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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:34 am

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mrkerr7474 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Sydney currently being hammered with heavy rain and thunderstorms.

QF28 SCL-SYD diverting to NTL
QF136 CHC-SYD diverting to BNE
QF164 WLG-SYD diverting to BNE
QF470 MEL-SYD returning to MEL
QF104 HNL-SYD holding
QF648 PER-SYD holding
QF190 TBU-SYD holding
QF545 BNE-SYD holding

QR908 DOH-SYD diverting to MEL
SQ241 SIN-SYD holding has since landed on rwy25

VA875 MEL-SYD holding
VA1420 CNS-SYD holding
JQ526 MEL-SYD holding


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QF164 diverting to CFS (Coffs Harbour) according to flightradar24. I note the last flight there was 4pm local time, would anyone even be there to assist with the divert?

Thanks for the update, was hard to predict where the QF Tasman’s are diverting. The QF28 opting to divert to NTL indicates they were low on fuel otherwise BNE would’ve been the better option.


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Interested to know why Brisbane would be better. It's a storm and it will pass and it's nowhere near curfew. It'll be a 15 minute jaunt down to SYD.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:35 am

EK413 wrote:
Sydney currently being hammered with heavy rain and thunderstorms.

QF28 SCL-SYD diverting to NTL
QF136 CHC-SYD diverting to BNE
QF164 WLG-SYD diverting to BNE
QF470 MEL-SYD returning to MEL
QF104 HNL-SYD holding
QF648 PER-SYD holding
QF190 TBU-SYD holding
QF545 BNE-SYD holding

QR908 DOH-SYD diverting to MEL
SQ241 SIN-SYD holding has since landed on rwy25

VA875 MEL-SYD holding
VA1420 CNS-SYD holding
JQ526 MEL-SYD holding


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QF545 BNE-SYD diverting to MEL
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:38 am

qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Sydney currently being hammered with heavy rain and thunderstorms.

QF28 SCL-SYD diverting to NTL
QF136 CHC-SYD diverting to BNE
QF164 WLG-SYD diverting to BNE
QF470 MEL-SYD returning to MEL
QF104 HNL-SYD holding
QF648 PER-SYD holding
QF190 TBU-SYD holding
QF545 BNE-SYD holding

QR908 DOH-SYD diverting to MEL
SQ241 SIN-SYD holding has since landed on rwy25

VA875 MEL-SYD holding
VA1420 CNS-SYD holding
JQ526 MEL-SYD holding


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QF545 BNE-SYD diverting to MEL


VA1420 CNS-SYD diverting to CBR
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:40 am

QF104 HNL-SYD now diverting to CBR
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:41 am

NTLDaz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:

QF164 diverting to CFS (Coffs Harbour) according to flightradar24. I note the last flight there was 4pm local time, would anyone even be there to assist with the divert?

Thanks for the update, was hard to predict where the QF Tasman’s are diverting. The QF28 opting to divert to NTL indicates they were low on fuel otherwise BNE would’ve been the better option.


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Interested to know why Brisbane would be better. It's a storm and it will pass and it's nowhere near curfew. It'll be a 15 minute jaunt down to SYD.

You need to take into account the crew tour of duty hours. Easier to recover passengers from BNE or MEL than NTL.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:50 am

I've heard that CBR charges airlines to be listed as an alternate airport.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:51 am

EK413 wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
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Thanks for the update, was hard to predict where the QF Tasman’s are diverting. The QF28 opting to divert to NTL indicates they were low on fuel otherwise BNE would’ve been the better option.


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Interested to know why Brisbane would be better. It's a storm and it will pass and it's nowhere near curfew. It'll be a 15 minute jaunt down to SYD.

You need to take into account the crew tour of duty hours. Easier to recover passengers from BNE or MEL than NTL.


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Fair enough but how many 787 crew do they have hanging around Brisbane?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:53 am

EK413 wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Thanks for the update, was hard to predict where the QF Tasman’s are diverting. The QF28 opting to divert to NTL indicates they were low on fuel otherwise BNE would’ve been the better option.


