Australian Aviation Thread - March 2023

qf2220 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:06 am

Random question. Why does QF Domestic start flight numbers at 400? And why is QF Link 1600+ Why not another number (eg 500/1500)?

tullamarine · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:23 am

qf2220 wrote:
Random question. Why does QF Domestic start flight numbers at 400? And why is QF Link 1600+ Why not another number (eg 500/1500)?

It was just decided when Australian Airlines(TN) merged with Qantas that all the domestic mainline numbers would be renumbered to commence from QF400. I assume they felt 200 international pairs would be more than they ever needed.

EK413 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:36 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
JQ's newest toy, A321neoLR VH-OFS, arrived at MEL this morning around 0630hrs.

Hopefully it can get to work soon, the 787 are dropping like flies

You must be referring to these poor buggers hoping to have a cold BinTang.

After roughly 5 hour delay they had a tour of T2 / T3 only to return back to where they started.

-VKI appeared to have a mechanical issue hence the delay and cancellation.

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angusjt · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:47 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Random question. Why does QF Domestic start flight numbers at 400? And why is QF Link 1600+ Why not another number (eg 500/1500)?

It was just decided when Australian Airlines(TN) merged with Qantas that all the domestic mainline numbers would be renumbered to commence from QF400. I assume they felt 200 international pairs would be more than they ever needed.

On this note it seems that quite a few have been re-numbered post-covid, QF57X-58X were used prior to 2021 on SYD<>PER flights yet they're now QF64X

jrfspa320 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:49 am

EK413 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
JQ's newest toy, A321neoLR VH-OFS, arrived at MEL this morning around 0630hrs.

Hopefully it can get to work soon, the 787 are dropping like flies

You must be referring to these poor buggers hoping to have a cold BinTang.

After roughly 5 hour delay they had a tour of T2 / T3 only to return back to where they started.

-VKI appeared to have a mechanical issue hence the delay and cancellation.

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And today's JQ17/18/29/30 all cancelled. There's no way QF will want the 788s back in mainline, they have the worst dispatch reliability in the QF group.

getluv · Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:11 am

angusjt wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Random question. Why does QF Domestic start flight numbers at 400? And why is QF Link 1600+ Why not another number (eg 500/1500)?

It was just decided when Australian Airlines(TN) merged with Qantas that all the domestic mainline numbers would be renumbered to commence from QF400. I assume they felt 200 international pairs would be more than they ever needed.

On this note it seems that quite a few have been re-numbered post-covid, QF57X-58X were used prior to 2021 on SYD<>PER flights yet they're now QF64X

Yes they cleaned up their domestic and New Zealand flight numbers to be sequential. OCD for the win. SYD-ZQN being the only outlier with QF123 taking off before QF121.

It's a pity they didn't clean up their International flight numbering. I recall they purposely didn't have sequential numbers to not confuse passengers where they have multiple flights back to Australia from ports like SIN. e.g. QF82, QF72, QF36, QF52.

EK413 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:14 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:

Hopefully it can get to work soon, the 787 are dropping like flies

You must be referring to these poor buggers hoping to have a cold BinTang.

After roughly 5 hour delay they had a tour of T2 / T3 only to return back to where they started.

-VKI appeared to have a mechanical issue hence the delay and cancellation.

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And today's JQ17/18/29/30 all cancelled. There's no way QF will want the 788s back in mainline, they have the worst dispatch reliability in the QF group.

Yes, their dispatch reliability is terrible. You have good days with the minimal delay whilst on your bad days there are multiple B788 delays.

Western Sydney Airport has been given WSI as international code identifier.

https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-ze ... e-wsi.html

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qf2220 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:18 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Random question. Why does QF Domestic start flight numbers at 400? And why is QF Link 1600+ Why not another number (eg 500/1500)?

It was just decided when Australian Airlines(TN) merged with Qantas that all the domestic mainline numbers would be renumbered to commence from QF400. I assume they felt 200 international pairs would be more than they ever needed.

With various codeshares in place now, I wonder how many they actually have spare?

tullamarine · Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:20 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:

Hopefully it can get to work soon, the 787 are dropping like flies

You must be referring to these poor buggers hoping to have a cold BinTang.

After roughly 5 hour delay they had a tour of T2 / T3 only to return back to where they started.

-VKI appeared to have a mechanical issue hence the delay and cancellation.

