Irish 4/23: Summer is a comin' in ...

iRISH251 · Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:25 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Icelandair will be bringing the Dash 8 to DUB in May.

Reykjavik Keflavik – Dublin 29MAY23
FI416 KEF0720 – 1135DUB DH4
FI417 DUB1215 – 1420KEF DH4

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230406-fidh4

I wonder why, and whether this may become regular.

And also the 767.

The 767 is scheduled to operate Reykjavik Keflavik – Dublin route on 15MAY23, with following schedule.

FI416 KEF0730 – 1105DUB 76W
FI417 DUB1215 – 1400KEF 76W

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230406-fidub

Icelandair vary the equipment used all the time, having used 737 MAX 8, MAX 9, B752, B753 and B763; and the DHC-8s have operated on occasion in the past. They provide quite a variety!

planemanofnz · Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:54 pm

iRISH251 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Icelandair will be bringing the Dash 8 to DUB in May.

Reykjavik Keflavik – Dublin 29MAY23
FI416 KEF0720 – 1135DUB DH4
FI417 DUB1215 – 1420KEF DH4

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230406-fidh4

I wonder why, and whether this may become regular.

And also the 767.

The 767 is scheduled to operate Reykjavik Keflavik – Dublin route on 15MAY23, with following schedule.

FI416 KEF0730 – 1105DUB 76W
FI417 DUB1215 – 1400KEF 76W

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230406-fidub

Icelandair vary the equipment used all the time, having used 737 MAX 8, MAX 9, B752, B753 and B763; and the DHC-8s have operated on occasion in the past. They provide quite a variety!

Not great for consistency and managing expectations - big difference between the Dash 8 and the 767!

Separately - why does FR not fly to KEF? Most of the other EU LCCs do. Seems like a glaring gap for them.

aerlingusa330 · Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:07 am

tibsthefox wrote:
EI-DAA home and dry, got a video of it coming back, and an Emirates go around for good measure

Posted anywhere?

styles9002 · Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:13 am

[quote="planemanofnz"]With a (possible) President Biden visit to Northern Ireland coming up soon to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement, is there any chance we may see an announcement of a recommencement of direct BFS-US flights during the visit (not Fly Atlantic-related)?
/quote]

Zero.

OA260 · Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:15 am

Ryanair applies to High Court to prevent more Dublin Airport charge increases

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland ... 59239.html

FR teaming up with CAR to defend against the DAA's
appeal.

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Jet lessor Avolon records ‘positive momentum’ in Q1 as demand grows

https://www.independent.ie/business/iri ... 21368.html

Avolon added 3 new customers in Q1

Eagleboy · Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:06 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
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Not great for consistency and managing expectations - big difference between the Dash 8 and the 767!
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Vast majority of passengers dont really care what aircraft they are on for a 2-3 hour flight.
DUB-KEF-DUB is a leisure market so price is more important to that passenger profile.

EI710 · Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:06 am

DAA re-entered service on Thursday operating YYZ.

Having a look at the booking engine, ORD (123), SEA and YYZ are all showing as A332 during the Summer so GEY must also be returning.

thesupersaiyann · Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:33 am

Seems like Air Canada are slightly cutting back on capacity to YYZ this summer, utilizing a 788/789 instead of a 77W for the season. I wonder is this due to the competition on the route? However, WestJet have pulled their YYZ-DUB route so it's just AC, EI and Air Transat. Looks like EI will capitalize on those reductions with the upgrade to an A332.

EIEIDW · Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:57 am

thesupersaiyann wrote:
Seems like Air Canada are slightly cutting back on capacity to YYZ this summer, utilizing a 788/789 instead of a 77W for the season. I wonder is this due to the competition on the route? However, WestJet have pulled their YYZ-DUB route so it's just AC, EI and Air Transat. Looks like EI will capitalize on those reductions with the upgrade to an A332.

It’s probably for the best as almost every single AC 777 flight to YYZ last summer was delayed by hours

nickya340 · Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:08 pm

thesupersaiyann wrote:
Seems like Air Canada are slightly cutting back on capacity to YYZ this summer, utilizing a 788/789 instead of a 77W for the season. I wonder is this due to the competition on the route? However, WestJet have pulled their YYZ-DUB route so it's just AC, EI and Air Transat. Looks like EI will capitalize on those reductions with the upgrade to an A332.

I think the 773 was a once off thing, Asia was still largely closed last summer and taking advantage of the pent-up demand after covid to Europe they deployed the 777 on a couple euro routes that would otherwise be A333/789. ACs 773s are 450 seaters so that’s also a lot of capacity with daily flights.

