Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

JJWess · Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:53 am

getluv wrote:
JJWess wrote:
I wonder if we’ll get any route announcements… PER-CDG anyone?

If this happens, the news is probably embargoed.

Embargoed? Like... banned...?

Nah it's probably not going to happen haha. My wishful thinking. But I reckon we might hear about a PER-AKL in preparation for the AKL-JFK service

qf2220 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:26 am

EK413 wrote:
QF A380 VH-OQH positioning SYD-LAX. Sources indicate this will allow QF to rotate the fleet & have an ops spare in LAX

Flight QF6013 from Sydney to Los Angeles
https://fr24.com/QFA6013/2f4905bc

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Where else is the 'spare' capacity in the fleet now? There'd have to be a few hours here and there in SYD?

qf2220 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:34 am

JJWess wrote:
getluv wrote:
JJWess wrote:
I wonder if we’ll get any route announcements… PER-CDG anyone?

If this happens, the news is probably embargoed.

Embargoed? Like... banned...?

Nah it's probably not going to happen haha. My wishful thinking. But I reckon we might hear about a PER-AKL in preparation for the AKL-JFK service

IMO new routes come with new aircraft that can operate them.

My speculation will be on some more A220s

SCFlyer · Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:46 am

Velocity7 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Scoot will suspend their SIN-OOL services indefinitely as from July 2023. It seems that OOL didn't meet expectations to continue past the AAIF subsidised period.

https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/pdf/ ... fy2223.pdf (Page 5)

Scoot have operated to OOL since 2012 no? I think any AAIF would have long expired unless a new deal was done? Somewhat surprising - appears they gave it a good go

TR suspended OOL at the start of the pandemic in March 2020.

The State of Queensland approached TR with a new AAIF agreement to restart OOL during mid ~~2021~~ February 2022 (July, IIRC) when Queensland reopened their state borders. TR had already restarted SYD and MEL before then.

I would assume with those timelines, the AAIF funding was for 18 months.

Edit: Scoot's first flight since the Pandemic out of OOL was in February 2022

EK413 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:08 am

qf2220 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
QF A380 VH-OQH positioning SYD-LAX. Sources indicate this will allow QF to rotate the fleet & have an ops spare in LAX

Flight QF6013 from Sydney to Los Angeles
https://fr24.com/QFA6013/2f4905bc

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Where else is the 'spare' capacity in the fleet now? There'd have to be a few hours here and there in SYD?

1 SYD & 1 LAX will rotate during ground time.

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elegiac · Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:53 am

The Qantas profit has to be jaw dropping if they're announcing free wifi, new airline lounges, new routes, the sunrise cabin layout, and leaving an A380 spare just so there won't be an awkwardly timed planeload of passengers stuck overseas.

smi0006 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:58 am

Velocity7 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Scoot will suspend their SIN-OOL services indefinitely as from July 2023. It seems that OOL didn't meet expectations to continue past the AAIF subsidised period.

https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/pdf/ ... fy2223.pdf (Page 5)

Scoot have operated to OOL since 2012 no? I think any AAIF would have long expired unless a new deal was done? Somewhat surprising - appears they gave it a good go

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

getluv · Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:59 am

JJWess wrote:
getluv wrote:
JJWess wrote:
I wonder if we’ll get any route announcements… PER-CDG anyone?

If this happens, the news is probably embargoed.

Embargoed? Like... banned...?

News embargo

SCFlyer · Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:21 am

smi0006 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Scoot will suspend their SIN-OOL services indefinitely as from July 2023. It seems that OOL didn't meet expectations to continue past the AAIF subsidised period.

https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/pdf/ ... fy2223.pdf (Page 5)

Scoot have operated to OOL since 2012 no? I think any AAIF would have long expired unless a new deal was done? Somewhat surprising - appears they gave it a good go

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

SYD, MEL and PER on TR are close to, if not exceeding pre-pandemic levels.

TR's pullout and D7's delay to OOL are largely a "viability of the inbound LCC market into Queensland" issue, hence the subsidies.

YSSYplanespoter · Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:47 pm

tullamarine wrote:
He further reaffirms that WiFi will remain free of charge for all passengers...

Wow! Really? That's interesting.

tullamarine wrote:
Interestingly, QF could offer WiFi on some international services already being those operated by 738s or domestic A332s whilst they are flying over the Australian landmass but choose not to.