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Interested to know why Brisbane would be better. It's a storm and it will pass and it's nowhere near curfew. It'll be a 15 minute jaunt down to SYD.

You need to take into account the crew tour of duty hours. Easier to recover passengers from BNE or MEL than NTL.


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You also need to remember that flights like the long-haul flights, and particularly the NZ flights on the 737 are limited in how much fuel they can upload without busting one of their weight limitations.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:00 am

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QF104 HNL-SYD now diverting to CBR


Unfortunate, as if they could have stayed around SYD for 10more mins, they could have landed
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:11 am

QF28 is scheduled to position NTL-SYD at 2010

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YWLM/YSSY
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:19 am

QF104 due to depart CBR and position to SYD at 2105

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YSCB/YSSY

QR908 will position MEL-SYD as QR8032 at 2110

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR ... /YMML/YSSY
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:55 am

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QF28 is scheduled to position NTL-SYD at 2010

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YWLM/YSSY

Still in NTL by looks of it..


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:03 am

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF28 is scheduled to position NTL-SYD at 2010

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YWLM/YSSY

Still in NTL by looks of it..


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Similar with QF164 CFS-SYD, meant to have gone an hour ago. Must be have to do some kind of refuel in this situation or just flight planning with ATC etc?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:16 am

mrkerr7474 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF28 is scheduled to position NTL-SYD at 2010

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YWLM/YSSY

Still in NTL by looks of it..


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Similar with QF164 CFS-SYD, meant to have gone an hour ago. Must be have to do some kind of refuel in this situation or just flight planning with ATC etc?

On its way Flight QF164 from Coffs Harbour to Sydney
https://fr24.com/QFA164/2f3db0fc


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:24 am

Any chances of curfew dispensations tonight?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:29 am

qf2220 wrote:
Any chances of curfew dispensations tonight?

Interesting to see if any dispensations are granted with QR908 enroute.

QF136 has departed BNE and QF28 no sign of departing which indicates crew ran out of hours


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:40 am

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF28 is scheduled to position NTL-SYD at 2010

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YWLM/YSSY

Still in NTL by looks of it..


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We've just had a thunderstorm in Newcastle so not sure if that had anything to do with it.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:43 am

EK413 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Any chances of curfew dispensations tonight?

Interesting to see if any dispensations are granted with QR908 enroute.

QF136 has departed BNE and QF28 no sign of departing which indicates crew ran out of hours


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I'd have expected that QF would have arranged a pair of pilots in a car to NTL as soon as they knew it was heading there.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:58 am

NTLDaz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF28 is scheduled to position NTL-SYD at 2010

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YWLM/YSSY

Still in NTL by looks of it..


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We've just had a thunderstorm in Newcastle so not sure if that had anything to do with it.


Sounds like a bus ride for the pax ;)

qf2220 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Any chances of curfew dispensations tonight?

Interesting to see if any dispensations are granted with QR908 enroute.

QF136 has departed BNE and QF28 no sign of departing which indicates crew ran out of hours


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I'd have expected that QF would have arranged a pair of pilots in a car to NTL as soon as they knew it was heading there.


Yeah I’d say tech ran out of hours and cabin crew probably called it a day…


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:17 am

EK413 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Any chances of curfew dispensations tonight?

Interesting to see if any dispensations are granted with QR908 enroute.

QF136 has departed BNE and QF28 no sign of departing which indicates crew ran out of hours


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FR24 showing QR909 departing at 2330
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:18 am

Im predicting that this is not going to be a great night for the pax on QF28...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:17 pm

qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Any chances of curfew dispensations tonight?

Interesting to see if any dispensations are granted with QR908 enroute.

QF136 has departed BNE and QF28 no sign of departing which indicates crew ran out of hours


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FR24 showing QR909 departing at 2330

The ME3 are always prepared to pay the fine opposed to arranging accommodation for 500+ pax…

Curfew should be waved in these circumstances to minimise disruption but we know that won’t happen.

Hopefully SWZ will help in situations like these.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:21 pm

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The ownership structure of 3K was problematic, but to be fair, QF has had a number of financial issues over the past 15 years that they didn’t have the capital to really push the brand to scale.