The EI YYZ route was A332 for a few years pre covid and now its back to 332 from A321LR after the 332s were reactivated.

The TS YYZ route was an A310 route pre covid with the odd A330 appearing but now is operated by an A321LR.

As for WS they have pulled all long haul ops from eastern Canada and are consolidating long haul to Calgary, So the DUB-YYC will be increased to X5 weekly

thesupersaiyann · Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:46 pm

nickya340 wrote:
I think the 773 was a once off thing....

Yes it's actually a very high capacity! I was checking the seat map compared to the 787 and was shocked. Really hard to imagine the 77W operating with EI's A330 on the same route, it's just a lot of seats to fill daily. As EIEIDW said, they seemed to have a lot of issues out of T1 last summer. Unless I'm mistaken I remember seeing a photo of the 77W parked at the gates at the back of T1 using air stairs, which is surely inefficient for a 450 seat aircraft?!

I see AC are still doing the alternation with YVR/YUL-DUB which is nice.

JAmie2k9 · Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:46 pm

thesupersaiyann wrote:
nickya340 wrote:
I think the 773 was a once off thing....

Yes it's actually a very high capacity! I was checking the seat map compared to the 787 and was shocked. Really hard to imagine the 77W operating with EI's A330 on the same route, it's just a lot of seats to fill daily. As EIEIDW said, they seemed to have a lot of issues out of T1 last summer. Unless I'm mistaken I remember seeing a photo of the 77W parked at the gates at the back of T1 using air stairs, which is surely inefficient for a 450 seat aircraft?!

I see AC are still doing the alternation with YVR/YUL-DUB which is nice.

AC will be using the 100 gates peak season as usual for YYZ. The issues were more AC/YYZ. Of course staffing at DUB did cause issues but not the core problem here.

thesupersaiyann · Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:56 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
AC will be using the 100 gates peak season as usual for YYZ. The issues were more AC/YYZ. Of course staffing at DUB did cause issues but not the core problem here.

That makes sense, I guess it was just down to delayed departures from YYZ. Thank you.
So does that mean off season they use the 300 gates for YYZ? I think I recall the YUL/YVR flights parking at the 300s during the summer season then.

JAmie2k9 · Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:44 pm

thesupersaiyann wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
AC will be using the 100 gates peak season as usual for YYZ. The issues were more AC/YYZ. Of course staffing at DUB did cause issues but not the core problem here.

That makes sense, I guess it was just down to delayed departures from YYZ. Thank you.
So does that mean off season they use the 300 gates for YYZ? I think I recall the YUL/YVR flights parking at the 300s during the summer season then.

If there is space on 300 gates all AC services use them. The issue is once the full US schedules start mid May and likewise for AC seasonal routes there isn't space for two ACs together at 300 gates with current schedules.

Those future T1 jet bridge gates will be helpful as you move Europen carriers there during the busy long haul services at 300 gates and the future T2 stands will also help reduce demand on 300s.

This year YYZ is out first so could be the YUL/YVR at 100s.

OA260 · Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:34 pm

Emergency at DUB FR flight from LPL on runway seems a nose gear issue . Flights diverting to SNN

OA260 · Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:56 pm

https://www.youtube.com/live/bw4T4XJEqhU?feature=share

Live feed

Gfgdfgv · Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:17 pm

I'm currently at gate 106, lots of last minute gate changes going on but other than that things seem normal, and very busy!

OA260 · Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:31 pm

US Army helicopters have been doing test operations around the border areas this afternoon preparing for Bidens visit on Wednesday.

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The FR landing video is up :

https://youtu.be/3RagfdOy3yc

IrishLessor · Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm

iRISH251 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Icelandair will be bringing the Dash 8 to DUB in May.

Reykjavik Keflavik – Dublin 29MAY23
FI416 KEF0720 – 1135DUB DH4
FI417 DUB1215 – 1420KEF DH4

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230406-fidh4

I wonder why, and whether this may become regular.

And also the 767.

The 767 is scheduled to operate Reykjavik Keflavik – Dublin route on 15MAY23, with following schedule.

FI416 KEF0730 – 1105DUB 76W
FI417 DUB1215 – 1400KEF 76W

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230406-fidub

Icelandair vary the equipment used all the time, having used 737 MAX 8, MAX 9, B752, B753 and B763; and the DHC-8s have operated on occasion in the past. They provide quite a variety!

