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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:22 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Alliance has announced to the ASX that it has entered into an agreement with AerCap to acquire another 30 E190s previously operated in the US. With MESA recently announcing it was ceasing contract flying for AA, it is fair to assume that they will be the source of these aircraft.


Mesa didn’t fly E190s for AA, in fact don’t fly E190s at all, so they’re not the source. YV flew CRJ900s for AA, and they’ve already been re-contracted by UA.

The only airline in the US with 30 E190s is JetBlue.


There are a few of the retired AC E190s stored, probably good for spare parts.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:31 am

The press release from Alliance specifically mentions aircraft currently on lease from AerCap and which have been with their current US operator since new.

AA (through US Airways) never had 30 E190s and many of the 20 they did have are already with Alliance.

Breeze only has 16 E-Jets, including six E195s. There are no other current operators of the E190 in the US.

As RyanairGuru says, the only US carrier that (a) has ever had 30 or more E190s, (b) still has E190s, and (c) has operated them since new is jetBlue (who also have many of their current 48 E190s on lease from AerCap).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:36 am

tullamarine wrote:
evanb wrote:
vhebb wrote:
Jetstar at it again, many cancellations and operational issues.

You would think after nearly 20yrs operating they would be a little more reliable.


What could they have learned in the last 20 years that would have helped them this weekend? Genuine question!

Passenger has heart attack and indication from persons providing assistance on board was to get the plane on the ground as soon as possible. Crew got the aircraft on the ground in 30 minutes. ASP doesn't have permanent customs and immigration. Border Force requires four weeks notice to staff a flight. Emergencies are handled, but Border Force has to make arrangements with NT Police or AFP for flight processing. I imagine these take time on a Sunday morning. And it's not as if either NT Police or AFP have large amounts of resources available at short notice in ASP. Similar challenges for ground handling.

I'm not sure what the alternative is?
* Carry on to an alternative port where these may be available? That's likely Adelaide several hours away.
* Have permanent Border Force? Not something Jetstar could solve, and it would come at considerable cost.
* Could they communicate better? Sure, but crew on board are dealing with limited information in a fluid and dynamic situation. Staff at operations are scrambling and trying to work a fluid and dynamic situation. It's also a Sunday morning and getting action from multiple players from Border Force, to NT Police/AFP, to maintenance, to catering, to ground handling, finding alternate options for passengers including rerouting with other airlines and/or finding a replacement aircraft and crew. Coordinating all of this is challenging, nevermind on a Sunday morning when a bunch of people are not answering their phones. Sometimes communication isn't their priority. Nobody is likely intentionally misleading anyone, but the situation is fluid and dynamic, errors get made under pressure, people misspeak or mishear things, etc.
* Could they have spare B788s waiting around as cover? Sure, but this comes at considerable cost and they're a LCC. Most airlines don't have significant numbers of spare aircraft waiting around, particularly not newer expensive aircraft, or when they don't have a particularly large fleet to spread that cost over.

Yes, some of this was out of JQ's hands but that doesn't excuse the appalling communication which Jetstar seems to excel at. You claim communication is not a priority; it should always be a priority. People can understand and cope with stuff-ups and delays. What they can't stand is being left in the dark. Once again, I feel sorry for the customer facing staff whilst management in Mascot and Melbourne hide behind their computers and either say nothing or management speak gobbledegook. Combining Jetstar's lack of competence in this area with both federal and NT public servants who feel the best way to advance a career is to do nothing was always going to be a balls-up.

You say Jetstar are limited in how they can respond because they are a LCC ignores the often advertised fact that they are part of the Qantas Group. AJ was proudly standing in front of a sign advertising both Qantas and Jetstar during last week's results announcement. QF can't disown them when it suits them and should step in to support, what are after all, their customers.


Exactly! When QF talk about new aircraft deliveries they have coming it includes JQ, but when they talk about OTP and cancellation rates it conveniently doesn't include JQ.

Can't have it both ways!

And evanb the JQ issues have pretty much been a daily occurrence, surely any excuses are now running thin? They have been operating for almost 20yrs and have now had multiple CEOs yet the performance never really improves, that's despite ongoing apologies and promises. Judging from all the comments around online from both passengers, current staff, ex staff, and service providers JQ is very much a broken company that can barely function.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:53 am

tullamarine wrote:
Yes, some of this was out of JQ's hands but that doesn't excuse the appalling communication which Jetstar seems to excel at. You claim communication is not a priority; it should always be a priority. People can understand and cope with stuff-ups and delays. What they can't stand is being left in the dark. Once again, I feel sorry for the customer facing staff whilst management in Mascot and Melbourne hide behind their computers and either say nothing or management speak gobbledegook. Combining Jetstar's lack of competence in this area with both federal and NT public servants who feel the best way to advance a career is to do nothing was always going to be a balls-up.

