With ATL being the closest DL hub to Latin America, it will obviously be the biggest beneficiary from this. I wonder if the JFK ramp ups will stay permanent given B6.
https://news.delta.com/warm-during-holi ... and-mexico
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Good additions especially JFK. Wonder if we will see some pre-COVID adds like Grenada? I’d love to see Delta back in Barbados too.
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TonyClifton wrote:I’d love to see Delta back in Barbados too.
Do you know when they stopped?
I've always been rather surprised at this one.
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LAX772LR wrote:TonyClifton wrote:I’d love to see Delta back in Barbados too.
Do you know when they stopped?
I've always been rather surprised at this one.
Not a clue, can only assume it was low yielding and the tails were better used elsewhere. Out of JFK, JB seems to have a lock on the far-flung Caribbean markets.
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rjbesikof wrote:With ATL being the closest DL hub to Latin America, it will obviously be the biggest beneficiary from this. I wonder if the JFK ramp ups will stay permanent given B6.
https://news.delta.com/warm-during-holi ... and-mexico
From the linked news release. Can someone explain this:
This growth comes as Delta works toward full restoration of its network after operating at 85% overall capacity in 2022, with a key focus on its U.S. hubs.
1) How is “capacity” measured from a network perspective? What is DL’s capacity?
2) Where is DL pulling the additional capacity from? Were aircraft underutilized? Were aircraft in storage in 2022? Are new aircraft being delivered?
Also from the news release:
Additionally, Delta will reinforce its position as the No. 1 carrier to Latin America from Atlanta and Detroit with added daily frequencies to the following popular destinations.
Was Delta’s advantage to Latin America threatened in ATL and DTW? If so, by whom?
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questions wrote:rjbesikof wrote:With ATL being the closest DL hub to Latin America, it will obviously be the biggest beneficiary from this. I wonder if the JFK ramp ups will stay permanent given B6.
https://news.delta.com/warm-during-holi ... and-mexico
From the linked news release. Can someone explain this:
This growth comes as Delta works toward full restoration of its network after operating at 85% overall capacity in 2022, with a key focus on its U.S. hubs.
1) How is “capacity” measured from a network perspective? What is DL’s capacity?
2) Where is DL pulling the additional capacity from? Were aircraft underutilized? Were aircraft in storage in 2022? Are new aircraft being delivered?
Also from the news release:
Additionally, Delta will reinforce its position as the No. 1 carrier to Latin America from Atlanta and Detroit with added daily frequencies to the following popular destinations.
Was Delta’s advantage to Latin America threatened in ATL and DTW? If so, by whom?
Unless they feel threatened by frontier and spirit adding a couple of weekly flights out of Atlanta.
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I'm surprised DL struggled to make BGI work. That one feels like a sure win.
GND - feels like this market should behave like UVF/ANU/SKB
GND - feels like this market should behave like UVF/ANU/SKB
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LAX772LR wrote:TonyClifton wrote:I’d love to see Delta back in Barbados too.
Do you know when they stopped?
I've always been rather surprised at this one.
Looks like service stopped in August 2017. “Delta served Barbados from December 2005 through 2011, offering flights from its Atlanta hub. Then they resumed service to Barbados ending a three-year absence in the market on December 4, 2014, offering two weekly flights from both Atlanta and New York JFK. The carrier was set to fly one round-trip flight each Thursday and Saturday on 160-seat Boeing 737-800 jets.
When Delta closed services on Saturday, it was only flying to Atlanta out of Barbados.”
https://barbados.loopnews.com/content/d ... ados-again
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GUA used to operate up to 3 daily on board 757s to ATL before COVID. What a bummer to see it stay at 1 daily.
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questions wrote:
1) How is “capacity” measured from a network perspective? What is DL’s capacity?
2) Where is DL pulling the additional capacity from? Were aircraft underutilized? Were aircraft in storage in 2022? Are new aircraft being delivered?
Capacity can be measured as seats or ASMs. DL used both when comparing 2022 and 2023E to 2019 in the Dec 14 2022 Financial Outlook And Strategic Update. See the SEC 8-K filing.
https://ir.delta.com/financials/sec-fil ... 0117114987
Seats will rise from 86% of 2019 to 98%.
ASMs will rise from 85% to 101%.