Memories of Dash 8s doing BHD/KEF. The big challenge was luggage, demand was good but operationally a disaster from the perspective of fitting all the luggage in.. Many pax will be making transatlantic trips with a connection in KEF.!!

tibsthefox · Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:32 am

EI-DAA returned to YYZ yesterday shortly after departure, hopefully nothing serious wrong with it

EIBoston · Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:59 pm

Why is EI leasing a A330-200 from Wamos Air for the EWR flights last 2 days? I thought they had enough metal to cover all the NA routes??

thesupersaiyann · Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:19 pm

EIBoston wrote:
Why is EI leasing a A330-200 from Wamos Air for the EWR flights last 2 days? I thought they had enough metal to cover all the NA routes??

Possibly due to EI-DAA diverting back to YYZ. A direct replacement but no idea why it's doing the EWR sector. Maybe they're unrelated...
Edit: The Wamos arrived for ops before the diversion. No idea.

EIBoston · Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:34 pm

thesupersaiyann wrote:
EIBoston wrote:
Why is EI leasing a A330-200 from Wamos Air for the EWR flights last 2 days? I thought they had enough metal to cover all the NA routes??

Possibly due to EI-DAA diverting back to YYZ. A direct replacement but no idea why it's doing the EWR sector. Maybe they're unrelated...
Edit: The Wamos arrived for ops before the diversion. No idea.

Maybe some of the EI birds are having maintenance done? Thought EWR route was a A321. EI-FNG hasn't flown since April 7th either and MAN started with 2 A330's today also.

OA260 · Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:44 pm

Being reported that some of the EIR frequency increases from BHD may not be going ahead .

https://twitter.com/seanm1997/status/16 ... 8553844736

EI710 · Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:46 pm

I had been looking at FR over the weekend and LRD has been off service since 7th so they are short an LR. Additionally EDY had gone over the UK and as noted FNH has been off service aswell so they just didn’t have enough aircraft.

With EIDY now in use assume EIRH will transfer back over shortly which will help (it needs to anyway with CLE starting in a few weeks).

EI710 · Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:48 pm

OA260 wrote:
Being reported that some of the EIR frequency increases from BHD may not be going ahead .

https://twitter.com/seanm1997/status/16 ... 8553844736

I noticed they had been cancelling flights recently out of BHD. Not sure is it aircraft or crewing…Probably being a bit over ambitious and BHD dosent need another Flybe situation.

AmricanShamrok · Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:47 pm

Biden has arrived at BFS and his last engagement in a few days will be in Mayo so will he depart from NOC? Can that runway handle the modified 747?

thesupersaiyann · Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:01 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
Biden has arrived at BFS and his last engagement in a few days will be in Mayo so will he depart from NOC? Can that runway handle the modified 747?

He'll head home on the 742 from Dublin. The word is he'll fly over to Knock from Dublin on either the 757 or the C40 (not sure if one of them has showed up or not). Then back to Dublin to leave on the 742.

thesupersaiyann · Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:05 pm

EI710 wrote:
I had been looking at FR over the weekend and LRD has been off service since 7th so they are short an LR. Additionally EDY had gone over the UK and as noted FNH has been off service aswell so they just didn’t have enough aircraft.

With EIDY now in use assume EIRH will transfer back over shortly which will help (it needs to anyway with CLE starting in a few weeks).

They really seem to be at max capacity there with no backups, considering a BDL flight had to be cancelled recently due to a shortage. With CLE on the way it'll be real tight! Those XLRs can't come any sooner.

nickya340 · Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:06 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
Biden has arrived at BFS and his last engagement in a few days will be in Mayo so will he depart from NOC? Can that runway handle the modified 747?

2300 meter rwy so should be enough for an approx 7 hr flight to Washington. I think there have been 747 charters before at NOC.

OA260 · Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:22 pm

EI710 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Being reported that some of the EIR frequency increases from BHD may not be going ahead .

https://twitter.com/seanm1997/status/16 ... 8553844736

I noticed they had been cancelling flights recently out of BHD. Not sure is it aircraft or crewing…Probably being a bit over ambitious and BHD dosent need another Flybe situation.

The 3684 today was cancelled due to going tech . Also a few knock on effects. It was cancelled on 7th also. Not sure if it was the same Reg . Hopefully they can get back on track as they don't want to get a reputation for delays and cancellations. If they have to scale back on planned increases to maintain a reliable schedule then so be it.

Clydenairways · Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:47 pm

nickya340 wrote:
AmricanShamrok wrote:
Biden has arrived at BFS and his last engagement in a few days will be in Mayo so will he depart from NOC? Can that runway handle the modified 747?