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And today's JQ17/18/29/30 all cancelled. There's no way QF will want the 788s back in mainline, they have the worst dispatch reliability in the QF group.

It is getting beyond a joke. Either they are stretching the fleet way too thin or there are serious issues with maintenance. I have heard of criticisms about aircraft cleaning on the 787s also which once again suggests timetables are too tight for the aircraft to be properly maintained when turned around.

With all the ongoing issues with the JQ788 fleet, you wonder if CASA are going to have a look at maintenance standards though they have tended to be very deferential to QF over the years so may be prepared to turn a blind eye for now.

smi0006 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:24 am

Have seen on linked in Western Sydney now has an IATA code - WSI ! One step closer

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 1677720254

DeltaB717 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:33 am

qf2220 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Random question. Why does QF Domestic start flight numbers at 400? And why is QF Link 1600+ Why not another number (eg 500/1500)?

It was just decided when Australian Airlines(TN) merged with Qantas that all the domestic mainline numbers would be renumbered to commence from QF400. I assume they felt 200 international pairs would be more than they ever needed.

With various codeshares in place now, I wonder how many they actually have spare?

Not many of the codeshares use QFxxx, QF1xxx or QF2xxx - there are some, but only a very few. The EK codeshares are QF8xxx and the JQ codeshares are QF5xxx for example.

QLink services start at QF14xx with Dash 8 services on several routes, including SYD-CBR/WTB/BXG and, if I'm not mistaken, SYD-OAG.

qf789 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:06 am

LATAM pushed back MEL resumption to 1 Sep 23

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230302-lamel

China Southern to operate 2 class A359 on CAN-SYD replace 3 class A359 for NS23

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230302-czsyd

qf2048 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:49 am

DeltaB717 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
It was just decided when Australian Airlines(TN) merged with Qantas that all the domestic mainline numbers would be renumbered to commence from QF400. I assume they felt 200 international pairs would be more than they ever needed.

With various codeshares in place now, I wonder how many they actually have spare?

Not many of the codeshares use QFxxx, QF1xxx or QF2xxx - there are some, but only a very few. The EK codeshares are QF8xxx and the JQ codeshares are QF5xxx for example.

QLink services start at QF14xx with Dash 8 services on several routes, including SYD-CBR/WTB/BXG and, if I'm not mistaken, SYD-OAG.

OAG flight numbers are 20XX. Incidentally OAG has had a slight upgrade in QF flights. They've added an Evening SYD departure, only on Monday and Tuesday. Overnights and returns to SYD @ 7:25am. Always seems to be on the Q200 so they might not run to LDH on those days?

Not sure if it's affecting ZL, they have of late have been combining PKE and OAG into the one milk run flight on their same timed flight. BTW ZL is always the cheaper of the two on all flights on this route.

Pcoder · Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:11 am

smi0006 wrote:
Have seen on linked in Western Sydney now has an IATA code - WSI ! One step closer

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 1677720254

I'd preferred SWZ, but I guess they may wanted to use SWZ for Sydney area airports, like LON for London and TYO for Tokyo

AdvancedBikkie · Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:18 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
And today's JQ17/18/29/30 all cancelled. There's no way QF will want the 788s back in mainline, they have the worst dispatch reliability in the QF group.

I wonder why the 788s are so much worse than the 789s, given they are very similar aircraft. And the 788s aren't even that old!

jrfspa320 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:25 am

AdvancedBikkie wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
And today's JQ17/18/29/30 all cancelled. There's no way QF will want the 788s back in mainline, they have the worst dispatch reliability in the QF group.

I wonder why the 788s are so much worse than the 789s, given they are very similar aircraft. And the 788s aren't even that old!

They are comparatively a lot older than QFs 789 and were fairly early builds, build quality generally improves as production moves along. I think this was one of the reasons QF allocated these birds to JQ in the first place.

qf2220 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:30 am

Pcoder wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Have seen on linked in Western Sydney now has an IATA code - WSI ! One step closer

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 1677720254

I'd preferred SWZ, but I guess they may wanted to use SWZ for Sydney area airports, like LON for London and TYO for Tokyo

Whats the origin of the Z in SWZ? And why would the W be relevant for SWZ to represent Sydney airports? Is it for S(yd)W(si)Z?

Obzerva · Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:52 am

Generally speaking, it'd be desirable if there was an overarching code for both Melbourne and Sydney areas, rather than having a code that is shared for both the area and one of the airports within the area
Plenty of other cities have the same issue, but Seoul, London, New York, Moscow, etc definitely have it right.