You say Jetstar are limited in how they can respond because they are a LCC ignores the often advertised fact that they are part of the Qantas Group. AJ was proudly standing in front of a sign advertising both Qantas and Jetstar during last week's results announcement. QF can't disown them when it suits them and should step in to support, what are after all, their customers.


Joyce is the group CEO and de facto CEO of Qantas, so yes he should be standing in front of that sign. I'm not sure how Qantas is disowning them in this case?

Jetstar are a LCC and their ability to keep prices somewhat lower than a full service carrier is to keep their cost structure significantly lower. In different parts of the world LCCs have used different mechanisms to do this, but one almost universal strategy is to maximise aircraft utilisation. Keeping large numbers of spare aircraft around undermines this. If one has extraordinary scale you can have a little more latitude. A spare B788 for Jetstar is going to be 10% slack, whereas if you have 300 B737s, a spare aircraft is only 0.3% slack.

I've worked in an operations centre and when things are going wrong communicating with passengers is not the priority. As shocking as one may think, your priority is solving the problem. To do this, you're speaking to a huge number of people, crew on the aircraft, ground handling and customer facing ground staff at the outstation, maintenance at base and outstation, catering, speaking with your aircraft scheduling team, crew scheduling, meteorology, external partners like customs and immigration, ATC or slot allocators, flight dispatchers, etc. You're chasing down people, sometimes people are not responding, sometimes you don't even have direct access to people. Yet, you're coordinating all of this and things change minute to minute while simultaneously trying to manage the downstream/knock-on effects (e.g. taking a plane from another flight compromises planning for that flight and needs to be managed too).

You communicate plans to the crew on the aircraft and within minutes everything has changed. The plane you thought was available isn't, or maintenance need extra time on it, or it's being delayed by ATC elsewhere, or a drunk pax is needing to be offloaded first, or the crew that you had found for it now tells you they'll time out, or the crew you found on standby is stuck in traffic because there are roadworks on the highway, etc etc. So you're going to get critiqued for communicating poor information. The alternative is that you know that plans evolve quickly so you choose to not communicate until you have certainty, and now you're get critiqued for not communicating. Either way, you're getting pinged. All this while managing a bunch of other flights, e.g. you can't ignore a problem with that SYD-MEL flight you're managing since you're trying to avoid it missing its slot and its pax missing their connection.

But back to prioritisation: if I'm in the ops centre and speaking to the dispatchers to try and get an alternative aircraft an hour sooner than the previous one I've found, and trying to help them move things around to get this to happen, should I delay that call, or the multiple follow-up calls and tasks required to call the crew to update the passengers that I may have found an aircraft, but now I need to find crew and get them to the right place and arrange catering for that flight (because you'll beed to carry catering from base) and the million other things required? While I understand the need to communicate with passengers, solving the problem is the priority. The airline isn't intentionally providing poor information or not providing information.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:06 am

There are plenty of LCCs in Europe / USA which operate in extremely competitive environments and strict passenger rights ensure airlines are very responsive with delays / compensation. Airlines in Australia are given free reign by the government to sell flights they know they haven't a hope of operating. JQ have next to no slack in their 787 timetabling, no airline in Europe would operate this way.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:37 am

While I understand the need to communicate with passengers, solving the problem is the priority.

Communication is a problem. Jetstar are poor at it and don't seem interested in fixing it.

Joyce is the group CEO and de facto CEO of Qantas, so yes he should be standing in front of that sign. I'm not sure how Qantas is disowning them in this case?

AJ is happy to stand in front of logos when he is announcing good news but when things are not so good he, like many Australian CEOs, remains silent and hides behind faceless Corporate Affairs departments. If Jetstar is having a major issue at a base where it has limited resources, you'd expect Qantas to step up and solve the problems. For example, this all happened on a Sunday when the QF domestic fleet is typically quieter than a weekday. Maybe, QF could have sent an A330 from BNE which was closer than the JQ787 in MEL to help resolve the situation.

JQ's appalling service standards and QF's indifference to them means they will have no one blame but themselves when a government chooses to impose EU style legislated penalties and service standards upon them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:20 am

vhebb wrote:
Exactly! When QF talk about new aircraft deliveries they have coming it includes JQ, but when they talk about OTP and cancellation rates it conveniently doesn't include JQ.

Can't have it both ways!


What are you talking about? The presentations at the interim and annual results each year provide a break down fleet planning and deliveries by brand. As recently as last week the presentation included detailed fleet planning by brand through FY 2029. It's been this way as long as I can recall.

vhebb wrote:
And evanb the JQ issues have pretty much been a daily occurrence, surely any excuses are now running thin? They have been operating for almost 20yrs and have now had multiple CEOs yet the performance never really improves, that's despite ongoing apologies and promises. Judging from all the comments around online from both passengers, current staff, ex staff, and service providers JQ is very much a broken company that can barely function.