RedQ was the way to go. Targeting the rising middle-upper class across Asia would have made more sense.


It was better with the Sing Govt Authority than Westbrook, but reality is Singapore Airlines (and it's Scoot Effective sub) are always the priority in that market.

At some point QF will have 321s to secondary markets like Phuket, Manilla, Ho Chi Minh etc. Though suspect 3K may still have a role (even with the forced move to T4)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:36 pm

One of those albino VA 73G’s NHW returned to PER yesterday after suffering an engine failure evening whilst operating VA471 to BNE, will no doubt be on the ground here for a while whilst a replacement engine is sourced and transported across to WA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:59 pm

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One of those albino VA 73G’s NHW returned to PER yesterday after suffering an engine failure evening whilst operating VA471 to BNE, will no doubt be on the ground here for a while whilst a replacement engine is sourced and transported across to WA.



Didn’t see the news blasting on about that did we….
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:37 pm

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Interesting to see if any dispensations are granted with QR908 enroute.

QF136 has departed BNE and QF28 no sign of departing which indicates crew ran out of hours


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FR24 showing QR909 departing at 2330

The ME3 are always prepared to pay the fine opposed to arranging accommodation for 500+ pax…

Curfew should be waved in these circumstances to minimise disruption but we know that won’t happen.

Hopefully SWZ will help in situations like these.


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QR909 has just departed at 30 minutes past midnight

Also CI52 SYD-TPE departed about 2330

QF103 to HNL has been delayed to 1330 Sunday, according to QF's flight status
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:50 pm

Update on Jetstar's next A321LR's

OFS had its second test flight on 14 Feb, would think this would be delivered of the month
OFU had engines installed after painting and was spotted on 8 Feb, would think this isnt too far away from flight testing
OFV rolled out of final assembly on the 11 February
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:22 pm

There is no QF9 today instead it’s QF331 and the flight is starting in SYD and not MEL, anyone know why?
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:43 pm

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Honestly a real shame, it gave a lot of reach to QF and really make SIN into a hub that not many other airlines have overseas in this day and age.

That being said with Scoot constantly rising, Airasia and all the other lowcost airlines in the region from T’way, Zipair, GBA, Vietjet etc its increasingly harder for them to compete for a pie that whilst growing again had shrunk so much due to covid.

For SIN based QFFs it was great to have lounge access and I always had a soft spot for the OKA route as it allowed through ticketing to KIX and NRT with Jetstar japan.

Part of SGN being dropped is maybe also due to the demise of Jetstar pacific.


Agreed, although the market and QF have changed so much since its establishment. Consider that within a few years after its establishment, QF were routing daily SYD-SIN-LHR, MEL-SIN-LHR and SYD-FRA-FRA through SIN, supplementing it with connecting PER-SIN, BNE-SIN and ADL-SIN. JQ were also feeding CNS-SIN, DRW-SIN, MEL-SIN and PER-SIN. In addition, BNE extended onto BOM! So SIN was in a good position to feed to and from additional regional routes, and advance from being a scissor hub.

But the world and market changed entirely. They dropped FRA and switched LHR flights to DXB. The ADL flight and extension to BOM was dropped. Scaled up SYD-CGK and SYD-MNL over time. All this reduced the critical mass and couldn't be supplemented by connecting traffic from third party airlines which they had less control of capacity and revenue management.

A point you highlight is that 3K was never able to build a legitimately independent low cost operation that could compete. Like Scoot (and Tiger) they could not really compete with AirAsia, Lion, Batik Air, Cebu Pacific, IndiGo, VietJet Air, etc who will always beat Scoot, Tiger and Jetstar Asia on cost structure. Even SQ folded Tiger into Scoot, and Scoot has been a mechanism for SQ to shift its own cost base.

QF had an opportunity to set up SIN as a secondary hub but unfortunately lost the opportunity though, admittedly, it wasn't all their fault.. SIN was even encouraging it at one stage and wasn't really protecting SQ with a completely Open Skies policy.