There are 321neos, A339s, and A223s due for delivery this year, plus the ongoing induction of used 739s. Some 717s are returning to service. The Financial Outlook also speaks to a few tenths of hour increase in fleet utilization.
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What aircraft are they using
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Really, this is much ado about nothing. These are Holiday Season increases from 12/16/23 to 1/7/24. Strange to issue a press release now as well...is anyone planning next December's trips now?
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theVagabond wrote:Really, this is much ado about nothing. These are Holiday Season increases from 12/16/23 to 1/7/24. Strange to issue a press release now as well...is anyone planning next December's trips now?
I’ve already booked a vacation for next February and will book our Christmas trip this week. Long way of saying “yes, people are.”
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theVagabond wrote:Really, this is much ado about nothing. These are Holiday Season increases from 12/16/23 to 1/7/24. Strange to issue a press release now as well...is anyone planning next December's trips now?
Yes, I am always on the lookout for unusually good fares and booked a December-January trip a few weeks ago. It's a good way to save a lot of money for those that can't or won't use ULCCs.
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Damn, so nothing out of Miami? I thought they were trying to build out a presence in MIA?
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MIflyer12 wrote:questions wrote:
1) How is “capacity” measured from a network perspective? What is DL’s capacity?
2) Where is DL pulling the additional capacity from? Were aircraft underutilized? Were aircraft in storage in 2022? Are new aircraft being delivered?
Capacity can be measured as seats or ASMs. DL used both when comparing 2022 and 2023E to 2019 in the Dec 14 2022 Financial Outlook And Strategic Update. See the SEC 8-K filing.
https://ir.delta.com/financials/sec-fil ... 0117114987
Seats will rise from 86% of 2019 to 98%.
ASMs will rise from 85% to 101%.
There are 321neos, A339s, and A223s due for delivery this year, plus the ongoing induction of used 739s. Some 717s are returning to service. The Financial Outlook also speaks to a few tenths of hour increase in fleet utilization.
Yes! DL is adding 88 mainline aircraft to the fleet in 2023. This is a combination of new deliveries, used aircraft acquisitions that are being activated and a few parked aircraft being reactivated.
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theVagabond wrote:Really, this is much ado about nothing. These are Holiday Season increases from 12/16/23 to 1/7/24. Strange to issue a press release now as well...is anyone planning next December's trips now?
Yes, I booked a Dec 2023 trip to LIH just last week. If you reach a final decision about where/when you want to travel, and prices are good, there is no reason not to pull the trigger now.
Otherwise, you will need to expend the mental effort to plan a trip all over again later. You might not have the same energy to plan or the good prices might be gone.
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With the additional deliveries of mainline aircraft DL needs to beef up frequencies out of SEA (MCI, MKE, IND, DFW etc..) to retain gates, and re-build a presence in Chicago, Miami, and Dallas/Fort Worth. These are three large stations from the past that are today huge holes in the network. I initially thought the additional 'holiday' frequencies were for the upcoming Easter weekend and not next Christmas. DL has a bad habit of telegraphing network/schedule changes to competitors too far in advance.
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cv5880 wrote:With the additional deliveries of mainline aircraft DL needs to beef up frequencies out of SEA (MCI, MKE, IND, DFW etc..) to retain gates, and re-build a presence in Chicago, Miami, and Dallas/Fort Worth. These are three large stations from the past that are today huge holes in the network. I initially thought the additional 'holiday' frequencies were for the upcoming Easter weekend and not next Christmas. DL has a bad habit of telegraphing network/schedule changes to competitors too far in advance.
DL has not had a significant presence in Chicago since the 80s and Dallas since 2004. The chances of DL re-building to anything beyond a significant spoke in those cities in the face of established/fortress presence of legacy carriers combined with LCCs are slim to none - and that's fine. DL can't be everything to every major city in the country.
Miami is a bit different. They seem to go back and forth on their plans there. Not sure what the long-term vision is at MIA for DL at this point.
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I thought DL addition of non-hub flying from MIA would have signaled some increased focus on Miami.
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Still waiting for DL to add SLC-SJO.
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Noise wrote:Damn, so nothing out of Miami? I thought they were trying to build out a presence in MIA?
I think in the end they’ll just end up upping capacity on certain MIA routes, adding some frequencies and the odd new flight all to the north and west to help with incoming LA flights and that will be about it.