I'd strongly disagree with you. The operational performance of Jetstar has declined significantly in the last two years - it's not been consistent. While it may have had challenges in the past, these have worsened dramatically since COVID. These have been analysed quite significantly, and many have attributed it to labor shortages, poor planning, parts supply chain challenges, and an over ambitious scheduling. The overly ambitious scheduling was made worse by being slow to adjust schedules when they were down a few aircraft due to some exogenous events (the lightning strike, the wing paint issues, etc). I think the critique about over ambitious scheduling and the slow response to this is most valid. Leadership were too slow to recognise the gravity of the situation. The events of the weekend have little to do with these, however it's reasonable to passengers to feel let down (I acknowledge that). What the weekend shows though is a key weakness in the Jetstar long haul operation (something which has been apparent for a while) which is the vulnerability of running a small long haul operation in a LCC model.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:47 am

tullamarine wrote:
If Jetstar is having a major issue at a base where it has limited resources, you'd expect Qantas to step up and solve the problems. For example, this all happened on a Sunday when the QF domestic fleet is typically quieter than a weekday. Maybe, QF could have sent an A330 from BNE which was closer than the JQ787 in MEL to help resolve the situation.


Unfortunately you're just throwing around a lot of hit and hope assumptions. How do you know that they didn't speak to QF or that QF didn't try to help?

While QF's A330s are typically less busy on a Sunday they'd also have a bunch of maintenance planned over the weekends and the crew scheduling would have been built around that. In this specific case, QF used a spare A330 and a standby crew on Saturday night to replace QF87 that diverted to BNE which then completed BNE-ICN. So the standby crew available in BNE that may have also been covering Sunday morning may have already been utilised. This would also have put a bunch of other crew out of place in the schedule limiting standby options - the crew from QF87 was in BNE and not ICN, now limited by a rest period. VH-QPJ (which returned to BNE) required significant work (replacing a windscreen on an A330 is not a quick task) which may have also slowed down scheduled maintenance on other aircraft. So maybe getting the replacement B788 to ASP themselves was still quicker than QF getting a A330 with crew to ASP. Again, you're assuming better options existed which likely didn't.

tullamarine wrote:
JQ's appalling service standards and QF's indifference to them means they will have no one blame but themselves when a government chooses to impose EU style legislated penalties and service standards upon them.


The mythical EU 261 returns ... FWIW, this flight wouldn't be due compensation and the required service standards wouldn't apply. EU 261 more than likely would have reduced the incentive for Jetstar to send a rescue aircraft. As weird as it may sound, since JQ 30 was a medical emergency, EU 261 is suspended. But EU 261 wouldn't be suspended on the knock-on effects to other flights, so it generates an incentive to not affect anything else in the schedule and let all the delays pile up on the "protected" flight. In this case, JQ cancelled JQ7 (MEL-SIN) in order to use the aircraft to go to ASP, moving the pax to other services, many likely arriving at their final destination late. If they would have been due compensation, it's likely that they wouldn't have cancelled JQ7 which would have slowed down the return from ASP further. This has been a key critique of many compensation mechanisms is that does not always generate the desired incentives.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:50 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
There are plenty of LCCs in Europe / USA which operate in extremely competitive environments and strict passenger rights ensure airlines are very responsive with delays / compensation. Airlines in Australia are given free reign by the government to sell flights they know they haven't a hope of operating. JQ have next to no slack in their 787 timetabling, no airline in Europe would operate this way.


Can you please show me the regulations which would have required a carrier in Europe or the US to provide compensation due to a delay caused by a medical emergency? Not only would EU 261 not have required compensation, it likely would have reduced the incentive for JQ to send a replacement aircraft since delays or cancellations due to the use of the aircraft for a rescue/recovery flight would not have been protected.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:56 am

evanb wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
There are plenty of LCCs in Europe / USA which operate in extremely competitive environments and strict passenger rights ensure airlines are very responsive with delays / compensation. Airlines in Australia are given free reign by the government to sell flights they know they haven't a hope of operating. JQ have next to no slack in their 787 timetabling, no airline in Europe would operate this way.


Can you please show me the regulations which would have required a carrier in Europe or the US to provide compensation due to a delay caused by a medical emergency? Not only would EU 261 not have required compensation, it likely would have reduced the incentive for JQ to send a replacement aircraft since delays or cancellations due to the use of the aircraft for a rescue/recovery flight would not have been protected.


A delay due a mechanical fault (as was this case during the diversion) is covered under EU air passenger rights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:02 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
evanb wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
There are plenty of LCCs in Europe / USA which operate in extremely competitive environments and strict passenger rights ensure airlines are very responsive with delays / compensation. Airlines in Australia are given free reign by the government to sell flights they know they haven't a hope of operating. JQ have next to no slack in their 787 timetabling, no airline in Europe would operate this way.


Can you please show me the regulations which would have required a carrier in Europe or the US to provide compensation due to a delay caused by a medical emergency? Not only would EU 261 not have required compensation, it likely would have reduced the incentive for JQ to send a replacement aircraft since delays or cancellations due to the use of the aircraft for a rescue/recovery flight would not have been protected.


