB was smoking at the time when he decided to inherit these moth balls…


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SCFlyer wrote:

I'd tip that DL may likely enter MEL when ZL ramps up with 3 more 738s before the end of Q3 2023, iirc.

If in the slim (but unlikely) chance DL enters MEL from another one of their hubs, i.e SLC or SEA, it'll be out of left field but possibly be 'incentivised' on probably both ends (i.e SEA/SLC and their states in addition to MEL/Vic)

Saying that, if DL does come to MEL, it'll likely be from LAX due to the heavy O&D. DL(ZL) would also be competing with UA(VA) and QF(AA) on MEL-LAX.