RedQ was the initial strategy but it was doomed from the start as SQ would have always moved to crush a full-service carrier on its own turf. 3K was a logical vehicle but the ownership structure meant it was always under-invested. SQ also responded aggressively pouring resources into Scoot with both new 787 and A320NEOs acquired. In 2018, the QF SIN Scissor Hub strategy further fell apart when 9W went under and QF has never really satisfactorily filled the gap that left them with.

What is left is not without some use though it doesn't seem any of the owners are particularly interested and the forced move to T4 so Scoot can occupy the space in T1 seems to suggest that SIN has decided to side with the home-team.


I do agree the forced move to T4 is unfortunate and does show priority to the SQ group. Does 3K still codeshare with EK, and a couple of others?

I think Jetstar Hong Kong, and Vietnam distracted QF they should have solidified Singapore, along with the 330s based up there although tbf 3K was profitable for a few years, and Jet Star Japan seems to be doing well. I do wonder once things stabilise we’ll see them grow again. There is a lot of money to be more easily made in Australia at the moment, so easier to send the 320s off to WA for guaranteed returns than risk in Asia.

I wonder how the locals Singaporean markets judges the 3K brand and link with QF ff scheme? For markets outside of Singapore I do think more 321XLR flying P2P from both JQ and QF will help the Au market - inter Asia I suspect no brand loyalty in the LCC space, who ever is cheapest wins!

Whatever happened to the agreement signed between Jetstar and Air Asia for odd partnership?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:12 pm

QF28 NTL-SYD scheduled to depart this morning 08:50 appears to be delayed further


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:18 pm

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There is no QF9 today instead it’s QF331 and the flight is starting in SYD and not MEL, anyone know why?

I suspect it is because the 787 that would operate QF9 is doing the Antarctica flight from MEL.
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:47 pm

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QF28 NTL-SYD scheduled to depart this morning 08:50 appears to be delayed further


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Did it overnight? Would have been a nightmare for customs clearance etc - would have had to wait for ABF to come from the port.. not sure that was the best call. Wonder if they overnight pax in NTL or bused them to SYD. CBR probs would have been a better call!
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:55 pm

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I've heard that CBR charges airlines to be listed as an alternate airport.


Yup! From my memory past life 200-300k per year for the ability to file as an alternate, plus the fees for use if you drop in. My carrier at the time wouldn’t pay, so never held CBR as an alternate UA clearly does, so must be some fuel savings in being able to file for CBR as an alternate over MEL/BNE. From an environmental perspective wonder how much extra fuel carriers are carrying around using SYD,MEL as alternates when they could use CBR?

I’m sorry but the ACCC should have a look at CBR - family owned airport, and charges for everything! GHA have to pay a rental fee for GSE parking on the apron- on top of the normal office rentals, staff parking, checkin fees etc. Be interesting to see CBR traffic if they didn’t charge as much! I did hear that’s of the top 10 most expensive airports in the world - Australia has 5 in the list. Not sure if this is still true or accurate.
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:05 pm

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QF28 NTL-SYD scheduled to depart this morning 08:50 appears to be delayed further


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Did it overnight? Would have been a nightmare for customs clearance etc - would have had to wait for ABF to come from the port.. not sure that was the best call. Wonder if they overnight pax in NTL or bused them to SYD. CBR probs would have been a better call!

Certainly did and as previously mentioned MEL/BNE would’ve been a better alternate but I suspect limited fuel was the reason for NTL diversion.


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Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:09 pm

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There is no QF9 today instead it’s QF331 and the flight is starting in SYD and not MEL, anyone know why?

I suspect it is because the 787 that would operate QF9 is doing the Antarctica flight from MEL.

QF331 SYD-PER-LHR appears to be a Brethren Charter.


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Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:13 pm

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I've heard that CBR charges airlines to be listed as an alternate airport.


Yup! From my memory past life 200-300k per year for the ability to file as an alternate, plus the fees for use if you drop in. My carrier at the time wouldn’t pay, so never held CBR as an alternate UA clearly does, so must be some fuel savings in being able to file for CBR as an alternate over MEL/BNE. From an environmental perspective wonder how much extra fuel carriers are carrying around using SYD,MEL as alternates when they could use CBR?