A delay due a mechanical fault (as was this case during the diversion) is covered under EU air passenger rights.


Absolutely not, once there was a medical diversion, EU 261 does not provide compensation. Only technical problems which come to light during aircraft maintenance or are caused by failure to maintain an aircraft are due compensation. Technical problems which occur during flight, including during or as a result of diversions due to medical or weather related issues, are not due compensation.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:04 am

Unfortunately you're just throwing around a lot of hit and hope assumptions. How do you know that they didn't speak to QF or that QF didn't try to help?

Of course we don't because QF and JQ choose not to communicate anything. Once again, that is the problem which the 300 people who were stuck on the 787 would attest.

You seem to see everything in terms of dollars and metrics but completely ignore that airlines are a service industry and communication is a key because you are dealing with people. It is a classic consulting firm mentality. Over his time at QF, AJ's almost arrogant disregard of customers and lack of communication has been a consistent theme and it sours his legacy.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:10 am

evanb wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
evanb wrote:

Can you please show me the regulations which would have required a carrier in Europe or the US to provide compensation due to a delay caused by a medical emergency? Not only would EU 261 not have required compensation, it likely would have reduced the incentive for JQ to send a replacement aircraft since delays or cancellations due to the use of the aircraft for a rescue/recovery flight would not have been protected.


A delay due a mechanical fault (as was this case during the diversion) is covered under EU air passenger rights.


Absolutely not, once there was a medical diversion, EU 261 does not provide compensation. Only technical problems which come to light during aircraft maintenance or are caused by failure to maintain an aircraft are due compensation. Technical problems which occur during flight, including during or as a result of diversions due to medical or weather related issues, are not due compensation.


Unfortunately you are incorrect - there was a 2010 ruling on EU 261 which states along the lines that in the case of a disruption due to 'extraordinary circumstances' the airline must be able to demonstrate that it has taken all reasonable steps to reroute, rebook or otherwise move the passengers in the most timely fashion practicable. Jetstar may well be able to do that in this instance (given the complexities re the border), but EU 261 is not as black and white as you suggest.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:29 am

evanb wrote:
vhebb wrote:
Exactly! When QF talk about new aircraft deliveries they have coming it includes JQ, but when they talk about OTP and cancellation rates it conveniently doesn't include JQ.

Can't have it both ways!


What are you talking about? The presentations at the interim and annual results each year provide a break down fleet planning and deliveries by brand. As recently as last week the presentation included detailed fleet planning by brand through FY 2029. It's been this way as long as I can recall.

vhebb wrote:
And evanb the JQ issues have pretty much been a daily occurrence, surely any excuses are now running thin? They have been operating for almost 20yrs and have now had multiple CEOs yet the performance never really improves, that's despite ongoing apologies and promises. Judging from all the comments around online from both passengers, current staff, ex staff, and service providers JQ is very much a broken company that can barely function.


I'd strongly disagree with you. The operational performance of Jetstar has declined significantly in the last two years - it's not been consistent. While it may have had challenges in the past, these have worsened dramatically since COVID. These have been analysed quite significantly, and many have attributed it to labor shortages, poor planning, parts supply chain challenges, and an over ambitious scheduling. The overly ambitious scheduling was made worse by being slow to adjust schedules when they were down a few aircraft due to some exogenous events (the lightning strike, the wing paint issues, etc). I think the critique about over ambitious scheduling and the slow response to this is most valid. Leadership were too slow to recognise the gravity of the situation. The events of the weekend have little to do with these, however it's reasonable to passengers to feel let down (I acknowledge that). What the weekend shows though is a key weakness in the Jetstar long haul operation (something which has been apparent for a while) which is the vulnerability of running a small long haul operation in a LCC model.


evanb,

Please review the following 2 recent press releases relating to OTP and reliability:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... n-october/

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... mmer-peak/

Not a single reference is made to JQ. Yet if you read any of the press releases regarding capacity, ticket prices, new aircraft etc multiple references and details are made about JQ.

Also please review the half year presentation slides on the ASX. Numerous references to OTP, reliability, and cancellation rates are made on the QF slides. However nothing relating to the above is displayed or mentioned on any of the JQ slides.

That's called being selective when it only suits them.

Please stop making excuses.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:34 am

DeltaB717 wrote:
Unfortunately you are incorrect - there was a 2010 ruling on EU 261 which states along the lines that in the case of a disruption due to 'extraordinary circumstances' the airline must be able to demonstrate that it has taken all reasonable steps to reroute, rebook or otherwise move the passengers in the most timely fashion practicable. Jetstar may well be able to do that in this instance (given the complexities re the border), but EU 261 is not as black and white as you suggest.