If you're on a flight to Perth, or NZ in a 737, and the wifi goes out, it's because the Wifi system is geo-locked. It only works if you're within approx. 200nm of the Australian coast. Good to hear that that annoyance will be sorted out soon-ish.

qf789 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:47 pm

Jetstar A321neoLR VH-OFS has its customer acceptance flight XFW-XFW on 21 Feb

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-azaw

YSSYplanespoter · Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:49 pm

elegiac wrote:
The Qantas profit has to be jaw dropping if they're announcing free wifi, new airline lounges, new routes, the sunrise cabin layout, and leaving an A380 spare just so there won't be an awkwardly timed planeload of passengers stuck overseas.

Analysts are apparently predicting a $1.3 billion profit from QF tomorrow.

ben175 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:56 pm

YSSYplanespoter wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
He further reaffirms that WiFi will remain free of charge for all passengers...

Wow! Really? That's interesting.

tullamarine wrote:
Interestingly, QF could offer WiFi on some international services already being those operated by 738s or domestic A332s whilst they are flying over the Australian landmass but choose not to.

If you're on a flight to Perth, or NZ in a 737, and the wifi goes out, it's because the Wifi system is geo-locked. It only works if you're within approx. 200nm of the Australian coast. Good to hear that that annoyance will be sorted out soon-ish.

I think Tullamarine was referring to the fact the wifi is switched off for the entire duration of the flight on routes like MEL/SYD-DPS, which over half of the flight is over Australia.

YSSYplanespoter · Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:10 pm

ben175 wrote:
YSSYplanespoter wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
He further reaffirms that WiFi will remain free of charge for all passengers...

Wow! Really? That's interesting.

tullamarine wrote:
Interestingly, QF could offer WiFi on some international services already being those operated by 738s or domestic A332s whilst they are flying over the Australian landmass but choose not to.

If you're on a flight to Perth, or NZ in a 737, and the wifi goes out, it's because the Wifi system is geo-locked. It only works if you're within approx. 200nm of the Australian coast. Good to hear that that annoyance will be sorted out soon-ish.

I think Tullamarine was referring to the fact the wifi is switched off for the entire duration of the flight on routes like MEL/SYD-DPS, which over half of the flight is over Australia.

Ah yes, of course. My bad.

DavidByrne · Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:24 pm

JJWess wrote:
But I reckon we might hear about a PER-AKL in preparation for the AKL-JFK service

When I saw the timings of the AKL-JFK service, the one thing I was sure of was that there would NOT be a PER connector. It would have to leave PER at 0445 in winter and 0345 in summer to make the connection. The most efficient time period for a bank of Aus-NA connections is the one in use by NZ: 6-8pm outbound and 7-9am inbound.

redroo · Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:04 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
JJWess wrote:
But I reckon we might hear about a PER-AKL in preparation for the AKL-JFK service

When I saw the timings of the AKL-JFK service, the one thing I was sure of was that there would NOT be a PER connector. It would have to leave PER at 0445 in winter and 0345 in summer to make the connection. The most efficient time period for a bank of Aus-NA connections is the one in use by NZ: 6-8pm outbound and 7-9am inbound.

To be fair the long haul connections through AKL from PER aren’t that great with long layovers. I always check for my USA trips but i don’t want to sit around AKL for half a day.

Velocity7 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:11 pm

smi0006 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Scoot will suspend their SIN-OOL services indefinitely as from July 2023. It seems that OOL didn't meet expectations to continue past the AAIF subsidised period.

https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/pdf/ ... fy2223.pdf (Page 5)

Scoot have operated to OOL since 2012 no? I think any AAIF would have long expired unless a new deal was done? Somewhat surprising - appears they gave it a good go

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Goodbye · Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:22 pm

Velocity7 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:

Scoot have operated to OOL since 2012 no? I think any AAIF would have long expired unless a new deal was done? Somewhat surprising - appears they gave it a good go

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Couldn't agree more - Sunshine Coast local here and the cost of accommodation is ridiculous - probably made worse by the fact that 99% of all accommodation is apartments. Only a couple of years ago we had our first "proper" hotel - a Holiday Inn Express constructed in Maroochydore but I haven't checked the price of those rooms.