I’m sorry but the ACCC should have a look at CBR - family owned airport, and charges for everything! GHA have to pay a rental fee for GSE parking on the apron- on top of the normal office rentals, staff parking, checkin fees etc. Be interesting to see CBR traffic if they didn’t charge as much! I did hear that’s of the top 10 most expensive airports in the world - Australia has 5 in the list. Not sure if this is still true or accurate.


United has long had CBR as an alternate. Both the 747-422s and 777-222ERs came up slightly short on payload/range, especially with winter headwinds, and having a closer alternate did have a material impact on the payload they could carry. Presumably the cost was therefore worth it.

Delta also started using CBR as an alternate for the same reason when they switched to the A359, as their A350s (or at least the early deliveries) had a fairly low MTOW. I think they’ve all been increased now so not sure if they still use CBR.
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:18 pm

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What did they do with the pax last night?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:33 pm

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One of those albino VA 73G’s NHW returned to PER yesterday after suffering an engine failure evening whilst operating VA471 to BNE, will no doubt be on the ground here for a while whilst a replacement engine is sourced and transported across to WA.



Didn’t see the news blasting on about that did we….

There's no kangaroo on the tail so the media isn't interested 8-)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:24 am

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QF28 NTL-SYD scheduled to depart this morning 08:50 appears to be delayed further


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What did they do with the pax last night?

Over nighted in NTL


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:53 am

EK413 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
QF28 NTL-SYD scheduled to depart this morning 08:50 appears to be delayed further


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What did they do with the pax last night?

Over nighted in NTL


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There is an article in the SMH about it. They say on the plane until 2am when they were let off and spent the rest of the night in the terminal. They got given Macca's. Lucky there is one within a few minutes of the airport lol.

Pretty awful experience after a 14 hour flight.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:21 am

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What did they do with the pax last night?

Over nighted in NTL


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There is an article in the SMH about it. They say on the plane until 2am when they were let off and spent the rest of the night in the terminal. They got given Macca's. Lucky there is one within a few minutes of the airport lol.

Pretty awful experience after a 14 hour flight.


More or less what I thought would happen.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:48 am

qf2220 wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Over nighted in NTL


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There is an article in the SMH about it. They say on the plane until 2am when they were let off and spent the rest of the night in the terminal. They got given Macca's. Lucky there is one within a few minutes of the airport lol.

Pretty awful experience after a 14 hour flight.


More or less what I thought would happen.


Not a pleasant experience but sometimes there's not much more they can do in these circumstances
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:55 am

mrkerr7474 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:

There is an article in the SMH about it. They say on the plane until 2am when they were let off and spent the rest of the night in the terminal. They got given Macca's. Lucky there is one within a few minutes of the airport lol.

Pretty awful experience after a 14 hour flight.


More or less what I thought would happen.


Not a pleasant experience but sometimes there's not much more they can do in these circumstances


Is it too much to read into the situation that the fuel might have been that critical on this flight that they had to land in NTL instead of at CBR where they would have far better airport facilities for such a situation?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:47 am

qf2220 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

More or less what I thought would happen.


Not a pleasant experience but sometimes there's not much more they can do in these circumstances


Is it too much to read into the situation that the fuel might have been that critical on this flight that they had to land in NTL instead of at CBR where they would have far better airport facilities for such a situation?


It might be about time NTL became better equipped to deal with situations like this though. Not the first time a widebody has been diverted to NTL. Last year passengers on an a330 sat on the taxi way over by the RAAF for 5 hours. NTL didn't have the stairs to reach the aircraft and ended up having to approach the RAAF for help.

NTL preaches about becoming a new International gateway to the Hunter. Investments have been made for the runway/taxi way upgrades etc. Now it's time to train staff (and/or contracted ground handlers) in operating equipment for widebodies and invest in it. It's not the last time NTL will be used as an alternate.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:49 am

qf2220 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

More or less what I thought would happen.


Not a pleasant experience but sometimes there's not much more they can do in these circumstances


Is it too much to read into the situation that the fuel might have been that critical on this flight that they had to land in NTL instead of at CBR where they would have far better airport facilities for such a situation?