This is what happens when people who have no idea what they're talking about get into details they don't know about. The "all reasonable measures" clause is Article 5(3) of EU 261, which is in reference to cancellations, not delays. I suspect the case you're referring to is Eglītis and Ratnieks - it's well known in the industry! As you'll see from the decision (you can read it here: https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/ ... doclang=en) it's a case based on Article 5(3) of EU 261 and in particular, a flight cancellation. This precedent of this ruling does not apply elsewhere and was not determination as to extraordinary circumstances related to delays relating to medical diversions and their sequelae.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:37 am

tullamarine wrote:
Unfortunately you're just throwing around a lot of hit and hope assumptions. How do you know that they didn't speak to QF or that QF didn't try to help?

Of course we don't because QF and JQ choose not to communicate anything. Once again, that is the problem which the 300 people who were stuck on the 787 would attest.

You seem to see everything in terms of dollars and metrics but completely ignore that airlines are a service industry and communication is a key because you are dealing with people. It is a classic consulting firm mentality. Over his time at QF, AJ's almost arrogant disregard of customers and lack of communication has been a consistent theme and it sours his legacy.


Maybe I do follow everything in dollars and metrics. That's a valid criticism. However, your arguments are a classic example of armchair quarterbacking with absolutely no practical knowledge or experience of contemporary airline operations or economics combined with a classic victim mentality.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:49 am

vhebb wrote:
Please review the following 2 recent press releases relating to OTP and reliability:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... n-october/

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... mmer-peak/

Not a single reference is made to JQ. Yet if you read any of the press releases regarding capacity, ticket prices, new aircraft etc multiple references and details are made about JQ.

Also please review the half year presentation slides on the ASX. Numerous references to OTP, reliability, and cancellation rates are made on the QF slides. However nothing relating to the above is displayed or mentioned on any of the JQ slides.

That's called being selective when it only suits them.

Please stop making excuses.


What point are you making? I never challenged the OTP data. Your claim was that they seperate the OTP data because it suits them but that they don't do that with fleet planning, even though they do. The press releases are clearly referring to OTP of QF airline and not the group

Indeed, OTP was mentioned under results highlights noting "Qantas Domestic largely restored to pre-COVID levels, OTP outperformance to main competitor in 5 out of 6 months" and "Strong rebound in Qantas Domestic NPS aligned with OTP improvements." A follow-up slide goes into this in more detail. They highlight it as something they have made progress on given how they were critiqued on it last year, however it's not a conspiracy that they don't refer to it as a highlight for Jetstar. OTP data is independent and transparent, buy a share in the group and go an question them about it at the AGM if you think they're misleading people.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:55 am

I’ve never flown Jetstar, this latest incident is why. I avoid them like the plague. I am even at the point where I may start avoiding Qantas also, all due to AJs attitude and his leadership style. My recent flight between LHR-SYD solidified my opinion, their standards have dropped.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:13 am

absolutely no practical knowledge or experience of contemporary airline operations or economics combined with a classic victim mentality.

What you call victim mentality, I call customer focussed service priorities.

Jetstar's failings are headline news on tonight's news. A service oriented business would be horrified at such coverage. In the mahogany halls in Mascot, I assume they just shrug and check their incentive payments.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:17 am

For those who couldn’t be bothered to read the ASX report hear it directly from the horses mouth.

https://youtu.be/PJHFQy1W5eM


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:21 am

Cam Wallace (ex Air New Zealand) to become CEO QF International & Freight from July 2023 - additionally new QF Domestic CEO to be appointed

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... m-changes/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:34 am

Qantas Says Too Many Airbus A380s Are Returning From Storage At Once
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/q ... 219f&ei=15
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:40 am

qf789 wrote:
aircountry wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Jetstar A321neoLR VH-OFU performed a taxi test and RTO at XFW on 24 Feb, first flight should be in the coming days

https://aibfamily.flights/A320/11292


Is this plane will deliver straight to Avalon for the Avalon International Airshow coming this friday? The Avalon airshow facebook said Jetstar A321neo will be there this weekend but doesnt say which aircraft will be there.


No it wont be OFU as that still hasnt done flight testing, it will have to be OFS which had its customer acceptance flight last week and should be ready for delivery


Thank you for the information only OFS will be there this weekend instead OFU. I will look forward to take pictures at the Avalon Airshow this weekend.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:12 am

adv40624 wrote:
Qantas Says Too Many Airbus A380s Are Returning From Storage At Once
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/q ... 219f&ei=15


That headline is misleading and that entire article is extrapolated from a single AJ quote...

"Every maintenance facility around the world is very full because every airline is trying to get their aircraft back up and running," Chief Executive Alan Joyce told Aviation International News.


The clickbait headline implies excess capacity rather than a maintainance bottleneck.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:09 am

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freshwater wrote:
adv40624 wrote:
Qantas Says Too Many Airbus A380s Are Returning From Storage At Once
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/q ... 219f&ei=15


That headline is misleading and that entire article is extrapolated from a single AJ quote...