2300 meter rwy so should be enough for an approx 7 hr flight to Washington. I think there have been 747 charters before at NOC.

Yes there has. air Atlanta. It’s on YouTube too. So that is not the issue. Probably just more practical to use something smaller for a 30min flight.

S0Y · Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:45 am

With the move to JFK T7, it seems EI will use the old BA Concorde room for their lounge

https://www.headforpoints.com/2023/04/1 ... orde-room/

OA260 · Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:47 am

Inbound tourism visits during Q1 still down 16% on pre-pandemic levels

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0 ... -pandemic/

Hopefully there will be an improvement in Q2 arrivals.

ClassicLover · Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:02 am

S0Y wrote:
With the move to JFK T7, it seems EI will use the old BA Concorde room for their lounge

https://www.headforpoints.com/2023/04/1 ... orde-room/

I'm surprised EI are moving to Terminal 7.

Their website says they use the Terminal 5 lounge until 23 April, then the T7 lounge from 27 April - https://www.aerlingus.com/prepare/airport-information/airport-lounges/

Since T7 is supposed to be being demolished, is this just temporary? I also imagine it means the JetBlue partnership must be ending sometime soon too, right?

jrfspa320 · Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:43 am

ClassicLover wrote:
S0Y wrote:
With the move to JFK T7, it seems EI will use the old BA Concorde room for their lounge

https://www.headforpoints.com/2023/04/1 ... orde-room/

I'm surprised EI are moving to Terminal 7.

Their website says they use the Terminal 5 lounge until 23 April, then the T7 lounge from 27 April - https://www.aerlingus.com/prepare/airport-information/airport-lounges/

Since T7 is supposed to be being demolished, is this just temporary? I also imagine it means the JetBlue partnership must be ending sometime soon too, right?

EI seems to have a partnership with UA, AA and B6 all at the same time and its getting messy with such a wide array of lounge rules and terminal locations. Why not have a solid partnership with one rather than these half hearted arrangements with everyone. Join OW (Connect).

ClassicLover · Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:15 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
EI seems to have a partnership with UA, AA and B6 all at the same time and its getting messy with such a wide array of lounge rules and terminal locations. Why not have a solid partnership with one rather than these half hearted arrangements with everyone. Join OW (Connect).

Well, EI have joined the oneworld Transatlantic Joint Venture with BA, AA, IB and AY and are in the process of implementing the tech side of it.

I imagine that is going to result in the UA and B6 partnerships being dropped, and this terminal move might be the first sign of that happening.

Fingers crossed for oneworld Connect! I for one would be very happy to be able earn tier points in BA on EI flights. I'd actually switch a good deal of my flying back to EI that is currently through BA.

planemanofnz · Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:35 am

ClassicLover wrote:
Fingers crossed for oneworld Connect!

Joining Oneworld would be better than Oneworld Connect, with full benefits across the entire alliance and not just the sponsor members. This is because I suspect the sponsors for EI would just be the TATL JV carriers, and so benefits would be restricted to those going/coming from eastwards (QR, QF, CX, etc).

At the end of the day, the only 'Connect' carrier - FJ - is a lot smaller than EI. EI is bigger than many mainline Oneworld members - in 2019, it carried 11.6 million pax, versus RJ's 3 million pax, AT's 7.5 million pax, etc. It seems weird to have a much bigger airline like EI under a much smaller alliance sub-set?

planemanofnz · Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:39 am

ClassicLover wrote:
I imagine that is going to result in the UA and B6 partnerships being dropped ...

And AC? Is Canada part of the JV?

EI's website says: "Aer Lingus codeshare agreement with Air Canada allows our guests access to the Air Canada's domestic network via our Toronto Gateway. In addition, Air Canada offers access to/from Ireland via London Heathrow connecting to Air Canada's Canada-UK services."

https://www.aerlingus.com/book/plan/airline-partners/

YUAND · Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:42 am

The issue here for me would be that EI would have to step up, both in terms of IT and service which it has shown a stubborn resistance to doing. Am I correct in saying that it would have to abandon ASTRAL and upgrade? I think rejoining OW would be great for EI and Irish passengers but I do not anticipate it happening with the current innovation culture (or lack thereof) at EI unless it is somehow forced by IAG.