Well.....
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YSSYplanespoter wrote:
I've heard that CBR charges airlines to be listed as an alternate airport.


Yup! From my memory past life 200-300k per year for the ability to file as an alternate, plus the fees for use if you drop in. My carrier at the time wouldn’t pay, so never held CBR as an alternate UA clearly does, so must be some fuel savings in being able to file for CBR as an alternate over MEL/BNE. From an environmental perspective wonder how much extra fuel carriers are carrying around using SYD,MEL as alternates when they could use CBR?

I’m sorry but the ACCC should have a look at CBR - family owned airport, and charges for everything! GHA have to pay a rental fee for GSE parking on the apron- on top of the normal office rentals, staff parking, checkin fees etc. Be interesting to see CBR traffic if they didn’t charge as much! I did hear that’s of the top 10 most expensive airports in the world - Australia has 5 in the list. Not sure if this is still true or accurate.


In addition, the storm was coming from the south-west, so they may had to use extra fuel to fly around the storm in order to reach CBR - fuel they perhaps didn't have. But that's just speculation on my part.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:02 am

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EK413 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

What did they do with the pax last night?

Over nighted in NTL


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There is an article in the SMH about it. They say on the plane until 2am when they were let off and spent the rest of the night in the terminal. They got given Macca's. Lucky there is one within a few minutes of the airport lol.

Pretty awful experience after a 14 hour flight.

Well there you go, of all the diversions yesterday the QF28 was definitely going to be the one to watch out for and it certainly hit the news headlines!


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:16 am

YSSYplanespoter wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:

Not a pleasant experience but sometimes there's not much more they can do in these circumstances


Is it too much to read into the situation that the fuel might have been that critical on this flight that they had to land in NTL instead of at CBR where they would have far better airport facilities for such a situation?


Well.....
smi0006 wrote:
YSSYplanespoter wrote:
I've heard that CBR charges airlines to be listed as an alternate airport.


Yup! From my memory past life 200-300k per year for the ability to file as an alternate, plus the fees for use if you drop in. My carrier at the time wouldn’t pay, so never held CBR as an alternate UA clearly does, so must be some fuel savings in being able to file for CBR as an alternate over MEL/BNE. From an environmental perspective wonder how much extra fuel carriers are carrying around using SYD,MEL as alternates when they could use CBR?

I’m sorry but the ACCC should have a look at CBR - family owned airport, and charges for everything! GHA have to pay a rental fee for GSE parking on the apron- on top of the normal office rentals, staff parking, checkin fees etc. Be interesting to see CBR traffic if they didn’t charge as much! I did hear that’s of the top 10 most expensive airports in the world - Australia has 5 in the list. Not sure if this is still true or accurate.


In addition, the storm was coming from the south-west, so they may had to use extra fuel to fly around the storm in order to reach CBR - fuel they perhaps didn't have. But that's just speculation on my part.


Re CBR, QF sent the Hawaii and Tonga flights there so I doubt CBR access is the issue.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:28 am

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Update on Jetstar's next A321LR's

OFS had its second test flight on 14 Feb, would think this would be delivered of the month
OFU had engines installed after painting and was spotted on 8 Feb, would think this isnt too far away from flight testing
OFV rolled out of final assembly on the 11 February


I do fond this interesting. Seeing AJ was saying Perth airport was stopping expansion, tho some of these aircraft could be used.

Doesn't Jetstar fly from Terminal 1 at Perth? So none of these are being used into South-East asia? Including say Jakarta which they couldn't get up an running with QF.
Just saying.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:48 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Update on Jetstar's next A321LR's

OFS had its second test flight on 14 Feb, would think this would be delivered of the month
OFU had engines installed after painting and was spotted on 8 Feb, would think this isnt too far away from flight testing
OFV rolled out of final assembly on the 11 February


I do fond this interesting. Seeing AJ was saying Perth airport was stopping expansion, tho some of these aircraft could be used.

Doesn't Jetstar fly from Terminal 1 at Perth? So none of these are being used into South-East asia? Including say Jakarta which they couldn't get up an running with QF.
Just saying.

Qantas is commencing MEL-CGK services which means their seat allocation would be exhausted once launched.


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