"Every maintenance facility around the world is very full because every airline is trying to get their aircraft back up and running," Chief Executive Alan Joyce told Aviation International News.


The clickbait headline implies excess capacity rather than a maintainance bottleneck.


Sad thing is there’s been a mass exodus from QF Engineering, close to 200 skilled engineers have left thanks to AJ’s imposed wage freeze.

Couldn’t help but notice there’s a 738 parked in the hangars undergoing a heavy check earlier today at SIAEC and EBQ was recently sent to MNL for a C check. They are struggling to maintain the 737 and A330 fleets. 9 months for a C1 check on EBD, is a prime example.

One day, hopefully QF will wake up and assume some ownership and stop trying to blame everyone else, what did they call it ‘supply chain issues’, pure gold.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:21 pm

Jetstar A321neo VH-OFU currently on its first flight XFW-HAM-XFW

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-azwx
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:58 pm

JQ has another AOG 788. This time the plane is stuck in SGN due to a door fault. The required part to fix has to be flown in from SIN so the flight will depart for MEL tonight 24 hours late. Passengers were boarded twice before the fix was decided and are now going to be sent to hotels in Ho Chi Minh City. Pax was just on radio in Melbourne saying they are still laying on floor at SGN and have not been told about hotels as yet. Pretty poor that JQ make announcement to press in Australia before telling the pax stranded in SGN. Once again JQ/QF communications fail.

Pax from Sunday’s delayed BKK JQ flight have still not received their luggage.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:17 pm

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JQ has another AOG 788. This time the plane is stuck in SGN due to a door fault. The required part to fix has to be flown in from SIN so the flight will depart for MEL tonight 24 hours late. Passengers were boarded twice before the fix was decided and are now going to be sent to hotels in Ho Chi Minh City. Pax was just on radio in Melbourne saying they are still laying on floor at SGN and have not been told about hotels as yet. Pretty poor that JQ make announcement to press in Australia before telling the pax stranded in SGN. Once again JQ/QF communications fail.

Pax from Sunday’s delayed BKK JQ flight have still not received their luggage.


aircraft is VH-VKG.
Assuming it's the reason today's JQ7 MEL-SIN is cancelled.

Althought there is a JQ1007 MEL-SIN this morning, but assuming that's a recovery of yesterday's cancelled JQ7
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:53 pm

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Cam Wallace (ex Air New Zealand) to become CEO QF International & Freight from July 2023 - additionally new QF Domestic CEO to be appointed

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... m-changes/


Regardless of this, and perhaps because of it, I cant see AJ retiring before the first Sunrise flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:28 am

qf2220 wrote:
WLG787 wrote:
Cam Wallace (ex Air New Zealand) to become CEO QF International & Freight from July 2023 - additionally new QF Domestic CEO to be appointed

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... m-changes/


Regardless of this, and perhaps because of it, I cant see AJ retiring before the first Sunrise flights.


I could potentially see AJ potentially move into a position like Chairman so he's still around to cut the ribbon for project sunrise but to move aside and let someone else become Group CEO.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:37 am

utaussiefan wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
WLG787 wrote:
Cam Wallace (ex Air New Zealand) to become CEO QF International & Freight from July 2023 - additionally new QF Domestic CEO to be appointed

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... m-changes/


Regardless of this, and perhaps because of it, I cant see AJ retiring before the first Sunrise flights.


I could potentially see AJ potentially move into a position like Chairman so he's still around to cut the ribbon for project sunrise but to move aside and let someone else become Group CEO.

Probably unlikely. An incoming CEO would not like AJ to remain in any sort of position within QF as it would diminish their authority.

It is very rare in Australia for an outgoing CEO to get a board position in the same company unless there is a significant period of time between the person leaving the executive position and joining the BoD. An example I could think of would be James Strong at Qantas and there was 5 years between his departure as CEO in 2001 and joining the BoD in 2006.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:57 am

utaussiefan wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
WLG787 wrote:
Cam Wallace (ex Air New Zealand) to become CEO QF International & Freight from July 2023 - additionally new QF Domestic CEO to be appointed

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... m-changes/


Regardless of this, and perhaps because of it, I cant see AJ retiring before the first Sunrise flights.


I could potentially see AJ potentially move into a position like Chairman so he's still around to cut the ribbon for project sunrise but to move aside and let someone else become Group CEO.


IMHO, there would need to be some considerable time between any hypothetical AJ departure and him joining the Qantas BoD as a non-executive director at some point. Based on the assumption that the Sunrise timeframes are implemented as planned.

But who knows, many things can change between now and the first Sunrise flight (whenever that may be).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:59 am

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JQ has another AOG 788. This time the plane is stuck in SGN due to a door fault. The required part to fix has to be flown in from SIN so the flight will depart for MEL tonight 24 hours late. Passengers were boarded twice before the fix was decided and are now going to be sent to hotels in Ho Chi Minh City. Pax was just on radio in Melbourne saying they are still laying on floor at SGN and have not been told about hotels as yet. Pretty poor that JQ make announcement to press in Australia before telling the pax stranded in SGN. Once again JQ/QF communications fail.