qf789 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:41 pm

Results are in

$1.43 billion underlying before tax
Has exercised 9 purchase rights for A220-300 for delivery F26 and FY27
Sourcing 5 A319/320 for Network
3k to add 2 A320's
Add 3 A321p2F's
exercise options for another 12 E90's from Alliance

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ar-result/

SCFlyer · Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:50 pm

Velocity7 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:

Scoot have operated to OOL since 2012 no? I think any AAIF would have long expired unless a new deal was done? Somewhat surprising - appears they gave it a good go

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Another question is why does this seem to effect Queensland more than other states. Apart from the notable exception of VietJet, which has funding from the State of Victoria and Melbourne Airport, all other LCCs have long returned to (or have introduced) SYD/MEL and PER without the need for state funded incentives. Whereas the State of Queensland struggles and has to approach those LCCs themselves by drawing on their AAIF funds to get those LCCs to fly to Queensland.

qf789 · Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:50 pm

Qantas has also unveiled first and business class products for A350's

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... for-a350s/

Thatcher · Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:02 am

qf789 wrote:
Results are in

$1.43 billion underlying before tax

I wonder shall we see a 'Robodebt' campaign for companies propped up during the pandemic.

Thatcher · Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:07 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Another question is why does this seem to effect Queensland more than other states. Apart from the notable exception of VietJet, which has funding from the State of Victoria and Melbourne Airport, all other LCCs have long returned to (or have introduced) SYD/MEL and PER without the need for state funded incentives. Whereas the State of Queensland struggles and has to approach those LCCs themselves by drawing on their AAIF funds to get those LCCs to fly to Queensland.

VietJet have announced SYD as well. No indication in the coverage I have seen whether NSW and/or SACL offered inducements.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/vietjet-melbourne-sydney-ho-chi-minh-city

qf2220 · Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:16 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Another question is why does this seem to effect Queensland more than other states. Apart from the notable exception of VietJet, which has funding from the State of Victoria and Melbourne Airport, all other LCCs have long returned to (or have introduced) SYD/MEL and PER without the need for state funded incentives. Whereas the State of Queensland struggles and has to approach those LCCs themselves by drawing on their AAIF funds to get those LCCs to fly to Queensland.

I think its population really. SYD and MEL have about 5m each, SYD slightly more if Newcastle and Wollongong are drawn in. BNE is about 2m all up, maybe 2.5. PER is its own thing over there and is shorter to Asia anyway so i dont think is directly comparable.

jrfspa320 · Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:45 am

qf2220 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Another question is why does this seem to effect Queensland more than other states. Apart from the notable exception of VietJet, which has funding from the State of Victoria and Melbourne Airport, all other LCCs have long returned to (or have introduced) SYD/MEL and PER without the need for state funded incentives. Whereas the State of Queensland struggles and has to approach those LCCs themselves by drawing on their AAIF funds to get those LCCs to fly to Queensland.

I think its population really. SYD and MEL have about 5m each, SYD slightly more if Newcastle and Wollongong are drawn in. BNE is about 2m all up, maybe 2.5. PER is its own thing over there and is shorter to Asia anyway so i dont think is directly comparable.

I wouldn't be surprised if QLD'ers tend to travel in their own state a bit more too and can stay at home / dont need to escape the southern winters as much.

getluv · Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:49 am

Thatcher wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Results are in

$1.43 billion underlying before tax

I wonder shall we see a 'Robodebt' campaign for companies propped up during the pandemic.

I doubt it.

Any campaigns should be really left for companies that were claiming the money but made profits during the pandemic. Which I think some companies did due to public pressure.

BNEFlyer · Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:57 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:

Another question is why does this seem to effect Queensland more than other states. Apart from the notable exception of VietJet, which has funding from the State of Victoria and Melbourne Airport, all other LCCs have long returned to (or have introduced) SYD/MEL and PER without the need for state funded incentives. Whereas the State of Queensland struggles and has to approach those LCCs themselves by drawing on their AAIF funds to get those LCCs to fly to Queensland.

I think its population really. SYD and MEL have about 5m each, SYD slightly more if Newcastle and Wollongong are drawn in. BNE is about 2m all up, maybe 2.5. PER is its own thing over there and is shorter to Asia anyway so i dont think is directly comparable.

I wouldn't be surprised if QLD'ers tend to travel in their own state a bit more too and can stay at home / dont need to escape the southern winters as much.