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luckyone wrote:LAX772LR wrote:TonyClifton wrote:I’d love to see Delta back in Barbados too.
Do you know when they stopped?
I've always been rather surprised at this one.
Looks like service stopped in August 2017. “Delta served Barbados from December 2005 through 2011, offering flights from its Atlanta hub. Then they resumed service to Barbados ending a three-year absence in the market on December 4, 2014, offering two weekly flights from both Atlanta and New York JFK. The carrier was set to fly one round-trip flight each Thursday and Saturday on 160-seat Boeing 737-800 jets.
When Delta closed services on Saturday, it was only flying to Atlanta out of Barbados.”
https://barbados.loopnews.com/content/d ... ados-again
Gateways can be so interestingly weird:
BGI is high-yield enough among Brits to sustain scheduled Concorde service through the end of that aircraft's service life... but too low among USAmericans to sustain service to the airport that otherwise serves any strip of pavement longer than a driveway.
Cray.
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IIRC MSP just recently had a bunch of these destinations either get resumed (CZM) or upgauged to larger aircraft, PVR/SJD/CUN/SJU come to mind. May have accidentally jumped the gun with MSP there 
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STI and SDQ are not beach destinations. SJU is not either depending on the time of the flight.
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MIflyer12 wrote:questions wrote:
1) How is “capacity” measured from a network perspective? What is DL’s capacity?
2) Where is DL pulling the additional capacity from? Were aircraft underutilized? Were aircraft in storage in 2022? Are new aircraft being delivered?
Capacity can be measured as seats or ASMs. DL used both when comparing 2022 and 2023E to 2019 in the Dec 14 2022 Financial Outlook And Strategic Update. See the SEC 8-K filing.
https://ir.delta.com/financials/sec-fil ... 0117114987
Seats will rise from 86% of 2019 to 98%.
ASMs will rise from 85% to 101%.
There are 321neos, A339s, and A223s due for delivery this year, plus the ongoing induction of used 739s. Some 717s are returning to service. The Financial Outlook also speaks to a few tenths of hour increase in fleet utilization.
Thank you for the helpful response and sources.
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RollerRB211 wrote:STI and SDQ are not beach destinations. SJU is not either depending on the time of the flight.
Would you be happy if the OP had called them 'sun' or 'vacation' destinations?
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LAX772LR wrote:luckyone wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Do you know when they stopped?
I've always been rather surprised at this one.
Looks like service stopped in August 2017. “Delta served Barbados from December 2005 through 2011, offering flights from its Atlanta hub. Then they resumed service to Barbados ending a three-year absence in the market on December 4, 2014, offering two weekly flights from both Atlanta and New York JFK. The carrier was set to fly one round-trip flight each Thursday and Saturday on 160-seat Boeing 737-800 jets.
When Delta closed services on Saturday, it was only flying to Atlanta out of Barbados.”
https://barbados.loopnews.com/content/d ... ados-again
Gateways can be so interestingly weird:
BGI is high-yield enough among Brits to sustain scheduled Concorde service through the end of that aircraft's service life... but too low among USAmericans to sustain service to the airport that otherwise serves any strip of pavement longer than a driveway.
Cray.
Equally weird considering the numbers of Brits and Americans visiting are pretty similar.
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LAX772LR wrote:Gateways can be so interestingly weird:
BGI is high-yield enough among Brits to sustain scheduled Concorde service through the end of that aircraft's service life... but too low among USAmericans to sustain service to the airport that otherwise serves any strip of pavement longer than a driveway.
Cray.
The nation is called Little England for a reason, its tourist appeal is more closely aligned with the UK than any other former colony in the region other than the 3 existing colonies.
Due to that alignment, the USA or North American market has not been aggressively courted, not sure the locals want a switch in priorities, but time will tell.
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How about adding frequency to SLC to west coast destinations.
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MIflyer12 wrote:RollerRB211 wrote:STI and SDQ are not beach destinations. SJU is not either depending on the time of the flight.
Would you be happy if the OP had called them 'sun' or 'vacation' destinations?
Semantics, but I believe what RollerRB211 is trying to say is, STI and SDQ are much more of a "VFR" (Visiting Friends and Relatives) market than say, PUJ or POP, which are much more traditional vacation spots.
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Wish DL could get ahold of the max’s a bit quicker as the A220 deliveries are so sluggish.
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