Pax from Sunday’s delayed BKK JQ flight have still not received their luggage.


The luggage from JQ30 is now in MEL and will be sent out to passengers today

https://twitter.com/ChristineAhern/stat ... 58817?s=20
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:04 am

Air China will increase PEK-SYD from 3 to 4 weekly from 26 March 23, 77W will replace A333

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230228-casyd
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:09 am

Qantas is reducing flights to both ASP and AYQ over NS23 due to reduced demand

https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/q ... 2e54d&ei=9
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:16 am

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Qantas is reducing flights to both ASP and AYQ over NS23 due to reduced demand

https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/q ... 2e54d&ei=9

Unfortunately, due to the publicised civil strife in and around Alice Springs, the tourism industry in Central Australia has gone into freefall as the whole place is now perceived as a no-go zone. I'm not sure how true that view is but as the saying goes "shared perception is reality."
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:17 am

utaussiefan wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
WLG787 wrote:
Cam Wallace (ex Air New Zealand) to become CEO QF International & Freight from July 2023 - additionally new QF Domestic CEO to be appointed

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... m-changes/


Regardless of this, and perhaps because of it, I cant see AJ retiring before the first Sunrise flights.


I could potentially see AJ potentially move into a position like Chairman so he's still around to cut the ribbon for project sunrise but to move aside and let someone else become Group CEO.


This will almost never happen in Australian listed companies. Unlike the US, the Chair and the CEO are two distinct roles. There are exceptions but only in special cases. In this one, with QAN being a top code in the ASX, they'll follow best practice corporate governance and have an independent chair. Indeed, the whole board except for the CEO will almost always be independent from management in large ASX companies.

The position of Group CEO is as high level he will get for now (and probably want). Indeed, this is a new creation recently. In a previous formulation, the QF CEO controlled the whole group and all the direct reports were Exec General Managers. The creation of JQ was the start of the CEO-ification of the management group.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:51 am

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Probably unlikely. An incoming CEO would not like AJ to remain in any sort of position within QF as it would diminish their authority.

It is very rare in Australia for an outgoing CEO to get a board position in the same company unless there is a significant period of time between the person leaving the executive position and joining the BoD. An example I could think of would be James Strong at Qantas and there was 5 years between his departure as CEO in 2001 and joining the BoD in 2006.


If the next CEO is an outsider then that person would absolutely not want AJ around. It can severely undermine the successor and AJ will also know that. If the successor is his hand picked internal replacement then it's a different story.

Something that I could see happening is them splitting the role between Group CEO and Airline CEO. To some extent it would be a reorganisation of the group and allowing AJ's position to evolve. There is somewhat of an internal conflict of interest that has developed within the group, and separating the Group CEO role would generate a little more competition within the group. In an environment with higher interest rates and a higher cost of capital, generating a little more competition within the group to perform could be good. But it's difficult to exploit that internal competition for perfoirmance when the group and airline are the same and all subsidiaries are beneath them. A competition of equals within the group might generate a little more innovation and performance.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:05 am

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tullamarine wrote:
Probably unlikely. An incoming CEO would not like AJ to remain in any sort of position within QF as it would diminish their authority.

It is very rare in Australia for an outgoing CEO to get a board position in the same company unless there is a significant period of time between the person leaving the executive position and joining the BoD. An example I could think of would be James Strong at Qantas and there was 5 years between his departure as CEO in 2001 and joining the BoD in 2006.


If the next CEO is an outsider then that person would absolutely not want AJ around. It can severely undermine the successor and AJ will also know that. If the successor is his hand picked internal replacement then it's a different story.

Something that I could see happening is them splitting the role between Group CEO and Airline CEO. To some extent it would be a reorganisation of the group and allowing AJ's position to evolve. There is somewhat of an internal conflict of interest that has developed within the group, and separating the Group CEO role would generate a little more competition within the group. In an environment with higher interest rates and a higher cost of capital, generating a little more competition within the group to perform could be good. But it's difficult to exploit that internal competition for perfoirmance when the group and airline are the same and all subsidiaries are beneath them. A competition of equals within the group might generate a little more innovation and performance.

Even if AJ was involved in picking a successor, there is no way he could stay around. If he is still there in any capacity, the new CEO would be perceived as his lackey and be considered a much diminished figure. There is also the political danger that other AJ appointees in the executive team will defer to him rather than the CEO. It would be chaos.

If AJ and the BoD agree his time is up then AJ should leave and move onto something else completely. He has been largely successful in his role at QF so would be attractive to other airlines globally if that is what he still wanted to do. On the other hand, he is now very wealthy from both his significant salary package as well as shareholding in QF. He may choose an early retirement along with some board positions outside of the aviation industry.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:33 am

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tullamarine wrote:
Probably unlikely. An incoming CEO would not like AJ to remain in any sort of position within QF as it would diminish their authority.