Using Seoul as the example, Gimpo (GMP) used to be SEL, but now SEL is the overarching code for Seoul rather than airport specific.

I'm sure there's pros and cons, but maybe Tullamarine and Mascot should consider an IATA code change.
(whatever that process is)

jrfspa320 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:57 am

Obzerva wrote:
Generally speaking, it'd be desirable if there was an overarching code for both Melbourne and Sydney areas, rather than having a code that is shared for both the area and one of the airports within the area
Plenty of other cities have the same issue, but Seoul, London, New York, Moscow, etc definitely have it right.

Using Seoul as the example, Gimpo (GMP) used to be SEL, but now SEL is the overarching code for Seoul rather than airport specific.

I'm sure there's pros and cons, but maybe Tullamarine and Mascot should consider an IATA code change.
(whatever that process is)

JQ use VIZ for both melbourne airports, no idea where they get that from.

FromCDGtoSYD · Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:12 am

Obzerva wrote:
Generally speaking, it'd be desirable if there was an overarching code for both Melbourne and Sydney areas, rather than having a code that is shared for both the area and one of the airports within the area
Plenty of other cities have the same issue, but Seoul, London, New York, Moscow, etc definitely have it right.

Using Seoul as the example, Gimpo (GMP) used to be SEL, but now SEL is the overarching code for Seoul rather than airport specific.

I'm sure there's pros and cons, but maybe Tullamarine and Mascot should consider an IATA code change.
(whatever that process is)

Cities such as Bangkok and Shanghai use BKK and SHA despite having airports using the same codes. I agree that having an overarching code that is distinct, but at the end of the day it doesn’t really make a huge difference.

Pcoder · Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:19 am

qf2220 wrote:
Pcoder wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Have seen on linked in Western Sydney now has an IATA code - WSI ! One step closer

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 1677720254

I'd preferred SWZ, but I guess they may wanted to use SWZ for Sydney area airports, like LON for London and TYO for Tokyo

Whats the origin of the Z in SWZ? And why would the W be relevant for SWZ to represent Sydney airports? Is it for S(yd)W(si)Z?

Z or X in IATA codes typically mean nothing are just to fill the space, so a code like S(ydney) W(estern) Z airport, would be similar to L(os) A(ngeles) X airport.

Another reason why they might have gone with WSI is to possibly avoid confusion with similar IATA codes out of Sydney airports as have SYD and SWZ, semi look similar and could be easy to be mistaken, so using WSI which visually doesn't look like SYD might have been chosen to prevent the enviable case of overworked airport staff accidentally assigning the wrong airport to a passenger.

Obzerva · Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:20 am

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Generally speaking, it'd be desirable if there was an overarching code for both Melbourne and Sydney areas, rather than having a code that is shared for both the area and one of the airports within the area
Plenty of other cities have the same issue, but Seoul, London, New York, Moscow, etc definitely have it right.

Using Seoul as the example, Gimpo (GMP) used to be SEL, but now SEL is the overarching code for Seoul rather than airport specific.

I'm sure there's pros and cons, but maybe Tullamarine and Mascot should consider an IATA code change.
(whatever that process is)

Cities such as Bangkok and Shanghai use BKK and SHA despite having airports using the same codes. I agree that having an overarching code that is distinct, but at the end of the day it doesn’t really make a huge difference.

IATA codes are a bit of a mess generally.
Cities with multiple airports with an overarching code
Cities with multiple airports without an overarching code
Cities with IATA codes based on the citiy's old name from decades ago (looking at Ho Chi Minh City and St Petersburg)
Cities that update their IATA code instantly when they change the city name (how quick was Nur-Sultan)

Consistency would be nice, but probably not realistic.

angusjt · Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:21 am

smi0006 wrote:
Have seen on linked in Western Sydney now has an IATA code - WSI ! One step closer :)

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 1677720254

Western Sydney International?

Very welcome change, I have no idea why but SWZ always made me think of Shenzen

mrkerr7474 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 am

With the upcoming design realese this year with PE class on the Project Sunrise aircraft for QF, they're looking to make this with 40inch pitch. Not overally revolutionary is it when you have Air NZ and JL with 40inch pitch currently in PE. Surely if they could make it work a 42inch would be better? Or is that dreaming an airline doing that?