Speaking for myself, I live in Brisbane and would rather spend a week in Singapore, Bangkok or Phuket than go down to the GC or up to Cairns or the Whitsundays. But I'd also fly SQ not TR or D7.

I'm surprised TR hasn't been able to make it work with inbound pax but not so much outbound. They were never really cheap enough to out-price SQ from BNE and make the trip to OOL worth it, so their pool of passengers came from the Gold Coast and northern NSW.

D7 maybe a little different as MH stopped flying to BNE for a while and at one point flew 737's. Air Asia X has also been flying to OOL longer than SIN.

We also need to consider that OOL is not SYD, MEL or PER. None of those cities has another international airport 2 hours away with airlines flying to the same destinations.

kriskim · Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:18 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

I wonder if Australia, and OOL has become too expensive for the inbound low cost leisure market?

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Another question is why does this seem to effect Queensland more than other states. Apart from the notable exception of VietJet, which has funding from the State of Victoria and Melbourne Airport, all other LCCs have long returned to (or have introduced) SYD/MEL and PER without the need for state funded incentives. Whereas the State of Queensland struggles and has to approach those LCCs themselves by drawing on their AAIF funds to get those LCCs to fly to Queensland.

I think in terms of MEL and SYD, there’s a few factors:

- Demand
- Population
- Possible Incentives
- Student/VFR
- Queensland is too expensive vs SE Asia

MEL/SYD have always generated the most demand from SE Asia, airlines are naturally attracted to markets that have the most demand. LCC’s have actually generated more demand, D7 for example has managed to do this with their cheaper fares. Students for example can visit their family back home more often and their families can also visit them here. Lower income earners in SE Asia can now also afford to holiday in Australia, they also naturally gravitate towards SYD and MEL, especially if it’s their first time. The two cities are unique and offer experiences you can’t get in Asia. If they wanted a beach holiday, they can get that for much cheaper in Asia.

Considering the current LCC’s, MEL/SYD are the largest markets for Malaysia (D7), Thailand (XJ), Singapore (TR), Philippines (5J) and Vietnam (VJ). With a mixture of markets to consider like Business, VFR, Student, Leisure etc…

I’m pretty sure some, if not all receive incentives in one form or another, it’s a little naive to think otherwise.

I’d also like to point out that Thai AirAsia X couldn’t make BNE work, their CEO stated that they always wanted to serve MEL and SYD but didn’t have the traffic rights to do so.

tullamarine · Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:55 am

kriskim wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:

Quite possibly. Trying to find reasonable accommodation on the Gold or Sunshine Coast for a fair price, even in off peak times, has become a unicorn post pandemic. I cannot fathom how they fill the thousands of rooms available per night with the current prices they charge. A regular of ours is now more than triple the price it was in 2020 with zero changes to what's on offer.

Another question is why does this seem to effect Queensland more than other states. Apart from the notable exception of VietJet, which has funding from the State of Victoria and Melbourne Airport, all other LCCs have long returned to (or have introduced) SYD/MEL and PER without the need for state funded incentives. Whereas the State of Queensland struggles and has to approach those LCCs themselves by drawing on their AAIF funds to get those LCCs to fly to Queensland.

I think in terms of MEL and SYD, there’s a few factors:

- Demand
- Population
- Possible Incentives
- Student/VFR
- Queensland is too expensive vs SE Asia

MEL/SYD have always generated the most demand from SE Asia, airlines are naturally attracted to markets that have the most demand. LCC’s have actually generated more demand, D7 for example has managed to do this with their cheaper fares. Students for example can visit their family back home more often and their families can also visit them here. Lower income earners in SE Asia can now also afford to holiday in Australia, they also naturally gravitate towards SYD and MEL, especially if it’s their first time. The two cities are unique and offer experiences you can’t get in Asia. If they wanted a beach holiday, they can get that for much cheaper in Asia.

Considering the current LCC’s, MEL/SYD are the largest markets for Malaysia (D7), Thailand (XJ), Singapore (TR), Philippines (5J) and Vietnam (VJ). With a mixture of markets to consider like Business, VFR, Student, Leisure etc…

I’m pretty sure some, if not all receive incentives in one form or another, it’s a little naive to think otherwise.