It is very rare in Australia for an outgoing CEO to get a board position in the same company unless there is a significant period of time between the person leaving the executive position and joining the BoD. An example I could think of would be James Strong at Qantas and there was 5 years between his departure as CEO in 2001 and joining the BoD in 2006.


If the next CEO is an outsider then that person would absolutely not want AJ around. It can severely undermine the successor and AJ will also know that. If the successor is his hand picked internal replacement then it's a different story.

Something that I could see happening is them splitting the role between Group CEO and Airline CEO. To some extent it would be a reorganisation of the group and allowing AJ's position to evolve. There is somewhat of an internal conflict of interest that has developed within the group, and separating the Group CEO role would generate a little more competition within the group. In an environment with higher interest rates and a higher cost of capital, generating a little more competition within the group to perform could be good. But it's difficult to exploit that internal competition for perfoirmance when the group and airline are the same and all subsidiaries are beneath them. A competition of equals within the group might generate a little more innovation and performance.


Theyve already got Group CEO - AJ. Reporting to him are the CEOs of QFI+F, QFD, JQ, QL, and then a number of group executives (CFO etc).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:32 am

South African is leasing 2 a333’s to resume long haul services, PER and GRU will be the first resumed services. The second stage will see SAA lease some A350’s of which they are looking at launching a second Australian service, they are leaning towards MEL

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... um=twitter
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:50 am

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South African is leasing 2 a333’s to resume long haul services, PER and GRU will be the first resumed services. The second stage will see SAA lease some A350’s of which they are looking at launching a second Australian service, they are leaning towards MEL

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... um=twitter

Maybe this kind of explains why PAPL are a bit "meh" as to whether QF resume PER-JNB or not. VA will be pleased to get another of its partners back into Velocity and would probably look to codeshare on any AU routes SAA chooses to launch.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:57 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
South African is leasing 2 a333’s to resume long haul services, PER and GRU will be the first resumed services. The second stage will see SAA lease some A350’s of which they are looking at launching a second Australian service, they are leaning towards MEL

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... um=twitter

Maybe this kind of explains why PAPL are a bit "meh" as to whether QF resume PER-JNB or not. VA will be pleased to get another of its partners back into Velocity and would probably look to codeshare on any AU routes SAA chooses to launch.

QF as always going to miss the boat…

They’ve had an opportunity to implement a new route but out of spite chooses to discontinue the service…


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:59 am

VH-OFS delivery flight has been scheduled:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-ofs

May be AVV tomorrow night or Thursday
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:07 am

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tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
South African is leasing 2 a333’s to resume long haul services, PER and GRU will be the first resumed services. The second stage will see SAA lease some A350’s of which they are looking at launching a second Australian service, they are leaning towards MEL

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... um=twitter

Maybe this kind of explains why PAPL are a bit "meh" as to whether QF resume PER-JNB or not. VA will be pleased to get another of its partners back into Velocity and would probably look to codeshare on any AU routes SAA chooses to launch.

QF as always going to miss the boat…

They’ve had an opportunity to implement a new route but out of spite chooses to discontinue the service…


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:12 am

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VH-OFS delivery flight has been scheduled:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-ofs

May be AVV tomorrow night or Thursday


OFS won’t arrive here until Thursday

OFQ positioned MEL-AVV this morning
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:49 am

EK413 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
South African is leasing 2 a333’s to resume long haul services, PER and GRU will be the first resumed services. The second stage will see SAA lease some A350’s of which they are looking at launching a second Australian service, they are leaning towards MEL

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... um=twitter

Maybe this kind of explains why PAPL are a bit "meh" as to whether QF resume PER-JNB or not. VA will be pleased to get another of its partners back into Velocity and would probably look to codeshare on any AU routes SAA chooses to launch.

QF as always going to miss the boat…

They’ve had an opportunity to implement a new route but out of spite chooses to discontinue the service…

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Unfortunately that's the way both QF and JQ operate, it's their way or no way. They use this same approach across the entire business including dealings with suppliers, staff, and even customers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:01 am

Not sure if this was mentioned but seems like VA quietly started selling Japan originating tickets on its HND link and tickets are not cheap at all. I was expecting a price gap but on some days its almost double.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2023

Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:44 am

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grh wrote:
VH-OFS delivery flight has been scheduled:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-ofs

May be AVV tomorrow night or Thursday


OFS won’t arrive here until Thursday

OFQ positioned MEL-AVV this morning


yes its OFQ is here at Avalon now.
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:11 am

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Not sure if this was mentioned but seems like VA quietly started selling Japan originating tickets on its HND link and tickets are not cheap at all. I was expecting a price gap but on some days its almost double.

$1032 return I saw
60% lower than next best price

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