Suppose the fact it will be a cradle seat is the counter offer of only 40inch pitch?

tullamarine · Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:10 am

mrkerr7474 wrote:
With the upcoming design realese this year with PE class on the Project Sunrise aircraft for QF, they're looking to make this with 40inch pitch. Not overally revolutionary is it when you have Air NZ and JL with 40inch pitch currently in PE. Surely if they could make it work a 42inch would be better? Or is that dreaming an airline doing that?

Suppose the fact it will be a cradle seat is the counter offer of only 40inch pitch?

The issue is whether the recline impinges on the person behind; that is the real issue with the current "revolutionary" seat which had increased recline that just meant the person behind is stranded when the seat in front goes back.

VA had 41" in W on its 77Ws which was a very comfortable product.

smi0006 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:54 am

angusjt wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Have seen on linked in Western Sydney now has an IATA code - WSI ! One step closer

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 1677720254

Western Sydney International?

Very welcome change, I have no idea why but SWZ always made me think of Shenzen

Agreed - I suspect they really want to market and drive home they are an international airport… lots of marketing

smi0006 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:01 am

tullamarine wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
With the upcoming design realese this year with PE class on the Project Sunrise aircraft for QF, they're looking to make this with 40inch pitch. Not overally revolutionary is it when you have Air NZ and JL with 40inch pitch currently in PE. Surely if they could make it work a 42inch would be better? Or is that dreaming an airline doing that?

Suppose the fact it will be a cradle seat is the counter offer of only 40inch pitch?

The issue is whether the recline impinges on the person behind; that is the real issue with the current "revolutionary" seat which had increased recline that just meant the person behind is stranded when the seat in front goes back.

VA had 41" in W on its 77Ws which was a very comfortable product.

Recently flew UA - SFO-SYD PE - was great both from pitch and recline. Seat pitch is 38 - l believe, loads of space! How much does QF have on their 789? Surely not this much.

UA is interesting- they clearly have invested huge amounts in their hard product, and meals. But their crew still remain so average. Would rate QF or Nz crew over them in a heart beat!

qf2048 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:44 am

smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
With the upcoming design realese this year with PE class on the Project Sunrise aircraft for QF, they're looking to make this with 40inch pitch. Not overally revolutionary is it when you have Air NZ and JL with 40inch pitch currently in PE. Surely if they could make it work a 42inch would be better? Or is that dreaming an airline doing that?

Suppose the fact it will be a cradle seat is the counter offer of only 40inch pitch?

The issue is whether the recline impinges on the person behind; that is the real issue with the current "revolutionary" seat which had increased recline that just meant the person behind is stranded when the seat in front goes back.

VA had 41" in W on its 77Ws which was a very comfortable product.

Recently flew UA - SFO-SYD PE - was great both from pitch and recline. Seat pitch is 38 - l believe, loads of space! How much does QF have on their 789? Surely not this much.

UA is interesting- they clearly have invested huge amounts in their hard product, and meals. But their crew still remain so average. Would rate QF or Nz crew over them in a heart beat!

According to SeatGuru QF have 38 inch pitch on their 789's in PE

mrkerr7474 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:54 am

qf2048 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
The issue is whether the recline impinges on the person behind; that is the real issue with the current "revolutionary" seat which had increased recline that just meant the person behind is stranded when the seat in front goes back.

VA had 41" in W on its 77Ws which was a very comfortable product.

Recently flew UA - SFO-SYD PE - was great both from pitch and recline. Seat pitch is 38 - l believe, loads of space! How much does QF have on their 789? Surely not this much.

UA is interesting- they clearly have invested huge amounts in their hard product, and meals. But their crew still remain so average. Would rate QF or Nz crew over them in a heart beat!

According to SeatGuru QF have 38 inch pitch on their 789's in PE

Which I believe is correct. I haven't personally tried 789 PE on QF but there's been lots of complaints since it came out saying that it felt too cramped, especially when the person in front reclined

moa999 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:56 am

Only concern with WSI as a code is if the airport ever gets US services.

Easy mistake for your baggage to end up in New Orleans (MSI). Probably less of an issue in today's automated systems.

NTLDaz · Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:19 am

moa999 wrote:
Only concern with WSI as a code is if the airport ever gets US services.

Easy mistake for your baggage to end up in New Orleans (MSI). Probably less of an issue in today's automated systems.

N'awlins is MSY.