I’d also like to point out that Thai AirAsia X couldn’t make BNE work, their CEO stated that they always wanted to serve MEL and SYD but didn’t have the traffic rights to do so.

Subsidies are really only to entice the airline to start a new route and to give them some cover whilst they build up the market. They are not the primary driver of the business decision which will always be "Is there sufficient demand and do we have sufficent pricing power to make money on this route?"

myki · Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:15 pm

With Omani airspace opening up to all carriers, could this lead to LY starting their long awaited MEL-TLV flights?

https://twitter.com/CAAOMN/status/1628696772397744128

qf789 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:07 am

QF A380 OQI currently positioning LAX-LHR then onto AUH for maintenance

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqi

qf789 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:09 am

Korean Air ICN-SYD will operate 787-9 instead of A333 for NS23

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230223-kesw

qf789 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:49 am

Jetstar A321neo VH-OFU (D-AZWX) MSN11292, engine run and taxi test at XFW (22 Feb)

JetStar Airways A321neo Taxi Check D-AZWX VH-OFU MSN 11292 22.2.23 XFW by spottingatxfw, on Flickr

pommy80 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:55 am

qf789 wrote:
Korean Air ICN-SYD will operate 787-9 instead of A333 for NS23

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230223-kesw

Can't think of any other airline that has used such a wide variety of aircraft on a route to Sydney, over the past few years.

Obzerva · Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:15 am

pommy80 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Korean Air ICN-SYD will operate 787-9 instead of A333 for NS23

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230223-kesw

Can't think of any other airline that has used such a wide variety of aircraft on a route to Sydney, over the past few years.

SQ use at least 3 different types on the same day!

mrkerr7474 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:40 am

qf789 wrote:
QF A380 OQI currently positioning LAX-LHR then onto AUH for maintenance

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqi

I notice it's been in LAX for around a month before flying out and it would have been receiving back to service maintenance.

Can the maintenance that gets done in AUH not be done in LAX too? Or how come it can't fly straight to AUH and just have all the maintenance done in one place?

Sorry for the stupid question but can't say I'm a maintenance guru

evanb · Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:49 am

mrkerr7474 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF A380 OQI currently positioning LAX-LHR then onto AUH for maintenance

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqi

I notice it's been in LAX for around a month before flying out and it would have been receiving back to service maintenance.

Can the maintenance that gets done in AUH not be done in LAX too? Or how come it can't fly straight to AUH and just have all the maintenance done in one place?

Sorry for the stupid question but can't say I'm a maintenance guru

All sorts of different things and difficult to know without more specific inside knowledge. Likely heavy maintenance and the cabin refit in AUH, but the aircraft also needed a wing spar check. Given that QF have been doing the wing spar checks themselves (in collaboration with Airbus), they may have done that at LAX before heavy maintenance and/or cabin refit in AUH.

Solent · Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:53 am

Maybe SQ are going to give OOL a go

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SCFlyer · Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:14 am

Solent wrote:
Maybe SQ are going to give OOL a go

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Can't see that happening, TR are currently 3x weekly out of OOL, and the funding agreement (through the Aviation Attraction Investment Fund (AAIF)) between QAL, The State of Queensland and Scoot had incentives for 4x weekly initially before it was cut back to 3x weekly due to declining loads.

BNE iirc had a 4th SQ frequency pre-COVID that hasn't returned, I'd say there's a better chance some of the former 4th SQ BNE-SIN frequency (e.g 4x weekly) returning as a TR flight than SQ entering OOL.

Chipmunk1973 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:07 am

qf789 wrote:
Jetstar A321neo VH-OFU (D-AZWX) MSN11292, engine run and taxi test at XFW (22 Feb)

JetStar Airways A321neo Taxi Check D-AZWX VH-OFU MSN 11292 22.2.23 XFW by spottingatxfw, on Flickr

I love the look of the bigger diameter engines on the A321neo. Seems very slick.

Cheers.

Chipmunk1973 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:38 am

qf789 wrote:
Results are in

$1.43 billion underlying before tax
Has exercised 9 purchase rights for A220-300 for delivery F26 and FY27
Sourcing 5 A319/320 for Network
3k to add 2 A320's
Add 3 A321p2F's
exercise options for another 12 E90's from Alliance

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ar-result/

I would never have envisaged an A319 in QF colours, not even a neo.. I'm guessing they're looking at a cheap acquisition by going for the A319/320ceo. I wouldn't expect this aircraft would remain for too long in the inventory. Maybe ~ 4-5 years?