ClassicLover · Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:59 am

YUAND wrote:
The issue here for me would be that EI would have to step up, both in terms of IT and service which it has shown a stubborn resistance to doing. Am I correct in saying that it would have to abandon ASTRAL and upgrade? I think rejoining OW would be great for EI and Irish passengers but I do not anticipate it happening with the current innovation culture (or lack thereof) at EI unless it is somehow forced by IAG.

I wouldn't expect they would need to abandon their reservations system, they'd just need to spend money on it to make it work with the other airlines systems. I'd be curious of how much is still left from when they were in the alliance, as back then they had integration with all the airlines. Though it has been 16 years since they left, so a lot would have moved on, so perhaps it would be a case of starting again.

Eirules · Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:07 am

While I understand the investment in IT required for EI, ultimately it’s just a tyre kicking exercise. Whether they do or don’t join oneworld, their IT is older than I am (I’m an early 80s child) and MUST be updated sooner rather than later

OA260 · Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:34 am

Just one of the annoying things about the App is not being able to manage or check in on a multi trip booking. There are a list of things but when you look at A3 and SK their Apps are light years ahead even allowing seat changes up to 60 mins before departure , push gate info and even your checked bag receipt.

ClassicLover · Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:49 am

OA260 wrote:
Just one of the annoying things about the App is not being able to manage or check in on a multi trip booking. There are a list of things but when you look at A3 and SK their Apps are light years ahead even allowing seat changes up to 60 mins before departure , push gate info and even your checked bag receipt.

That's the same with AA, you can move your seat around in the app after check-in as much as you want, until not too long before departure. I mean, on Aer Lingus you can't amend your seat online after you've booked, so I mean, even that would be an improvement!

OA260 · Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:52 am

ClassicLover wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Just one of the annoying things about the App is not being able to manage or check in on a multi trip booking. There are a list of things but when you look at A3 and SK their Apps are light years ahead even allowing seat changes up to 60 mins before departure , push gate info and even your checked bag receipt.

That's the same with AA, you can move your seat around in the app after check-in as much as you want, until not too long before departure. I mean, on Aer Lingus you can't amend your seat online after you've booked, so I mean, even that would be an improvement!

Another issue is I did a AVIOS redemption from my Aerclub balance and have seat numbers booked but it now shows I can still only do OLCI the day before. I know its probably the 125 ticket stock issue but that means all Aerclub tickets cant properly manage their bookings.

ClassicLover · Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:58 am

OA260 wrote:
Another issue is I did a AVIOS redemption from my Aerclub balance and have seat numbers booked but it now shows I can still only do OLCI the day before. I know its probably the 125 ticket stock issue but that means all Aerclub tickets cant properly manage their bookings.

It's definitely because the Avios tickets issue on British Airways 125- ticket numbers instead of the Aer Lingus 053- ticket numbers. It also impacts seat selection, as you need to call Aer Lingus to do it. I always thought it strange that it did it this way... I wonder how the Iberia Avios tickets issue. I've never tried booking one, but I'd be curious as to whether they issued on BA or IB stock.

OA260 · Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:08 am

ClassicLover wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Another issue is I did a AVIOS redemption from my Aerclub balance and have seat numbers booked but it now shows I can still only do OLCI the day before. I know its probably the 125 ticket stock issue but that means all Aerclub tickets cant properly manage their bookings.

It's definitely because the Avios tickets issue on British Airways 125- ticket numbers instead of the Aer Lingus 053- ticket numbers. It also impacts seat selection, as you need to call Aer Lingus to do it. I always thought it strange that it did it this way... I wonder how the Iberia Avios tickets issue. I've never tried booking one, but I'd be curious as to whether they issued on BA or IB stock.

IB redemptions definitely issue on 075 . I have done
J redemptions on IB for DUB - MAD and even a BA CE one ACE - LGW and all were IB stock .

kaitak · Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:07 pm

Quick question: I'm off to LHR next week and flying on EI Neos both ways; does EI have charging ports in its seats? I'm guessing no, but I just thought I'd ask!

OA260 · Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:31 pm

kaitak wrote:
Quick question: I'm off to LHR next week and flying on EI Neos both ways; does EI have charging ports in its seats? I'm guessing no, but I just thought I'd ask!

No sadly its only on the 321NEOs on LHR.

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Looks like bad weather had altered the proceedings today . Biden may drive from Dublin Airport to North Louth according to Sky News if conditions for the helicopter transfer are not suitable . Between 4-7pm the weather looks terrible.

news.sky.com

EIBoston · Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:44 pm

More TA woes for EI it seems. FR24 showing EI133 operated by EI-FNG has turned around just short of Greenland. EI-DAA still in Toronto also.

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