LoganTheBogan · Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:43 am

Not slagging on JQ, but what actually is the issue with their 787-8s? I fly JQ plenty of times yearly and am one of the lucky ones that manage to slip through without ever having an issue. But working in the ROC for the group regional, I still haven't managed to figure out why the operational reliability on them is so poor and nor can anyone else I work with...

YSSYplanespoter · Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:46 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Not slagging on JQ, but what actually is the issue with their 787-8s? I fly JQ plenty of times yearly and am one of the lucky ones that manage to slip through without ever having an issue. But working in the ROC for the group regional, I still haven't managed to figure out why the operational reliability on them is so poor and nor can anyone else I work with...

Wasn't there a rumour that when the JQ A330s came to QF, the QF maintenance guys were shocked at how they were maintained? Or am I just making that up? If so, then perhaps that might be one piece of the clue. I also suspect that part of the reason that is because there aren't any spare frames, there is a massive knock-on effect when one flight gets delayed. There basically isn't any breathing space.

D7A330 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:05 pm

DeltaB717 wrote:
A mate of mine (who has a video on youtube) flew on the neo from MEL to SYD and loved the seat. Admittedly not a long flight, but he said they were more comfortable than the QF B737s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hngbR2aGLf8

I'll second this - flew OFP from HBA-MEL last month and was impressed with the seats. Surprisingly comfortable and feel much more spacious than the QF 737 I flew on the following day.

EK413 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:09 pm

YSSYplanespoter wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Not slagging on JQ, but what actually is the issue with their 787-8s? I fly JQ plenty of times yearly and am one of the lucky ones that manage to slip through without ever having an issue. But working in the ROC for the group regional, I still haven't managed to figure out why the operational reliability on them is so poor and nor can anyone else I work with...

Wasn't there a rumour that when the JQ A330s came to QF, the QF maintenance guys were shocked at how they were maintained? Or am I just making that up? If so, then perhaps that might be one piece of the clue. I also suspect that part of the reason that is because there aren't any spare frames, there is a massive knock-on effect when one flight gets delayed. There basically isn't any breathing space.

Wasn’t the JQ A330 fleet maintained by QF engineering?

I believe the issue JQ are presently experiencing would be the lack of engineers.

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waoz1 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:36 pm

SAA may be returning to Perth this year after looking to lease some widebody aircraft.

https://www.engineeringnews.co.za/artic ... ep_id:4136

qf789 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:59 pm

QF945 BNE-PER diverting to KGI

Goodbye · Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:49 pm

getluv wrote:
Looks like no one touched on the fact Rex announced that they were still unprofitable yesterday, including the media.

Such a pity - I flew them for the first time this week BNE-MEL for work, and they were fantastic. Miles ahead of Virgin who I normally travel with. Nice friendly crew, good food, flight was on time. I've put the request in to my work to travel with them over VA more often.

smi0006 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:52 pm

Goodbye wrote:
getluv wrote:
Looks like no one touched on the fact Rex announced that they were still unprofitable yesterday, including the media.

Such a pity - I flew them for the first time this week BNE-MEL for work, and they were fantastic. Miles ahead of Virgin who I normally travel with. Nice friendly crew, good food, flight was on time. I've put the request in to my work to travel with them over VA more often.

They just need to sort out their FF program, and then invest some $$s in brand, marketing and PR. They have all the bones of potential!

Goodbye · Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:55 pm

Obzerva wrote:
IATA codes are a bit of a mess generally.
Cities with multiple airports with an overarching code
Cities with multiple airports without an overarching code
Cities with IATA codes based on the citiy's old name from decades ago (looking at Ho Chi Minh City and St Petersburg)
Cities that update their IATA code instantly when they change the city name (how quick was Nur-Sultan)

Consistency would be nice, but probably not realistic.

Ultimately what does it really matter? Most people who are not avgeeks like us probably wouldn't even be able to name most airport codes that they're flying to, so really it's a bit inconsequential.

smi0006 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:56 pm

D7A330 wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
A mate of mine (who has a video on youtube) flew on the neo from MEL to SYD and loved the seat. Admittedly not a long flight, but he said they were more comfortable than the QF B737s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hngbR2aGLf8

I'll second this - flew OFP from HBA-MEL last month and was impressed with the seats. Surprisingly comfortable and feel much more spacious than the QF 737 I flew on the following day.