The A321F (P2F) fleet seems to be growing at a fast rate too.

The other thing that interests me is that I can't recall a time when QF has been so actively Pro Airbus. In the case of the A319/A320 purchases, was the B73H/B73G not an option? Makes me wonder how the "Widebody" replacement is playing out!?!?!?!?

Doesn't seem that long ago that all you saw in QF colours was a 747 and a 767.

Cheers.

a320fan · Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:06 am

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Results are in

$1.43 billion underlying before tax
Has exercised 9 purchase rights for A220-300 for delivery F26 and FY27
Sourcing 5 A319/320 for Network
3k to add 2 A320's
Add 3 A321p2F's
exercise options for another 12 E90's from Alliance

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ar-result/

I would never have envisaged an A319 in QF colours, not even a neo.. I'm guessing they're looking at a cheap acquisition by going for the A319/320ceo. I wouldn't expect this aircraft would remain for too long in the inventory. Maybe ~ 4-5 years?

The A321F (P2F) fleet seems to be growing at a fast rate too.

The other thing that interests me is that I can't recall a time when QF has been so actively Pro Airbus. In the case of the A319/A320 purchases, was the B73H/B73G not an option? Makes me wonder how the "Widebody" replacement is playing out!?!?!?!?

Doesn't seem that long ago that all you saw in QF colours was a 747 and a 767.

Cheers.

The second hand 319/320s will be for Network Aviation, who are currently an F100 and A320 operator. Makes sense to standardise the AOC around the A320 since they’re already in operation.

a320fan · Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:09 am

Apparently Boeing have once again halted delivery of the 787 due to a documentation issue with a part of the forward pressure bulkhead. It’s yet undetermined how this might affect the QF deliveries but if it drags on at all there may be some schedule tweaks needed for the international schedule later in the year.
https://australianaviation.com.au/2023/ ... -delivery/

kriskim · Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:19 am

VA’s current uniform is nearing 11 years and QF nearing 10, do you think we may see uniform refreshes anytime soon?

VA recently changed their logo, I’m not sure if this slight rebrand was suppose to be something more?

SCFlyer · Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:30 am

IF we go by Network Aviation's history in regards to used A320ceos, it's safe to assume the A320ceos from the 5 on 'order' will be transfers from Jetstar.

As for the A319s, it'll be interesting to see where the QF group will source the A319s from.

BNE · Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:36 am

Wifi back on Virgin Australia well some flights anyway.

Business and platinum free, $9.75 for 30 minutes, $19.75 for all the flight.

Will have to post up speedtest later but cracked 60

qf002 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:07 am

SCFlyer wrote:
IF we go by Network Aviation's history in regards to used A320ceos, it's safe to assume the A320ceos from the 5 on 'order' will be transfers from Jetstar.

As for the A319s, it'll be interesting to see where the QF group will source the A319s from.

It's specifically noted in the footnotes on page 18 of the financial results that there are 8x A320ceos planned for transfer from JQ and the 5x 320/319 are all being sourced externally.

getluv · Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:00 am

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EK413 · Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:11 am

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Jetstar A321neo VH-OFU (D-AZWX) MSN11292, engine run and taxi test at XFW (22 Feb)

JetStar Airways A321neo Taxi Check D-AZWX VH-OFU MSN 11292 22.2.23 XFW by spottingatxfw, on Flickr

I love the look of the bigger diameter engines on the A321neo. Seems very slick.

Cheers.

Just missing one minor detail I was hoping JQ would have adopted and that’s the Mask cockpit windows

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LoganTheBogan · Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:13 am

EK413 wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Jetstar A321neo VH-OFU (D-AZWX) MSN11292, engine run and taxi test at XFW (22 Feb)

JetStar Airways A321neo Taxi Check D-AZWX VH-OFU MSN 11292 22.2.23 XFW by spottingatxfw, on Flickr

I love the look of the bigger diameter engines on the A321neo. Seems very slick.

Cheers.

Just missing one minor detail I was hoping JQ would have adopted and that’s the Mask cockpit windows

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree! Would have looked fantastic and given it a really sporty look. Fits in with Australia too, where you can't go anywhere without burning your eyes out if you don't wear sunnies!

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