Hopefully when QF deliver them they come with all the bells and whistles - cabin branding, full LED, biggest overheads, and personally IFE. But that last one I know is rare opinion

EK413 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:04 pm

QF101 SYD-NAN has been up-gauged to A330 for today.

Flight QF101 from Sydney to Nadi
https://fr24.com/QFA101/2f62ae8a

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jrfspa320 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:20 pm

qf789 wrote:
QF945 BNE-PER diverting to KGI

Looks like they had a quick splash and dash.

EK413 · Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:58 pm

Qantas recruit over 8500 new staff…

Qantas to hire thousands after COVID-19 cuts strain growth

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 5cp2n.html

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tullamarine · Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:05 am

smi0006 wrote:
D7A330 wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
A mate of mine (who has a video on youtube) flew on the neo from MEL to SYD and loved the seat. Admittedly not a long flight, but he said they were more comfortable than the QF B737s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hngbR2aGLf8

I'll second this - flew OFP from HBA-MEL last month and was impressed with the seats. Surprisingly comfortable and feel much more spacious than the QF 737 I flew on the following day.

Hopefully when QF deliver them they come with all the bells and whistles - cabin branding, full LED, biggest overheads, and personally IFE. But that last one I know is rare opinion

Not sure what you mean by cabin branding though you'd think the A321XLRs will adopt a similar colour palette to the A35Ks.

Are the overheads customer supplied equipment or are they all standardised supply from Airbus? If so, they wil be the larger overheads promoted by Airbus. They will definitely have LED lighting as it uses less power and has a longer life than the older lighting.

For domestic at least, I wouldn't expect fixed IFE. Airlines are attracted to both the weight and cost savings of having the combination of WiFi, USB charging and BYOD.

zkncj · Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:00 am

tullamarine wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
D7A330 wrote:

I'll second this - flew OFP from HBA-MEL last month and was impressed with the seats. Surprisingly comfortable and feel much more spacious than the QF 737 I flew on the following day.

Hopefully when QF deliver them they come with all the bells and whistles - cabin branding, full LED, biggest overheads, and personally IFE. But that last one I know is rare opinion

Not sure what you mean by cabin branding though you'd think the A321XLRs will adopt a similar colour palette to the A35Ks.

Are the overheads customer supplied equipment or are they all standardised supply from Airbus? If so, they wil be the larger overheads promoted by Airbus. They will definitely have LED lighting as it uses less power and has a longer life than the older lighting.

For domestic at least, I wouldn't expect fixed IFE. Airlines are attracted to both the weight and cost savings of having the combination of WiFi, USB charging and BYOD.

The overhead bins on the NEO range seem to be a customer option, there are few options out there including aftermarket options.

You can still get NEO’s with the traditional mid 2000s overhead bins delivered, there is a sub model of these type that is slightly larger.

There are the pivoting a350 style bins as a option NZ/HA took this option. They are pain for boarding, as they hang down, often NZ will have them closed on boarding so people don’t hit there heads.

On NZ’s latest deliveries that have swapped to the airspace bins, that JQ has opted for which are massive.

qf789 · Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:02 am

Regarding QF's announcement about acquiring A319's, wondering if EasyJet could be a good option as they are retiring about 40% of their A319's over the next 2-3 years

https://simpleflying.com/easyjet-retire ... 1677771625

a320fan · Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:09 am

qf789 wrote:
Regarding QF's announcement about acquiring A319's, wondering if EasyJet could be a good option as they are retiring about 40% of their A319's over the next 2-3 years

https://simpleflying.com/easyjet-retire ... 1677771625

EZY would be the most plentiful source of used A319s on the market surely, however would QF want to add CFM powered A32xs to the fleet when the rest of the JQ and QF birds are IAE?

tullamarine · Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:26 am

a320fan wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Regarding QF's announcement about acquiring A319's, wondering if EasyJet could be a good option as they are retiring about 40% of their A319's over the next 2-3 years

https://simpleflying.com/easyjet-retire ... 1677771625

EZY would be the most plentiful source of used A319s on the market surely, however would QF want to add CFM powered A32xs to the fleet when the rest of the JQ and QF birds are IAE?

BA is also replacing their A319CEO fleet with A320NEOs. These are all IAE powered.

NZ516 · Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:36 am

Jetstar is voted 3rd most unpopular airline in the world. Interesting that Tap Portugal is second with Go First India taking out the top spot.

https://www.travelweekly.com.au/article ... -reveallin

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